Why won't my Citroen GSA run properly? Carb woes?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- We didn't expect this! My GSA has been undergoing some paintwork at @WhitelandRestorations but decided she liked it there. We had to tinker with the carburettor to get her working again.
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Me "Why wouldn't my car start?"
Mechanic "Crap in the carburettor!"
Me "Ah. How often do I have to do that then?" 😲
That's an oldie, but a goodie!
Because of your videos, I'm extremely interested in buying a GSA. None of your other cars exactly "do it for me" but the GSA is just supreme.
totaly agree. best car in the fleet.
It drives amazingly now! I'd certainly recommend one, if you can stop it rotting.
F'taghn Citroën !
I do agree, I'm starting to like the GSA a lot after having watched the HubNut videos :-)
One of the best cars Citroen ever made that and the CX
She's going to need a thorough going over and proper maintenance!
Louis and LeAnn did an excellent job with the bodywork and paint!
yes - replace all the fuel lines after checking the tank.
@@crispindry2815 Nope. Subscribed for quite a few years!
Having worked at a Citroen franchise back in the 70s and 80s carb contamination was a regular maintenance issue on both GS and GSA models and regular cleaning necessary.
Impressive blockage there, my goodness! The Whiteland Restoration couple are just lovely with how they help out. Victory cup of tea indeed.
I had a GSA estate many years ago. Just watching you in there takes me back. It was a Special but I swapped the interior for a Pallas I found in a scrappers. Best car I ever owned for reliability and pure fun.
This has been caused by irregular oil changes , in my 40 years of experience. A car of that age probably needs an oil change every 6 k
Loves Mrs Hubs new hair, it really suits her 😍
"Sedimentary, my dear Watson" - had a chuckle at that one!
Adorable little Topolino in the background there!
My GSA Break was white, gotta say your Berline, in shiny black, looks stunning.
Wow Ian that’s horrific! how on earth was that engine even running with that much muck on the breather pipe.
Might wanna check that idle solenoid and change it's seal. If that dirt bits got in the bowl, they might have affected the idle tubing inside the carb, hope you gave it a good blow out, but unscrewing the solenoid and blowing some more wouldn't hurt either.
Had a problem with that idle tubing in mine the other day, just powering it on and off solved the issue, but little bits of grime that get in there have a huge effect on the internals of the carb. That's why a second fuel filter just before the carb inlet is imperative. I see you don't have that. Better put one, you won't regret it.
Hi Ian, nice to see her back again
Most carb problems turn out to be ignition woes. Always think about that before digging into a carburettor. And fit a catch can.
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Great car!
Apart from when they are carb problems!
Glad you fixed Giselle. Good flat 4 air-cooled soundtrack as always 👍😊
What a lovely workshop! French cars are wonderful things. Their normal is the territory of concept cars in the sense of british offerings.
This reminds me of when I used to clean my aunt's fish pond pump for her.
I wonder how it was running before it went into the panel and paint shop?, that sort of thing doesn't happen overnight.
I've had fuelling issues for a while and hadn't managed to find the problem. This isn't new.
Looks like the rest of the paint got a good buffing too. An excellent idea. Does the breather go through the filter to the atmosphere?
Back through the air filter, carb into the engine .
Time for a traditional Redex purge event maybe ? It may not do much good, but the voluminous comedy clouds of white smoke are always entertaining.
The debris is from the fuel line, otherwise can't get into the bowl. Maybe you can try ultrasonic cleaning for the carb/jets.
While what you say is true, the muck we found is exactly like the stuff we found in the air filter.
@@HubNut Still, I believe that is pieces of a fuel line or rust pieces from the tank. Actually you loose nothing by adding an extra (fine) filter close to the carb.
Can be similar to pieces you found in the air filter still, when parts mix with oil vapour that can create some black unidentified objects.
i saw tpa at confuzzled this year
the invicar
One VERY BIG issue with the GS and GSA engine/carburettor design is the block/manifold the carb is sitting on. It's hollow, and exhaust gasses are allowed to flow through. Something about 're-heating' or some nonsense like that. Anyway, the exhaust will sooner or later eat through the material. First up into the air ducts, letting exhaust back into the system and also royally messing with vacuum, so idling becomes rough, and the it loses power. Then it eats through the bottom... No more idling at all. Even worse power...
The air filter. I've never seen a paper filter in these originally. They came with a filter made of two layers of metal mesh with an 1" thick sponge layer beween them. When it got dirty you just took it out, removed the meshes, and washed the sponge in gasoline, then wrung it out and reinstalled i, still wet.
Of course, all kinds of garages lived on selling filters, so they swapped them out for rubbish paper filters if they got a chance, and the car owner was clueless.
(My first car was a GS Pallas 1975, with the 1,2L Boxer engine. Loved it!)
Fun trick...
Back when I drove the GS, it was popular to lower the front of cars, and also lift the rear. Looked rubbish, and killed any road handling, but the Harry drivers loved it.
I parked my GS near a bunch, then pulled the height lever to the top setting just as I stopped the engine. This locks the return valves, and as the weight of the engine pused the oil out of the front suspension, it had only one way to go; to the back.
What a find!
You need rag for the rag trick! Normally accompanied by some throttle stabs on the way back down!
I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I just love Giselle to bits. My Giselle t-shirt is glorious and I wish you had Instagram so you could see me showing it off
Love the GSA
Didn’t up n down have very similar issues? Fuel pipe and tank detritus?
The engine needs a good clean and flush of the pipes, see if u can get e10 safe engine parts to solve the problems, many old cars are suffering, seen a old marina breaking Down after using e10
So shiny!
Evidence of Ethenol in Petrol.? As its Rumored to Destroy Seals and Plastic..! I try to Avoid it..!
Not sure what the Percentage is in Uk.
But all rather Worrying for my 30yr Old Car.
Good Video. Cheers kim in Oz. 😎
I only use E5 in this car. I don't think fuel is the issue.
Didn't you have the same trouble with the 2cv carburettor at one point.
Not exactly the same no. Trying to remember now! Breather is more simple on a 2CV.
can haz cheezburger in intake - no what lewis pulled out looked like a black pudding
I thought this rough running had been resolved with Chevronics,obviously not
All rubber fuel lines should have been replaced decades ago, and regularly. The culprit isn't ethanol, its modern petrol in general. Plus, possible previous fitment of poor quality rubber fuel lines? I've had fueling issues on my really old motors, [all pre-E10]...and I have found the old rubber hoses actually de-laminate inside. Replaced with hose from a reputable supplier, and no problems since [touch wood]....E10 makes my old engines run a lot smoother...dunno what all the fuss is about really. [Sidevalve Fords, US Ford inline sixes, etc.] But then, I use my oldies a lot for everyday driving, so the fuel doesn't get to sit for long.
89k 👍👍 well done
And no pytchooo?
Carb full of petrol is worth a few quid nowadays!
Ethanol ethanol ethanol ethanol I’ve had to replace 3 fuel systems last year.
Blocked breather on any car is caused by infrequent oil changes how long as that oil been in
I change the oil frequently, but I'm starting to suspect previous owners may not have...
Probably an overlooked routine service cleaning action translated bafflingly from the Gallic. "...remove carburised phlegm from the aspirator appendage..."
Probably get better economy now
Fit a webber 🤓👍
It is a Weber...
Lack of oil changes is your problem there
Do you think that was down to E10?
Only asking as I had to clean the stepper motor on my TVR V8S the other week as it was all sooted up (this does happen but seemed to be particularly bad)
No. This was all down to that clogged breather.
Uk customs 🛃 gonna charge you a fortune for the carb kit from Germany 🇩🇪 bought an rc car from Germany less than a month ago charged £127 😂 good old 🇬🇧
I find it's very hit and miss with buying overseas at the moment - sometimes charges, sometimes not. Was better before Brexit mind you...
I wanted to buy something in the US a OBDII reader, shipment was 60+ dollar, then customs 150, I almost wanted to swimm across the Atlantic to get it myself. Horrible.
@@HubNut hopefully you won’t get charged
@@HubNut I've found that packets with a value of under €150 seem to just slip through, but when I had a €500 order I got stung.
slow idle is set too slow.
Went on strike. Because French.
E10 is no good..!!
Yikes! What a lot of merd in the carb and breather. I bet Giselle feels like a new girl. Then, don't we all?
Giselle smoked to much, got all clogged up.
Cos it’s French 😂😆🤣
Nicht Hub Mit sondern Hub N u t.
The comment by Leanne "Oh Ian" with the state of the breather made me laugh.
I had a very blocked breather on a 1985 Fiat Uno 55 that caused the dip stick to blow out on the motorway.
I thought it's not raining so why are there droplets on the back window!!
Sorted the breather and steam cleaned the car, it then proceeded to rot as there was no oil mist protecting the thin Italian steel.
All of this happened to my one over thirty years ago. Good times. Wish she was still here. Most lovable car I've ever owned and one of the best cars ever made.
I feel the same about mine. Citroens like the GSA provide such special engineering and design (at 'ordinary car' prices).
Love the gs and gsa and the cx last of the real Citroens
I think a complete flush of the fuel system including the tank and replacement of all flexible piping is needed with e10 safe pipes including the filler neck one(s) and any sender unit/pick up gaskets, they're obviously breaking down somewhere from the e10 that had been put in occasionally. I don't think the crankcase breathing system had ever been cleaned or serviced in its life. Good luck.
Fitting an inline bowl filter between the pump and the tank will catch any future crud, must be easily accesible and visible.
There is an inline filter at the tank end. Probably never replaced.
8:34: Reminds me of my pipe smoking days and cleaning the bowl out! What a lot of lovely help! 👍
When Lewis put his Lotus Hoodie on I bet he never expected to live up to its meaning...... Anyhow making me hungry looking at what looks like black pudding! Glad you have got Giselle back up and running and well done to Lewis and Leanne for helping you get the old girl fixed.
I had a similar problem with a CX20. The engine was old and breathing a bit heavily due to lack of oil changes before I had it or just old age. The dirty oil vapours condensed in the ancient breather pipe and tiny black bits would regularly break off and block the jets in the Weber carb. I got very adept at popping them out at the roadside, blowing them clear, refitting and all was well for a while.
Not just lack of oil changes - the breather system generally needs an annual clean - more often if the engine is tired...
2:02 I love how the rpm gauge goes beyond the 0 and rebounds
Please look after that beautiful paintwork Mr HubNut, they made a lovely job of your Citroën.
Great to see it painted up. Used to ride around in one of these years ago 👍
Bloody hell I thought my full English felt a bit less full. Black pudding attack on the GSA! Always happy to help 😊
It’s French and old ?
I really want an old car like this as a cheap to run (famous last words) thing to potter about in from work and back..so many options, expensive options..other wise its a 3 cylinder Daewoo matiz!
A Peugeot 205 is an ideal starting point.
@@jamesprince4991 that is one of my considerations, always wanted a base spec one, no faf, as basic as it comes and just look after it but not some showstopper, i would love a triumph dolomite sprint, i HAVE to have one..
@@razorsz195 amusingly my driveway is home to a 205 and a Dolomite. Would recommend both.
@@jamesprince4991 i'm jealouss..add an 88 300ZXT and i'm sold!
I can relate to Giselle doesn't want to leave, she get top care and attention, sitting in a shed with Oltcit and all the rundown cars way below her league. Well I quiet understand it, because French. Never underestimate French snobism.Excellent content, love it! ❤❤
Sorry about your carb woes, but this was a really interesting video 👍
Brilliant video Ian 👍 nice to see her back did E10 cause all that clog
Thanks. Pretty sure that's not E10 related.
Fiat Topolino!! 😍 My Grandmother had one (after her Austin 7) that, I think, got her hooked on Fiats.
These hydropenumatic citroens are always so cool... I have a sweet spot for a citroen C6 like up n' down has at the moment!
That filter is full of Gauloises.
Good that it is sorted but I'm surprised that nobody had picked up on that before
There looks like what appears to be an electro-magnetic fuel cut-off valve attached to the side of the carb. I would check that out.
Yes, it's a fuel cut off on the overrun I believe. They can be problematic, but wouldn't cause the symptoms we had.
Had similar happen with a Bluebird; turned out the flexible fuel hose had degraded inside, and was depositing tiny black bits into the carb, blocking jets and the needle valve intermittently. Took me a while to find the problem as the hose looked fine and was still very pliable
that foreign object looks like a notice board pin!
There is always something about old cars, I speak from my own experience. Fortunately, you now had extra help to solve the problem with Giselle.
The black sludge in the air intake filter is semi solid oil which has dried up over time, had it a lot on the reliant supervan i learned to drive in, the plastic bit you found is a static bearing used quite a bit on carbs for rod links to prevent wear and the risk of sparks near petrol systems, nice to see the gsa back and looking so good too.
Phew, had me going there for a while. A bit of an armchair thriller moment. Well done @Whiteland Restorations on the body work, tinkering, and cups of tea in this video. Great to see the GSA back in fine fettle.
Great seeing you all work together.
Kudos to Lewis and Leanne.
Hope you get Giselle sorted out.
Ian check that banjo on the carb on the fuel line they sometimes have a thimble type filter in them .
We did. Entirely clear.
Good to see it running better again :D
I’m a Ford man through n through but l love the quirky things about this gs it’s awesome
That's the first time I've ever seen a piece of Black Pudding used as a filter...
"I'm gonna call that less than ideal." Insightful as always!
As ever, one step forward and one step backwards. I swear some cars decide to play up just after a lot of money has been spent on them just remind you who's boss... (and Italian ones are the worst).
'temporary for hubnut is the same as permanent' 😂
I like the "Monkey Skull" shape of the old Weber carbs, when the lid is off 🙈
I know I make the same comment every time - but…….that dashboard is incredible!
I hope you get it all sorted out. Carbs are the reason I limit my "classics" ownership to cars with fuel injection (ether mechanical or electronic). I screwed around with carbs too much in my 20's. I had to rebuilt the carb twice in my 1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, twice in my 1987 Olds Cutlass Supreme (both had the Rochester QuadraJUNK 4bbl carb) and once in my 1983 Chevy Chevette (in the UK you had a version of this stupid little car called the Vauxhall Chevette). I learned to hate carbs thanks to GM and have turned down several cars because they were carb cars. Of course back then, i had to wrench on my cars to be able to get to work the next day. Then I got smart and bought a brand new car as my daily driver with a long warranty so somebody else could fix it.
Over here the only carbs you could really rely on was a Weber ..or Zenith (but they were plodders rather than performance related and now long defunct) .Ford made some atrocious Autolite/Motorcraft carbs and Vauxhall tended to use Pierberg (always happy to whip them off and replace with a Weber). In the 60/70s an exciting new carb appeared called a Minnow(small fish for smaller 4/6 engines) Fish...it did not need a choke in the cold, great performance/mpg and had been developed by a US guy called Bob R.Fish, but GM or one of the big boys screwed him into the ground in the US and so was made under license in the UK to the Leo Reece Co hence the 'Reece Fish' only small numbers were made as bolt on replacements before that company too disappeared ...but those that got one raved about how revolutionary it was.
A metallic woven pan scrubber will do the job as an oil mist condensing mesh, just make sure it's metal (usually copper based) and not the silver / aluminium coloured plastic ones. Nice to see her back in action and looking good. Thank you.
I love this car. When I was a kid (early-mid 70's) my dad had an Alfa Giulia Super 1600, my best mate's dad had the then-new GS, we were constantly one-upping each other as to which was the best car (the Giulia, absolutely, obviously, no question - LoL) but I was really quite admiring of the GS. ETA >> if on the off-chance she was burning any oil, fixing the breather might stop it.
7:38 As Lewis takes that tube and chamber apart, it reminds me so much of an Italian espresso 'bubble and gurgle' coffee-maker my late parents had. It was such a lovely job (not) emptying out its compacted coffee grounds; looked just like that! Maybe Giselle thought she was on the Med. having a crafty doppio espresso, cheeky lass. But it's so nice to see her looking beautiful again.
Poor Giselle, yay for maintenance to get her back to top spec again!
Re: future content....can we get a drive review of that little FIAT Topolino when it's finished!!!??? :D
Love those little things! ^_^
If it can get through an MoT with that breather setup bypassed I would leave it off but it might affect the emissions readings.
Plenty of tea on tap. Why not make it plenty of beer on tap for a more interesting video?
On the outside it looks fairly normal, then you lift the bonnet! 😲
That looks like the 1015 early engine the car suffering with the rubber joints cracked and splitting causes sucking in air causing tough idle worked on hundreds of them the 1220 cc had different inlet manifold all metal no rubbers
The gsa is very rare here in Australia, not one for sale at all unfortunately. Yours has come up a treat after the repair.
Paintwork looks amazing. Now, about those wheels...
Who put the black pudding in there