The mob mentality is the key piece. During the Great Depression, migrants from the dust bowl were demonized in California. That’s always the way it is when large groups move into a new place. Even if they’re fellow Americans. The anti-outsider bias is strong in human psychology.
You don't just let anybody in your house. It's common sense. You see how bad California is doing and all of their people start coming to your state, you better be weary of that or you don't have a pulse.
@@timwilson7326people are by and large good at heart and generally the same as anyone else. Just because the state government is failing to address major issues, doesn’t mean you should fearmonger about the general population. As an east coaster, I find it hilarious that Texans and Californians see themselves as sooo different lol. A rural Texan likely has a great deal more in common with a rural Californian than an urban Texan, and vice versa.
So, when I lived in Taos, NM the locals did complain about both Californians and Texans. The biggest complaint about the Californians wasn't changing politics, per se. Taos is a liberal hippie area. However, northern New Mexico has a bit of an anarchist culture, and the complaint was the Californians passing a bunch of zoning laws, and anti smoking laws, and banning plastic bags, and things like that.
my dad grew up in eagle nest and his dad was born in los angeles in the 1940s. whenever my dad was a kid in the car with my grandpa on the way to taos my grandpa would always complain about “californians tarnishing the culture in new mexico and texans tarnishing the roads” lol
They are the worst. They LOVE overregulation. I moved there for a bit, and it was so alien to see a regulatory sign on everything attempting to structure some mundane aspect of human behavior.
One more reason why it’s great to be from Rhode Island. No matter how many other places I move to, literally nobody will ever say “OMG, you people are ruining it here” 😂
I think a key point not mentioned here is that people move states all the time and between all the different states. But California has such a large population that it becomes over-represented. If 0.001% (one thousandth of one percent) of Californians move to your town, that's 400 people, a whole subdivision. But if 0.001% of Wyomingites move then that's only 6 people, barely 2 households. So your town might proportionally be being overrun by the populations of smaller states, but California is just so populated that minor shifts in its populace drowns out movements of other states. As an example, let's look at Idaho, who tends to have some of the most vocal anti-Californians. In 2019, 17,772 people moved from California to Idaho, or 0.04% of the California population. The next highest state was Washington with 13,505 people. However, that was 0.18% of Washington's population, or 4.5x that of California. Likewise, 3,026 people moved from Montana for 0.28% of that state's population, or 7x that of California. So while California did send the most total people to Idaho, it was a much smaller proportion than from other states.
@@joeyenniss9099 That's nearly a 20% difference...the key here is "million", as in seven million; many mistake the difference between the integers 39 & 32 at 7, and outright discount the "million" qualifier that follows, simply because the format includes alphabetic characters.
I like your point, but I honestly don't think folks think of groups of people in terms of percentages, but rather in whole numbers. And if they did, it wouldn't be as a percentage of they state they left, but as a percentage increase in the state they are moving to. So your numbers would indicate that Idahos population increased by 1% Californians, 0.75% Washingtonian, etc. They really don't care how big a state they came from, only the impact on their state.
Native Texan here... I haven't seen all of California but I have seen quite a bit of it, and I don't mean just L.A. and San Francisco. People who have never been there assume that it's all surfers and hippies, but California is full of regular working class people, farming people, ranch people... JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE. I love California. I love my home state of Texas. Folks, you need to travel more and see more of America, then you'll realize how much we are really quite a lot alike. I have seen almost every state west of the river, and I'll begin my east travels soon. Get out and go see it.
Thanks for seeing, in my opinion, the real California. As someone who lives in central CA, it's a bit infuriating when LA and SF make up the image that immediately pops into people's minds. Most of the central valley is just hardworking Americans like all across America.
True Native Califonian Here I keep hearing the biggest NorCal stereotypes since that Venture Capitalists from San Jose and San Francisco have been hyping up the Austin Area like "its a Utopia". Only problem here is that regular working class people can't afford to leave the state and do what these leaders hyping up Austin are doing. Regular Working Class People live in places like Tracy, Vallejo, Fairfield, Suisun City, Vacaville and have to commute to their jobs in Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose.
Totally agree with what you've said! I always tell people that if you really want to "see" California that you have to get off the freeways and go into the communities. I've lived in five states and the most rural was California.
@@michelepayne3546 Which rural parts of California you been to? is it I-5 Halfway between Sacramento to Los Angeles in the San Joaquin Valley area or Northern Sacramento Valley or the Sacramento Delta area.
I think a large part of it is a feeling of other places in the US being left out. There’s an essentialist idea of the US as being “New York and California” (with of course New York only referring to New York City, and California only referring to Los Angeles County and San Francisco). A lot of the media and tech of the US is dominated by these places, and thus everyone else feels some resentment towards them as “the big, powerful, arrogant places”, even if it’s wholly unfair to lump everyone there into those categories. For California, this is compounded by both anti-“liberal” bias cultivated by social and formal media, and a general sense of resentment towards “Hollywood” and all the associated supposed cultural ills of that (shallow relationships, ostentatious wealth, dishonesty, cults, celebrity worship, etc). If this wasn’t enough, I think the sheer geographic separation of California from most of the country allows people’s imaginations to run wild about what California is actually like. Whereas negative perceptions by people in the eastern US of Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, DC, etc can be more easily dispelled without too long of a trip, California is often days away by car or train, and many hours away by plane, from most of the population of the US. Therefore, wild fantasies about “streets covered in effluvia and needles as high as fire hydrants” in San Francisco, and “vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting” as the hills around them are always on fire can go unchecked. For all the mystique, aura, and intrigue that California’s remoteness, size, and distinctiveness has cultivated since the mid 19th century in the American mind, that level of fantastical thinking has also instilled passionate, irrational hatred. Maybe if more people put down their phones and hopped on a train, bus, plane, or car to California, there would be less oddly passionate hatred of the people and the place? Also, final thought: it’s not fair to judge a place by its expats. People leaving California are likely different from Californians themselves, as people who move tend to be different, whether that be because they’re richer, more restless, less rooted, better at making enemies and leaving town (lol), or just more open-minded. A lifelong working class Fresno resident is probably gonna be more “normal” to an average Tennessean than a millionaire from Bel Aire is, but unfortunately both are lumped into the enormous umbrella term of “Californian.”
@thefareplayer2254 You make some good points, but I'm definitely stealing ”vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting.” 😂
@impulse_xsif you like room temperature weather around the coast year around, you might like it. You might like Mississippi as long as you’re an average Anglo white that likes rich and fatty food. You might like Utah as long as you enjoy people with no personality and skiing.
As a Californian that moved to a small town in Georgia the main reason people were turned off when I told them I’m from California is because they assumed I was liberal. I don’t think they felt like I was changing the politics of the town. I think it was the fact of running into a lot of conservatives that dislike liberals. I also lived in Atlanta and there I felt like if someone didn’t like Californians it was because of higher populations, more traffic and higher home costs. People finding someone to blame for their cities problems.
I’ve learned it doesn’t matter whether theyre liberal or conservative. They’re just stuck up jerks that generate traffic jams, love overregulation and turn home owners into renters. If they loved CA dysfunction so much, I wish they’d return home and spare the rest of us.
I first encountered this last summer playing golf in Colorado with a Coloradan friend. We met a couple from Albuquerque while having a beer after the round, and they were very friendly until I said I'm from LA. They scoffingly said "I've heard of that place" and then didn't say half a word to me after that, but remained friendly to my buddy. It was really surprising! I think it's symptomatic of the crazy political polarization in this country and a real distain that many conservative Americans have for liberals...and they associate California with liberalism. But when you consider that there are more registered republicans in CA than any state except for Texas, it shows just how misguided that sentiment really is.
I believe you for sure because I noticed this as well. My mom and her sister like to travel a lot around the country. Both are from LA, but my mom moved out decades ago to another city along the central coast. So now my mom says she is from the central coast because she always gets a warmer reception. There were times she said she was from LA and people were always like “oh…” and didn’t really care to ask more, and their behavior completely changed, like their cheeriness and friendliness deflated…, so she no longer says she is from LA. Her sister frequently complains about the lackluster reception she gets everywhere when she tells people she is from LA. And it’s just a fact, she’s not saying “I’m from LA, so I’m better than you!” I noticed this on a trip we all made to Florida in May to see my grandmother. They asked where we were from and we said California, and they actually perked up (possibly because we were just tourists, not cockroaches infesting their state lol). They asked where each of us is from in California, and their reception towards us saying we are from the central coast was far nicer than when my aunt said LA (even though they had NO IDEA what the central coast even is). My grandmother and another one of my aunt’s are also from LA and had moved there to Florida permanently, but they always get a happy reception from Floridians because they immediately like to trash LA and their home state California and tell them Florida is way better.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fluffing up their ego’s seems to help matters when you’re from Cali, especially from LA, but it’s like you have to disown where you’re from for anyone else in America to accept you it seems.
Colours (spelt the correct way) nailed to the mast first of all. I’m a Brit and skied in California in 2003, then liked it so much went back and got married on the shores of Lake Tahoe in 2006. Then to the East coast for my wife’s milestone birthday and finally this summer on a Harley from LA to Chicago via Route 66 the wrong way. So…. I have been welcomed with open arms everywhere in your land. Yours is a fantastic country full stop. Everywhere has leapt out at me from a movie set or a tv screen and having ridden and driven probably 10,000 miles in my time I have never encountered road rage, nor a harsh word in my dealings with an unfailingly polite population. Do I have a “bubble” of “Britishness” that stops me from being taken as a Californian? I have no idea. But as many of the positive comments say it’s a tribal mentality and when you get to a personal level “people are nice”. It’s really hard to be a complete shit all the time. But politicians both side of the pond manage it as easily as falling off a horse. So be nice to your neighbours and think like I do. Think that “It’s a Wonderful Life” with my all time favourite actor Jimmy Stewart emblazons all the good things about people across our TV screens. Favourite Places in your world: Heavenly skiing looking down and across into the deserts of Nevada Arizona’s back roads of nothingness, just sheer empty beauty Williams, Arizona. I really should have rolled up on a horse but the Harley was the perfect substitute Lassen National Park Arriving in New York under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge Finally, The Smithsonian in Washington And I’ve got a lot more to see - like that great governor…. “I’ll be back”
Hi Kyle. Californian here, born and raised and live here now in retirement. But I've lived in Michigan as a teenager (4 years), then in the last 12 years I've lived in New Hampshire (1 year) and Virginia (3 years). When we lived south of Detroit Michigan, I was a kid ( in the late 70's) and was seen as an exotic. People really thought California was all beaches and movie stars. So mostly I just dealt with the misconceptions. I'm grateful for that time because it was sooooo different than the suburbs of the east bay where I grew up (and still live). When I lived in NH, I did say I was from California. As you said, people weren't really friendly when I said that, but I got the impression that folks in New England were just rather provincial folks. I definitely got the feeling that I should never be accepted there. My husband did where his giants and 49ers hats out and about, but we found that as long as you weren't a Yankees fan, it was okay. 2015-2018 we lived in virginia, but because we lived in the DMV (NoVa) where many many folks came from all over to work in DC, it was grudgingly accepted. We were pretty far outside the beltway, however, so did learn to not wear our Californian identity too openly. We heard California disparaged a lot, mostly for the politics. I had to learn to zip it when around folks I didn't know. We always moved for work reasons, and did indeed come back to California between every gig. I will say that as someone who not only has lived out of state, but has traveled extensively through the country, we have found that the smiles and welcomes we got as Californians 40 years ago have been replaced with grunts and attitude in the last 10 years. I've even had people say to my face, well as long as you're spending money and not moving here, it's okay (Arizona, Montana, Oregon). It really feels like it's a culture war thing to me.
You are so right! The rural areas do not like outsiders! That was my experience in rural KY and rural PA and in Northern CA. All 3 of those states were not like that while living in the city. @tommygogetter5992
@@jasonarthurs3885 I agree. As I said, I lived south OF Detroit. Taylor, to be specific. Funny, I grew up next door to one of the original members of Journey.
Hey Kyle, California is the only state that has proposition 13 ! My sisters ranch in Texas property taxes were raised 1000%. No other state can compete with our infrastructure, and I won’t even get into our weather!
First of all, I love your content. Keep up the good work! As a small town Utah native, one of the consistent Californian complaints is that we’re getting overcrowded. Many of the small towns are getting bigger so quickly that it can be hard to keep up with infrastructure particularly I-15, since there aren’t viable road alternatives. Water is always a concern. And the housing prices went up in large part to market scarcity. At one point there were only 80 houses on the market in UT county when there should have been somewhere around 300. I hear a lot of the arguments that your brought up here, which I think you effectively debunked. People do whine about the character/politics and so on of Californians, but I think the bigger issue is the volume of people which are largely (but not entirely) from California.
I grew up in, and lived in, Idaho most of my life. For a while we lived on a small farm and raised animals. Our neighbor, who moved from California, disliked that we raised and butchered our own animals and regularly called the police on us for it. She moved to the countryside in farmland and then apparently was just in shock and disgust that people actually had active, functioning farms. She constantly complained about us and our shared neighbor because the animals would smell bad when she'd go get her mail, among other things. She complained about how horrible it was that she had to look at our barn and see the animals in the yard. She was an exception, not a rule, but people like her are absolutely where the stereotype comes from. Even then, she was just insufferable as a person, probably had nothing to do with her being from California.
Weird considering the Mexicans next door would regularly butcher their goats and no one gave a shit. But then again I live in rural northern California
Never in a million years or in my 40+ years of living would I have thought it would be such a big deal or such a high level of complexity in finding a place to live, work and play in this country! I've concluded that this whole ship has a leak somewhere and no one is able and/or wants to repair it!
Have you looked in to the mountains east of Sacramento? Incredibly awesome place to live, beautiful scenery everywhere you go, big pieces of land, easy drive to work in to Folsom or Sacramento. Very low crime and still affordable part of California. My #1 favorite part of the state. Have a look at Placerville, Jackson, Auburn, Nevada City, Grass Valley and so many other areas east of Sacramento, such cool places to live.
@@drscopeify Interesting that you say this, I've been on many roadtrips around the country and have concluded that this is where I'd eventually like to live, due to its proximity to many natural wonders.
That is somewhat true except for the weather there in July and August when it can be 115 degrees or when the Tule fog rolls in during the winter. @@drscopeify
To the “California is better than here” trope: I definitely experienced this in medical school in Ohio. There were about 20-30 people in my class from California who couldn’t get into UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, or Stanford so they left California for medical school. All of them complained about the Midwest, the vast majority socialized only with other west coasters, and they all talked about California all the time. The food, weather, and entertainment was just sub par for so many of them and they were very vocal about it. The vast majority went back to California for residency (and reminded everyone how they needed to get back). So, I understand that stereotype. I watched dozens of miserable Californians toil away in the Midwest for 4 years, complaining every second, and they couldn’t get out fast enough.
Exactly. No place like home. Born/raised in Cali, other states can be cool too but no place is like home (especially when that’s California). Been to many states but none have the variety that Cali does. Live in NYC now (for residency) and cant wait to get back to CA. The weather in NY stinks. I like being outside and the weather here discourages that kind of mindset. I dont mean to judge but just miss my home. I do talk about Cali alot tho and when people ask about it I definitely highlight the pros of living there (but now I also mention cons so people dont think I’m bragging or whatever). There’s a reason 40,000,000 live there, there is a reason houses cost what they do. Once you live there I dont see how you can live anywhere else (assuming you have friends/family there). It just has something for every type of person. Literally.
@@carstarsarstenstesenn Medical students in the US have already graduated college, and many don't go directly from college. The people I'm talking about were basically aged 23-35, probably average age of like 25
Born in WI, moved to SF for 5 years and loved it. People were extremely welcoming. Then I moved back to WI and I miss CA so much. I think I speak more highly of CA than native Californians in my area. Nevertheless, I think it's very politically driven. Everyone here in WI blames Madison/Milwaukee for everything bad happening and the Midwest in general hates Chicago and Illinois. I used to be like that but after moving to San Francisco and seeing how welcoming they were, i changed my tone on people moving. We're all Americans and it should be up to the individual where they want to live.
Moved to San Diego from Milwaukee! I couldn’t be happier, you couldn’t pay me to move back. Everyone from home always bring up how I shouldn’t turn into a California liberal, whatever that means
Like the saying goes, “Hater’s gunna hate”. If they don’t hate Californians, then they hate Mexicans, or probably both. Let’s not forget they hate Jews and blacks too. They must be exhausted from hating so many things…
Been in Wisconsin for the last 6 years. There’s some really nice things but honestly Wisconsinites seem more proud than Californians to me, and for barely any good reasons. Once again, it’s nice here but it’s not all that, especially if you’re not white.
I wish I could "Like" this twice. Thank you, Kyle. It had to be asked. I have lived in the Pacific Northwest all my life and consider California one of our group of five Pacific coast states. Sure, California was better blessed in terms of climate and geography, but we shared our culture, history and diversity. There was always a little envy, though and I think that recent politics weaponized that jealousy.
Hi Kyle. When I moved from CA, I heard three distinct dislikes expressed. 1) Too many people are moving here! 2) Everyone is coming with cash and driving up their housing prices, and 3) You are probably a liberal voter. For the record, my new home was more expensive than what I left. I also countered that those 40 million Californian's weren't all birthed by native Californian's. And, that influx of people you mentioned, "we" weren't happy with the increase in our home prices in California either. At first I hid my CA connection. Not anymore, because I have a right to move wherever I want in this country 🙂 And, yes, California was never, that I saw, hostile to newcomers.
That is one of the biggest things that I miss about southern Ca. They are NOT hostile to newcomers. People from the cities are not. Rural areas don't do well with newcomers. Like you said, you have a right to live anywhere in this country.
I travel to Florida for work from California. One time I went to a supermarket to buy smokes and they always say “oh California” immediately they ask “do you hate it here?” I say “no why would I?” Almost as if he was expecting me to say “yes”. The cashier was like “well I do” I just shrugged and shook my head. Everyone needs to chill out. Everyone has to find a scape goat
Retired now. Grew up in Oklahoma and deeply loved the natural world that once flourished there, but I asked questions and did not conform, and that was poorly tolerated. I spent most of my adult life in coastal California and Sacramento, then in Oregon, with two additional intervals in Oklahoma. Both times back in Oklahoma, I literally had to leave the state to save my life. I hope I never go back. It's a culture of belief, not of questioning, not of thought. If you're there, they assume you believe as they do. Uh-oh! Decades ago, E. K. Gaylord, then the owner of what is now the state newspaper, stated his intention to turn Oklahoma into a bastion of Republicanism. He twisted and omitted facts to achieve his goal. I grew up in an Oklahoma increasingly cut off from the reality of the rest of the world. Moving to California, I loved that they were free to laugh at what, in Oklahoma, only induced fear and anger. Californians were open-minded and curious, a breath of fresh air. And, when I returned to Oklahoma, I met Californians seeking work who had to make false résumés to even get job interviews in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma employers wouldn't interview them if they submitted a résumé indicating they'd worked in California, no matter how qualified they were. And, back in California, the natives were always shocked to learn I was from Oklahoma - because I didn't fit the "Okie" stereotype. Unfortunately, there are still plenty of Oklahomans who do fit the stereotype, and the state is frequently in the national news because they're so shocking. Their current governor, Kevin Stitt, a lover of the death penalty, is on record that he hopes to make Oklahoma a home for conservatives, and that anyone liberal should go elsewhere. Meanwhile, Oklahoma races to the bottom in measures of human development. Repeatedly, when telling me someone was "liberal," the Oklahomans would lower their voices to a quick whisper, as if "liberal" were an obscenity. Their minds were closed to anything they believed was different. Hostility towards Californians is probably coming from closed minds.
i get that some states feel like a different country when you enter but, so many Americans act like youre some strange foreigner when you leave a region and go to another. ESPECIALLY, with Californians, as long as theyy dont talk like a Kardashian , then i dont care.
If anything, people think being from California is exotic, living on the beach and knowing movie stars. A lot of my conversations are about telling people the rest of the state is more than Hollywood, Disney, and the beach. And I see it as a great privilege to talk about the homeland and all of its quirky parts! People are certainly curious and eager to learn more.
Yeah the reaction I get when I tell people I moved to California is "oh you must be rich now, live in Beverly hills, hang out on the beach all day" while in reality I live in a podunk desert town. So there is a distortion of what California is that I think mostly comes from movies.
@@josephdutton36 I think a lot of people don't realize how big California is. From San Diego to the Oregon border is something like a 15 hour drive. We don't all live on the beach or in Hollywood. We have deserts, mountains, valleys, farmland. A little bit of everything. It was a great state until the last 15 years or so.
I’m 57 years old I was born and raised in Southern California we Californians never complained about all the people from other states moving in.We always welcome them.
I'm from the East Coast and live in CA, my only complaint about CA cities (namely SF and LA, but to a certain degree SD) is really the infrastructure Nobody can deny the cultural and food heritage of any of these cities, and are probably the most diverse in the country if not the world - all of these cities cater to a bunch of different personalities and ethnicities, and the homeless problem is not a uniquely Californian problem, it's a "large center of population" problem and exists in many places (you can argue that Europe does it better, in which case it's just an American problem, so don't put the burden on just CA) But basically my main gripe with these cities is that you are damned to get anywhere if you don't have a car, but even if you do you're still punished because everyone else has a car I'm not saying that public transportation would dramatically improve these cities, but these are the expectations and standards I believe these international cities should be at
My whole family is from CA from before it was a state. There is NO way in hell the cultural and food heritage of CA compares in any way to the east coast. The east coast has way more cultural heritage and food diversity than CA.
Yea, Southern California and basically much of the US needs better public transit, biking, and walking friendly options within at least the largest 50 cities. These means have been know to be better for the environment (less emissions, noise), safer for the people (fewer accidents), and keeps the commuter more active and healthy throughout the day (as opposed to sitting in a car). (And that’s coming from me, who loves driving, because sitting in traffic every day is not enjoyable. By reducing driving, I actually enjoy when I need to drive.)
In San Francisco proper it's quite easy to live without a car and a ton of people do. MUNI and BART in the City are very effective and have decent ridership. The layout of the rest of the cities in California is due to "Influence" from auto and gas industries to spread everything out and design cities for "automobility". But cities are slowly pushing back on it all and I think the future's looking pretty bright on that front.
California is such a vast and diverse state, I don't think that there is a such thing as a stereotypical "Californian". I'm from rural Illinois and was stationed at Vandenberg AFB for four years. When traveling to southern California, I found that there was generally a very snobbish attitude towards outsiders. But when traveling to the central valley, I found the people to be generally very friendly and with the flat land and farms, I felt right at home.
Uh oh, don't bring that up! I moved from Texas to Cali about 12 years ago and encountered almost unanimous hatred of Texas from Californians, but we wouldn't want to challenge the narrative that all hatred goes in one political direction, would we?
Being from Southern California I can confirm your comment as correct... with a few notable exceptions people from Central Valley California are generally friendly also hardworking
Current Utahn who used to live in Boise. With the cost of living skyrocketing, particularly home prices, it’s easy to make a lazy generalization about Californians moving out here and boosting rent for everyone. Times are hard, and as a 30-year-old trying to save up for a down payment, it’s scary looking at prices and wondering if you’ll ever actually get there. So people read an article about how Californians make up the largest portion of people moving here and it’s easy to blame them.
I’m 65, from the Seattle area, so I’m from one of the original “Californians Go Home” places in the country. In hindsight, I think it’s more about the world’s population increase than anything else. I used to hate on Californians with the best of them, but really, it’s the perception that people from “out-of-state” made “our friendly little town” into something too big and unwieldy. For Washington in the 70s and 80s, that was Californians. I don’t think I ever worked anywhere in 35 years where there were more than 50% Washington-born employees. People move around, but in general, it’s population growth. There’s about 150 million more people in this country than there were 60 years ago, and they have to live somewhere. Somebody in the comments before me talked about the percentage of the population of California moving around being a lot more than the percentage of people moving from Wyoming, and I’m all in on that. Sometimes simple math gives big insights into complex questions.
I was raised in San Diego and now live in the Seattle area. I moved up for work. My job involves traveling to other states regularly, and when I'm in places like Montana, Alaska and funnily enough, even Los Angeles and people ask me where I came from, I say Seattle. The response is often "oh, I'm sorry." I guess it's all in the perspective.
I’m getting the same thing lately. (We moved to Kansas 5 years ago.) I always had jobs where I often talked to people in other parts of the country. 40 years ago it was “do you have indoor plumbing and aren’t you worried about Indian attacks?” 🙄 20 years ago it was “it’s so beautiful, I visited/my cousin visited/my friend moved up there.” But in the past three or four years it’s been “I’m sorry, bet you’re glad to get out of there.” In my experience, it’s the result of too many people in a too-small area. Geographically, there’s no room to expand, and it’s gotten crazy. None of that is why we moved, btw. We’d been living near Mt Vernon, which is far enough out that Seattle is too far to go anyway. Like everybody else, I always just say Seattle because it’s the only city people know.
@@auntietara Yeah, I don't actually live in Seattle. I am in Gig Harbor. I say Seattle to avoid the inevitable conversation of where is that? I know where Mt. Vernon is as my daughter lives in Blaine, so I pass through when I visit her. IMO, I feel most of the hatred towards both Seattle and California (and I'll preface by saying most of the hatred towards California is directed towards Los Angeles and San Francisco) is due to the politics. When I think of any of those places, what pops into my mind is rampant homelessness, rioting and the government turning a blind eye. None of them are the quiet towns they once were, and Hollywood didn't help. But hey, if you're homeless, what better place to be in America than the West Coast, with Its temperate climate?
😂 I’m actually surprised at how much I like Kansas. We live just SW of Kansas City, just outside Overland Park. Everything we need is within a 5-mile radius. It’s lovely!
Born and raised in SoCal. I've lived in Illinois, Tennessee, and now Indiana. I'm very proud of where I am from - just the same way Texans, Hoosiers, and Southerners are proud of where they are from. I still wear all my Dodgers hats, I whip out rainbow sandals in the summer, and will tell people I'm from California. I'm not ashamed of my roots or my culture - cause that's what has helped make me into the person I am. I don't go around telling people that California is better. Honestly Cali has a lot of issues - the same way every other place I've lived in has issues. Every place has something unique to share - we just have to be open to experiencing it with open arms.
Just because other places have issues too doesn't mean they are not better. California has MORE issues than other states. While it has some good features, to most people there are better places to live, that's why it is losing population and people are leaving to better states. I am from SoCal too. You shouldn't be proud or ashamed of where you are from, because it doesn't matter. Be proud of what you've done, not what you've been given. There are definitely parts of my personality that are pretty Californian, and I wouldn't hide where I'm from either, but it doesn't really matter. What matters most is where you're heading. Are you proud to live where you do NOW, and why? The reason a lot of people hate Californians is because they are often prideful, even after moving to other states. If you're going to live somewhere new, you should be more proud of where you are now than before. If you don't prefer that new location, why did you move? It makes no sense to be prideful of where you are from if it isn't where you want even want to live. I'm proud to be American, because I think the U.S. is a great place to live. I'm not proud or ashamed to be from California, because it is not a great place to live. I'm proud to now live in Tennessee, because I think it is a great place to live. Makes no sense to bring pride from somewhere you don't live anymore. Key reason why people don't like Californians moving to their state.
I see lots of California elitists online trashing people from other states calling them hillbillies or backwards. I also see them talking bad about places that are in the interior of the country as being boring. They often use the phrase “I’d rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona” or fill in the blank with another state. I say this as a person born and living in California now.
As a Californian, I also notice this tendency and really dislike it. It really turns me off, and it’s made me understand why people don’t like us as a whole. One of the reasons I’d like to leave California IS because of this snobbery… Californians (who are not eager to move) do think they are better and that their state is superior, and they are not sorry. There’s no humility. Granted, not all Californians are the same, and the rest of the country doesn’t understand that there’s SO MANY Californians that are NOT the typical liberal elitist, and that it’s mostly not those types of Californians that are moving. I’ll pay the price of being a disliked Californian in exchange for leaving these Californians they complain about!! Thankfully for me, I am not from SoCal, nor from the bay area, so maybe if people are open-minded enough, they can learn that not all Californians are what they think.
You make a great point and I know exactly what you are talking about. I have lived in the Los Angeles area my entire life, 57 years. I have a friend here and she truly believes that virtually everybody in some other part of the country is some redneck or hillbilly out the film Deliverance. In addition, she is not the only person here in California that has a thought process similar to this. I have come to hate California and would love to get out. Yet, leaving would mean my wife leaving her family. I used to be a Dodgers, Lakers and Rams fan. Yet, now I have even begun to hate these sports teams because they represent this place. I could say more on the subject but I will keep it short.
I live in SoCal, and the majority of people I come into contact with are far from elitist. We are just hard-working folks making a living and trying to have a good life. I don’t imagine it might be any different in Iowa, Alabama or Vermont. People everywhere have similar needs, and where we live shouldn’t matter. A place to lay your head, family and friends, a good job, etc…that’s the good life to me!
Same here but I live in Solano County, CA the outer suburban areas of Sacramento and San Francisco. I notice some of the snobbery is also directed at Sacramento. I notice other parts of California like to scapegoat the Sacramento area when it comes to how water rights are handled. Also Sacramento gets scapegoated because some of these snobs like Tim Draper and his allies because they didn't get their way when it came to splitting the state apart all to hype up a utopia.
@@danielcarroll3358it’s the tax on gas, all states collect approximately the same tax revenue, they just do it in different ways. My property taxes are 1100 a year
@@bilwillard9810 As someone who has worked in Germany I have to smile. Not that I have had to worry about gas tax. I have worked in four countries and five states and never had need for a car. It's a simple way to increase your spendable income by $1,000 a month.
Thank you the video. As a born and raised Californian, it's so annoying seeing other states make the same assumptions and follow the media assuming it's all because of the liberals and this and that. It's always going to be a much more complex topic and can't be taken at face value.
The only thing nice I can see about California is the climate, and I live in Florida. No jealously, I just want you 'people' to stop trying to destroy the country with your insanity.
if there was jealously people would be moving to California, not out of it. Google which states are gaining and which ones are losing population. California is losing population. Must be jealously huh?
@@dansands8140there are so many things that liberals do that piss me off. There are so many things that conservatives do that piss me off too. I hate how it’s come down to hearing one idea from a person and automatically assume they believe x, y and z. You can’t have discussions when so many assumptions are made.
If you go to California and ask people (not tourists, but folks that reside there) where their from, you'll find a HUGE amount of people from all over the country. I strongly agree with your assessment of this particular ideation.
Well that's kind of what California preaches though isn't it? Whereas by contrast the states that Californians tend to move to most definitely do not preach that.
I'm from rural, Trump-country upstate New York. When I was an over-the-road truck driver and spoke to people just about anywhere I went, when they found out I was from New York, their faces clouded over, and their disappointment was quite palpable, especially in the South. It was almost as if I told them I had leprosy.
I always say I'm from rural central New York state. I learned whenever I said New York, people assumed nyc.😮 there's way more to New York than the city. In fact upstate New York was recently voted in top 10 most enchanted places to see by National Geoghraphic!!
As a native Californian, I will never leave this state. I love it here, and I wouldn't ever move. And, the more people move, the lower the cost of living is here. All good things!
California is really the most amazing land in maybe the world, it is awesome and so many things to do. As a resident of CA, do they high taxes bother you? Seems like that is really the only negative.
@@johnedward5520 Nope, taxes don't bother me at all. If I lived somewhere else I would be making less and paying less taxes, which sounds like a wash to me. I'm sure others would feel differently, but I am more concerned about where my taxes are going and why the wealthy aren't paying enough of them, rather than me worrying about me paying too much. Just my opinion on it. :)
100% agree with you. I emigrated here from the UK at a young age and wouldn’t ever leave this state. I have a home in a neighboring state and travel all the time. Other states are okay some are tolerable but nothing is like California.
I was a kid back in 1972, visiting my uncle in Pensacola, Fl. We were fishing with one of his co-workers who had moved there or as I found out, was transferred there from Los Angles. Being young and inquisitive, I asked him why. He said that the abbreviation Calif. meant Come And Live In Florida.
What's interesting is that when I visit abroad, I get treated a lot better when I tell people I'm Californian compared to when I tell people I'm American. Another little anecdote too: I moved to Texas for a couple years, and I was eating smoked brisket and drinking Lone Star with someone, when I joked, "I guess I'm a Texan now." He, in all serious, looked me dead in the eye and said, "No. You'll never be Texan." I cannot ever imagine a Californian saying that to someone who moved to California, that they could never be a Californian.
I'm a California who moved back to the south about a decade ago. I originally came here in 93 as a teen but moved back to LA when I turned 18 and then came back south. I honestly think it was mostly due to Trump and the hyper polarization that he brought, turning us not into America but red vs blue warring factions. This was already brewing for years but it REALLY accelerated under Trump. California being the biggest blue state became the target of hate for the right. Prior to about 2016 nobody here in Tennessee gave a shit that I was from California. I was treated no different than if I'd said I was from Georgia or Wisconsin. I'd very much say that this California hate started at about the time Trump took off. And I don't think that's just coincidence. People now say shit like don't bring your failed California politics to Tennessee. Yet nobody would ever say to a West Virginia transplant don't bring your failed West Virginia politics to Tennessee. It's all really lame. Edit - I also think the rising price of housing has a lot do with people being more unwelcoming than they were in the past. There are a lot of reasons housing prices have gone up so much nationwide, I'd put most the blame on the fed holding interest rates too low for too long and causing an asset bubble. But layer the politics on top and Californians are scapegoated for why people can't afford a home. The same way some people blame immigrants for their problems.
Don't forget there's here in Sacramento we seem to notice Florida Governor Ron Desantis keeps getting played into California politics because Desantis whines about "Wokeism" related to policies in Downtown Sacramento and its meant to get Newsom to Respond. But then again Downtown Sacramento gets used in conspiracy theories during election season.
As one who lived in Santa Cruz for many years, you make me laugh. . . .Having travelled around the West and Europe in recent years, I've never had a bad reaction when I proudly say I'm from California. I think conservative America hates California because they're jealous of our varied natural beauty, jealous of perceived wealth, and of our climate (they don't know how cold it can get near the ocean when the fog rolls in!). These people like to believe that we all live in Santa Barbara and drive Lambourghinis, hahaha. Growing up in Oregon in the '70s, there was even back then a fear of California developers overwhelming the state and ruining its natural beauty. A popular bumper sticker read "Don't Californicate Oregon". So yeah, people are afraid of our numbers. But the truth is, in 2020, 7 of 10 people leaving San Francisco stayed in the Bay Area, and 2 of 10 went to SoCal, so we're not overwhelming anyone. Being the largest state, the biggest economy, and the media capital, California is, for better or worse, larger than life. Many people hate "Hollywood", but they love the movies. They hate our liberal politics, but they love to come west to drive around and see the sites. So I think its really more of a love/hate than just out and out dislike that many people feel for California.
I also found that saying I'm from California when I was traveling or studying abroad had a better reaction than if I said I was American. Especially true during the Trump years..
Totally! Fair or foul, California itself is a brand, and overseas, the image is strictly from movies, music, fashion, etc. In their minds, California is the coolest place ever! @@renaes2807
I hate telling people from other states I'm from CA. I grew up in the Modoc/Lassen region and have lived in Shasta and Trinity. Lived in the north state my whole life. We're so far removed from what people typically associate with California, it's not even funny. It might as well not even be part of the rest of CA. The biggest industries in the areas where I've lived is timber, cattle and farming. But tell someone you're from this state and they AUTOMATICALLY think L.A. or the Bay Area. It's like no...this is a HUGE state with lots of different regions, and there's a hell of alot more to it than just the big city culture. But they don't quite grasp that usually, because it's so hardwired in them that they're "supposed" to hate our state. Get over that stupid crap already.
About 7.7 million people have left California since 2010. If they had made a new state it would rank 14th in population in the US. States like Montana, S. Dakota, or N Dakota might get 1 or 2% 70 to 100K of them which represents 10% of their total population. States like AZ and NV are more likely locations, 300 k would be considerable chunk. I am conservative Californian but my politics would still skew to the left in some states. It is the volume and the politics.
Ok I'm calling you out. You completely made that 7.7 million number up. It's more like 1 million. And states like MT and SD are not getting hundreds of thousands of people incoming. Montana grew by a total of 95,000 people over the entire 2010s, most of whom were born there to Montanans, not transplants. And a conservative Californian is a conservative everywhere.
As a liberal, I would love to see liberals in coastal states spread into the interior. I have a huge problem with the way the electoral college and senate unfairly distributes power in this country. If liberals are clustered in a smaller number of high population coasts on the states, that really screws us politically because it makes the senate way to the right of the median voter and puts the thumb on the scale for Republicans in presidential elections via the electoral college. There actually NEEDs to be more liberal people moving inland. It's great for our democracy. As Bill Maher has said, if there are 2 Dakotas there should be 15 Californias.
I think it is a culture war thing, and I don't mean just red vs blue one. California sorta developed on its own isolated from the rest of the US. The combo of rockies & deserts inhibited cultural exchange letting California develop more independently. So Californians have a sorta "other"/uncanny valley vibe.
My daughter moved to SF and I was sad until I spent time there and just felt so welcomed and easy. I find the people to be kind. The natural beauty is breathtaking. I have noticed the people who snark on California have no experience of it and are mostly repeating someone elses conclusions. At the top of my list of states that I would not feel safe in is Idaho, too many guns and psychos.
I think politics is the biggest factor right now. If you check out the comments section of local news stations/stringers in California you'll see tons of California hate talk from conservative Californians themselves, and their reasons for commenting are always centered around politics.
You think liberal Texans don't hate the rest of Texas? I live in Austin. Do you have any idea how many people here despise their own state because it's mostly conservative? Or how many other US states think Texas is the worst state in America? You think all the hate only goes in one direction? I realize everyone thinks they are on the virtuous team and that the other side does all of the bad things, but that is the mentality of a small child.
@@dennisc6716 You brought up politics as the main reason for the California hate and then specifically blamed it all on conservatives. I guess none of the 30 million liberal Californians hate their state, right? Even though hundreds of thousands of them have moved out of it recently. I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I just called it like it is.
@@JakeKoenig Because that's what it is in those comments. You tried to make this about other states. Check this video's title again and have a nice day. Or not, I really don't care.
I lived in Colorado for 35 years, then moved to California for 18 years recently moved to Ohio. I left California because I could no longer afford to live there considering retirement soon. The taxes and real estate are outrageous. I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio, I now have 5 wooded acres. I don’t miss the population, I don’t miss 110° weather, I don’t miss wildfires, I don’t miss drought and I don’t miss the crime. When I moved to Ohio I told my wife on the second day that we need to go get Ohio license plates for our cars so that we would not get our car vandalized at shopping centers with California license plates. And yes I have had the same reactions from people here in Ohio when they find out I lived in California. I very rarely tell people that I lived in California usually if they ask, I say I am from Colorado but Lately that has been getting the similar reaction since Colorado has moved politically to the right and the cost of living is very similar as well.
"I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio" After the votes this past week on legalizing recreational marijuana and enshrining abortion rights in the state's constitution...please...Ohio is not conservative!
@@BearWaller the large liberal populations in the big cities have outnumbered the conservatives at the polls. Two issues of importance to liberals on one ticket is a win for both
I believe people see the snapshot of rich and famous southern Californian people ie Hollywood, LA and stereotype the rest of the state from this viewpoint. Another example of this would be New York City doesn’t represent the rest of the state at all.
Also San Jose and San Francisco could be thrown in for everybody thinks NorCal People are Venture Capitalists, Sacramento is like the West Coast Branch of Capital Hill. However there's the "Regular People" that are not on the news all the time like people that live in Solano County, California but their jobs are in either Sacramento or San Francisco.
I'm a third generation native of San Diego. My great grandparents moved with their sons from Nebraska to San Diego in the 1910's before giving birth to my grandmother in 1923. I broke that chain in 2000 though, when my husband and I decided to follow a job opportunity in Virginia. I haven't encountered any hate just for being Californian, and I even wear clothing with "San Diego" printed on it. It also never occurred to me to complain about how things are here in Virginia and say it should be like California. At least not outside my family and close friends. I do miss the more open-minded political atmosphere of southern California. And I do complain about having to drive in snow.
Fellow former San Diegan here! (East County, Lakeside.) My husband and I decided to move us and our two kids to Arizona six years ago, and it was one of the best decisions we could have ever made for our family. I hear Virginia is lovely! Cheers!
People complain that Californians bring their high housing prices to other states but let’s not forget that it is demand that drove those prices up in CA in the first place. I grew up in what was a small beach town in SoCal. My family moved there in 1920 and bought houses for a couple thousand dollars. It’s now 200,000+ people and a million & a half buys you a run of the mill tract house. Still, all the new comers love it there and the old timers lament how it was ruined by the crowds. In my lifetime (in my 50’s) CA has doubled in size from 20M to 40M people. There are plenty of folks in CA who also long for the old days before it seems like all the Texans, New Yorkers, Virginians, and Tennesseans moved here. But thats also the beauty of America. We migrate to new lands, new opportunities, and cultures and ideas are shared.
I have lived in lots of places throughout the west, including California, and I have encountered the California hate all over. I have never understood why. I'm no sociologist, but it may be a holdover from the early days of the Union. The states were more autonomous and the people viewed themselves primarily as Ohioans, or Kentuckians, for example, and as Americans secondly. There's an inherent clannishness to that way of thinking. Add to that the current trend toward increasing tribalism, there's a corresponding increase in mistrust of outsiders. After that long-winded spiel, it still doesn't explain why everyone seems to pile onto Californians. Maybe it's a numbers thing. There's more Karens and Kens in California, merely because there are more people in California. And, then, again...I could be completely full of BS!
I moved from Texas to Los Angeles back in 2010 (and moved back to Texas a year later), and most people in Cali had a pretty negative opinion of Texans too. Kyle (and a lot of other people) seem to think this "California hate" doesn't work in reverse, but it definitely does. Pretty much every blue state thinks Texas is the worst state in America. But I won't hold my breath for a "Why do so many people hate Texans?" video anytime soon.
Funny; after I posted this, I started thinking about it, and I thought that Texas is probably the state next most likely to be hated. Texans have that whole Texas Republic thing, the only state to ever be an independent nation. I wonder if that factors into it at all.@@JakeKoenig
@@JakeKoenigmost Californians really aren't walking around thinking about Texas or Kentucky or Tennessee. They're just going about their lives. If someone from a red state is in California nobody really cares. There's much more of a live and let live culture in California. Californians generally just mind their own business. Neighbors are not going to ask what church you go to or what you do for a living. I've never even had an issue with nosey neighbors while living in California.
Being from Idaho where we have seen a large influx of Californians, the biggest complaint that I hear is the "Californication" of our state. Idahoans have always lived in different ways than people from California. Idahoans see that way of life slowly being eroded. Boise looks more and more like California every day. This influx has also caused property values to skyrocket here, making homeownership out of reach for many natives of Idaho, who live on lower incomes. Someone from California can sell their small home in California for say, $600k and purchase a very nice home here for that price, which creates an affordable housing crisis. Not the fault of Californians, but the effect of the influx of Californians on the natives. which causes some of the bitterness.
So no one should be allowed to move to Idaho if they don't conform to arbitrary ideals? Was there concern over the "Mormonification" of Idaho? That changed the culture of Idaho substantially. Before the Mormons, Idaho was mostly wilderness and forestry and living off of the land. Now it's suburbs, SUVs, sterile neighborhoods, chain restaurants, and traffic jams. That's not Californians, that's Idahoans themselves. Plus, Idaho is heavily dependent on California for tax subsidies. If they don't want Californication, they can send the money back. California could fix a lot of problems with those Idaho subsidies, and Idaho would then have the problems they complain about California having. I'd say more than any other state, Idaho bites the hand that feeds it.
@@GeographyKing I'm not saying that's how I feel, I'm just stating just how many here see Californians that move here. I know that you don't behave in certain ways, but there is good reason why people aren't exactly happy with the influx of people from California. It's not just made up out of whole cloth. I am not a Mormon, but I grew up with them. Mormons have been here for well over 100 years, so the Mormon culture is well-established here.
I'm from Northern CA, and your video on "California's Norther Third" is excellent. I share with all my out of state friends. Because "my California" is no different then the rest of the US. I dislike the "disneyfication" of the rest of the US as much as everyone else. My home town, Lakeport CA has no chain restaurants, no corporate bars, none of that. If you want real America its still in CA. I normally shock strangers out of state and hear things like "I'm surprised your so normal." I'm sorry not all of California is LA or SF.
Slightly off topic: I spent twenty years working outside of the US and traveling a lot. I found it useful to say I was from California rather than from the USA. You got treated better and people were more interested in you. Something I would say about California was that it is bigger than you think. Its north end is north of southern Canada and its southern end is more south than Casablanca.
Welcome to the club. I never knew people hated Texas until I joined the Military and was subjected to the hate for my state. Misconception about the people here is the main reason just like what you’re talking about Californians.
Maybe you joined the military when "Full Metal Jacket" came out? F Lee Ermey's Marine drill sergeant character said "so you're from Texas, all they have are steers and queers, which one are you?" WOW ! (gave you a like)
So glad you made this video! I live in NC and I hear these complaints all the time and I'm so sick of it. For one thing, people trash on California here in NC, like it's some kind of hellhole. I have family in Monterrey and I've been there as well as San Fran, Santa Cruz and Big Sur and I can tell you those places are gorgeous. The cities, the weather, and the natural environments that I've been to are perfect. The only issues I see with California are the high cost of living and the issue of homelessness but I know that the reason for the homelessness is the cost of real estate there. NC cities have a lot of issues with homelessness as well. Wilmington, where I once lived, is now one of the most expensive cities in the state to live in and the cost of living keeps rising, while the wages remain low. All of those factors have led to a huge rise in homelessness. Of course all the people there blame transplants, even though it's local developers and the local government that are the ones causing the problems. They want endless growth but they don't want to pay for the infrastructure necessary to facilitate that growth, which leads to housing shortages and insane traffic. Asheville is probably the place where I hear this complaint the most, especially in terms of politics. I keep hearing from people who've never even lived in Asheville how the liberals have taken it over and ruined it. All I can say is, I lived in Asheville in the 80's and 90's and it was liberal then as well. As long as I have been alive, Asheville was never a conservative town. If anything, there were more hippies living in Asheville in the 80's and 90's and now it's mostly yuppies. A lot of right-wing Southerners just simply can't process that there are Southern liberals and they've been around for quite a while. Asheville and Chapel Hill have been notorious liberal strong holds for at least 50 years now. 20 years ago, North Carolina was considered a purple state, it voted for Obama in 2008. Now NC consistently votes Republican. Even though it was a slightly left leaning state by Southern standards when I was growing up, that's definitely not the case now. Many of the cities of NC have been liberal as long as I can remember. I went to school in Charlotte and when I was in school there, there was a law that made sure all the public schools had a large amount of racial diversity. This was a law enacted as far back as the 70's because of a court case called Swann vs. Charlotte Mecklenburg schools. The law stated that, not maintaining racial and economic diversity in schools was unconstitutional. That sounds pretty damn liberal to me. The law was actually overturned in the 21st century and the word is that Charlotte public schools are far more segregated by race and class now than they were 30 years ago. The only complaint that is legitimate is that the huge burst in population has hurt working and middle class locals. As you mentioned in your video, this is mostly the fault of city and state leaders who are not interested in doing things like investing more in housing and transit or raising wages to accommodate the increased cost of living.
Interesting ! I am a Michigander. We have four distinct seasons. Winter is long and cold but also beautiful. The californians i know that have moved here always complain about the weather. It is so much sunnier, warmer, nicer and prettier in Ca. Than in Michigan according to them. Michiganders like the seasonal changes. One Californian i know says that everything looks better in Ca. Ive been to Ca and while it is a beautiful state, i love the abundance of fresh water we have here and the natural beauty of Michigan is dear to my heart. Everyone loves their home state and that is why no one likes to hear others trash it. Californians that i have known do seem to feel Ca. is superior. Thats just human nature
I don’t hate Californians, and I certainly don’t hate anyone for having lived somewhere else at a point in time. If there is any complaint I have about California, it is the media coverage of its residents’ plight: property values are too high, it’s so dry because of climate change that homes are at constant risk of wildfire, but if it rains, there’s a risk that floods could wash homes away; there are countless homeless people, but we have to feel sorry for them because, again, homes are too expensive, yet we also have to feel sorry for homeowners because they’re surrounded by homeless people. I love the western states and simply don’t seem myself able to afford to live there; when I hear about all of these pleas for sympathy (not from individuals, but from the media), I think, why don’t people just move to a lower maintenance location? It may not be as beautiful, but we all have to make choices. I’m fine with the regulatory work the state does with conservation, and personally wish more states did the same, but I can appreciate the views of more conservative people who resent the fact that companies steer nationwide products based upon the regulatory wishes of heavily populated CA, just as I appreciate the frustration of more liberal people who resent textbook companies catering to the cultural leanings of heavily populated TX.
To me, the "state hate" is so ridiculous. I lived all over the country. There are good things and bad things about every single place I have lived. I will say, I can't wait to move from where I currently live.
I'm a Pennsylvanian who moved to Michigan 13 years ago to get my wife back home to her roots, as it was best for our children's schooling. She spent 3 years 1984-1986 away from Michigan in Southern California, and to an extent became an authentic Valley Girl. Many of her valued lifelong friends are the ones she made while "in the valley". In 2016 we opened our home here in Michigan to two of her friends who were going to be homeless for up to 4 months because no one in their family/friend support network out there was willing to take them in temporarily. That short stay turned into 2 months shy of living with us for 5 years. Neither drives, he worked for a bit but is now disabled, and she has health issues too, but holds down a para-pro position at a high school helping challenged children. They remain liberal, they mostly wear their LA Dodger gear a lot of the time, and I try to empathize with them but after 7 1/2 years living in Michigan, and more often than not, they just don't display midwestern common sense, nor have they truly assimilated into Michigan. A third friend has moved from California and has some challenges, but she's employed and drives, and living with them makes our taxi service for them now a rare assisting favor. I was the fiance who attended their wedding in which my to-be wife was a bridesmaid back in 2001, The four days in So Cal was enough for a lifetime. Hate is a strong word for it, but let's just say even for a live-and-let-live libertarian, I just don't get Californians, and that's okay.
What does Midwestern common sense look like? As opposed to any other common sense, I mean. Do most of your impressions of Californians comefrom these two people?
@@margefoyle6796 thank you for the reply. There is obviously no defendable way in which I can come away from my original remark with a satisfactory response. I am flawed and biased. My baseline for the perception of common sense comes from my upbringing with my first four decades in rural Pennsylvania - back east. An area where the "Ridgerunners" tended to live and succeed by the process that made outsiders and especially "Flatlanders" from urbanized Southeastern PA's behavior look foolish. By definition, common sense is "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts". Moving to the Midwest, on a whole, the majority of rural, suburban, and urban folks I encountered exhibit a baseline or better judgment than the average folks I grew up with. I am sure there are plenty, millions in fact, of the residents of California who go about their lives, loving their families, just wanting to survive another day and make the most and best of their situation. However, the middle-of-the-scale Californian is dealing with, adapting to, and making the best of radically different circumstances than folks from fly-over country. So the common sense they apply can be quite viable and sensible, however, it seems foreign to my view. God bless them! Yes, that 5-year experience with that couple clouds and messes with my bias, but the people I met on that 2001 visit, the people from California who have come across my path in PA, and MI, or when visiting elsewhere, and my media exposure over 50+ years. and consumption of nearly a century of multimedia content {from entertainment to news} created out of California also skews my perception. The regulatory choices made by the citizens of that state, or tolerated by the citizens there also appear sometimes to be odd and something I frankly wouldn't want to have to endure, so I open-mindedly just want to live and let live and coexist. ✌
@jeffreymosher6334 Thank you for the thoughtful reply. In my understanding, common sense is experiential rather than cultural. Common sense is not putting your hand in the fire or driving while under the influence. So I'm still not sure what you mean. I will say that in the 4 years I lived in Michigan (1975-1979), I saw very little evidence of much common sense from teenagers my age who would grab on to the rear bumpers of vehicles to slide on the ice, engage in unprotected sex (they were considering opening a daycare in my high school when I left), and drink and drive regularly. Going back home to California while still in high school, I saw very little of that (just drinking). So common sense seemed less common in Michigan in my limited experience. (Don't even get me started on the behavior of the parents I babysat for.) I am very intrigued by the media representation that skews your thinking. Most news companies are headquartered in New York, so you can't look at California for that. But yes, there is Hollywood. What in particular skews your perception of California in a negative way?
Lifelong Californian from Santa Cruz with family in the Midwest. I get this attitude all the time. Yes I wear my Niner, Warriors and Giants stuff and proudly tell people I’m from California. I love Ca. Why do people hate on us? Jealousy, ignorance, misconceptions and avid viewers of Fox tv. I find most people assume all of Ca is like LA based on television. If you live here you know it’s not. Probably most people consider whatever state they’re from home and think it’s better.
I can believe Miami can be liberal -up to a point. But the level of liberalism/leftism would never fly in Miami. The Cubans that wanted to escape communism would never tolerate the extreme leftists that want to push socialism/communism in the United States.
I have always wanted to compliment you on your good taste in music. Your collection of vinyl is similar to my own. From the Supremes to Iggy Pop and then some. That Fleetwood Mac LP behind you came out while I was at Ft Knox & we were able to see them in Louisville. I should mention I studied cartography. Keep 'em coming!
Born and raised in Sacramento and have lived in Nashville 8 years. Very few people know I’m from CA. Totally closeted. Even though most parts of CA are leaps and bounds better than TN.
If you are new to Nashville, many will assume you either from Illinois or California. I think more know than you think, especially if you don't hide your accent.
Wonderful video! I moved to Oregon awhile back, and was surprised to be hated even in that progressive state. Finding a job was the hardest; it seemed that all the employers were boycotting Californian workers. Thankfully, I was able to move back to California, and got back my old job without any hassle.
I moved to East TN from Southern CA. I've never had any problems, but a lot of people in the area that I have met are also from various other states. I will say that I'm from CA and no one has ever said anything negative to me. A lot of people born in the area find it fascinating, like all of CA is Hollywood or something lol.
Yeah we just won't associate with you as much as we would with native Tennesseans. The transplants tend to congregate in areas where a lot of other transplants are. Most of us don't care about California. The general consensus is that it can't be that great if y'all keep moving here.
I worked in Idaho for three months as a travel nurse and I get the vibe that the whole “Go back to California thing” is just an ad nauseam catchphrase at this point. You see it on bumper stickers. T shirts. Even had a patient say to me “Why would you put on MSNBC!? Don’t you know where you are? Go back to California!” when I was turning on his television that was set to MSNBC from a previous patient. Mind you I am from Massachusetts I also vaguely remember reading a statistic that there are proportionally more Idahoans moving to California than there are Californians moving to Idaho. Will definitely need double checking though as I don’t remember where I got this
That statistic is incorrect. Idaho had 26,887 residents who lived in California the previous year, whereas California only had 5,567 residents that lived in Idaho the previous year, according to 2022 US Census Bureau migration flows. Idaho has 4.8 times Californians moving to it than California has Idahoans moving to it. Additionally, something you need to keep in mind is that many people move to a certain state, then move back to their home state a year or 2 later. So, not all of those people moving to California are actually native Idahoans.
I'm glad you made this video, I see these kinds of comments everywhere online and even though I'm not from California (TN born and raised) it still irritates me, even if just for the fact that people have the right to move anywhere in this country they damn well please. Also I think that people should probably be mad about the lack of housing being built, instead of the people moving in.
This video has been out for a while - but I have lived in CA most of my adult life and mostly in the Bay Area. What is odd about this subject is that most of the people who I have known here were not from California originally! Many people leaving California are probably not from California!
When I was a kid, California was a shimmering vision of freedom. When I arrived there, it lived up to that image to some degree. I stepped out of the bus station and walked to Golden Gate Park. There were musicians jamming in the park, and one of them was Carlos Santana! When I rode a bus, someone stepped on the bus with a pizza and handed out slices to everyone. The bookstores were fantastic, the music fantastic, and walking in the city was magical. Thousands of young gays had come from small towns across the country, most of them recovering from horrible torments of persecution. They found freedom in California. It's this image of freedom that Conservatives HATE passionately. California is demonized and denounced from every pulpit and every Republican political speech because it represents individual freedom, which they fear and hate.
You must not know any actual conservatives. We hold personal freedom To the absolute highest standard right next to God and family. -Pro 2A -Limited government -free speech -low taxes -land ownership Conservatives live for personal freedom
@@MrTourgeFlexington I've known vast hordes of Conservatives, and the idea that they support or promote individual freedom is absolute nonsense. If you have ever lived in a Communist dictatorship, you would understand that Conservatism in America is exactly the same as Communism in every way. Just like the Communists, Conservatives use every word to mean its exact opposite. When they say "freedom" they mean slavery. When they say "love" they mean hate. When they say "patriotism" they mean treason. The mentality of the Trumpie is that of the willing slave, yearning to be part of sleazy totalitarian dictorship. The only "ideals" that Conservatives strive for are cowardice, obedience. and ignorance.
Californians like you are what gives it a bad rep. You have drunk the liberal Kool-Aid my friend. I know many conservatives that don't hate anyone. I have NEVER heard anything negative from a pulpit. You have bought into the liberal talking points and 95% of them are lies. I won't say there are some haters. Every group has them, as we are seeing right now with the Israel/Palestine war. But it is attitudes like yours that would give people the wrong idea about California as a whole.
If, as you liberals say, it's so free why can't a conservative give a speech on a campus or in a park. IE: free as long as we agree with you and your likes.
In my opinion: Americans treat Californians like Europeans treat Americans. To hate or dislike a Californian is to hate or dislike Americans. Just like to hate or dislike Americans is to hate people. Stereotyping people is lame and shows low iq. Much love to my fellow Americans out west from Pennsylvania ✌️
So interesting! I am one of those Californians that decided to live in the Midwest for several years. And yes, the culture was SO vastly different that I had a rough time finding my place there. I never complained that there was anything wrong with where I was living, but I did express that I missed my family and friends in California. I appreciated the culture I was in, but I didn't really feel comfortable. That's on me, not the location. I assume I would have had a similar experience if I'd moved to a different country without being prepared to adapt to that culture. I've since returned to California, and while I'm closer to my friends and family, I'm now trying to readapt to the culture here. While I might find circumstances trying, I'd never complain about someplace I live as I'm here by choice, and complaining just means I'm a jerk : )
I’ve lived in five states, and I got to California in 1983 and have been here ever since…it’s hands down my favorite! The weather, the diversity of people, culture, and landscape are the things I love the most. Plus I was lucky to buy a house back in the 80s which put me on the path to retirement security. My wife and I travel the country frequently, not just because we have four grandkids back East, but because every part of it has its wonderful qualities and people; and I generally find that people are friendly and give you respect if you give it back to them generously.
California represents a lot of political stances that people do not like in other states. Gun control, high taxes, excessive regulations, cartel crime, corruption, illegal immigration, etc. are what a lot of people think California personifies. Regardless of how accurate that is, California has a stigma that does not jive with the culture in other areas.
Apparently "cartel crime, corruption, illegal immigration" are "political stances" now. Because Californians are just sitting around saying, "You know what we around here? Some more corruption and crime." [hard eye roll] I'm a political moderate that often criticizes certain political decisions here, but your take on it that anyone is pro-crime or pro-corruption is ridiculous.
The perception is that the policies that Californians voted for have allowed those conditions. No matter what the overall conditions are, people see the stories about tent cities of homeless, used needles in parks, human feces everywhere, and looting in San Francisco. I like California, but it has glaring flaws that makes it look a lot worse than it is.
I live in Idaho where many Californian have moved to and more longstanding Idahoans dislike Californians. I regularly hear directly from people across different generations who have lived in different parts of CA talk about how amazing CA was. When it's cold they talk about how they didn't have to deal with the cold in California. They talk about how much more there was to do and how beautiful the ocean or mountains were. So your point that no one is going around talking about how great CA is is definitely not true, at least in Idaho. Also the home prices in the Boise area have definitely been driven up by Californians moving here. This is nice for some people who have owned for a long time, but for people trying to start families who don't have an expensive CA house to sell this is very discouraging. This has also caused homelessness to increase and brought some other problems. If CA folks (and others like WA and OR) hadn't moved to Boise in such droves the growth of the area could be more organic rather than frenzied.
As a Southern Californian, I think this sentiment also exists within California itself and is just a strain of a general urban vs rural phenomenon. I used to live in a more expensive area of the Inland Empire, and you'd often hear complaints of Angelenos moving to take advantage of cheaper housing and the cultural shifts it causes, and admittedly I've taken part in some of it too, though I realized that locals likely argued the same about my parents moving in 25 years ago. It also exists the other way around where the IE was wholesale stereotyped by LA or SD folk as a crappy place to live based on San Bernardino, Moreno Valley, or Hemet. I've since moved to a small town in the Mojave (still within CA) for work, and I do see that my coworkers who've also moved here miss their homes in SF, SD, LA etc. and call this place crap, and I'm hard-pressed to not complain about it myself. Suburban and urban California are just chock full of things to do as a younger person. Even my IE hometown of 100k people had unique things that would be hard to find outside urban/suburban CA, authentic food from all over the world made by 1st-gen immigrants, Asian markets, and a Japanese-style arcade, recliner theaters etc. etc. yet there was once a time before I moved away where I complained it too was boring and dreamed of moving to sunny beach, temperate SD. Moving to a small town has given me a lot of perspective on both ends. I truly feel bad for the people in the desert town I live in now since you can see online their home getting a bad rap, despite the people being some of the nicest I've ever met especially as they know I'm a "city dweller" moving in. It's definitely been humbling and it is refreshing to not be in such a bustling, competitive area and the toxic personalities that come with that.
Okay, I’m a baby boomer from upstate NY. I lived in the Bay Area from 1978 to 1981 for school, then moved to Northeast TN for a job. No one cared at all that i originated in a “liberal” state and moved from another “liberal” state. Things were much different then. East TN was moderately red, although no Democrat loudly proclaimed their political affiliation. I visited my friends in TN many times from 1981 till 2019 (the pandemic put a real damper on us 60-somethings traveling), and i did notice the general mood swinging to extreme conservatism. I agree with you, Kyle and some other commenters, that social media has a lot to do with divisions now. Since you’re pretty passionate about CA hate, how about eliminating the Karen hate from your own discourse? How did a girl’s name popular in the 1950’s and 1960’s become a pejorative? How would you like it if people referred to male “Karens” as “Kyles”, rather than “Kevins”? When i deal with Gen Z types, like when putting an order in at a counter service place, i have to use a pseudonym, because if i use my real name i seem to get veiled hatred. Let’s start solving our problem of demonizing others right there.
I like California. It's a beautiful state, but of course has problems just like many places. Back in the eighties, I wanted to move to Southern California because of the climate and scenery. However, the expense even then was way too much. So, I live in a city with 4 seasons, and no water shortage issues, and it's much more affordable. But, I still love visiting California. I harbor no ill will to those Californians to move to our area. They seem to adjust fine and find the cost of living liberatiing.
Your first couple answers feel more anecdotal to your personal experience rather than based on evidence either way. I think that many associate Californians with pumping our culture and exporting that to the rest of the country and it is easy to blame a Californian you see for bringing that culture with them. I have wonderful Californian friends who complained we didn’t have In and Out Burger in Colorado or that the amusement parks weren’t as good as the ones in CA. This is my anecdotal experience. Additionally with 1 out of 10 Americans being Californian everyone knows someone there and often its the Californians visiting, not the ones staying, that complain the loudest that things aren’t like Cali.
I moved from California to Texas in 2005. At the time I had been prepared to dot my I’s and cross my T’s, thinking I’d be a cop magnet with California plates, and I did stay kind of closeted. But that didn’t last long. I’ve always had a fairly balanced approach to how I present anything vaguely comparison-like, and I’ve always demonstrated that “actions speak louder than words” by just being me, which is not whatever preconceived notion lots of folks have about California. My politics don’t fit in either in California or Texas, so that part of it I just slough off rather easily. I have displayed a lot of California/western US bumper stickers as that’s where my heart is and I genuinely appreciate having grown up there, and I think that genuine approach goes a long way. I have received some snark, but nobody has vandalized my car, I’ve never felt discriminated against, and most folks have definitely not gone out of their way to belittle my place of birth. I did move to New York a couple of years ago, a place I myself have held biases about. I don’t like it there and am not shy about saying so, but I’m also quick to point out local stuff I like when I actually like it. But I also don’t get any blank or dismissive looks just for being Californian, so my being less tactful is balanced out by the fact that NYers don’t really care that much. Takeaways? Biases and jealousy are a part, but being genuine makes a fast impression and I’ve found all of the fear and much of the naysaying to be overblown. As I always lead with, “There’s been some good and bad, and everywhere I’ve lived has been kind of a wash in that way.”
Current resident of California here. I like to express where I'm from, wherever I travel. But I do get different reactions. Within the United States, people will often express some kind of (negative) comment, usually along a political lens (conservatives complaining about California being too liberal). But whenever I travel overseas, most people think it's pretty cool that I come from California. That's been my experience.
Probably a little bit of everything, frankly. In Portland and Seattle there was definitely the element of "californians with bigger money/equity move here and price people out". In other parts of the US there's the "californians are super liberal and will change our politics." i also think a big underline is that California still dominates media production (movies, shows, games) and so it's just going to be a lot more front-of-center in attention in terms of focus than Texans moving to other places.
My personal experience about California getting hated on pertains to the drastic difference in earning potential. People with California pay take that money and buy homes in cheaper states, which causes a lot of resentment among the "locals". Very happy with your videos. Your recent California counties video was insightful and reminded me that I should make more use out of my CA State Parks pass and visit some of these areas.
I suspect that the “Californians are turning our state liberal” stereotype is alive because the only 2 states where it actually happened (in most states the Californians tend to be mixed or GOP leaning) are the 2 states that Californians started to move to en Masse the earliest (Colorado, and Oregon in the 90s,00s,10s), with one of those states now having one of the worst reputations in the country (Oregon) and the other one experiencing the most drastic political shift to the left in the entire country over the last 20-25 years (Colorado).
I’m from Houston and I think the political thing as well as the “Californian hate” thing are both overstated. Here it’s more the fact that southern culture and mannerisms are becoming extinct because of how quickly demographics have changed and California has been the #1 state people move from so the heat tends to be placed on Cali somewhat unfairly. Idk anyone who REALLY is just disgruntled to the core about it. Population shifts are as old as time.
The word "California" brings to mind several negative issues. One party rule state. Homelessness. Helpless. Government dependency. Anti-American culture. You can agree or not agree with the merits of the objects but you can't deny the reality of the experience.
California is far from government dependent. It is well documented that it subsidizes most other states. I live in Tennessee. One party rule. Highest crime rate state in the country. Massive government dependency. Anti-American culture. Way more poverty than CA. You can agree or not agree with the merits of the objects but you can't deny the reality of the experience.
The mob mentality is the key piece. During the Great Depression, migrants from the dust bowl were demonized in California. That’s always the way it is when large groups move into a new place. Even if they’re fellow Americans. The anti-outsider bias is strong in human psychology.
Californians are dickheads
True. As a kid growing up in Central CA, The term "Okie" was basically a slur towards white people.
You don't just let anybody in your house. It's common sense. You see how bad California is doing and all of their people start coming to your state, you better be weary of that or you don't have a pulse.
This comment nails it.
@@timwilson7326people are by and large good at heart and generally the same as anyone else. Just because the state government is failing to address major issues, doesn’t mean you should fearmonger about the general population.
As an east coaster, I find it hilarious that Texans and Californians see themselves as sooo different lol. A rural Texan likely has a great deal more in common with a rural Californian than an urban Texan, and vice versa.
So, when I lived in Taos, NM the locals did complain about both Californians and Texans. The biggest complaint about the Californians wasn't changing politics, per se. Taos is a liberal hippie area. However, northern New Mexico has a bit of an anarchist culture, and the complaint was the Californians passing a bunch of zoning laws, and anti smoking laws, and banning plastic bags, and things like that.
my dad grew up in eagle nest and his dad was born in los angeles in the 1940s. whenever my dad was a kid in the car with my grandpa on the way to taos my grandpa would always complain about “californians tarnishing the culture in new mexico and texans tarnishing the roads” lol
It’s almost like they ruined California and moved to New Mexico and want to make New Mexico like California. Geography King didn’t debunk shit.
Why Texans? I live there
They are the worst. They LOVE overregulation. I moved there for a bit, and it was so alien to see a regulatory sign on everything attempting to structure some mundane aspect of human behavior.
Weird considering here in Cali we have plastic bags and smoke weed out in the open......
One more reason why it’s great to be from Rhode Island. No matter how many other places I move to, literally nobody will ever say “OMG, you people are ruining it here” 😂
As someone from Hawaii, there are direct flights back to Boston.
I think a key point not mentioned here is that people move states all the time and between all the different states. But California has such a large population that it becomes over-represented. If 0.001% (one thousandth of one percent) of Californians move to your town, that's 400 people, a whole subdivision. But if 0.001% of Wyomingites move then that's only 6 people, barely 2 households. So your town might proportionally be being overrun by the populations of smaller states, but California is just so populated that minor shifts in its populace drowns out movements of other states.
As an example, let's look at Idaho, who tends to have some of the most vocal anti-Californians. In 2019, 17,772 people moved from California to Idaho, or 0.04% of the California population. The next highest state was Washington with 13,505 people. However, that was 0.18% of Washington's population, or 4.5x that of California. Likewise, 3,026 people moved from Montana for 0.28% of that state's population, or 7x that of California. So while California did send the most total people to Idaho, it was a much smaller proportion than from other states.
Texas has almost 32 million people california has 39 million. not that big of a difference.
@@joeyenniss9099 That's nearly a 20% difference...the key here is "million", as in seven million; many mistake the difference between the integers 39 & 32 at 7, and outright discount the "million" qualifier that follows, simply because the format includes alphabetic characters.
Yeah, this is my thought. Feels like being overrun by Californians, I guess.
I like your point, but I honestly don't think folks think of groups of people in terms of percentages, but rather in whole numbers. And if they did, it wouldn't be as a percentage of they state they left, but as a percentage increase in the state they are moving to. So your numbers would indicate that Idahos population increased by 1% Californians, 0.75% Washingtonian, etc. They really don't care how big a state they came from, only the impact on their state.
@margefoyle6796 That's the problem...how data is presented affects how it is received. All kinds of people make lots of money from this knowledge.
Native Texan here... I haven't seen all of California but I have seen quite a bit of it, and I don't mean just L.A. and San Francisco. People who have never been there assume that it's all surfers and hippies, but California is full of regular working class people, farming people, ranch people... JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE.
I love California. I love my home state of Texas. Folks, you need to travel more and see more of America, then you'll realize how much we are really quite a lot alike. I have seen almost every state west of the river, and I'll begin my east travels soon. Get out and go see it.
So true. As much as we see differences between us, there *is* such a thing as "American culture".
Thanks for seeing, in my opinion, the real California. As someone who lives in central CA, it's a bit infuriating when LA and SF make up the image that immediately pops into people's minds. Most of the central valley is just hardworking Americans like all across America.
True Native Califonian Here I keep hearing the biggest NorCal stereotypes since that Venture Capitalists from San Jose and San Francisco have been hyping up the Austin Area like "its a Utopia". Only problem here is that regular working class people can't afford to leave the state and do what these leaders hyping up Austin are doing. Regular Working Class People live in places like Tracy, Vallejo, Fairfield, Suisun City, Vacaville and have to commute to their jobs in Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose.
Totally agree with what you've said! I always tell people that if you really want to "see" California that you have to get off the freeways and go into the communities. I've lived in five states and the most rural was California.
@@michelepayne3546 Which rural parts of California you been to? is it I-5 Halfway between Sacramento to Los Angeles in the San Joaquin Valley area or Northern Sacramento Valley or the Sacramento Delta area.
I think a large part of it is a feeling of other places in the US being left out. There’s an essentialist idea of the US as being “New York and California” (with of course New York only referring to New York City, and California only referring to Los Angeles County and San Francisco). A lot of the media and tech of the US is dominated by these places, and thus everyone else feels some resentment towards them as “the big, powerful, arrogant places”, even if it’s wholly unfair to lump everyone there into those categories.
For California, this is compounded by both anti-“liberal” bias cultivated by social and formal media, and a general sense of resentment towards “Hollywood” and all the associated supposed cultural ills of that (shallow relationships, ostentatious wealth, dishonesty, cults, celebrity worship, etc).
If this wasn’t enough, I think the sheer geographic separation of California from most of the country allows people’s imaginations to run wild about what California is actually like. Whereas negative perceptions by people in the eastern US of Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, DC, etc can be more easily dispelled without too long of a trip, California is often days away by car or train, and many hours away by plane, from most of the population of the US. Therefore, wild fantasies about “streets covered in effluvia and needles as high as fire hydrants” in San Francisco, and “vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting” as the hills around them are always on fire can go unchecked.
For all the mystique, aura, and intrigue that California’s remoteness, size, and distinctiveness has cultivated since the mid 19th century in the American mind, that level of fantastical thinking has also instilled passionate, irrational hatred. Maybe if more people put down their phones and hopped on a train, bus, plane, or car to California, there would be less oddly passionate hatred of the people and the place?
Also, final thought: it’s not fair to judge a place by its expats. People leaving California are likely different from Californians themselves, as people who move tend to be different, whether that be because they’re richer, more restless, less rooted, better at making enemies and leaving town (lol), or just more open-minded. A lifelong working class Fresno resident is probably gonna be more “normal” to an average Tennessean than a millionaire from Bel Aire is, but unfortunately both are lumped into the enormous umbrella term of “Californian.”
@thefareplayer2254 You make some good points, but I'm definitely stealing ”vegan kombucha drinking billionaires walking tiny dogs as they mistreat their underpaid domestic workers on the way to a cult meeting.” 😂
I love rich people
Nailed it! NorCal chick here 👋🏼 you worded that perfectly!
@impulse_xsif you like room temperature weather around the coast year around, you might like it. You might like Mississippi as long as you’re an average Anglo white that likes rich and fatty food. You might like Utah as long as you enjoy people with no personality and skiing.
As a Californian that moved to a small town in Georgia the main reason people were turned off when I told them I’m from California is because they assumed I was liberal. I don’t think they felt like I was changing the politics of the town. I think it was the fact of running into a lot of conservatives that dislike liberals. I also lived in Atlanta and there I felt like if someone didn’t like Californians it was because of higher populations, more traffic and higher home costs. People finding someone to blame for their cities problems.
Bingo.
I’ve learned it doesn’t matter whether theyre liberal or conservative. They’re just stuck up jerks that generate traffic jams, love overregulation and turn home owners into renters. If they loved CA dysfunction so much, I wish they’d return home and spare the rest of us.
Yall are pricing locals out of their home towns
I first encountered this last summer playing golf in Colorado with a Coloradan friend. We met a couple from Albuquerque while having a beer after the round, and they were very friendly until I said I'm from LA. They scoffingly said "I've heard of that place" and then didn't say half a word to me after that, but remained friendly to my buddy. It was really surprising!
I think it's symptomatic of the crazy political polarization in this country and a real distain that many conservative Americans have for liberals...and they associate California with liberalism. But when you consider that there are more registered republicans in CA than any state except for Texas, it shows just how misguided that sentiment really is.
Distain for the other is shared among both political parties.
I believe you for sure because I noticed this as well. My mom and her sister like to travel a lot around the country. Both are from LA, but my mom moved out decades ago to another city along the central coast. So now my mom says she is from the central coast because she always gets a warmer reception. There were times she said she was from LA and people were always like “oh…” and didn’t really care to ask more, and their behavior completely changed, like their cheeriness and friendliness deflated…, so she no longer says she is from LA. Her sister frequently complains about the lackluster reception she gets everywhere when she tells people she is from LA. And it’s just a fact, she’s not saying “I’m from LA, so I’m better than you!”
I noticed this on a trip we all made to Florida in May to see my grandmother. They asked where we were from and we said California, and they actually perked up (possibly because we were just tourists, not cockroaches infesting their state lol). They asked where each of us is from in California, and their reception towards us saying we are from the central coast was far nicer than when my aunt said LA (even though they had NO IDEA what the central coast even is). My grandmother and another one of my aunt’s are also from LA and had moved there to Florida permanently, but they always get a happy reception from Floridians because they immediately like to trash LA and their home state California and tell them Florida is way better.🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fluffing up their ego’s seems to help matters when you’re from Cali, especially from LA, but it’s like you have to disown where you’re from for anyone else in America to accept you it seems.
Albuquerque is pretty liberal. Maybe they don't like the movie industry?
The 'California is liberal' sentiment probably comes from the way California usually votes in presidential elections these days
Colours (spelt the correct way) nailed to the mast first of all.
I’m a Brit and skied in California in 2003, then liked it so much went back and got married on the shores of Lake Tahoe in 2006. Then to the East coast for my wife’s milestone birthday and finally this summer on a Harley from LA to Chicago via Route 66 the wrong way.
So…. I have been welcomed with open arms everywhere in your land. Yours is a fantastic country full stop. Everywhere has leapt out at me from a movie set or a tv screen and having ridden and driven probably 10,000 miles in my time I have never encountered road rage, nor a harsh word in my dealings with an unfailingly polite population.
Do I have a “bubble” of “Britishness” that stops me from being taken as a Californian? I have no idea. But as many of the positive comments say it’s a tribal mentality and when you get to a personal level “people are nice”. It’s really hard to be a complete shit all the time. But politicians both side of the pond manage it as easily as falling off a horse.
So be nice to your neighbours and think like I do. Think that “It’s a Wonderful Life” with my all time favourite actor Jimmy Stewart emblazons all the good things about people across our TV screens.
Favourite Places in your world:
Heavenly skiing looking down and across into the deserts of Nevada
Arizona’s back roads of nothingness, just sheer empty beauty
Williams, Arizona. I really should have rolled up on a horse but the Harley was the perfect substitute
Lassen National Park
Arriving in New York under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge
Finally, The Smithsonian in Washington
And I’ve got a lot more to see - like that great governor…. “I’ll be back”
Hi Kyle. Californian here, born and raised and live here now in retirement. But I've lived in Michigan as a teenager (4 years), then in the last 12 years I've lived in New Hampshire (1 year) and Virginia (3 years).
When we lived south of Detroit Michigan, I was a kid ( in the late 70's) and was seen as an exotic. People really thought California was all beaches and movie stars. So mostly I just dealt with the misconceptions. I'm grateful for that time because it was sooooo different than the suburbs of the east bay where I grew up (and still live).
When I lived in NH, I did say I was from California. As you said, people weren't really friendly when I said that, but I got the impression that folks in New England were just rather provincial folks. I definitely got the feeling that I should never be accepted there. My husband did where his giants and 49ers hats out and about, but we found that as long as you weren't a Yankees fan, it was okay.
2015-2018 we lived in virginia, but because we lived in the DMV (NoVa) where many many folks came from all over to work in DC, it was grudgingly accepted. We were pretty far outside the beltway, however, so did learn to not wear our Californian identity too openly. We heard California disparaged a lot, mostly for the politics. I had to learn to zip it when around folks I didn't know.
We always moved for work reasons, and did indeed come back to California between every gig. I will say that as someone who not only has lived out of state, but has traveled extensively through the country, we have found that the smiles and welcomes we got as Californians 40 years ago have been replaced with grunts and attitude in the last 10 years. I've even had people say to my face, well as long as you're spending money and not moving here, it's okay (Arizona, Montana, Oregon).
It really feels like it's a culture war thing to me.
You are so right! The rural areas do not like outsiders! That was my experience in rural KY and rural PA and in Northern CA. All 3 of those states were not like that while living in the city. @tommygogetter5992
Thanks for the insight Marge. I know you've seen quite a bit of the country so it's nice to hear your perspective.
Fun Fact: Despite Journey's melodic protestations, the is no "South Detroit"; South Detroit is Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
@@jasonarthurs3885 I agree. As I said, I lived south OF Detroit. Taylor, to be specific.
Funny, I grew up next door to one of the original members of Journey.
@@margefoyle6796Cheers!
Hey Kyle, California is the only state that has proposition 13 ! My sisters ranch in Texas property taxes were raised 1000%. No other state can compete with our infrastructure, and I won’t even get into our weather!
Prop 13 was a disaster, and only helps those that inherit property. So this does not apply to most. Certainly never helped me.
California Proposition 13 from 1978 is great! Property taxes can only increase 2% from the last year.
The weather near the coast is the best.
Prop 13 is literally why you have a housing crisis and an unstable budget.
Its politics, straight up. Ive seen it happen here. People who move from California seem to be given a more difficult time than most
First of all, I love your content. Keep up the good work! As a small town Utah native, one of the consistent Californian complaints is that we’re getting overcrowded. Many of the small towns are getting bigger so quickly that it can be hard to keep up with infrastructure particularly I-15, since there aren’t viable road alternatives. Water is always a concern. And the housing prices went up in large part to market scarcity. At one point there were only 80 houses on the market in UT county when there should have been somewhere around 300. I hear a lot of the arguments that your brought up here, which I think you effectively debunked. People do whine about the character/politics and so on of Californians, but I think the bigger issue is the volume of people which are largely (but not entirely) from California.
I grew up in, and lived in, Idaho most of my life. For a while we lived on a small farm and raised animals. Our neighbor, who moved from California, disliked that we raised and butchered our own animals and regularly called the police on us for it. She moved to the countryside in farmland and then apparently was just in shock and disgust that people actually had active, functioning farms. She constantly complained about us and our shared neighbor because the animals would smell bad when she'd go get her mail, among other things. She complained about how horrible it was that she had to look at our barn and see the animals in the yard. She was an exception, not a rule, but people like her are absolutely where the stereotype comes from. Even then, she was just insufferable as a person, probably had nothing to do with her being from California.
Weird considering the Mexicans next door would regularly butcher their goats and no one gave a shit. But then again I live in rural northern California
There's also endless farms here. You sure she really was from California???
Never in a million years or in my 40+ years of living would I have thought it would be such a big deal or such a high level of complexity in finding a place to live, work and play in this country! I've concluded that this whole ship has a leak somewhere and no one is able and/or wants to repair it!
Have you looked in to the mountains east of Sacramento? Incredibly awesome place to live, beautiful scenery everywhere you go, big pieces of land, easy drive to work in to Folsom or Sacramento. Very low crime and still affordable part of California. My #1 favorite part of the state. Have a look at Placerville, Jackson, Auburn, Nevada City, Grass Valley and so many other areas east of Sacramento, such cool places to live.
@@drscopeify Interesting that you say this, I've been on many roadtrips around the country and have concluded that this is where I'd eventually like to live, due to its proximity to many natural wonders.
That is somewhat true except for the weather there in July and August when it can be 115 degrees or when the Tule fog rolls in during the winter. @@drscopeify
To the “California is better than here” trope: I definitely experienced this in medical school in Ohio. There were about 20-30 people in my class from California who couldn’t get into UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, or Stanford so they left California for medical school. All of them complained about the Midwest, the vast majority socialized only with other west coasters, and they all talked about California all the time. The food, weather, and entertainment was just sub par for so many of them and they were very vocal about it. The vast majority went back to California for residency (and reminded everyone how they needed to get back). So, I understand that stereotype. I watched dozens of miserable Californians toil away in the Midwest for 4 years, complaining every second, and they couldn’t get out fast enough.
No place like home.
Exactly. No place like home. Born/raised in Cali, other states can be cool too but no place is like home (especially when that’s California). Been to many states but none have the variety that Cali does. Live in NYC now (for residency) and cant wait to get back to CA. The weather in NY stinks. I like being outside and the weather here discourages that kind of mindset. I dont mean to judge but just miss my home. I do talk about Cali alot tho and when people ask about it I definitely highlight the pros of living there (but now I also mention cons so people dont think I’m bragging or whatever). There’s a reason 40,000,000 live there, there is a reason houses cost what they do. Once you live there I dont see how you can live anywhere else (assuming you have friends/family there). It just has something for every type of person. Literally.
so college kids? lol
@@carstarsarstenstesenn Medical students in the US have already graduated college, and many don't go directly from college. The people I'm talking about were basically aged 23-35, probably average age of like 25
nice try, kid.@@carstarsarstenstesenn
Born in WI, moved to SF for 5 years and loved it. People were extremely welcoming. Then I moved back to WI and I miss CA so much. I think I speak more highly of CA than native Californians in my area. Nevertheless, I think it's very politically driven. Everyone here in WI blames Madison/Milwaukee for everything bad happening and the Midwest in general hates Chicago and Illinois. I used to be like that but after moving to San Francisco and seeing how welcoming they were, i changed my tone on people moving. We're all Americans and it should be up to the individual where they want to live.
Moved to San Diego from Milwaukee! I couldn’t be happier, you couldn’t pay me to move back. Everyone from home always bring up how I shouldn’t turn into a California liberal, whatever that means
Like the saying goes, “Hater’s gunna hate”. If they don’t hate Californians, then they hate Mexicans, or probably both. Let’s not forget they hate Jews and blacks too. They must be exhausted from hating so many things…
Been in Wisconsin for the last 6 years. There’s some really nice things but honestly Wisconsinites seem more proud than Californians to me, and for barely any good reasons.
Once again, it’s nice here but it’s not all that, especially if you’re not white.
I wish I could "Like" this twice. Thank you, Kyle. It had to be asked.
I have lived in the Pacific Northwest all my life and consider California one of our group of five Pacific coast states. Sure, California was better blessed in terms of climate and geography, but we shared our culture, history and diversity. There was always a little envy, though and I think that recent politics weaponized that jealousy.
Hi Kyle. When I moved from CA, I heard three distinct dislikes expressed. 1) Too many people are moving here! 2) Everyone is coming with cash and driving up their housing prices, and 3) You are probably a liberal voter. For the record, my new home was more expensive than what I left. I also countered that those 40 million Californian's weren't all birthed by native Californian's. And, that influx of people you mentioned, "we" weren't happy with the increase in our home prices in California either. At first I hid my CA connection. Not anymore, because I have a right to move wherever I want in this country 🙂 And, yes, California was never, that I saw, hostile to newcomers.
Fuck California
That is one of the biggest things that I miss about southern Ca. They are NOT hostile to newcomers. People from the cities are not. Rural areas don't do well with newcomers. Like you said, you have a right to live anywhere in this country.
I travel to Florida for work from California. One time I went to a supermarket to buy smokes and they always say “oh California” immediately they ask “do you hate it here?” I say “no why would I?” Almost as if he was expecting me to say “yes”. The cashier was like “well I do” I just shrugged and shook my head. Everyone needs to chill out. Everyone has to find a scape goat
Retired now. Grew up in Oklahoma and deeply loved the natural world that once flourished there, but I asked questions and did not conform, and that was poorly tolerated. I spent most of my adult life in coastal California and Sacramento, then in Oregon, with two additional intervals in Oklahoma. Both times back in Oklahoma, I literally had to leave the state to save my life. I hope I never go back. It's a culture of belief, not of questioning, not of thought. If you're there, they assume you believe as they do. Uh-oh! Decades ago, E. K. Gaylord, then the owner of what is now the state newspaper, stated his intention to turn Oklahoma into a bastion of Republicanism. He twisted and omitted facts to achieve his goal. I grew up in an Oklahoma increasingly cut off from the reality of the rest of the world. Moving to California, I loved that they were free to laugh at what, in Oklahoma, only induced fear and anger. Californians were open-minded and curious, a breath of fresh air. And, when I returned to Oklahoma, I met Californians seeking work who had to make false résumés to even get job interviews in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma employers wouldn't interview them if they submitted a résumé indicating they'd worked in California, no matter how qualified they were. And, back in California, the natives were always shocked to learn I was from Oklahoma - because I didn't fit the "Okie" stereotype. Unfortunately, there are still plenty of Oklahomans who do fit the stereotype, and the state is frequently in the national news because they're so shocking. Their current governor, Kevin Stitt, a lover of the death penalty, is on record that he hopes to make Oklahoma a home for conservatives, and that anyone liberal should go elsewhere. Meanwhile, Oklahoma races to the bottom in measures of human development. Repeatedly, when telling me someone was "liberal," the Oklahomans would lower their voices to a quick whisper, as if "liberal" were an obscenity. Their minds were closed to anything they believed was different. Hostility towards Californians is probably coming from closed minds.
We are ONE COUNTRY.
People move all over the US to improve their lives.
Sad to see how politics have trapped people’s brains.
100% 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 The whole country is your home!
True too and don't forget US territories like Guam, Saipan, US Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico and American Samoa.
i get that some states feel like a different country when you enter but, so many Americans act like youre some strange foreigner when you leave a region and go to another. ESPECIALLY, with Californians, as long as theyy dont talk like a Kardashian , then i dont care.
That is dismissive of the locals being priced out by rich Californians
@@useyurhed you’re an idiot
Great commentary, Kyle. It's truly frustrating how much ignorance and unfocused hostility there is out there.
If anything, people think being from California is exotic, living on the beach and knowing movie stars. A lot of my conversations are about telling people the rest of the state is more than Hollywood, Disney, and the beach. And I see it as a great privilege to talk about the homeland and all of its quirky parts! People are certainly curious and eager to learn more.
Yeah the reaction I get when I tell people I moved to California is "oh you must be rich now, live in Beverly hills, hang out on the beach all day" while in reality I live in a podunk desert town. So there is a distortion of what California is that I think mostly comes from movies.
@@josephdutton36 I think a lot of people don't realize how big California is. From San Diego to the Oregon border is something like a 15 hour drive. We don't all live on the beach or in Hollywood. We have deserts, mountains, valleys, farmland. A little bit of everything. It was a great state until the last 15 years or so.
LoL really?! WTF that is so strange they would think that!
I’m 57 years old I was born and raised in Southern California we Californians never complained about all the people from other states moving in.We always welcome them.
Except for the 'Zonies in the winter time driving around being tourists while you're trying to do your daily chores! Damn Zonies! ;)
Not true you all would treat North Dakotans like garbage I bet
Tf😂😂@@IbukiMiodaa24
@@creamy3803 California is EASILY the worst state in the US don't test me.
@@IbukiMiodaa24 it's Mississippi. Nice try 😏 😁🤣😉.
I'm from the East Coast and live in CA, my only complaint about CA cities (namely SF and LA, but to a certain degree SD) is really the infrastructure
Nobody can deny the cultural and food heritage of any of these cities, and are probably the most diverse in the country if not the world - all of these cities cater to a bunch of different personalities and ethnicities, and the homeless problem is not a uniquely Californian problem, it's a "large center of population" problem and exists in many places (you can argue that Europe does it better, in which case it's just an American problem, so don't put the burden on just CA)
But basically my main gripe with these cities is that you are damned to get anywhere if you don't have a car, but even if you do you're still punished because everyone else has a car
I'm not saying that public transportation would dramatically improve these cities, but these are the expectations and standards I believe these international cities should be at
sf proper has pretty good public transport
My whole family is from CA from before it was a state. There is NO way in hell the cultural and food heritage of CA compares in any way to the east coast. The east coast has way more cultural heritage and food diversity than CA.
Yea, Southern California and basically much of the US needs better public transit, biking, and walking friendly options within at least the largest 50 cities. These means have been know to be better for the environment (less emissions, noise), safer for the people (fewer accidents), and keeps the commuter more active and healthy throughout the day (as opposed to sitting in a car). (And that’s coming from me, who loves driving, because sitting in traffic every day is not enjoyable. By reducing driving, I actually enjoy when I need to drive.)
In San Francisco proper it's quite easy to live without a car and a ton of people do. MUNI and BART in the City are very effective and have decent ridership. The layout of the rest of the cities in California is due to "Influence" from auto and gas industries to spread everything out and design cities for "automobility". But cities are slowly pushing back on it all and I think the future's looking pretty bright on that front.
Well I live I vancouver and we can give San Fran a run for their money in terms of homelessness and addiction in the streets
California is such a vast and diverse state, I don't think that there is a such thing as a stereotypical "Californian". I'm from rural Illinois and was stationed at Vandenberg AFB for four years. When traveling to southern California, I found that there was generally a very snobbish attitude towards outsiders. But when traveling to the central valley, I found the people to be generally very friendly and with the flat land and farms, I felt right at home.
Yeah, I get the same vibe. LA and the Bay Area are snobs cut from the same cloth, but places like Fresno and Bakersfield seem cool.
@@Josh1888USUgo aggies
Uh oh, don't bring that up! I moved from Texas to Cali about 12 years ago and encountered almost unanimous hatred of Texas from Californians, but we wouldn't want to challenge the narrative that all hatred goes in one political direction, would we?
@@JakeKoenigIt definitely goes both ways.
Being from Southern California I can confirm your comment as correct... with a few notable exceptions people from Central Valley California are generally friendly also hardworking
Current Utahn who used to live in Boise. With the cost of living skyrocketing, particularly home prices, it’s easy to make a lazy generalization about Californians moving out here and boosting rent for everyone. Times are hard, and as a 30-year-old trying to save up for a down payment, it’s scary looking at prices and wondering if you’ll ever actually get there. So people read an article about how Californians make up the largest portion of people moving here and it’s easy to blame them.
I’m 65, from the Seattle area, so I’m from one of the original “Californians Go Home” places in the country. In hindsight, I think it’s more about the world’s population increase than anything else. I used to hate on Californians with the best of them, but really, it’s the perception that people from “out-of-state” made “our friendly little town” into something too big and unwieldy. For Washington in the 70s and 80s, that was Californians. I don’t think I ever worked anywhere in 35 years where there were more than 50% Washington-born employees. People move around, but in general, it’s population growth. There’s about 150 million more people in this country than there were 60 years ago, and they have to live somewhere. Somebody in the comments before me talked about the percentage of the population of California moving around being a lot more than the percentage of people moving from Wyoming, and I’m all in on that. Sometimes simple math gives big insights into complex questions.
I was raised in San Diego and now live in the Seattle area. I moved up for work. My job involves traveling to other states regularly, and when I'm in places like Montana, Alaska and funnily enough, even Los Angeles and people ask me where I came from, I say Seattle. The response is often "oh, I'm sorry." I guess it's all in the perspective.
I’m getting the same thing lately. (We moved to Kansas 5 years ago.) I always had jobs where I often talked to people in other parts of the country. 40 years ago it was “do you have indoor plumbing and aren’t you worried about Indian attacks?” 🙄 20 years ago it was “it’s so beautiful, I visited/my cousin visited/my friend moved up there.” But in the past three or four years it’s been “I’m sorry, bet you’re glad to get out of there.” In my experience, it’s the result of too many people in a too-small area. Geographically, there’s no room to expand, and it’s gotten crazy. None of that is why we moved, btw. We’d been living near Mt Vernon, which is far enough out that Seattle is too far to go anyway. Like everybody else, I always just say Seattle because it’s the only city people know.
@@auntietara Yeah, I don't actually live in Seattle. I am in Gig Harbor. I say Seattle to avoid the inevitable conversation of where is that? I know where Mt. Vernon is as my daughter lives in Blaine, so I pass through when I visit her. IMO, I feel most of the hatred towards both Seattle and California (and I'll preface by saying most of the hatred towards California is directed towards Los Angeles and San Francisco) is due to the politics. When I think of any of those places, what pops into my mind is rampant homelessness, rioting and the government turning a blind eye. None of them are the quiet towns they once were, and Hollywood didn't help. But hey, if you're homeless, what better place to be in America than the West Coast, with Its temperate climate?
@@auntietara BTW Kansas eh? I'm sorry.
😂 I’m actually surprised at how much I like Kansas. We live just SW of Kansas City, just outside Overland Park. Everything we need is within a 5-mile radius. It’s lovely!
Born and raised in SoCal. I've lived in Illinois, Tennessee, and now Indiana. I'm very proud of where I am from - just the same way Texans, Hoosiers, and Southerners are proud of where they are from. I still wear all my Dodgers hats, I whip out rainbow sandals in the summer, and will tell people I'm from California. I'm not ashamed of my roots or my culture - cause that's what has helped make me into the person I am. I don't go around telling people that California is better. Honestly Cali has a lot of issues - the same way every other place I've lived in has issues. Every place has something unique to share - we just have to be open to experiencing it with open arms.
Congrats!
Just because other places have issues too doesn't mean they are not better. California has MORE issues than other states. While it has some good features, to most people there are better places to live, that's why it is losing population and people are leaving to better states. I am from SoCal too. You shouldn't be proud or ashamed of where you are from, because it doesn't matter. Be proud of what you've done, not what you've been given. There are definitely parts of my personality that are pretty Californian, and I wouldn't hide where I'm from either, but it doesn't really matter. What matters most is where you're heading. Are you proud to live where you do NOW, and why? The reason a lot of people hate Californians is because they are often prideful, even after moving to other states. If you're going to live somewhere new, you should be more proud of where you are now than before. If you don't prefer that new location, why did you move? It makes no sense to be prideful of where you are from if it isn't where you want even want to live. I'm proud to be American, because I think the U.S. is a great place to live. I'm not proud or ashamed to be from California, because it is not a great place to live. I'm proud to now live in Tennessee, because I think it is a great place to live. Makes no sense to bring pride from somewhere you don't live anymore. Key reason why people don't like Californians moving to their state.
I see lots of California elitists online trashing people from other states calling them hillbillies or backwards. I also see them talking bad about places that are in the interior of the country as being boring. They often use the phrase “I’d rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona” or fill in the blank with another state. I say this as a person born and living in California now.
As a Californian, I also notice this tendency and really dislike it. It really turns me off, and it’s made me understand why people don’t like us as a whole. One of the reasons I’d like to leave California IS because of this snobbery… Californians (who are not eager to move) do think they are better and that their state is superior, and they are not sorry. There’s no humility. Granted, not all Californians are the same, and the rest of the country doesn’t understand that there’s SO MANY Californians that are NOT the typical liberal elitist, and that it’s mostly not those types of Californians that are moving.
I’ll pay the price of being a disliked Californian in exchange for leaving these Californians they complain about!!
Thankfully for me, I am not from SoCal, nor from the bay area, so maybe if people are open-minded enough, they can learn that not all Californians are what they think.
You make a great point and I know exactly what you are talking about. I have lived in the Los Angeles area my entire life, 57 years. I have a friend here and she truly believes that virtually everybody in some other part of the country is some redneck or hillbilly out the film Deliverance. In addition, she is not the only person here in California that has a thought process similar to this. I have come to hate California and would love to get out. Yet, leaving would mean my wife leaving her family. I used to be a Dodgers, Lakers and Rams fan. Yet, now I have even begun to hate these sports teams because they represent this place. I could say more on the subject but I will keep it short.
I live in SoCal, and the majority of people I come into contact with are far from elitist. We are just hard-working folks making a living and trying to have a good life. I don’t imagine it might be any different in Iowa, Alabama or Vermont. People everywhere have similar needs, and where we live shouldn’t matter. A place to lay your head, family and friends, a good job, etc…that’s the good life to me!
Same here but I live in Solano County, CA the outer suburban areas of Sacramento and San Francisco. I notice some of the snobbery is also directed at Sacramento. I notice other parts of California like to scapegoat the Sacramento area when it comes to how water rights are handled. Also Sacramento gets scapegoated because some of these snobs like Tim Draper and his allies because they didn't get their way when it came to splitting the state apart all to hype up a utopia.
The most disgusting thing about California are the astronomical gas prices
It explains why 25% of new cars sold recently in California are electric. 50% in San Francisco.
@@danielcarroll3358it’s the tax on gas, all states collect approximately the same tax revenue, they just do it in different ways. My property taxes are 1100 a year
@@bilwillard9810 As someone who has worked in Germany I have to smile. Not that I have had to worry about gas tax. I have worked in four countries and five states and never had need for a car. It's a simple way to increase your spendable income by $1,000 a month.
Thank you the video. As a born and raised Californian, it's so annoying seeing other states make the same assumptions and follow the media assuming it's all because of the liberals and this and that. It's always going to be a much more complex topic and can't be taken at face value.
Spot-on analysis. Mob mentality is a trait of human nature. As is jealousy.
I don't think anyone who hates Californians is in any way based on jealousy as you infer. Dream on with that one. Maybe less than 1%
Yeah I'm not jealous of everything being unaffordable
The only thing nice I can see about California is the climate, and I live in Florida. No jealously, I just want you 'people' to stop trying to destroy the country with your insanity.
if there was jealously people would be moving to California, not out of it. Google which states are gaining and which ones are losing population. California is losing population. Must be jealously huh?
@@dansands8140there are so many things that liberals do that piss me off. There are so many things that conservatives do that piss me off too. I hate how it’s come down to hearing one idea from a person and automatically assume they believe x, y and z. You can’t have discussions when so many assumptions are made.
I'm a transplant from Massachusetts and have been living in California since 2007. I would say that your assessment of this is spot on!
If you go to California and ask people (not tourists, but folks that reside there) where their from, you'll find a HUGE amount of people from all over the country. I strongly agree with your assessment of this particular ideation.
Well that's kind of what California preaches though isn't it? Whereas by contrast the states that Californians tend to move to most definitely do not preach that.
I'm from rural, Trump-country upstate New York. When I was an over-the-road truck driver and spoke to people just about anywhere I went, when they found out I was from New York, their faces clouded over, and their disappointment was quite palpable, especially in the South. It was almost as if I told them I had leprosy.
Should have said upstate NY and you probably would have gotten a different reaction
Donald Trump is from New York. Rudy Giuliani is from New York.
I always say I'm from rural central New York state. I learned whenever I said New York, people assumed nyc.😮 there's way more to New York than the city. In fact upstate New York was recently voted in top 10 most enchanted places to see by National Geoghraphic!!
all states hate New York the most
@@yvonneconte3040 Heck, rural California can be nice as well. The Sierra Nevada and the Jefferson region are nice places to visit.
As a native Californian, I will never leave this state. I love it here, and I wouldn't ever move. And, the more people move, the lower the cost of living is here. All good things!
California is really the most amazing land in maybe the world, it is awesome and so many things to do.
As a resident of CA, do they high taxes bother you? Seems like that is really the only negative.
Congrats same here as a Native Californian too!
@@johnedward5520 Nope, taxes don't bother me at all. If I lived somewhere else I would be making less and paying less taxes, which sounds like a wash to me.
I'm sure others would feel differently, but I am more concerned about where my taxes are going and why the wealthy aren't paying enough of them, rather than me worrying about me paying too much. Just my opinion on it. :)
Great stay there thank you!!!!!
100% agree with you. I emigrated here from the UK at a young age and wouldn’t ever leave this state. I have a home in a neighboring state and travel all the time. Other states are okay some are tolerable but nothing is like California.
I was a kid back in 1972, visiting my uncle in Pensacola, Fl. We were fishing with one of his co-workers who had moved there or as I found out, was transferred there from Los Angles. Being young and inquisitive, I asked him why. He said that the abbreviation Calif. meant Come And Live In Florida.
What's interesting is that when I visit abroad, I get treated a lot better when I tell people I'm Californian compared to when I tell people I'm American.
Another little anecdote too: I moved to Texas for a couple years, and I was eating smoked brisket and drinking Lone Star with someone, when I joked, "I guess I'm a Texan now." He, in all serious, looked me dead in the eye and said, "No. You'll never be Texan." I cannot ever imagine a Californian saying that to someone who moved to California, that they could never be a Californian.
There are Texans who still want to believe they're an independent Republic.
@@BDUBZ49 There are Californians who believe they are an independent Repbulic as well.
Well he ain't wrong you weren't born thier
I'm a California who moved back to the south about a decade ago. I originally came here in 93 as a teen but moved back to LA when I turned 18 and then came back south. I honestly think it was mostly due to Trump and the hyper polarization that he brought, turning us not into America but red vs blue warring factions. This was already brewing for years but it REALLY accelerated under Trump. California being the biggest blue state became the target of hate for the right. Prior to about 2016 nobody here in Tennessee gave a shit that I was from California. I was treated no different than if I'd said I was from Georgia or Wisconsin. I'd very much say that this California hate started at about the time Trump took off. And I don't think that's just coincidence. People now say shit like don't bring your failed California politics to Tennessee. Yet nobody would ever say to a West Virginia transplant don't bring your failed West Virginia politics to Tennessee. It's all really lame. Edit - I also think the rising price of housing has a lot do with people being more unwelcoming than they were in the past. There are a lot of reasons housing prices have gone up so much nationwide, I'd put most the blame on the fed holding interest rates too low for too long and causing an asset bubble. But layer the politics on top and Californians are scapegoated for why people can't afford a home. The same way some people blame immigrants for their problems.
Don't forget there's here in Sacramento we seem to notice Florida Governor Ron Desantis keeps getting played into California politics because Desantis whines about "Wokeism" related to policies in Downtown Sacramento and its meant to get Newsom to Respond.
But then again Downtown Sacramento gets used in conspiracy theories during election season.
"... moving out of California (are) Cory & Caitlin and their kids, Aiden, Brayden, Kayden and maybe Hayden." 😝 lol!
As one who lived in Santa Cruz for many years, you make me laugh. . . .Having travelled around the West and Europe in recent years, I've never had a bad reaction when I proudly say I'm from California. I think conservative America hates California because they're jealous of our varied natural beauty, jealous of perceived wealth, and of our climate (they don't know how cold it can get near the ocean when the fog rolls in!). These people like to believe that we all live in Santa Barbara and drive Lambourghinis, hahaha.
Growing up in Oregon in the '70s, there was even back then a fear of California developers overwhelming the state and ruining its natural beauty. A popular bumper sticker read "Don't Californicate Oregon". So yeah, people are afraid of our numbers. But the truth is, in 2020, 7 of 10 people leaving San Francisco stayed in the Bay Area, and 2 of 10 went to SoCal, so we're not overwhelming anyone.
Being the largest state, the biggest economy, and the media capital, California is, for better or worse, larger than life. Many people hate "Hollywood", but they love the movies. They hate our liberal politics, but they love to come west to drive around and see the sites. So I think its really more of a love/hate than just out and out dislike that many people feel for California.
I also found that saying I'm from California when I was traveling or studying abroad had a better reaction than if I said I was American. Especially true during the Trump years..
Totally! Fair or foul, California itself is a brand, and overseas, the image is strictly from movies, music, fashion, etc. In their minds, California is the coolest place ever!
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I hate telling people from other states I'm from CA. I grew up in the Modoc/Lassen region and have lived in Shasta and Trinity. Lived in the north state my whole life. We're so far removed from what people typically associate with California, it's not even funny. It might as well not even be part of the rest of CA. The biggest industries in the areas where I've lived is timber, cattle and farming.
But tell someone you're from this state and they AUTOMATICALLY think L.A. or the Bay Area. It's like no...this is a HUGE state with lots of different regions, and there's a hell of alot more to it than just the big city culture. But they don't quite grasp that usually, because it's so hardwired in them that they're "supposed" to hate our state. Get over that stupid crap already.
About 7.7 million people have left California since 2010. If they had made a new state it would rank 14th in population in the US. States like Montana, S. Dakota, or N Dakota might get 1 or 2% 70 to 100K of them which represents 10% of their total population. States like AZ and NV are more likely locations, 300 k would be considerable chunk. I am conservative Californian but my politics would still skew to the left in some states. It is the volume and the politics.
Ok I'm calling you out. You completely made that 7.7 million number up. It's more like 1 million. And states like MT and SD are not getting hundreds of thousands of people incoming. Montana grew by a total of 95,000 people over the entire 2010s, most of whom were born there to Montanans, not transplants. And a conservative Californian is a conservative everywhere.
As a liberal, I would love to see liberals in coastal states spread into the interior. I have a huge problem with the way the electoral college and senate unfairly distributes power in this country. If liberals are clustered in a smaller number of high population coasts on the states, that really screws us politically because it makes the senate way to the right of the median voter and puts the thumb on the scale for Republicans in presidential elections via the electoral college. There actually NEEDs to be more liberal people moving inland. It's great for our democracy. As Bill Maher has said, if there are 2 Dakotas there should be 15 Californias.
I think it is a culture war thing, and I don't mean just red vs blue one.
California sorta developed on its own isolated from the rest of the US. The combo of rockies & deserts inhibited cultural exchange letting California develop more independently. So Californians have a sorta "other"/uncanny valley vibe.
I agree. And for whatever reason as humans we’ve evolved to get extremely uncomfortable around people that are not the same as us.
My daughter moved to SF and I was sad until I spent time there and just felt so welcomed and easy. I find the people to be kind. The natural beauty is breathtaking.
I have noticed the people who snark on California have no experience of it and are mostly repeating someone elses conclusions.
At the top of my list of states that I would not feel safe in is Idaho, too many guns and psychos.
I think politics is the biggest factor right now. If you check out the comments section of local news stations/stringers in California you'll see tons of California hate talk from conservative Californians themselves, and their reasons for commenting are always centered around politics.
Yes, Nancy Pelosi seems like a favorite target for conservative vitriol, so I think they expand their hatred to the entire state she represents.
You think liberal Texans don't hate the rest of Texas? I live in Austin. Do you have any idea how many people here despise their own state because it's mostly conservative? Or how many other US states think Texas is the worst state in America? You think all the hate only goes in one direction? I realize everyone thinks they are on the virtuous team and that the other side does all of the bad things, but that is the mentality of a small child.
@@JakeKoenig Thank you for putting a ton of words in my mouth.
@@dennisc6716 You brought up politics as the main reason for the California hate and then specifically blamed it all on conservatives. I guess none of the 30 million liberal Californians hate their state, right? Even though hundreds of thousands of them have moved out of it recently.
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I just called it like it is.
@@JakeKoenig Because that's what it is in those comments. You tried to make this about other states. Check this video's title again and have a nice day. Or not, I really don't care.
I lived in Colorado for 35 years, then moved to California for 18 years recently moved to Ohio. I left California because I could no longer afford to live there considering retirement soon. The taxes and real estate are outrageous. I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio, I now have 5 wooded acres. I don’t miss the population, I don’t miss 110° weather, I don’t miss wildfires, I don’t miss drought and I don’t miss the crime. When I moved to Ohio I told my wife on the second day that we need to go get Ohio license plates for our cars so that we would not get our car vandalized at shopping centers with California license plates. And yes I have had the same reactions from people here in Ohio when they find out I lived in California. I very rarely tell people that I lived in California usually if they ask, I say I am from Colorado but Lately that has been getting the similar reaction since Colorado has moved politically to the right and the cost of living is very similar as well.
"I am a conservative and moved to a conservative state and I’m very happy here in rural Ohio"
After the votes this past week on legalizing recreational marijuana and enshrining abortion rights in the state's constitution...please...Ohio is not conservative!
@@BearWaller crazy times
@@BearWaller the large liberal populations in the big cities have outnumbered the conservatives at the polls. Two issues of importance to liberals on one ticket is a win for both
Colorado has moved to the right? No, Colorado used to be a red state, but has turned into a blue state, so I don't know what you're talking about.
As a Canadian… I think there is a common belief (myth-conception?) held by a lot that Californians are superficial.
I believe people see the snapshot of rich and famous southern Californian people ie Hollywood, LA and stereotype the rest of the state from this viewpoint. Another example of this would be New York City doesn’t represent the rest of the state at all.
Also San Jose and San Francisco could be thrown in for everybody thinks NorCal People are Venture Capitalists, Sacramento is like the West Coast Branch of Capital Hill. However there's the "Regular People" that are not on the news all the time like people that live in Solano County, California but their jobs are in either Sacramento or San Francisco.
Californian are quiet and yes they do stay to themselves. Sir, your video is excellently put. Well done.
I'm a third generation native of San Diego. My great grandparents moved with their sons from Nebraska to San Diego in the 1910's before giving birth to my grandmother in 1923. I broke that chain in 2000 though, when my husband and I decided to follow a job opportunity in Virginia. I haven't encountered any hate just for being Californian, and I even wear clothing with "San Diego" printed on it. It also never occurred to me to complain about how things are here in Virginia and say it should be like California. At least not outside my family and close friends. I do miss the more open-minded political atmosphere of southern California. And I do complain about having to drive in snow.
Fellow former San Diegan here! (East County, Lakeside.) My husband and I decided to move us and our two kids to Arizona six years ago, and it was one of the best decisions we could have ever made for our family. I hear Virginia is lovely! Cheers!
People complain that Californians bring their high housing prices to other states but let’s not forget that it is demand that drove those prices up in CA in the first place. I grew up in what was a small beach town in SoCal. My family moved there in 1920 and bought houses for a couple thousand dollars. It’s now 200,000+ people and a million & a half buys you a run of the mill tract house. Still, all the new comers love it there and the old timers lament how it was ruined by the crowds. In my lifetime (in my 50’s) CA has doubled in size from 20M to 40M people. There are plenty of folks in CA who also long for the old days before it seems like all the Texans, New Yorkers, Virginians, and Tennesseans moved here. But thats also the beauty of America. We migrate to new lands, new opportunities, and cultures and ideas are shared.
I have lived in lots of places throughout the west, including California, and I have encountered the California hate all over. I have never understood why. I'm no sociologist, but it may be a holdover from the early days of the Union. The states were more autonomous and the people viewed themselves primarily as Ohioans, or Kentuckians, for example, and as Americans secondly. There's an inherent clannishness to that way of thinking. Add to that the current trend toward increasing tribalism, there's a corresponding increase in mistrust of outsiders. After that long-winded spiel, it still doesn't explain why everyone seems to pile onto Californians. Maybe it's a numbers thing. There's more Karens and Kens in California, merely because there are more people in California. And, then, again...I could be completely full of BS!
You're onto something there.
I think that people who hate on Californians mostly hate on people from the Bay Area and don’t understand the difference.
I moved from Texas to Los Angeles back in 2010 (and moved back to Texas a year later), and most people in Cali had a pretty negative opinion of Texans too. Kyle (and a lot of other people) seem to think this "California hate" doesn't work in reverse, but it definitely does. Pretty much every blue state thinks Texas is the worst state in America. But I won't hold my breath for a "Why do so many people hate Texans?" video anytime soon.
Funny; after I posted this, I started thinking about it, and I thought that Texas is probably the state next most likely to be hated. Texans have that whole Texas Republic thing, the only state to ever be an independent nation. I wonder if that factors into it at all.@@JakeKoenig
@@JakeKoenigmost Californians really aren't walking around thinking about Texas or Kentucky or Tennessee. They're just going about their lives. If someone from a red state is in California nobody really cares. There's much more of a live and let live culture in California. Californians generally just mind their own business. Neighbors are not going to ask what church you go to or what you do for a living. I've never even had an issue with nosey neighbors while living in California.
Being from Idaho where we have seen a large influx of Californians, the biggest complaint that I hear is the "Californication" of our state. Idahoans have always lived in different ways than people from California. Idahoans see that way of life slowly being eroded. Boise looks more and more like California every day. This influx has also caused property values to skyrocket here, making homeownership out of reach for many natives of Idaho, who live on lower incomes. Someone from California can sell their small home in California for say, $600k and purchase a very nice home here for that price, which creates an affordable housing crisis. Not the fault of Californians, but the effect of the influx of Californians on the natives. which causes some of the bitterness.
So no one should be allowed to move to Idaho if they don't conform to arbitrary ideals? Was there concern over the "Mormonification" of Idaho? That changed the culture of Idaho substantially. Before the Mormons, Idaho was mostly wilderness and forestry and living off of the land. Now it's suburbs, SUVs, sterile neighborhoods, chain restaurants, and traffic jams. That's not Californians, that's Idahoans themselves. Plus, Idaho is heavily dependent on California for tax subsidies. If they don't want Californication, they can send the money back. California could fix a lot of problems with those Idaho subsidies, and Idaho would then have the problems they complain about California having. I'd say more than any other state, Idaho bites the hand that feeds it.
@@GeographyKing I'm not saying that's how I feel, I'm just stating just how many here see Californians that move here. I know that you don't behave in certain ways, but there is good reason why people aren't exactly happy with the influx of people from California. It's not just made up out of whole cloth. I am not a Mormon, but I grew up with them. Mormons have been here for well over 100 years, so the Mormon culture is well-established here.
I'm from Northern CA, and your video on "California's Norther Third" is excellent. I share with all my out of state friends. Because "my California" is no different then the rest of the US. I dislike the "disneyfication" of the rest of the US as much as everyone else. My home town, Lakeport CA has no chain restaurants, no corporate bars, none of that. If you want real America its still in CA. I normally shock strangers out of state and hear things like "I'm surprised your so normal." I'm sorry not all of California is LA or SF.
Not all of SF is “SF” ;)
Slightly off topic: I spent twenty years working outside of the US and traveling a lot. I found it useful to say I was from California rather than from the USA. You got treated better and people were more interested in you. Something I would say about California was that it is bigger than you think. Its north end is north of southern Canada and its southern end is more south than Casablanca.
I've done that as well. Internationally, being "from California" wins you more points than being "from the US"
@@GeographyKingwhy?
So people overseas don’t know that California is in the us?
Welcome to the club. I never knew people hated Texas until I joined the Military and was subjected to the hate for my state. Misconception about the people here is the main reason just like what you’re talking about Californians.
Maybe you joined the military when "Full Metal Jacket" came out? F Lee Ermey's Marine drill sergeant character said "so you're from Texas, all they have are steers and queers, which one are you?" WOW !
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So glad you made this video! I live in NC and I hear these complaints all the time and I'm so sick of it. For one thing, people trash on California here in NC, like it's some kind of hellhole. I have family in Monterrey and I've been there as well as San Fran, Santa Cruz and Big Sur and I can tell you those places are gorgeous. The cities, the weather, and the natural environments that I've been to are perfect. The only issues I see with California are the high cost of living and the issue of homelessness but I know that the reason for the homelessness is the cost of real estate there. NC cities have a lot of issues with homelessness as well. Wilmington, where I once lived, is now one of the most expensive cities in the state to live in and the cost of living keeps rising, while the wages remain low. All of those factors have led to a huge rise in homelessness. Of course all the people there blame transplants, even though it's local developers and the local government that are the ones causing the problems. They want endless growth but they don't want to pay for the infrastructure necessary to facilitate that growth, which leads to housing shortages and insane traffic. Asheville is probably the place where I hear this complaint the most, especially in terms of politics. I keep hearing from people who've never even lived in Asheville how the liberals have taken it over and ruined it. All I can say is, I lived in Asheville in the 80's and 90's and it was liberal then as well. As long as I have been alive, Asheville was never a conservative town. If anything, there were more hippies living in Asheville in the 80's and 90's and now it's mostly yuppies. A lot of right-wing Southerners just simply can't process that there are Southern liberals and they've been around for quite a while. Asheville and Chapel Hill have been notorious liberal strong holds for at least 50 years now. 20 years ago, North Carolina was considered a purple state, it voted for Obama in 2008. Now NC consistently votes Republican. Even though it was a slightly left leaning state by Southern standards when I was growing up, that's definitely not the case now. Many of the cities of NC have been liberal as long as I can remember. I went to school in Charlotte and when I was in school there, there was a law that made sure all the public schools had a large amount of racial diversity. This was a law enacted as far back as the 70's because of a court case called Swann vs. Charlotte Mecklenburg schools. The law stated that, not maintaining racial and economic diversity in schools was unconstitutional. That sounds pretty damn liberal to me. The law was actually overturned in the 21st century and the word is that Charlotte public schools are far more segregated by race and class now than they were 30 years ago. The only complaint that is legitimate is that the huge burst in population has hurt working and middle class locals. As you mentioned in your video, this is mostly the fault of city and state leaders who are not interested in doing things like investing more in housing and transit or raising wages to accommodate the increased cost of living.
California has its faults but people in NC tend to be very small minded.
Great to see you again Kyle🤟🏿😎
I’m 79, Californian for life. I do remember the bumper sticker “Welcome to California, now go home” from a while ago, Kyle.
Interesting ! I am a Michigander. We have four distinct seasons. Winter is long and cold but also beautiful. The californians i know that have moved here always complain about the weather. It is so much sunnier, warmer, nicer and prettier in Ca. Than in Michigan according to them. Michiganders like the seasonal changes. One Californian i know says that everything looks better in Ca. Ive been to Ca and while it is a beautiful state, i love the abundance of fresh water we have here and the natural beauty of Michigan is dear to my heart. Everyone loves their home state and that is why no one likes to hear others trash it. Californians that i have known do seem to feel Ca. is superior. Thats just human nature
midwest weather can be quite a shock to native Californians... our "winters" seldom dip below 60 degrees.
I don’t hate Californians, and I certainly don’t hate anyone for having lived somewhere else at a point in time. If there is any complaint I have about California, it is the media coverage of its residents’ plight: property values are too high, it’s so dry because of climate change that homes are at constant risk of wildfire, but if it rains, there’s a risk that floods could wash homes away; there are countless homeless people, but we have to feel sorry for them because, again, homes are too expensive, yet we also have to feel sorry for homeowners because they’re surrounded by homeless people.
I love the western states and simply don’t seem myself able to afford to live there; when I hear about all of these pleas for sympathy (not from individuals, but from the media), I think, why don’t people just move to a lower maintenance location? It may not be as beautiful, but we all have to make choices.
I’m fine with the regulatory work the state does with conservation, and personally wish more states did the same, but I can appreciate the views of more conservative people who resent the fact that companies steer nationwide products based upon the regulatory wishes of heavily populated CA, just as I appreciate the frustration of more liberal people who resent textbook companies catering to the cultural leanings of heavily populated TX.
To me, the "state hate" is so ridiculous. I lived all over the country. There are good things and bad things about every single place I have lived. I will say, I can't wait to move from where I currently live.
Where do you currently live?
If California is so great why don't they stay there
@@__-bz7wh I've lived here in CA all my life and intend to continue. Go ahead and live your non-Californian life where you please.
@@__-bz7wh some of us do.
@@__-bz7whpretty much entirely financial reasons.
I'm a Pennsylvanian who moved to Michigan 13 years ago to get my wife back home to her roots, as it was best for our children's schooling. She spent 3 years 1984-1986 away from Michigan in Southern California, and to an extent became an authentic Valley Girl. Many of her valued lifelong friends are the ones she made while "in the valley".
In 2016 we opened our home here in Michigan to two of her friends who were going to be homeless for up to 4 months because no one in their family/friend support network out there was willing to take them in temporarily. That short stay turned into 2 months shy of living with us for 5 years. Neither drives, he worked for a bit but is now disabled, and she has health issues too, but holds down a para-pro position at a high school helping challenged children. They remain liberal, they mostly wear their LA Dodger gear a lot of the time, and I try to empathize with them but after 7 1/2 years living in Michigan, and more often than not, they just don't display midwestern common sense, nor have they truly assimilated into Michigan. A third friend has moved from California and has some challenges, but she's employed and drives, and living with them makes our taxi service for them now a rare assisting favor.
I was the fiance who attended their wedding in which my to-be wife was a bridesmaid back in 2001, The four days in So Cal was enough for a lifetime.
Hate is a strong word for it, but let's just say even for a live-and-let-live libertarian, I just don't get Californians, and that's okay.
What does Midwestern common sense look like? As opposed to any other common sense, I mean.
Do most of your impressions of Californians comefrom these two people?
@@margefoyle6796 thank you for the reply. There is obviously no defendable way in which I can come away from my original remark with a satisfactory response. I am flawed and biased.
My baseline for the perception of common sense comes from my upbringing with my first four decades in rural Pennsylvania - back east. An area where the "Ridgerunners" tended to live and succeed by the process that made outsiders and especially "Flatlanders" from urbanized Southeastern PA's behavior look foolish.
By definition, common sense is "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts". Moving to the Midwest, on a whole, the majority of rural, suburban, and urban folks I encountered exhibit a baseline or better judgment than the average folks I grew up with.
I am sure there are plenty, millions in fact, of the residents of California who go about their lives, loving their families, just wanting to survive another day and make the most and best of their situation. However, the middle-of-the-scale Californian is dealing with, adapting to, and making the best of radically different circumstances than folks from fly-over country. So the common sense they apply can be quite viable and sensible, however, it seems foreign to my view. God bless them!
Yes, that 5-year experience with that couple clouds and messes with my bias, but the people I met on that 2001 visit, the people from California who have come across my path in PA, and MI, or when visiting elsewhere, and my media exposure over 50+ years. and consumption of nearly a century of multimedia content {from entertainment to news} created out of California also skews my perception. The regulatory choices made by the citizens of that state, or tolerated by the citizens there also appear sometimes to be odd and something I frankly wouldn't want to have to endure, so I open-mindedly just want to live and let live and coexist. ✌
@jeffreymosher6334 Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
In my understanding, common sense is experiential rather than cultural. Common sense is not putting your hand in the fire or driving while under the influence. So I'm still not sure what you mean. I will say that in the 4 years I lived in Michigan (1975-1979), I saw very little evidence of much common sense from teenagers my age who would grab on to the rear bumpers of vehicles to slide on the ice, engage in unprotected sex (they were considering opening a daycare in my high school when I left), and drink and drive regularly. Going back home to California while still in high school, I saw very little of that (just drinking). So common sense seemed less common in Michigan in my limited experience. (Don't even get me started on the behavior of the parents I babysat for.)
I am very intrigued by the media representation that skews your thinking. Most news companies are headquartered in New York, so you can't look at California for that. But yes, there is Hollywood. What in particular skews your perception of California in a negative way?
Lifelong Californian from Santa Cruz with family in the Midwest. I get this attitude all the time. Yes I wear my Niner, Warriors and Giants stuff and proudly tell people I’m from California. I love Ca. Why do people hate on us? Jealousy, ignorance, misconceptions and avid viewers of Fox tv. I find most people assume all of Ca is like LA based on television. If you live here you know it’s not. Probably most people consider whatever state they’re from home and think it’s better.
I can believe Miami can be liberal -up to a point.
But the level of liberalism/leftism would never fly
in Miami. The Cubans that wanted to escape communism would never tolerate the extreme leftists that want to push socialism/communism in the United States.
I have always wanted to compliment you on your good taste in music. Your collection of vinyl is similar to my own. From the Supremes to Iggy Pop and then some. That Fleetwood Mac LP behind you came out while I was at Ft Knox & we were able to see them in Louisville. I should mention I studied cartography. Keep 'em coming!
The day I saw the gizz record in the back was the day I knew Kyle had good taste
My friends back home in New England never believe me when I tell them Californians are far more friendly and accepting than most New Englanders.
Born and raised in Sacramento and have lived in Nashville 8 years. Very few people know I’m from CA. Totally closeted. Even though most parts of CA are leaps and bounds better than TN.
I'm with you on that.
If you are new to Nashville, many will assume you either from Illinois or California. I think more know than you think, especially if you don't hide your accent.
Wonderful video! I moved to Oregon awhile back, and was surprised to be hated even in that progressive state. Finding a job was the hardest; it seemed that all the employers were boycotting Californian workers. Thankfully, I was able to move back to California, and got back my old job without any hassle.
I moved to East TN from Southern CA. I've never had any problems, but a lot of people in the area that I have met are also from various other states. I will say that I'm from CA and no one has ever said anything negative to me. A lot of people born in the area find it fascinating, like all of CA is Hollywood or something lol.
Yeah we just won't associate with you as much as we would with native Tennesseans. The transplants tend to congregate in areas where a lot of other transplants are. Most of us don't care about California. The general consensus is that it can't be that great if y'all keep moving here.
@@docjw8914 it was great until about 25 years ago. Now it's hell on earth.
I worked in Idaho for three months as a travel nurse and I get the vibe that the whole “Go back to California thing” is just an ad nauseam catchphrase at this point. You see it on bumper stickers. T shirts. Even had a patient say to me “Why would you put on MSNBC!? Don’t you know where you are? Go back to California!” when I was turning on his television that was set to MSNBC from a previous patient. Mind you I am from Massachusetts
I also vaguely remember reading a statistic that there are proportionally more Idahoans moving to California than there are Californians moving to Idaho. Will definitely need double checking though as I don’t remember where I got this
That statistic is incorrect. Idaho had 26,887 residents who lived in California the previous year, whereas California only had 5,567 residents that lived in Idaho the previous year, according to 2022 US Census Bureau migration flows.
Idaho has 4.8 times Californians moving to it than California has Idahoans moving to it. Additionally, something you need to keep in mind is that many people move to a certain state, then move back to their home state a year or 2 later. So, not all of those people moving to California are actually native Idahoans.
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I'm glad you made this video, I see these kinds of comments everywhere online and even though I'm not from California (TN born and raised) it still irritates me, even if just for the fact that people have the right to move anywhere in this country they damn well please. Also I think that people should probably be mad about the lack of housing being built, instead of the people moving in.
This video has been out for a while - but I have lived in CA most of my adult life and mostly in the Bay Area. What is odd about this subject is that most of the people who I have known here were not from California originally! Many people leaving California are probably not from California!
When I was a kid, California was a shimmering vision of freedom. When I arrived there, it lived up to that image to some degree. I stepped out of the bus station and walked to Golden Gate Park. There were musicians jamming in the park, and one of them was Carlos Santana! When I rode a bus, someone stepped on the bus with a pizza and handed out slices to everyone. The bookstores were fantastic, the music fantastic, and walking in the city was magical. Thousands of young gays had come from small towns across the country, most of them recovering from horrible torments of persecution. They found freedom in California.
It's this image of freedom that Conservatives HATE passionately. California is demonized and denounced from every pulpit and every Republican political speech because it represents individual freedom, which they fear and hate.
You must not know any actual conservatives. We hold personal freedom To the absolute highest standard right next to God and family.
-Pro 2A
-Limited government
-free speech
-low taxes
-land ownership
Conservatives live for personal freedom
@@MrTourgeFlexington I've known vast hordes of Conservatives, and the idea that they support or promote individual freedom is absolute nonsense. If you have ever lived in a Communist dictatorship, you would understand that Conservatism in America is exactly the same as Communism in every way. Just like the Communists, Conservatives use every word to mean its exact opposite. When they say "freedom" they mean slavery. When they say "love" they mean hate. When they say "patriotism" they mean treason. The mentality of the Trumpie is that of the willing slave, yearning to be part of sleazy totalitarian dictorship. The only "ideals" that Conservatives strive for are cowardice, obedience. and ignorance.
Californians like you are what gives it a bad rep. You have drunk the liberal Kool-Aid my friend. I know many conservatives that don't hate anyone. I have NEVER heard anything negative from a pulpit. You have bought into the liberal talking points and 95% of them are lies. I won't say there are some haters. Every group has them, as we are seeing right now with the Israel/Palestine war. But it is attitudes like yours that would give people the wrong idea about California as a whole.
If, as you liberals say, it's so free why can't a conservative give a speech on a campus or in a park. IE: free as long as we agree with you and your likes.
hi Kyle. i found your channel during the pandemic. youre content rocks. thank you.
In my opinion:
Americans treat Californians like Europeans treat Americans. To hate or dislike a Californian is to hate or dislike Americans. Just like to hate or dislike Americans is to hate people. Stereotyping people is lame and shows low iq. Much love to my fellow Americans out west from Pennsylvania ✌️
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So interesting! I am one of those Californians that decided to live in the Midwest for several years. And yes, the culture was SO vastly different that I had a rough time finding my place there. I never complained that there was anything wrong with where I was living, but I did express that I missed my family and friends in California. I appreciated the culture I was in, but I didn't really feel comfortable. That's on me, not the location. I assume I would have had a similar experience if I'd moved to a different country without being prepared to adapt to that culture. I've since returned to California, and while I'm closer to my friends and family, I'm now trying to readapt to the culture here. While I might find circumstances trying, I'd never complain about someplace I live as I'm here by choice, and complaining just means I'm a jerk : )
I’ve lived in five states, and I got to California in 1983 and have been here ever since…it’s hands down my favorite! The weather, the diversity of people, culture, and landscape are the things I love the most. Plus I was lucky to buy a house back in the 80s which put me on the path to retirement security. My wife and I travel the country frequently, not just because we have four grandkids back East, but because every part of it has its wonderful qualities and people; and I generally find that people are friendly and give you respect if you give it back to them generously.
California represents a lot of political stances that people do not like in other states. Gun control, high taxes, excessive regulations, cartel crime, corruption, illegal immigration, etc. are what a lot of people think California personifies. Regardless of how accurate that is, California has a stigma that does not jive with the culture in other areas.
Apparently "cartel crime, corruption, illegal immigration" are "political stances" now. Because Californians are just sitting around saying, "You know what we around here? Some more corruption and crime." [hard eye roll]
I'm a political moderate that often criticizes certain political decisions here, but your take on it that anyone is pro-crime or pro-corruption is ridiculous.
The perception is that the policies that Californians voted for have allowed those conditions. No matter what the overall conditions are, people see the stories about tent cities of homeless, used needles in parks, human feces everywhere, and looting in San Francisco. I like California, but it has glaring flaws that makes it look a lot worse than it is.
I live in Idaho where many Californian have moved to and more longstanding Idahoans dislike Californians. I regularly hear directly from people across different generations who have lived in different parts of CA talk about how amazing CA was. When it's cold they talk about how they didn't have to deal with the cold in California. They talk about how much more there was to do and how beautiful the ocean or mountains were. So your point that no one is going around talking about how great CA is is definitely not true, at least in Idaho.
Also the home prices in the Boise area have definitely been driven up by Californians moving here. This is nice for some people who have owned for a long time, but for people trying to start families who don't have an expensive CA house to sell this is very discouraging. This has also caused homelessness to increase and brought some other problems. If CA folks (and others like WA and OR) hadn't moved to Boise in such droves the growth of the area could be more organic rather than frenzied.
As a Southern Californian, I think this sentiment also exists within California itself and is just a strain of a general urban vs rural phenomenon. I used to live in a more expensive area of the Inland Empire, and you'd often hear complaints of Angelenos moving to take advantage of cheaper housing and the cultural shifts it causes, and admittedly I've taken part in some of it too, though I realized that locals likely argued the same about my parents moving in 25 years ago. It also exists the other way around where the IE was wholesale stereotyped by LA or SD folk as a crappy place to live based on San Bernardino, Moreno Valley, or Hemet.
I've since moved to a small town in the Mojave (still within CA) for work, and I do see that my coworkers who've also moved here miss their homes in SF, SD, LA etc. and call this place crap, and I'm hard-pressed to not complain about it myself. Suburban and urban California are just chock full of things to do as a younger person. Even my IE hometown of 100k people had unique things that would be hard to find outside urban/suburban CA, authentic food from all over the world made by 1st-gen immigrants, Asian markets, and a Japanese-style arcade, recliner theaters etc. etc. yet there was once a time before I moved away where I complained it too was boring and dreamed of moving to sunny beach, temperate SD. Moving to a small town has given me a lot of perspective on both ends. I truly feel bad for the people in the desert town I live in now since you can see online their home getting a bad rap, despite the people being some of the nicest I've ever met especially as they know I'm a "city dweller" moving in. It's definitely been humbling and it is refreshing to not be in such a bustling, competitive area and the toxic personalities that come with that.
As a California transient..
The issue with CA is all political..
The geographic aspect of the state is amazing ...
Okay, I’m a baby boomer from upstate NY. I lived in the Bay Area from 1978 to 1981 for school, then moved to Northeast TN for a job. No one cared at all that i originated in a “liberal” state and moved from another “liberal” state. Things were much different then. East TN was moderately red, although no Democrat loudly proclaimed their political affiliation. I visited my friends in TN many times from 1981 till 2019 (the pandemic put a real damper on us 60-somethings traveling), and i did notice the general mood swinging to extreme conservatism. I agree with you, Kyle and some other commenters, that social media has a lot to do with divisions now. Since you’re pretty passionate about CA hate, how about eliminating the Karen hate from your own discourse? How did a girl’s name popular in the 1950’s and 1960’s become a pejorative? How would you like it if people referred to male “Karens” as “Kyles”, rather than “Kevins”? When i deal with Gen Z types, like when putting an order in at a counter service place, i have to use a pseudonym, because if i use my real name i seem to get veiled hatred. Let’s start solving our problem of demonizing others right there.
by min 4:10 there is mainly a mushy defensive argument that keeps getting repeated.
The people themselves are fine. I just don’t understand how someone could ever want to live under such big government politics
I find it so childish that people actually resent others just because of what piece of dirt they were born on.
I like California. It's a beautiful state, but of course has problems just like many places. Back in the eighties, I wanted to move to Southern California because of the climate and scenery. However, the expense even then was way too much. So, I live in a city with 4 seasons, and no water shortage issues, and it's much more affordable. But, I still love visiting California. I harbor no ill will to those Californians to move to our area. They seem to adjust fine and find the cost of living liberatiing.
Your first couple answers feel more anecdotal to your personal experience rather than based on evidence either way. I think that many associate Californians with pumping our culture and exporting that to the rest of the country and it is easy to blame a Californian you see for bringing that culture with them. I have wonderful Californian friends who complained we didn’t have In and Out Burger in Colorado or that the amusement parks weren’t as good as the ones in CA. This is my anecdotal experience. Additionally with 1 out of 10 Americans being Californian everyone knows someone there and often its the Californians visiting, not the ones staying, that complain the loudest that things aren’t like Cali.
I moved from California to Texas in 2005. At the time I had been prepared to dot my I’s and cross my T’s, thinking I’d be a cop magnet with California plates, and I did stay kind of closeted.
But that didn’t last long. I’ve always had a fairly balanced approach to how I present anything vaguely comparison-like, and I’ve always demonstrated that “actions speak louder than words” by just being me, which is not whatever preconceived notion lots of folks have about California. My politics don’t fit in either in California or Texas, so that part of it I just slough off rather easily. I have displayed a lot of California/western US bumper stickers as that’s where my heart is and I genuinely appreciate having grown up there, and I think that genuine approach goes a long way. I have received some snark, but nobody has vandalized my car, I’ve never felt discriminated against, and most folks have definitely not gone out of their way to belittle my place of birth.
I did move to New York a couple of years ago, a place I myself have held biases about. I don’t like it there and am not shy about saying so, but I’m also quick to point out local stuff I like when I actually like it. But I also don’t get any blank or dismissive looks just for being Californian, so my being less tactful is balanced out by the fact that NYers don’t really care that much.
Takeaways? Biases and jealousy are a part, but being genuine makes a fast impression and I’ve found all of the fear and much of the naysaying to be overblown.
As I always lead with, “There’s been some good and bad, and everywhere I’ve lived has been kind of a wash in that way.”
Current resident of California here. I like to express where I'm from, wherever I travel. But I do get different reactions. Within the United States, people will often express some kind of (negative) comment, usually along a political lens (conservatives complaining about California being too liberal). But whenever I travel overseas, most people think it's pretty cool that I come from California. That's been my experience.
Because they think living next to an ocean makes them enlightened
Most hate comes from ignorance.
Probably a little bit of everything, frankly. In Portland and Seattle there was definitely the element of "californians with bigger money/equity move here and price people out". In other parts of the US there's the "californians are super liberal and will change our politics."
i also think a big underline is that California still dominates media production (movies, shows, games) and so it's just going to be a lot more front-of-center in attention in terms of focus than Texans moving to other places.
My personal experience about California getting hated on pertains to the drastic difference in earning potential. People with California pay take that money and buy homes in cheaper states, which causes a lot of resentment among the "locals".
Very happy with your videos. Your recent California counties video was insightful and reminded me that I should make more use out of my CA State Parks pass and visit some of these areas.
I suspect that the “Californians are turning our state liberal” stereotype is alive because the only 2 states where it actually happened (in most states the Californians tend to be mixed or GOP leaning) are the 2 states that Californians started to move to en Masse the earliest (Colorado, and Oregon in the 90s,00s,10s), with one of those states now having one of the worst reputations in the country (Oregon) and the other one experiencing the most drastic political shift to the left in the entire country over the last 20-25 years (Colorado).
30 years ago Colorado was complaining about the conservative Californians moving in.
I’m from Houston and I think the political thing as well as the “Californian hate” thing are both overstated. Here it’s more the fact that southern culture and mannerisms are becoming extinct because of how quickly demographics have changed and California has been the #1 state people move from so the heat tends to be placed on Cali somewhat unfairly. Idk anyone who REALLY is just disgruntled to the core about it. Population shifts are as old as time.
The word "California" brings to mind several negative issues. One party rule state. Homelessness. Helpless. Government dependency. Anti-American culture. You can agree or not agree with the merits of the objects but you can't deny the reality of the experience.
California is far from government dependent. It is well documented that it subsidizes most other states. I live in Tennessee. One party rule. Highest crime rate state in the country. Massive government dependency. Anti-American culture. Way more poverty than CA. You can agree or not agree with the merits of the objects but you can't deny the reality of the experience.