Wow guys, deeply impressed about your philosophy. Having had TMIC challenges for many years on Subaru's I have been measuring Delta P(los) over the cores, but also the heat dissipation over time in case things heatsoaked (from which subaru engines deeply suffer with the TMIC being located straight above the Turbo). It appeared there was a direct relation between TMIC weight and time required to get rid of heatsoak after e.g. a stop at the traffic lights. Since heatsoak is more a public road issue then a race car issue (which will always have the required airflow to get rid of excessive heat built up) I am wondered if you guys backed this up by measurements. The core looks beyond fantastic with a lot of reasoning behind it, inhouse manufacturing of the HE itself (massive kudo's for that, they seem to have fantastic flow properties both for the CA as the CL) and really steps up the game compared to Wagner of CFS. My question would be how the weight translates to the standard one and if you managed to pull some data stock vs yours trying to cool an existing heatsoak of the system. That data would really be required to justify the rather stiff price levels you guys are offering this great upgrade at. Keep up the good work. Following for my M2 competition :)
Very curious on dyno results. Saw a dyno vid on the CSF intercooler for the S55, had decent power on the 1st dyno run, I was expecting consistent power with runs 2 and 3, but was highly disappointed as runs 2 and 3 loss significant power in the realm of 20+ HP; not very efficient cooling for an aftermarket intercooler. I'm glad I didn't purchase the CSF. I found that with the S55, outside of a tune and exhaust, a lot of the aftermarket "performance" parts are at par or less than OEM when it comes to performance. Aftermarket intakes, MPE, charge pipes, and CSF intercooler is great for looks and sound, but really doesn't affect performance much. My M4 has a stage 2 BM3 tune with a JB4 BEF, MPI downpipes, drop-in K&N filters and Laser Iridium spark plugs (.020 gap); I'm pushing 587 WHP on race gas (JB4 MAP 7), that's over 650 HP at the crank; a E85 tune and or meth will take me to 600WHP. Everything else is stock, ie stock intercooler, charge pipes, exhaust after DPs, stock turbos. So again very curious on the dyno results of the C&R intercooler, right now, I'm not sold.
@@lighteningbolt6397 Yeah, I saw the vid, pretty impressive to get 10HP and some extra torque. I definitely was not expecting those numbers from an intake, especially on the F80 platform. Eventuri has my vote now.
@@franklinwatson7767 👍, the c&r intercooler is exciting and I’m also waiting for the result but while you wait Garrett made an intercooler for the f8x and they provided amazing detail and information(graphs) and say they cfd tested it and showed proof of that: they claim 47% increase in core, up to 980hp support, cast aluminium end tanks and stock mounting and hardware etc www.garrettmotion.com/racing-and-performance/performance-catalog/intercoolers/2015-newer-bmw-m3-m4-f80-f82-f83-powermax-performance-intercooler/ I don’t get what you mean by not expecting on the f8x platform? The s55 is quite tuneable but hopefully the same for s58
Yeah I heard the CSF one sucked, basically just for looks. Many other companies just use the same design and slap their name on it. I wanted to change my stock one as preventative maintenance since they're prone to leaking. Ended up going with the mishimoto one which I think is solid quality wise and they have dyno graphs to back it up and have the whole R&D documented in a article.
Wow guys, deeply impressed about your philosophy. Having had TMIC challenges for many years on Subaru's I have been measuring Delta P(los) over the cores, but also the heat dissipation over time in case things heatsoaked (from which subaru engines deeply suffer with the TMIC being located straight above the Turbo). It appeared there was a direct relation between TMIC weight and time required to get rid of heatsoak after e.g. a stop at the traffic lights. Since heatsoak is more a public road issue then a race car issue (which will always have the required airflow to get rid of excessive heat built up) I am wondered if you guys backed this up by measurements. The core looks beyond fantastic with a lot of reasoning behind it, inhouse manufacturing of the HE itself (massive kudo's for that, they seem to have fantastic flow properties both for the CA as the CL) and really steps up the game compared to Wagner of CFS. My question would be how the weight translates to the standard one and if you managed to pull some data stock vs yours trying to cool an existing heatsoak of the system. That data would really be required to justify the rather stiff price levels you guys are offering this great upgrade at. Keep up the good work. Following for my M2 competition :)
Looking forward to seeing the dyno and IAT specs on this. Keep up the good work!
Seems like the part 2 never came
Very curious on dyno results. Saw a dyno vid on the CSF intercooler for the S55, had decent power on the 1st dyno run, I was expecting consistent power with runs 2 and 3, but was highly disappointed as runs 2 and 3 loss significant power in the realm of 20+ HP; not very efficient cooling for an aftermarket intercooler. I'm glad I didn't purchase the CSF. I found that with the S55, outside of a tune and exhaust, a lot of the aftermarket "performance" parts are at par or less than OEM when it comes to performance. Aftermarket intakes, MPE, charge pipes, and CSF intercooler is great for looks and sound, but really doesn't affect performance much. My M4 has a stage 2 BM3 tune with a JB4 BEF, MPI downpipes, drop-in K&N filters and Laser Iridium spark plugs (.020 gap); I'm pushing 587 WHP on race gas (JB4 MAP 7), that's over 650 HP at the crank; a E85 tune and or meth will take me to 600WHP. Everything else is stock, ie stock intercooler, charge pipes, exhaust after DPs, stock turbos. So again very curious on the dyno results of the C&R intercooler, right now, I'm not sold.
Look at the eventuri intake dyno vid, sounds nice but also increased hp
@@lighteningbolt6397 Yeah, I saw the vid, pretty impressive to get 10HP and some extra torque. I definitely was not expecting those numbers from an intake, especially on the F80 platform. Eventuri has my vote now.
@@franklinwatson7767 👍, the c&r intercooler is exciting and I’m also waiting for the result but while you wait Garrett made an intercooler for the f8x and they provided amazing detail and information(graphs) and say they cfd tested it and showed proof of that: they claim 47% increase in core, up to 980hp support, cast aluminium end tanks and stock mounting and hardware etc
www.garrettmotion.com/racing-and-performance/performance-catalog/intercoolers/2015-newer-bmw-m3-m4-f80-f82-f83-powermax-performance-intercooler/
I don’t get what you mean by not expecting on the f8x platform? The s55 is quite tuneable but hopefully the same for s58
Yeah I heard the CSF one sucked, basically just for looks. Many other companies just use the same design and slap their name on it. I wanted to change my stock one as preventative maintenance since they're prone to leaking. Ended up going with the mishimoto one which I think is solid quality wise and they have dyno graphs to back it up and have the whole R&D documented in a article.