Refining Lead from Free Range Scrap - ElementalMaker
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The process of refining old scrap range lead into nice little ingots
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I note your lead is free range but is it organic? ;)
Tis' indeed organic free range lead. Absolutely delicious brain food 😂
its even Vegan! straight from Mother Earth
I'm pretty sure that it's inorganic...
@@WhereWhatHuh Ah but was any artificial fertiliser used?
@@BensWorkshop maybe... you know, potassium based oxygen and some other stuff, you know; or maybe some ah, double-based nitrogen and oxygen and cellulose type fertilizer substance stuff. If you know what I mean.
I love the sound of pouring metal. Gallium and lead sound great when poured, it's like a chunkier water sound. I really need to get a bunch of lead like this someday. Lead weights are always helpful when needed.
So do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is then?
I'm so impressed with your pouring skills Mate. 🇬🇧.
I pull a lot of lead sinkers out of the rivers when I am gold panning, and I have some of my great great grandfather’s colonial soldier casting molds so I am working on the colonial army. Very therapeutic to cast the molds, then paint the soldiers up. Not to mention being a good steward of the local rivers, streams and creeks. Anyhow thanks for the video,👍
Thank you for cleaning our rivers Charles. That's really awesome that you have your great grandpops toy soldier molds.
Freedom seeds needs to be on a T-Shirt ...
I love your ceramic insulation idea. I attempted a hot plate lead smelting set up and it was a total failure.
A Coleman stove and a cast iron pan works great. I make a lot of trot line sinkers with those freedom seeds
8:42
Thank you my imperial friend !
Most lead from bullets these days are alloyed with antimony, but have been alloyed with arsenic in the past. If you dissolve the lead with concentrated acetic acid and hydrogen peroxide, you'll end up with an insoluble white precip. It can either be antimony trioxide or arsenic trioxide. Don't use sulfuric acid or hydrochloric because lead sulfate and lead chloride are white insoluble lead salts.
But insoluble lead salts are the least dangerous
@@cal7103 Yes, but I was describing insoluble antimony & arsenic salts which can be filtered from the soluble lead acetate. The lead can be precipitated with zinc from the solution. Waste solution can be treated with sulfuric acid forming lead sulfate which is the least soluble.
"Freedom seeds" nice one!
“I’m sorry, I only eat free range lead”
Good video.
You can try using a ladle to put the lead if you want. (Chef background)
Very good bro......
............gratitude......
Another ready source of lead is lead weights on car wheels.
That crud that reformed is lead oxide and should have been scraped off. Subscribed.
Just an FYI, women really love it when you raid the kitchen for their cookware.
They love it and respect you even more when they find you used them to melt toxic metals and refine explosives and just put them back afterwards.
Great video thanks man.
Last time I scavanged some lead for a prject was from a truck battery. I harvested about 2.2 kg of clean lead, but there was a lot of waste. Still in Italy I guess there are not other common sources of lead
When lead is melted a dross is always formed I think it is lead oxides(maybe). The old timers when melting bar lead for bullets would put a little tallow in the pot and that separated the dross from the molten lead I have tried it and it seems to work for me but it's not really necessary to do it for good results.
you can test brinell hardness with a arbor press and a scale. Get the proper sized ball bearing, push it into the lead until the scale reads whatever amount brinell testing calls for, measure the dent. Drill press works too. Whatever you got.
Just buy a set off "lead" pencil's and start to make a line in the lead , the pencil nr. who make a line IN the lead is the hardness in brinell off the lead. Easy and cheap test
You put the bullet jackets into a can with the dross. They should be a good alloy of copper - do you melt those and reuse them?
Nah I just separate them from the dross and sell them to the scrap yard
"Great thing about living in the United States of Freedom"..... yeah you got that in before I could get to the comments box.... out here in the rest of the world scrap lead isn't so easy to come by... I used to collect shed wheel balancing weights but god alone knows what they're making them out of these days... it certainly aint lead. :(
I'd love to get some lead into my pot-metal... make it loads softer in the lathe or on the mill.
4:32 nice pot of stew you've got there!
Freedom seeds, they grow everywhere quite well
You wouldn't consider different shoes when pouring molten lead? I'm sure they're great for running in but I dare say they're not going to stop splashes very readily (leadily).
Can you do a video on making leaf balls for the ball mill. Before the video ended I thought to myself ball mill media then you said it as well. I would like see how you make them.
Those look to be a larger caliber than that used in a muzzle loader but I'm sure you can purchase various sizes of molds for rifles and if you dig a bit deeper, even larger sizes
that's very cool, appreciate the metric measurements lol
How the heck do you make balls with it? Is it just a mold?
Yep! Check out my cannon video which shows casting some lead balls. ua-cam.com/video/x7D_4YdJmuc/v-deo.html
you know, i wonder what the process would look like to refine the lead from an unknowm alloy into like 90%~ (or higher) pure lead. because pure lead is wayyy softer than the alloy stuff, especially if theres a bunch of tin and or antimony mixed in (like from wheel weights.)
I was starting to wonder if UA-cam had shut you down. Good to see otherwise.
Where i live (Germany) it's hard to go for me to a shooting range
But car battieres are also good (bit toxic tho)
I've never tried using a car battery but would love to give it a go. How do you deal with the lead contaminated acid waste?
@@ElementalMaker you can do basic chemistry, you can exchange the ions and stuff but i mostly do sloppy way and just torture heat everything and dispose of everything that won't liquify
Lead batteries are somehow easy to dispose, even with crap inside and taped lid, the disposal still takes them
@@TheChemicalWorkshop ah that's very slick! I'll have to give it a try some day
@@ElementalMaker Red Niles air scrubber on his new lab is just fumes pulled through water with vacuum. You know a bubble box? Same set up as a thumper when you distill moonshine. George here is a real nice guy, I think his number is in there too if you have any questions ua-cam.com/video/iQnG2FvGHgI/v-deo.html
Didn't see the link for the black powder cannon as promised.
Think this is the one: ua-cam.com/video/x7D_4YdJmuc/v-deo.html
Good catch thank you for letting me know. I just added it to the description. Had one too many beers yesterday and forgot 😁
I used to steal my lead from work, now that's free lead!
6:40 = Are those molten lead or green tea?
Good eye they do look quite green!
Thanks it was inspiring
...yes....freedom seeds
Blood test?
FREEDOM SEEDS!!!!
A missing link is in the description
Thanks! Added it now
How do u make them gorgeous round lead balls?
subscribed!
Wouldn’t it be good if you had various size Lead molds instead of one small size - I mean Custom made ones ok 👍🏻
"Now I don't know, but I been told
It's hard to run with the weight of gold,
Other hand I have heard it said,
It's just as hard with the weight of lead."
Exposed (unsealed) Kaowool always makes me a touch nervous...be careful, my friend.
Thats a lot quicker than another video i watched. He took side cutters to the full jackets to get the lead out and in case they have moisture they dont blow up.
you need to do that with fully jacketed bullets, like plated pistol bullets. Otherwise you get the molten lead equivalent of microwaved pizza rolls.
Is this safe? It looks like some of the black lead oxide dust on your glove can get aerosolized and breathed in and you're touching lead with your bare hands. What about vapors when the lead is in the molten state, isn't that like being around mercury?
Great. Wtf would one really need lead for?
My wife will kill me if I use her cutting mat like that!!! 😉
Maybe i missed it, but how much range scrap did you start of with?
Its been a long time since I made this video, but I don't think I measured it beforehand.
Can't believe it! 😑
I love the "hand signal" on the heating set up begging you to put your hand on to it... Also pouring that water after you washed that lead with it seems well hazardous to biological stuff, lets just call it a bio-hazard for short.
Yea, that bothered me as well. I'd want home to at least distill off the water to clean it.
Here in NZ we just lost All semi-automatic firearms, Yay ........not!
Paint them gold and sell them on eBay
That's nuts. Pure lead is $1 per pound at my local recylcler. My time and labor is worth way more than that. Also, you don't need to clean the lead first. All impurities will float to the top to be skimmed off.
The whole point is the fun of it. That's probably the same reason you reload (assuming you do so), you can buy high grade commercial ammo way cheaper when you take your time and labor into it.
I wonder why the yanks think that you can't have fun with guns in Europe... you can! There are shooting clubs in every bigger town.
Not AS abundant as in the US and much more regulation, true! But a lot of it is good and reasonable. (Another lot is nonsense, but... eh... let's not get into that)
This, like diet AvE?
9:13 I am in Europe and I can still get some of your american lead :D There is an abandoned US military range with tons of .45 fmj rounds in a hill of sand. The rain washes the sand away and the whole hill is covered in jackets and lead.
You are welcome for the free lead, oh and the freedom. 🖒
@CaveMan
yes thanks a lot :)
My grandfather survived the landing at Normandy, he had some wild stories about fighting the Germans.
@CaveMan I am a HUGE WWII buff. I would LOVE to hear some of your grandfathers stories. My wife's grandfather (who my hotplate came from) was a machinist aboard the USS Natoma Bay ( Pacific Fleet) during WWII and a kamikaze hit his ship.... propeller went right through his bunk. Luckily he was on deck when it happened, but from that day forward he slept on deck for the rest of his deployment. I have one of the 5" shells from the ship that he snuck off. Some seriously HEAVY brass. I wish I could have asked him to share some stories, but he was afflicted with severe Alzheimer's by the time I met him, and he passed shortly after.
@@caveman6345 my grandfather was conscripted by the Germans, Sorry please let me amend that. He was conscripted by the Nazis. That's how he came to American POW camps in GA. In the camp they feed him, clothed him, fixed some teeth and gave him medical treatment. He very pointedly told all of "us children" A country that treats their enemies of the war so good? And you are citizens of this country, how lucky are you? He raised us to love America, my brothers and cousins all signed up for selective services. We all took our turn standing a post, (James my older brother) was a lifer. All my sons except Allen took their turns, Allen was rejected for medical reasons not his fault. I'm a broke down old man now but I still remove my cover and stand when the flag goes up or down. The bill of rights says you have the freedom of speech. You are welcome to express yourself any way you want to here. You can stand in the middle of the street and burn my flag if that's what makes you happy.... But I bet you won't do it more than once where I can see you. On that note I promise no more unsolicited political views from this corner gentlemen.
8:42 Thank you my imperial friend. 😁👍🏼
Wait doesn't Saul Goodman live in Arizona?!?! LOL
Tips:
1. Use a metal cat litter scoop to sift out the bullets.
2. Don't waste too much time sifting. All the dirt and rocks come out easy in the melting pot. By volume your bucket will be mostly dirt but by weight it will easily be mostly lead, and heavier than you can carry.
3. Don't bother washing the boolits. The dirt comes off easy in the melting pot.
4. Don't worry about live rounds in the melting pot. They will cook-off well before they are under the molten lead, and the weight of the unmelted lead will contain the round.
5. Don't worry about wet boolits in the melt pot when starting from a cold pot. All the moisure will cook off long before any lead melts.
6. After skimming the dirt and jackets, stirr the melt with a wooden paint stirrer. Saw dust helps too. The wood starches clean the lead at the chemical level. Wood starch is an actual flux for lead.
Good luck bermining!
I use cheap white votive candles for flux
@@nocturnalscorpion4527 It’s not a flux, it helps with the process but it doesn’t clean the lead like actual flux. I use both
That's definately not RoHS compliant....
tough cookies ! use your common sense !👌📚🧪
You and Cody are two of my favorite UA-camr's. I really love what you guys do. Keep up the good work!
Don't use those condiment cups for ketchup again.
Ah man this seasons them perfectly for ketchup! LOL
@@ElementalMaker Hm, didn't you know - unleaded ketchup is mandatory now.
how else you supposed to get lead in the ol' pencil?
bu the lead makes the ketchup so wonderfully sweet, lead after all is a form of a sugar
it worked for the romans wine
No need to wash the lead. All the jackets and dirt will float to the top. Add carbon to the mix [I just use sawdust] to convert the lead oxide back to the parent metal and let the O atom escape as C02
It just makes it cleaner, no sense having to scrape dirt off the top when you can just wash it before hand, and it takes up volume too, decreaseing your efficiency
@@sirblacksmith2297
You are just asking for trouble washing your lead. Lead is porous and will hold water. It's much more efficient to scrape the dirt off the top of the melt with the jackets.
Looking at the layout of the element in that hotplate, I believe it should be renamed to "The Hand of Freedom"
It shall from this day fourth be called "The Hand of Freedom"!
Nice job! “Freedom seeds” made me LOL.
I used to cast 45 caliper balls for my wrist rocket.
You should send one of the smaller muffins to Cody and have him shoot it with his Xray assay tool. Might be fun to find out what is in the mix.
That would be awesome. I need to try getting in contact with Cody
@@ElementalMaker We will all be looking forward to something like that.
definitely one of the funniest sci youtubers with great content, i hope the channel grows fast!
Protip: Lead is an incredibly dense metal so don't be afraid of starting a smelting process with mixed metals. If it has a lower melting point than lead (almost guaranteed at lead's ~325C melting point) it will most likely collect at the surface to be scooped away as 05:00 shows.
Some comparative densities (in kg/m^3):
Uranium: 18900
Lead: 11340
Steel: 7850
Aluminum: 2712
Carbon (what organic material will turn to once in a lead smelter): 2620
Melting Points (in degrees C):
Lead: 327.5
Aluminum: 660
Uranium: 1132
Iron/Steel: 1538
Sand (silicon dioxide, the most abundant mineral of dirt): 1713
Carbon has a sublimation point of 3642 degrees C as it has no liquid state.
Yeah, one of the few things that you can get in your lead is tiny amounts of tin which don't impair the properties of lead in any meaningful way for any purpose which you'd cast scrap lead for
Just as a "safety tip" you really want to do the processing outside anyway. The fumes aren't good for you, especially in a confined space. Depending on the lube used on the bullets, they can be parafin, beeswax, or a whole host of other products, all of which work well as a flux for cleaning the dirt out of your lead.
If you are casting bullets (projectiles) you really want to know what the mix is. BUT if you aren't doing serious target work, as long as the mix is hard enough you can use the scrap as is. To get the best balls for your little cannon you will want pure lead as that will get you the heaviest projectile in the space provided. OR don't worry about it as you are probably also doing that for fun...
Keep up the good work. and Thank You for posting.
Thanks for the metric😅
I actually got several kilos of lead out of the ground from people who disposed their car batteries in nature... Here in Europe 😅
Isn't discarding and/or using lead like treason or something in Europe? ;p
I love the smell of lead muffins in the morning
When someone told the ElementalMaker to "get the lead out" he did!
this is the cody's lab video with the dry panning: ua-cam.com/video/Lkw5UotuRbA/v-deo.html
Just added it to the description!
What mould did you use to get the balls made?
On these types of videos if for some reason they start getting suggested to random people you will get all the nancy nurses in here talking about how "lead is poisonous" while they themselves know absolutely nothing about lead and have just been oversensitized to it. All I can tell those people is don't be stupid while handling it and you'll be fine. Unless you are a child but even then just wash your hands after handling it and don't rub your eyes or pick your nose. There was a video going around a few years ago where a guy was doing some swaging with recycled lead and the comments were filled with people who were told 'lead is bad mmkay' and their minds just ran wild with how toxic it is.
I use lee ball molds to cast the lead balls. I have a few different molds for different diameters and once they get up to temperature (about 700F) they drop flawless lead balls. Yeah I'm sure I will get tons of LEAD IS TOXIC! comments, but hey it just helps the algorithm LOL
@@ElementalMaker Awesome I will have to check those moulds out. I have like 20 pounds of scrap lead and turning them into balls would probably be more useful than having them in ingots and what not. But yeah those people will help the channel which will be great.
Have you ever heard of the "Atomic Girls"? It was part of a sales pitch for mantle clocks made with radio active components. Real short lived company, like most of their workers... I think 40's or 50's is the right area. Anyway 2 things, The tumbler you made for the Alum powder with some double 00 grit would make a great waterless wash, might even help with the wax. And one of the kids said you need a pour box like mine. A good splash back could really suck. I was gutting an old desk top computer, laid it on it's side and went hummm. Ripped the side panel off and keep it lined with foil (most of the time) 2foot to a side with a 6 inch wall... keeps everything inside and off me, that's good cause I'm a slob. Haha, hey try pouring into the old iron corns, makes pretty cool bars.
@Nigel Cam May have been. Seems like there was a Brooklyn company and another in Jersey as well... maybe not.
ive seen people use tea light candle wax to purefy the lead and get the slag to clump ,just a 1/4 of a tea light at a time it melt flames up the goes out pretty quick but then the slag rises and you get a better end result
Yeah it does help big time to flux the mix with paraffin. I usually use it but skipped it this time for video simplicity
Good video and channel! I like your use of wire-tied Kaowool as an insulation blanket, and I'll be adopting that idea.
I would like to suggest that you try using some cheap rosin soldering flux to help remove the dirt and oxides as a dross. It will make removing the junk much easier.
Free range hand picked freedom muffins
Love it! LOL
Wow that's a lot cleaner than melting bismuth, bismuth would get all crusty if you poured it like that and a lot of it goes to waste unless you have a high enough furnace with carbon.
I would have thought solid lead sinks in molten lead.
Nice little pile :-) old flashing lead has been my go to in New Zealand :-)
you should show processing lead out of old batteries.
You should get a 1/4" gold classifier for separating and washing the lead.
2 people don’t like bang buttons or freedom sticks
LOL
Is there an economical way to remove the tin and antimony? I like to cast round balls for black powder revolvers and need as soft of balls as I can get to cram into the cylinders.
If you pick out the cast boolits, the jacketed ones are pretty much pure lead. That being said I use this alloy in my BP cannon no issues. Its pretty soft
Matthew Wilson
up above mentioned dissolving the lead with concentrated acetic acid and H2o2, which would precipitate the antimony or arsenic out as oxides... Would be a good start. Perhaps he'd be so kind as to chime in here?
Enough to make a little over 440 bullets of 158grain .38 Special........nice
Hi,
Don't be sorry about us, in Europe. The GITS, just nick the lead off of our and each others houses plus churches. for gold they hit the mosques.
Your vids, codys vids and DIY perks plus a blacksmiths chl are mainly the only reason I come to you tube, coz it's changing for the worse. I do Miss the King of Random, the channels no where near the same; But the bird is G O O D.
Another great source for lead is your local auto shop. they have all kinds of used lead wheel weights that they throw away weekly.
This is where I get my lead, but be warned this stuff is FILTHY!! Covered in brake dust and you still need to sort the lead from the Zinc and Steel weights. Def do not want zinc in the mix.
@@jaredrattray how do you tell the zinc from lead?
@@jerryspratt4078 I just give each piece a bite with a pair of side cutters. The lead is so soft the tool leaves deep marks whereas the zinc and steel barely mark at all.
So... helping out the environment by taking the lead that was dug up outa the dirt initially, refined, turned into projectiles and re-planted in the dirt... safely back out of the dirt again? XD
I've done a lot of the same to cast my own freedom seeds. :)
There are hundreds upon hundreds of shooting ranges all over Europe and many let you do free sifting too so......
However getting a gun and ammo is a completely different story.
Do you miss something or do i see it wrong? That's a pot of lead, and you can scrap something from the bottom of a pot of lead? What is that something? Anything heavier than lead i know of worth some money, check it out!
You don’t need to wash range pickup. Just melt and the dross will float, not much more dense then lead, except gold and uranium, but you won’t find that at the local range
Take a fork bend it into almost an l shape and you can get all that fine particulate matter out of there real easy. Take a paper towel or paraffin or sawdust and it will get the rest of the dross out for you.
use tire weights , the weights are marked with the metals in them , pb is lead , zn is zinc , tt is tin , fe is iron etc....
Can you do a video on reloading freedom cartriages?
Do you have a 3d printer?
I would love to but unfortunately youtube doesn't like videos like that. I have quite a few presses.
How can it be chemically purified into PURE lead?
I do the same because its already used in bullets. So I cast bullets from them.
At thought: Melt the jackets into an ingot. Then use the ingot in a copper sulfate electrolysis tank to refine the copper. Low amperage and no rush makes strong and basically pure crystals while impurities are left at the bottom. The crystals sell as art or can be poured again as pure ingots.
Why this hasn't gotten a like or comment for 3 years baffles me!
Now make a battery
Aren't there copper free range lumps on ranges too ?
What about using wheel weights most tire shops will give them to you