The RCMP needs to have ZERO involvement with anything when it comes to Canadians owning firearms. Their job is to enforce laws, not make them. They have far too much power on the firearms issue and it’s not warranted or necessary in any capacity.
Rewrite is not what we need. That might be worse. Ban Trudeau and all classes rules and dictatorship of my weapons. All this stuff helps no one and costs millions. It started with British people in parliament. We are no British we are Canadian people who are responsible with our rights. We don't need your rules.
@@robertabele5196We are not independent. We are a semi independent colony of Britain. Always have been. We need to completely abolish the crown's authority in this country. And properly distance ourselves from the monarchy.
It will happen. Pierre has to act quickly to boost the economy and bringing back the gun industry will make a noticeable difference in economic numbers.
It wont. This is exactly how Canada was supposed to function from the start and holds true to what canadians founders intended. If you want any semblance of rights, its time to push for your province to become a state
What's clear to me is that the Conservatives need to first replace the current firearms classification system with one that makes sense, as PP says he will, but also to take the RCMP completely out of the firearms classification process. They cannot be a law unto themselves.
anything that involves not seeking out permission from the government in order to have one will be a step in the right direction. agree that the nation's police should have never been a part of any process
The only acceptable course of action is a total rewrite of the canadian constitution act and charter of rights. We need actual rights. Not just privileges the government is able to take away at will
There's definitely a space for someone like you to have a decent sized audience. Well spoken, informed, and passionate about Canadian firearms topics. Would love to see you increase your UA-cam content if possible!
This OIC wasn't brought about the RCMP, it was forced upon Public Safety by the Joint Standing Committee on the Scrutiny of Regulations, who has been asking for the regs in question to be repealed for 7 years...
When the Liberals say RCMP they are not talking line members , they are referring to the beaurocrats that they hire that do their bidding on demand and ask no questions as long as they get their massive civil service salary.
I went to my local Cabela's for the first time in months and these gun bans are having an effect on even these enormous retailers. Their "Gun Library" of used guns is almost empty with none of the popular 22s being able to be sold, and their new gun selection is even a bit sparse now. How small business gun stores are able to stay afloat is beyond my comprehension! This shit needs to end soon!
The small businesses aren't... that's what they want. They want them out of business, as their WEF goal is civilian disarmament. They want people defenceless so they can enact their goal of a socialist regime...
Yep, the cost of the buy back is insane, but the economic damage is even bigger. Firearms and related industries are a recession, pandemic, supply chain, and even an anti gun government proof industry. The cost would ripple for years.
We've been burnt too many times to believe that there is no nefarious plan behind this change, at this time. I wish I could share your optimism, I hope your right.
The rcmp should deal with criminals like our politicians and not the firearms act Bring everything back to 1960 and no permits to carry and everything will be fine. Criminals don’t get permits to carry why should we
That is why firearms must go back to the provinces and the RCMP rubber stamp registrations and focus on the criminals not the purchases of private property. The criminal code covered all of this back in 1978 when is was not a criminal offence to have a firearm. Clay
Um, I'm ignorant regarding the provinces being responsible for registration of firearms. Can you provide more details? That is something I'm 100% in favor of
@@taurkon I would go to the local OPP station to inform them I bought another restricted firearm. They would type up a transfer certificate so I could bring it home. This was the early 1990's. The Officer at the detachment would then send the information to Orillia (headquarters)then would process it and do record check, I think. A month or so later I would then get a registration certificate from the RCMP. All was good but heard of some officers trying to talk people out of buying a handgun but if you bought one they had to issue a permit to transfer it to your residence. could be for any reason such as a collection or for target practice or just because you wanted it. Hope this helps. Clay
@tracyclaystowell6431 thanks. What i may be missing though is where the actual registration resided... Feds or the province? If with the province, when did the Feds take over registration and does that mean all records were transferred from the provinces and expunged by the provinces?
I DONT TRUST PROVINCES EITHER!!!! Put it in the constitution and then anybody who even TRIES to touch it gets thrown in federal prison for LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!
Thanks for this. As a very recently-retired federal public servant and former naval officer (and 2-time DCRA national gold medallist in my youth), I very much appreciate your delving into the specifics with some precision here, and that earned you my subscription. This is the basis of the kind of elevated discourse and precision we need on this. These mechanisms are ultimately frustrating and not particularly transparent for most of us as responsible firearms owners, but understanding the underpinnings is nevertheless useful and helpful, and it helps alleviate a certain amount of the stress and perhaps the inevitable rumour mill that might otherwise ensue. Thank you again!
Is the RCMP setting policy (making laws) arbitrarily? Not only enforcing law set by government whom have been elected by citizens. Are the Police are the state lawmakers now? Since ignorance of law is not a legitimate defence in a court of law . Are citizens now expected to be held responsible by laws they may or may not hear about through the "grapevine?" Who is responsible for writing the criminal code of Canada? The government or the Police?
This isn't "new" the RCMP used this exact same thing to ban the Stag 10 & ATRS rifles. They went in & removed the Canadian Law Comments that stated "these firearms are not a variant of any other firearm". Then reclassified them to be prohibited from NR to banned.
Yup. I've been trying to find a source of those original FRTs; I thought I'd saved them on my PC but I can't remember where. It feels like a million years ago.
In order for us to completely re do the entire Firearms Act of Canada, or even give us a 2A, right to bear arms? We’d need to have the senate pass it. With 91 Trudeau appointed radicalized senators? Good luck with that.
Finally somebody who lives in a real universe! At least we'll get back to their previous classification all the May 1, 2020 & Dec 5, 2024 "prohibited" via OICs, IMHO the new Conservative OIC repealing those two Liberal OICs is already written and kept secret somewhere in MB MP Raquel Dancho's office, our next Conservative Public Safety Minister as soon as she's sworn-in at Rideau Hall! Happy New Year from Toronto!
Well, with the majority Poilievre seems poised to command, the Senate refusing to pass a government-backed bill would trigger a MONUMENTAL constitutional crisis. Like, it would be country-breaking.
Still waiting on all my issues of Calibre from last year, none were ever sent! Paid for the subscription, never got a refund or anything, and still no issues. Keep fighting the good fight, and please get my stuff sent!
This is definitely the best video I've seen on this issue. It seems like the proper solution to this issue would have been to legalize down converted f/a recievers since they are functionally identical to their semi auto counterparts anyway.
Thank you! I spent a lot of time reading committee testimony... And then even more trying to diagnose a problem with any microphone so I'm glad it's been well recieved.
I honestly think this is going to be "The big one" where they just re-classify EVERYTHING to Prohibited, and say "Canada doesn't not need any firearms, what are you gonna do about it".
Why wouldn't they have done that with C-21, though? I mean, a ban on that scale would be easier to accomplish by legislation (legally), and they had C-21 already chambered...
I'm no longer concered with the Liberal/NDP at this point. They're done. If anyone hadn't already done so, I highly recommend watching Jordan Petersen's interview with our next Prime Minister. It's given me a renewed sense of hope- something I haven't felt in a very long time.
@@calibremag 100%. In spite of all these discouraging bans recently, I believe that Canada's legal firearms and sport shooting community will prosper again.
I don't know that you're right about all of this... Is the registrar involved in managing the FRT records? It was determined in court during the CCFR's trial that the FRT and the SFSS that runs it is solely an optional subdivision within the firearms act. The RCMP itself runs the FRT, the registrar is not a part of that. The FRT's record and the Registrar's classifications are not the same thing. The registrar does not determine the FFRT
The Registrar does not determine classification; that's done by technologists in FRT, but the Registrar is another RCMP entity within the Firearms Program that was responsible for maintaining classification records produced by the FRT division - but ultimately, it's their status as an RCMP entity rather than a legislative body that creates the issue around the authority extended by the regs. The evidence provided by REGS general counsel is linked in the description, she does a good job of explaining the issue.
@@calibremag I read through the section in your regs. It doesn't really address whether or not the registrar works as a part of, or for, the SFSS or the FRT. I've seen no information to indicate that is the case, yet I have seen information to indicate they are separate and operate independently of one another. As such, they should be keeping different records. The SFSS doesn't work for the Registrar, and the Registrar doesn't work for the SFSS. But yes, they're both part of the CFP. Also, the video I put out on this OIC shows rather clearly that the Registrar is involved in firearms classification. It has always been part of the job of the Registrar. The SFSS and the FRT are optionally created divisions of the RCMP. They were not formed by legislation or regulation. The Firearms Act doesn't know the FRT exists, the Criminal Code doesn't know the FRT exists (all of this was regularly stated and proved at the CCFR's ongoing trial). That's also why these "classifications" are not legally binding and are considered little more than opinions (although in practice that is hardly the case). The registrar is not the same. Registration certificates are not the same. They have full legal weight. It's also why the confusing "nullification" of registration certificates had no effect. Even the changing of a firearms classification through regulation did not revoke registration certificates in 2020, although obviously it will now with the passage of C-21. The registrar's existence and lawful authority are clearly prescribed in the firearms act. If the office of the registrar ceased to exist, firearms regulation in Canada would fall into disarray. If the FRT or the SFSS ceased to exist, nothing at all would happen. So far as the laws of the land are concerned, they don't even exist. So they can't be, technically, legally, classifying firearms, or even interpreting the classification of firearms as set out in the CC, FA, or other regs, because they don't have any actual lawful authority to do so. That authority was given to the registrar with the formulation of registration certificates, and therefore the registry, in the Firearms Act. That's how I interpret everything anyway. Course I could be wrong. notalawyer. Love to hear your thoughts.
The Registrar and FRT do not keep different records; the Registrar applies the classification determinations made by the FRT to individual firearms through registration, and in doing so, provides legal weight to SFSS' opinions contained within the table. The FRT was created back in '98 to support the creation of the long gun registry by giving verifiers (and the Registrar, by extension) a database that would allow them to accurately identify any firearm in Canada in order to register it - the old Canadian Firearms Registration System even included a text-only copy of the FRT. As a result, the FRT was considered if not part of the registry itself, at least a key component in ensuring the operation of the registry and thus the Registrar's legal responsibility under Firearms Act 83(2): "The Registrar is responsible for the day-to-day operation of the Canadian Firearms Registry." Obviously lots has changed since then; at one point the whole thing was under the purview of the Ministry of Justice, split up into two programs, then amalgamated back under the RCMP, etc etc. And no, SFSS doesn't work under the Registrar but because the Registrar still uses the FRT to identify and register firearms, the Registrar remains legally responsible for the FRT under 83(2) - hence why the repealed SOR addressed the Registrar. It's also worth noting that technically, neither FRT nor the Registrar classify firearms - that's accomplished by the Criminal Code, Regs, and Firearms Act. SFSS interprets those laws when evaluating a firearm and records their findings in the FRT, which the Registrar then legally applies through the issuance (or not) of registration certificates.
@@calibremag To be clear. I'm not saying the FRT doesn't make these determinations, or that the FRT has no practical legal effect or even that the Registrar could refuse to listen to the "advice" the FRT is providing. The SFSS and FRT are extremely well entrenched and, on a practical level, they truly are the ones making these classification determinations. However, on a legal level, on a technical level, I'm saying that is not the case, or at the very least that it ought to not be the case based on existing statutes. You're correct that neither the FRT nor the Registrar legally classify firearms. Parliament and Cabinet make the determination of what the law is regarding these classifications, and the courts ultimately are the only people which have the ability to interpret and apply the law. The CC/FA/regs are the ones which make the law, and none of these things say the SFSS or the FRT ought to exist or ought to be making these determinations. However, for any system to be functional, there has to be a middle man making these determinations. The registration certificate system, and therefore the registry itself, could not function if such a thing were not true. These classification determinations, legally speaking, are made by the Registrar, not by the FRT or SFSS... although again, in a practical sense, that ends up not being the case. This is also why in sections 74-81 of the firearms act (the ability to take the Registrar or CFO to court over a decision), never refer to the FRT or the SFSS or anything of the sort. The Registrar is the only one - legally - making these classification determinations. As to whether or not the FRT is the Registrar's record of classification determinations or if they are different entities, we need only look at the OIC to confirm that. The FRT clearly exists and clearly has records regarding their opinions on their in-house classification determinations. However the OIC clearly says that no such records have been made by the registrar regarding the "Firearms Records Regulations (classification)". If the regulation is saying that the registrar has no such records, then the FRT cannot be those records since the FRT clearly exists. Also, in the initially "forward regulatory plan" section of Public Safety Canada's website, regarding the initial plan of repealing of the firearms records regulations back in 2016, it clearly says this: "The repeal of the Firearms Records Regulations (Classification) would create efficiencies and reduce redundancy in records that the Registrar and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are required to keep." If the FRT was under the prevue/authority/consideration of the Registrar, there could be no redundancy. They would simply be the same record. There would only be one record. This also very clearly says redundancy in records, not redundancy in regulations. It's not like they're aiming to repeal a redundant regulation based on an action which is already happening, they're repealing it based on the idea that two separate records do not need to be kept, meaning that the Registrar records and the RCMP (sfss/frt) records are not the same thing. And it's not like the FRT couldn't exist as the Registrar's operational or record keeping arm. Section 100 of the firearms act very clearly allows the delegation of the registrars authority to others. There is no legal reason the Registrar couldn't offload these classification and record keeping duties to a dedicated office within the RCMP if it wanted to. I'm simply saying it hasn't. AFAIK, they are separate offices. I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs here, but this is important, especially considering the legal battle going on with the CCFR talking about these very things. It's tedious, but the law often comes down to splitting hairs. Also perhaps if you wish to continue this conversation we should switch over to X. UA-cam Doesn't like it when I put links into comments and just deletes them. So I can send you links to this stuff if you want. There are also other links to other records I could sent to showcase what I'm saying, as well as the R. V. Henderson case where it clearly demonstrates that the Registrar and the FRT are separate offices, and that the registrar is the one legally making these determinations, but also that the registrar simply defers to whatever the FRT (Murray Smith) ends up deciding lmao
Firearms owners are in the minority in Canada and ownership of firearms is a priviledge not a right in Canada. If the Conservatives get in it will only delay the inevitable. This gun stuff started when Kim Campbell was PM, a 5 shot semi auto isnt worth the bother to own
Lol great minds think alike! I actually watched your video but didn't notice the thumbnail - just clicked a link. Were you thinking "new year, new me, too?
@@calibremag Not exactly, but no worries. Not butthurt about it or anything. Just making fun. You do whatever you want. Heck we should start a petition and get Runkle on board too. He ought to change HIS thumbnail and get with the program.
I’d bet a lot of them are part of this magical “prohib” class of owners. Someone’s is buying crap loads of them off marstar for cheap and it’s no one I’ve ever heard of lol
I absolutely agree, Runkle's recent video about this becoming a new ban is based on very loose theory. Don't expect anything more ban related until there's significant information to believe otherwise.
I agree wholeheartedly with the Simplified Classification System platform. But, what realistically can be done to stop the back and forth of contrary policies between governments? Is there a concrete solution that a virtue-signalling politician can't undo?
Hello from Nova Scotia! Passed my non-restricted safety course back in November and passed the restricted safety course last week. Does anyone know where I can find information about what Poilievre plans to do about gun laws if/when he takes office. (fingers crossed) I went to the Conservative Party website to try and find what their official platform is with regards to gun laws but, all i could see were links to merch and how to donate lol go figure
For now all you can do is to make sure the Conservative candidate in your federal riding will win the election, CPC will win the general election with a majority and Pierre Poilievre becomes our next PM! So get involved with your local Conservative association and during the election help install yard signs and door-to-door canvassing! After the election feel free to ask the very same Qs and Canadian gun owners like myself will be more than happy to guide you step-by-step in lawfully acquiring firearms that will be available in your local gun stores except handguns that will take more than a year to be again legal for sale as repealing C21 will take a long time for a successful outcome! Happy New Year from Toronto!
@calibremag down with the dominion and to hell with king Charles. What has this country ever done for us? You can't fix something that's working exactly the way it's intended to.
Law enforcement would obviously want all guns banned it would make there job hell of alot more safe feeling ,thats why they shouldnt be able to control or put input into what guns illegal.
Does this mean the RCMP will have the power to change gun classifications from unrestricted/restricted to prohibited for example instead of government?!? If so, is it therefore in preparation of a possible reversal of OICs the liberals brought in if the Conservatives get in?
Impossible to say conclusively if that is the intent but I do not think so given lawyers were pointing out problems and asking for these regs to be repealed years before the 2020 OIC.
It is. The RCMP like to talk about how it is the most complete guide to firearms in the entire world, and it probably is - but if anything, I think the fact that our regulatory regime relies on a uniquely massive information product is an indication that our gun laws need to be simplified. No other country relies on a definitive guide to *every firearm that exists.*
@calibremag That and they seem to frequently get it wrong, reversing their previous decisions and seeming to just shrug it off. A friend at work spent $3000 on a MP 38 clone in semi auto that was confiscated. The RCMP first said it was alright only to later conclude it was really a machine gun because it fired from an open bolt.
WHY is the very first thing covered in UA-cam videos, money. Everyone starts off with sponsorship, like, save, share. Once they do thus before any actual content, I leave it and scroll for people less greedy
I wish I didn't have to either, but until a Nigerian prince leaves me a billion dollars or someone invents a way for me to buy my kids' groceries with your sense of entitlement, I'm stuck being so greedy as to ask those who consume my free content and appreciate the labour that goes into producing it voluntarily support my work.
Well, my job is to inform. If you want to stop this nonsense, go volunteer with your local CPC EDA and communicate your desire for them to reverse all this ASAP upon taking office. I can't do that for you. No one can. And it's all we *can* do.
Honestly, at this point I don’t care. Take em, done take em. Make up your mind so I can finally stop spending money on this shit. I’d rather have a strong economy and have a better future for my kids regardless of some semiautos. My entire collection is now useless. I’ve spent way too much money on it and now I’m down to some Bolts and Pumps. Whoopeee. Don’t care. I didn’t get into this to benchrest shoot like a 90yr old. I also didn’t get into this to organize and fight for survival so y’all have fun with that “SHTF” fantasy land scenario. I want to use my tools for what I paid to use them for. Not have them be safe queens. Not to have “just in case”. Too many ultranationalist gun owners out there making us all look bad.
wow to much yapping just need plain and simple explaination rcmpigs always cry about guns yet they murder with guns and cry i felt my life in danger how about the people they murder can they cry about feeling their life in danger from any cop hell no cops lie and judges say ok
The RCMP needs to have ZERO involvement with anything when it comes to Canadians owning firearms. Their job is to enforce laws, not make them. They have far too much power on the firearms issue and it’s not warranted or necessary in any capacity.
Agreed 100%. None of them were voted in by Canadian citizens, so they work for us, and enforce government laws…..👍🏻👍🏻🇨🇦🇨🇦
seems like a fox in the hen house situation. RCMP CFO doesn't want ANYONE to have firearms. might as well have a Mormon running the LCBO
Basically the ATF for Canadians
Nailed it 👌
They are supposed to be chasing criminals, not trying to make legal firearms owners look like criminals.
Conservatives MUST deliver on their promise of Simplified Classification System and order a review and rewrite of the Firearms Act.
Rewrite is not what we need. That might be worse. Ban Trudeau and all classes rules and dictatorship of my weapons. All this stuff helps no one and costs millions. It started with British people in parliament. We are no British we are Canadian people who are responsible with our rights. We don't need your rules.
@@robertabele5196it's exactly what we need.. but won't happen
@@robertabele5196We are not independent. We are a semi independent colony of Britain. Always have been. We need to completely abolish the crown's authority in this country. And properly distance ourselves from the monarchy.
It will happen. Pierre has to act quickly to boost the economy and bringing back the gun industry will make a noticeable difference in economic numbers.
If Pierre doesn't get us Concealed Carry enshrined in our Constitution in the first few weeks our country if finished!
I'm so sick of Canadian gun laws... This kind of cloak and dagger shit has got to stop
It wont. This is exactly how Canada was supposed to function from the start and holds true to what canadians founders intended. If you want any semblance of rights, its time to push for your province to become a state
There are only two enemies of firearms....Rust and politicians
well said
And politicians are by far the most insidious.
What's clear to me is that the Conservatives need to first replace the current firearms classification system with one that makes sense, as PP says he will, but also to take the RCMP completely out of the firearms classification process. They cannot be a law unto themselves.
anything that involves not seeking out permission from the government in order to have one will be a step in the right direction. agree that the nation's police should have never been a part of any process
The only acceptable course of action is a total rewrite of the canadian constitution act and charter of rights. We need actual rights. Not just privileges the government is able to take away at will
There's definitely a space for someone like you to have a decent sized audience. Well spoken, informed, and passionate about Canadian firearms topics. Would love to see you increase your UA-cam content if possible!
That's on the docket for 2025, for sure. I really enjoy it.
Looking forward to the new Conservative government to CHANGE THIS..!!
This year in your local federal riding *MUST VOTE CPC & TAKE CANADA BACK!*
Happy New Year from Toronto!
Canada needs its own 2nd amendment type laws and castle doctrine and stand your ground laws!
doubtfull but im hopefull
we are covered under the reasonable force clause... The crown prosecutors must be held to account for not honouring our Bill of Rights.
I agree.
Totalement d'accord et nous sommes plusieurs au Québec à penser comme ça.
@@tracyclaystowell6431
Reasonable = grey
The RCMP has gone rogue.
This OIC wasn't brought about the RCMP, it was forced upon Public Safety by the Joint Standing Committee on the Scrutiny of Regulations, who has been asking for the regs in question to be repealed for 7 years...
When the Liberals say RCMP they are not talking line members , they are referring to the beaurocrats that they hire that do their bidding on demand and ask no questions as long as they get their massive civil service salary.
And gay.
And the Liberal party, all of this behind the curtain nonsense has to stop for any political party
Oh no. The redcoats are what they are, King Charles III has no power over you
Far too many laws and regulations, far too many bureaucrats in Canada.
I went to my local Cabela's for the first time in months and these gun bans are having an effect on even these enormous retailers. Their "Gun Library" of used guns is almost empty with none of the popular 22s being able to be sold, and their new gun selection is even a bit sparse now. How small business gun stores are able to stay afloat is beyond my comprehension! This shit needs to end soon!
And here's hoping it does!
The small businesses aren't... that's what they want. They want them out of business, as their WEF goal is civilian disarmament. They want people defenceless so they can enact their goal of a socialist regime...
Yep, the cost of the buy back is insane, but the economic damage is even bigger. Firearms and related industries are a recession, pandemic, supply chain, and even an anti gun government proof industry. The cost would ripple for years.
They don't several are gone
Yep I’ve seen it to at the Cabela’s near me, over charging roughly 600-800 more on some guns.
We've been burnt too many times to believe that there is no nefarious plan behind this change, at this time. I wish I could share your optimism, I hope your right.
Excellent analysis and easy to follow description of the specifics related to this OIC. Thank you.
Thank you. It's a bit of a nebulous subject and I wish I could have gone into more depth but I didn't want a 40 minute video...
The rcmp should deal with criminals like our politicians and not the firearms act
Bring everything back to 1960 and no permits to carry and everything will be fine.
Criminals don’t get permits to carry why should we
Agreed.
Thanks for what you do, CM! It feels like 2025 will be better for us! Just waiting on that election, man... Happy New Year 😁
Happy New Year Daniel. Thanks for the update. Mike.
Happy new year to you too! Here's hoping 2025 has good stuff in store...
Thank You So much Daniel for keeping us informed 🙏
My pleasure! Happy to help however I can.
Happy New Year, friend. Thank you so much for this video
Happy new year to you too, amigo! Hope Alberta isn't too cold yet.
That is why firearms must go back to the provinces and the RCMP rubber stamp registrations and focus on the criminals not the purchases of private property. The criminal code covered all of this back in 1978 when is was not a criminal offence to have a firearm. Clay
Um, I'm ignorant regarding the provinces being responsible for registration of firearms. Can you provide more details? That is something I'm 100% in favor of
@@taurkon I would go to the local OPP station to inform them I bought another restricted firearm. They would type up a transfer certificate so I could bring it home. This was the early 1990's. The Officer at the detachment would then send the information to Orillia (headquarters)then would process it and do record check, I think. A month or so later I would then get a registration certificate from the RCMP. All was good but heard of some officers trying to talk people out of buying a handgun but if you bought one they had to issue a permit to transfer it to your residence. could be for any reason such as a collection or for target practice or just because you wanted it. Hope this helps. Clay
@tracyclaystowell6431 thanks. What i may be missing though is where the actual registration resided... Feds or the province? If with the province, when did the Feds take over registration and does that mean all records were transferred from the provinces and expunged by the provinces?
@@taurkon I am not sure. There was no Firearms Centre. the registration was issued by the Feds.
I DONT TRUST PROVINCES EITHER!!!! Put it in the constitution and then anybody who even TRIES to touch it gets thrown in federal prison for LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!
Thank you very very much for your video and your opinion. Keep up the great work. Very much appreciated!
Thank you for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.
Hey, cool it with anti-CPC rhetoric! Lol.
Thankyou
Well spoken
Thanks for this. As a very recently-retired federal public servant and former naval officer (and 2-time DCRA national gold medallist in my youth), I very much appreciate your delving into the specifics with some precision here, and that earned you my subscription. This is the basis of the kind of elevated discourse and precision we need on this. These mechanisms are ultimately frustrating and not particularly transparent for most of us as responsible firearms owners, but understanding the underpinnings is nevertheless useful and helpful, and it helps alleviate a certain amount of the stress and perhaps the inevitable rumour mill that might otherwise ensue. Thank you again!
Thank you again for your work, great content 🇨🇦
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the update! I was kind of worried until this video
No worries! And I am still *kinda* worried, but significantly less so, having reviewed the REGS committee evidence.
Great video. Thank you.
Happy new year brother . I think you are great 👍🏻 please keep doing your thing we need you !
Thanks so much, you too!
Is the RCMP setting policy (making laws) arbitrarily? Not only enforcing law set by government whom have been elected by citizens. Are the Police are the state lawmakers now? Since ignorance of law is not a legitimate defence in a court of law . Are citizens now expected to be held responsible by laws they may or may not hear about through the "grapevine?" Who is responsible for writing the criminal code of Canada? The government or the Police?
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In the illustrious words of Charlton Heston “FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS” DONT GIVE UP ANY OF YOUR FIREARMS!!!!!!!
This isn't "new" the RCMP used this exact same thing to ban the Stag 10 & ATRS rifles. They went in & removed the Canadian Law Comments that stated "these firearms are not a variant of any other firearm".
Then reclassified them to be prohibited from NR to banned.
Yup. I've been trying to find a source of those original FRTs; I thought I'd saved them on my PC but I can't remember where. It feels like a million years ago.
Should go back to the FAC. You weren't forced to renew and you didn't need a separate license for restricted.
Great insights... I always look forward to your videos.
Well that's very kind to say, I appreciate that!
In order for us to completely re do the entire Firearms Act of Canada, or even give us a 2A, right to bear arms? We’d need to have the senate pass it. With 91 Trudeau appointed radicalized senators? Good luck with that.
Finally somebody who lives in a real universe!
At least we'll get back to their previous classification all the May 1, 2020 & Dec 5, 2024 "prohibited" via OICs, IMHO the new Conservative OIC repealing those two Liberal OICs is already written and kept secret somewhere in MB MP Raquel Dancho's office, our next Conservative Public Safety Minister as soon as she's sworn-in at Rideau Hall!
Happy New Year from Toronto!
Well, with the majority Poilievre seems poised to command, the Senate refusing to pass a government-backed bill would trigger a MONUMENTAL constitutional crisis. Like, it would be country-breaking.
Thx man, from herring cove!
No problem!
Still waiting on all my issues of Calibre from last year, none were ever sent! Paid for the subscription, never got a refund or anything, and still no issues. Keep fighting the good fight, and please get my stuff sent!
I shall look into this and get those back issues in the mail - can you email me? Dan @ (the rest is pretty self-axplanatory).
Really interesting take and information. Thanks for the great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jagmeet has been talking to Trudeau again, no election anytime soon.
thank you for your work. good info
Glad it was helpful!
This is definitely the best video I've seen on this issue. It seems like the proper solution to this issue would have been to legalize down converted f/a recievers since they are functionally identical to their semi auto counterparts anyway.
Thank you! I spent a lot of time reading committee testimony... And then even more trying to diagnose a problem with any microphone so I'm glad it's been well recieved.
A new year…another 365 days of Canadians sitting on their hands doing nothing.
Good video. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Nice video my friend and happy new year bless up
Thank you! You too!
I honestly think this is going to be "The big one" where they just re-classify EVERYTHING to Prohibited, and say "Canada doesn't not need any firearms, what are you gonna do about it".
Why wouldn't they have done that with C-21, though? I mean, a ban on that scale would be easier to accomplish by legislation (legally), and they had C-21 already chambered...
I'm no longer concered with the Liberal/NDP at this point. They're done. If anyone hadn't already done so, I highly recommend watching Jordan Petersen's interview with our next Prime Minister. It's given me a renewed sense of hope- something I haven't felt in a very long time.
Heck just the view count on that video is insane.
@@calibremag 100%. In spite of all these discouraging bans recently, I believe that Canada's legal firearms and sport shooting community will prosper again.
Just subscribed / to YT and your magazine! Is there ways to submit articles ?
Yup - shoot me an email! Dan @ ...
@calibremag sweet will do .
Ya, it's a giant pork barrel and quagmire. Typical bloated government.
Thanks for the info. Better days to come. Happy New Year.
Here's hoping. The Firearms Act certainly should not require a small army to support...
The whole thing is ridiculous.
I don't know that you're right about all of this... Is the registrar involved in managing the FRT records? It was determined in court during the CCFR's trial that the FRT and the SFSS that runs it is solely an optional subdivision within the firearms act. The RCMP itself runs the FRT, the registrar is not a part of that. The FRT's record and the Registrar's classifications are not the same thing. The registrar does not determine the FFRT
The Registrar does not determine classification; that's done by technologists in FRT, but the Registrar is another RCMP entity within the Firearms Program that was responsible for maintaining classification records produced by the FRT division - but ultimately, it's their status as an RCMP entity rather than a legislative body that creates the issue around the authority extended by the regs.
The evidence provided by REGS general counsel is linked in the description, she does a good job of explaining the issue.
@@calibremag I read through the section in your regs.
It doesn't really address whether or not the registrar works as a part of, or for, the SFSS or the FRT. I've seen no information to indicate that is the case, yet I have seen information to indicate they are separate and operate independently of one another. As such, they should be keeping different records. The SFSS doesn't work for the Registrar, and the Registrar doesn't work for the SFSS. But yes, they're both part of the CFP.
Also, the video I put out on this OIC shows rather clearly that the Registrar is involved in firearms classification. It has always been part of the job of the Registrar. The SFSS and the FRT are optionally created divisions of the RCMP. They were not formed by legislation or regulation. The Firearms Act doesn't know the FRT exists, the Criminal Code doesn't know the FRT exists (all of this was regularly stated and proved at the CCFR's ongoing trial). That's also why these "classifications" are not legally binding and are considered little more than opinions (although in practice that is hardly the case).
The registrar is not the same. Registration certificates are not the same. They have full legal weight. It's also why the confusing "nullification" of registration certificates had no effect. Even the changing of a firearms classification through regulation did not revoke registration certificates in 2020, although obviously it will now with the passage of C-21.
The registrar's existence and lawful authority are clearly prescribed in the firearms act. If the office of the registrar ceased to exist, firearms regulation in Canada would fall into disarray. If the FRT or the SFSS ceased to exist, nothing at all would happen. So far as the laws of the land are concerned, they don't even exist.
So they can't be, technically, legally, classifying firearms, or even interpreting the classification of firearms as set out in the CC, FA, or other regs, because they don't have any actual lawful authority to do so. That authority was given to the registrar with the formulation of registration certificates, and therefore the registry, in the Firearms Act.
That's how I interpret everything anyway. Course I could be wrong. notalawyer. Love to hear your thoughts.
The Registrar and FRT do not keep different records; the Registrar applies the classification determinations made by the FRT to individual firearms through registration, and in doing so, provides legal weight to SFSS' opinions contained within the table.
The FRT was created back in '98 to support the creation of the long gun registry by giving verifiers (and the Registrar, by extension) a database that would allow them to accurately identify any firearm in Canada in order to register it - the old Canadian Firearms Registration System even included a text-only copy of the FRT. As a result, the FRT was considered if not part of the registry itself, at least a key component in ensuring the operation of the registry and thus the Registrar's legal responsibility under Firearms Act 83(2): "The Registrar is responsible for the day-to-day operation of the Canadian Firearms Registry."
Obviously lots has changed since then; at one point the whole thing was under the purview of the Ministry of Justice, split up into two programs, then amalgamated back under the RCMP, etc etc. And no, SFSS doesn't work under the Registrar but because the Registrar still uses the FRT to identify and register firearms, the Registrar remains legally responsible for the FRT under 83(2) - hence why the repealed SOR addressed the Registrar.
It's also worth noting that technically, neither FRT nor the Registrar classify firearms - that's accomplished by the Criminal Code, Regs, and Firearms Act. SFSS interprets those laws when evaluating a firearm and records their findings in the FRT, which the Registrar then legally applies through the issuance (or not) of registration certificates.
@@calibremag To be clear. I'm not saying the FRT doesn't make these determinations, or that the FRT has no practical legal effect or even that the Registrar could refuse to listen to the "advice" the FRT is providing. The SFSS and FRT are extremely well entrenched and, on a practical level, they truly are the ones making these classification determinations. However, on a legal level, on a technical level, I'm saying that is not the case, or at the very least that it ought to not be the case based on existing statutes. You're correct that neither the FRT nor the Registrar legally classify firearms. Parliament and Cabinet make the determination of what the law is regarding these classifications, and the courts ultimately are the only people which have the ability to interpret and apply the law. The CC/FA/regs are the ones which make the law, and none of these things say the SFSS or the FRT ought to exist or ought to be making these determinations.
However, for any system to be functional, there has to be a middle man making these determinations. The registration certificate system, and therefore the registry itself, could not function if such a thing were not true. These classification determinations, legally speaking, are made by the Registrar, not by the FRT or SFSS... although again, in a practical sense, that ends up not being the case. This is also why in sections 74-81 of the firearms act (the ability to take the Registrar or CFO to court over a decision), never refer to the FRT or the SFSS or anything of the sort. The Registrar is the only one - legally - making these classification determinations.
As to whether or not the FRT is the Registrar's record of classification determinations or if they are different entities, we need only look at the OIC to confirm that. The FRT clearly exists and clearly has records regarding their opinions on their in-house classification determinations. However the OIC clearly says that no such records have been made by the registrar regarding the "Firearms Records Regulations (classification)". If the regulation is saying that the registrar has no such records, then the FRT cannot be those records since the FRT clearly exists. Also, in the initially "forward regulatory plan" section of Public Safety Canada's website, regarding the initial plan of repealing of the firearms records regulations back in 2016, it clearly says this:
"The repeal of the Firearms Records Regulations (Classification) would create efficiencies and reduce redundancy in records that the Registrar and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are required to keep."
If the FRT was under the prevue/authority/consideration of the Registrar, there could be no redundancy. They would simply be the same record. There would only be one record. This also very clearly says redundancy in records, not redundancy in regulations. It's not like they're aiming to repeal a redundant regulation based on an action which is already happening, they're repealing it based on the idea that two separate records do not need to be kept, meaning that the Registrar records and the RCMP (sfss/frt) records are not the same thing.
And it's not like the FRT couldn't exist as the Registrar's operational or record keeping arm. Section 100 of the firearms act very clearly allows the delegation of the registrars authority to others. There is no legal reason the Registrar couldn't offload these classification and record keeping duties to a dedicated office within the RCMP if it wanted to. I'm simply saying it hasn't. AFAIK, they are separate offices.
I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs here, but this is important, especially considering the legal battle going on with the CCFR talking about these very things. It's tedious, but the law often comes down to splitting hairs. Also perhaps if you wish to continue this conversation we should switch over to X. UA-cam Doesn't like it when I put links into comments and just deletes them. So I can send you links to this stuff if you want. There are also other links to other records I could sent to showcase what I'm saying, as well as the R. V. Henderson case where it clearly demonstrates that the Registrar and the FRT are separate offices, and that the registrar is the one legally making these determinations, but also that the registrar simply defers to whatever the FRT (Murray Smith) ends up deciding lmao
Ty. Shared.
Just ignore it......
Firearms owners are in the minority in Canada and ownership of firearms is a priviledge not a right in Canada. If the Conservatives get in it will only delay the inevitable. This gun stuff started when Kim Campbell was PM, a 5 shot semi auto isnt worth the bother to own
If Pollieve was smart he would stop the federal governemt from controlling firearm laws and give it to the provinces.
So uhhh.... nice thumbnail? xD
Lol great minds think alike! I actually watched your video but didn't notice the thumbnail - just clicked a link. Were you thinking "new year, new me, too?
@@calibremag Not exactly, but no worries. Not butthurt about it or anything. Just making fun. You do whatever you want. Heck we should start a petition and get Runkle on board too. He ought to change HIS thumbnail and get with the program.
Do the members of the new OIC have their PAL?
The feds are exempt. They ALWAYS do the old wink wink nudge nudge
I’d bet a lot of them are part of this magical “prohib” class of owners. Someone’s is buying crap loads of them off marstar for cheap and it’s no one I’ve ever heard of lol
I absolutely agree, Runkle's recent video about this becoming a new ban is based on very loose theory. Don't expect anything more ban related until there's significant information to believe otherwise.
I agree wholeheartedly with the Simplified Classification System platform. But, what realistically can be done to stop the back and forth of contrary policies between governments? Is there a concrete solution that a virtue-signalling politician can't undo?
Hello from Nova Scotia!
Passed my non-restricted safety course back in November and passed the restricted safety course last week. Does anyone know where I can find information about what Poilievre plans to do about gun laws if/when he takes office. (fingers crossed) I went to the Conservative Party website to try and find what their official platform is with regards to gun laws but, all i could see were links to merch and how to donate lol go figure
For now all you can do is to make sure the Conservative candidate in your federal riding will win the election, CPC will win the general election with a majority and Pierre Poilievre becomes our next PM!
So get involved with your local Conservative association and during the election help install yard signs and door-to-door canvassing!
After the election feel free to ask the very same Qs and Canadian gun owners like myself will be more than happy to guide you step-by-step in lawfully acquiring firearms that will be available in your local gun stores except handguns that will take more than a year to be again legal for sale as repealing C21 will take a long time for a successful outcome!
Happy New Year from Toronto!
Hey Dan just letting you know my favourite magazine showed up today January 3. 👍🏽 thank you sir
Oh awesome! Really glad to hear that.
@@calibremagI’m up in terrace BC. Just as a loose guideline for any one else eagerly waiting.
Trudeau must get out !
Agreeeeeed
Trumps offer of 51st state should be something everyone in the canadian firearms community should be pushing their local politicians hard on
Nah. Long live Canada. We just need to fix it.
@calibremag down with the dominion and to hell with king Charles. What has this country ever done for us? You can't fix something that's working exactly the way it's intended to.
Did you say 300,000?
Yeah, CabMins make just shy of $300k.
@@calibremag Wow thank you for the information.
Law enforcement would obviously want all guns banned it would make there job hell of alot more safe feeling ,thats why they shouldnt be able to control or put input into what guns illegal.
Does this mean the RCMP will have the power to change gun classifications from unrestricted/restricted to prohibited for example instead of government?!? If so, is it therefore in preparation of a possible reversal of OICs the liberals brought in if the Conservatives get in?
Impossible to say conclusively if that is the intent but I do not think so given lawyers were pointing out problems and asking for these regs to be repealed years before the 2020 OIC.
Things are looking up, but we all need to do our part and actually get out and VOTE, not just talk about it. See you at the range.
You have the subs to be monetized are you just lacking the watch time hours ?
No, I just hadn't pressed the button yet lol
The existence of the FRT is problematic. Canada is overly technocratic and hopelessly pedantic.
It is. The RCMP like to talk about how it is the most complete guide to firearms in the entire world, and it probably is - but if anything, I think the fact that our regulatory regime relies on a uniquely massive information product is an indication that our gun laws need to be simplified. No other country relies on a definitive guide to *every firearm that exists.*
@calibremag That and they seem to frequently get it wrong, reversing their previous decisions and seeming to just shrug it off. A friend at work spent $3000 on a MP 38 clone in semi auto that was confiscated. The RCMP first said it was alright only to later conclude it was really a machine gun because it fired from an open bolt.
WHY is the very first thing covered in UA-cam videos, money. Everyone starts off with sponsorship, like, save, share. Once they do thus before any actual content, I leave it and scroll for people less greedy
I wish I didn't have to either, but until a Nigerian prince leaves me a billion dollars or someone invents a way for me to buy my kids' groceries with your sense of entitlement, I'm stuck being so greedy as to ask those who consume my free content and appreciate the labour that goes into producing it voluntarily support my work.
This government could not organize a good shat!
These rules were made when we the people trusted government and rcmp. That trust is all gone.
@FranzAntonMesmer how many tools have they taken of yours?
Not 1 gun collected yet and your all still shitting your pants. 😂
Not really?
No one has given up anything. When you consider that, it's actually a pretty awesome show of resolve.
Stop talking and maybe organize some way to stop this stupidity.
Well, my job is to inform. If you want to stop this nonsense, go volunteer with your local CPC EDA and communicate your desire for them to reverse all this ASAP upon taking office. I can't do that for you. No one can. And it's all we *can* do.
Honestly, at this point I don’t care. Take em, done take em. Make up your mind so I can finally stop spending money on this shit.
I’d rather have a strong economy and have a better future for my kids regardless of some semiautos. My entire collection is now useless. I’ve spent way too much money on it and now I’m down to some Bolts and Pumps. Whoopeee. Don’t care.
I didn’t get into this to benchrest shoot like a 90yr old. I also didn’t get into this to organize and fight for survival so y’all have fun with that “SHTF” fantasy land scenario.
I want to use my tools for what I paid to use them for. Not have them be safe queens. Not to have “just in case”. Too many ultranationalist gun owners out there making us all look bad.
They can't take guns they don't know you have...
USELESS???? You are about to get RED DAWN'D
wow to much yapping just need plain and simple explaination rcmpigs always cry about guns yet they murder with guns and cry i felt my life in danger how about the people they murder can they cry about feeling their life in danger from any cop hell no cops lie and judges say ok
Bro monetize this thing asap so u get paid for giving us news
all the liberal voters I know are planning to vote NDP. get ready for Prime minister Jagmeet!
Lol
😂😂😂😂😂
That's a horrific thought.
I think doo doo clown better chance then jagmeet Singh 😂😂😂
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.
$10 the CPC gives us 25% or less of the firearms back and CPC bros will call it a win.