Sneako Asks Muslim Debater For Help Against Destiny's Argument On Age Of Consent
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For what it's worth, I'm an earbud listener on a construction site everyday. I can hear clearly at ~60% volume.
Streams may be different?
One of these days Piers is going to ambush Hasan and Steve with an impromptu debate. Bet this.
What iq do you give xqc
Quarn has the same preservation issues as the Bible if not more, perfect preservation is another Muslim lie.
Sneako is a grifter, but he is also dumb
Sneako is dumb, but he is also a grifter
I heard he's in an Amouranth situation. Apparently he's married and his husband is abusing him. Forcing him to stream. Sneako can't even see his horses. And Sneako's husband threatened to kill his dogs. This is just what I heard.
Yeah , he's perfect for Islam.
@@howdareyou41
I choose to believe this and I’ll shall spread it as true.
Wouldn’t call him dumb. He probably has above average IQ, but he knows next to nothing about anything so maintaining the grift is difficult when he gets called out by someone that knows stuff.
I don't see why would Sneako have an issue talking about marrying a 9 year old girl. He'd be roughly on-par with her when it comes to mental development.
That's insulting to all 9yo around the world, no way they're as dumb as Snickers
The power dynamic would be in her favor because she’s probably smarter
That would go with his love of the movie cuties
Maybe that's true today, but in 10 years the 9 year old girl will have the brain of a 19 year old, and by that point Sneako will probably have regressed to the brain of a 5 year old.
u are LIAR !! it was normel back then LIAR hahahah cry :)
The chat gaslighting Destiny about his audio is the best part of this video. "Please check with airpods on Android"💀
Fucked me up 😂
KENNY MASON PFP
his volume is bad. it's not a joke
His audio was terrible the 1st month of his "new" setup. But now it's been about as okay as it was before lol
@grando1 it's been fine. He's right you people are just deaf
Are we not playing nice with sneako anymore? About time.
Dude's hanging out with wierdos who think it's okay to marry 9-year-olds cuz their holy book that was written by a pedo said so...yeah I think it's about time we stopped playing nice with him and other cringe pro Islam content creators. I swear that you wouldn't find any of this shit written in the bible and I don't care if that makes me sound racist or supremacist.
i think it started almost a year ago
Yea they have been done for a long time.
Come on dude he's just a kid coming into his own. He's what 17 or 18? Give him a break
@@thisisaname2250*Freshly* 18!
The issue is that Muslims believe Muhammad is the perfect person, who they should strive to be like, now.
Yup. Muhammed was of perfect moral character, but somehow he didn't know that marrying a child is wrong because everyone else was doing it. So either his morals were relative to the time he lived (and he didn't get his morals from God), or they think that marrying a child is actually okay.
Like every cult that has existed in the human history, the followers always believe that their leader is a perfect example to follow. Islam isn’t any different.
@Draenix572
All true, but the real issue is that the Muslims of today do not see him as what to emulate only in his time but for today.
@@Draenix572Can you prove marrying a child is wrong?
@@Ah-wy6wk wow, what a question. No, you can't necessarily "prove" that something is morally wrong like you can write out a mathematical proof, but you can certainly justify why marrying a child is wrong:
- Children (especially at age 6) generally do not have the mental faculties to make decisions within their own interests
- Sexual activity with children can cause long term physical and psychological damage
- Children generally cannot perform the functions that are expected of a spouse (childbearing/childrearing, homemaking, providing, spousal emotional support)
Where were you going with that question?
So Hijab's argument is "It's not bad to do slavery today cause at one point in time, slavery was acceptable in the West"?
No, his argument would be that Allah permits it
No, you just proved you lack comprehension skills
I don't think your little rat sized brain even bothered to listen to Hijab, you understood as much as Sneako did in that 10 min video.
@@aenomaus8339 Social constructs evolve in time he said, whether it's 9 year old women getting married or enslaving other races is just social constructs at the end of the day. Regardless, Islam is a terrible religion no one should follow.
@@aenomaus8339 Islamic countries still do slavery
“Let's not discriminate our beliefs based on outdated traditions”
*Tries to bring back the outdated tradition*
History teacher here;
Destiny's approach to learning history is exactly spot-on. In order to have a vood understanding of why things happen its important to dog into what preceded them.
Sure, for brevity you can start at arbitrary points, but to have a complete understanding of a given historical event you need to know the buildup.
Franco-Prussian War is a good place to start understanding WW1, as it very much set the collective French and German mindsets in the buildup to the Great War.
Good showing Mr. Borelli.
I bit our a vood precher.
@@mindlander aww tanks :)
Argument from authority here
yeah his approach is so nice he ignores all the atrocities done by jews and still being done and acts blind
@@Aksarallah my brother, you clearly have only ever watched Twitter clips lol. I doubt you even know his actual position on this shit lol
"Talk to him like he's young enough for Muhammed to marry" had me rolling.
Sneako’s super serious face looks like he’s holding in a fart.
I think he's mewing or looks maxing or some other cringe Zoomer shit
He's obviously trying so hard to hold that dumbass serious face and it's honestly so ridiculous.
Looool truuuue!
@@Stratocaster42 mewing is gen z stuff, not zoomer lol
Zoomer is a term that can refer to Gen z. @Aksarallah
Sneako’s attempt at being serious when talking to M. Hijab was funny. If he talked to M. Hijab about this a year ago, why was he so afraid to tell Destiny the answer to that question when he was asked? I think this is unintentional comedy.
He just forget most likely
are we assuming sneako remembers a year ago?
Cuz Sneako actually isn't okay w the bs stuff in Islam and he used to be based as a 14 yo, now he's just trying to stick to stuff he did/adopted hastily and makin a fool outta himself as an inevitable result lol. It's pathetic
It’s because he doesn’t understand the underlying ideology.
Destiny asks why pedophilia is bad, sneako says because god says it is, D asks if god said pedophilia was good, would you do it. The correct answer is: yes, because by sneakos ideology of “god tells me what is good” if god said pedo shit is good, pedo shit would be good and it would be a completely different world. In sneakos ideology a world where god says “pedo shit is good” is an alternate reality. And it’s a fundamentally different world. The only other acceptable response from sneakos ideology is: “god would never say pedo shit is good, because pedo shit is bad and god doesn’t guide us to evil”
Sneako is afraid to say yes, because he doesn’t have the epistemic knowledge to engage with the debate any further and since he doesn’t have the knowledge, it just looks like he is a self admitted pedo. Also he probably didn’t think to give the answer of “god would never tell me that’s good”
Basically. He knows he’s not smart enough to argue correctly for his position and the consequences for incorrectly arguing his position are astronomical.
Between then and now, he got a lot of attention from the online Christian evangelist and ex-Muslim atheist communities, which have united.
“Is edging good because it’s gooning, or is gooning good because it’s edging”
Thank you donater, you gave me a lot to think about! 36:24
😂😂😂
I miss the timestamps
August cutting corners, maximum output of uploading vods, he spent 1 hour editing
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I miss the time your mom stamped on my thro- I'm sorry, i'l show myself out
Mohammed Hijab had a debate with Alex O'connor a while back, and Alex pretty conclusively demonstrated him to be enormously dishonest and entirely untrustworthy. There's also a variety of videos out there of him yelling and screaming and challenging people to fist fights and boxing matches (which, for one, he's like 6'8" or something, so he'd just be a bully, and for two, when someone turns out to actually know how to fight and accepts, he just backs down anyway).
Haha yes, he has been a kind of meme in the debate spheres of youtube for the better part of a decade. Idk how people listen to him even if they are Muslim
That's complete cap. The debate if you think he was dishonest then your analysis is dishonest. And show me one video of him backing down from a fight when someone challenged him. He literally got battered by 15 racists after going towards them with one other guy to back him. 15 vs 2 and he moved towards them. You claiming he is a coward is a cope. Keep trying 😂
because he routinely destroys his debaters and irl when the opposition starts acting aggressive he checks those cowardly Christians 😂 show some evidence of the opposite 🤡
@@Skutnuyour just Muslim defending your hero he is dishonest and cowardly and Alex broke down how he destroyed him and so did apostate prophet.
@@Skutnuif your're older than 9, u don't have a chance with him, sorry buddy.
Oh my god. I thought Destiny would be more aware of Hijab. Dude is the worst of the worst dishonest dudes out there. Should see how he went after that ex-muslim Apostate Prophet dude on UA-cam. It's animalistic. Very suitable for his beliefs.
You forgot to mention that ex muslim is a griffer and baiscally spends most of his time lying about Islam.
He gets wrecked by Christians in the park which is why he's running to social media in the US. Using sneako as a tool lmao
@@itshika Lol. What lies has he told? Even with Hijab's debate with cosmicskeptic the dude embarrassed himself then edited the debate and deleted comments. The fact that anybody listens to him at this point is insane.
He’s not dishonest you ngas are just mad
In ancient Arab cultures, as in many traditional societies, the concept of age and its measurement varied depending on factors such as region, culture, and social norms. In some cases, age might have been counted from puberty or other significant milestones like marriage or entering ADULTHOOD. so we got 3 deductive paradigms that conclude her age
Possibility 1 she was (age of puberty + 6) which the minimum is 16 but at a sexual degree we can say 19 uhh wait we ain’t done the max is 23 but this makes sense onto why she hit puberty it wasn’t at a young age
Possibility 2 she would be counted 0 years olds at the time she existed for 6 years not 6 years old according to the historical assessed principles and systematical functions of age
Possibility 3 this one is adult hood which was commonly starting at 21 since there wasn’t something called “adult hood “ back then therefore 21 + 6 so 27 we can go through the annotation to analyse why this is the true answer
the age of Hazrat Aisha can be easily calculated from the age of her elder sister Hazrat Asma who was 10 years older than Hazrat Aisha. Waliuddin Muhammad Abdullah Al-Khateeb al Amri Tabrizi the famous author of Mishkath, in his biography of narrators (Asma ur Rijal), writes that Hazrat Asma died in the year 73 Hijri at the age of 100, ten or twelve days after the martyrdom of her son Abdullah Ibn Zubair. It is common knowledge that the Islamic calendar starts from the year of the Hijrah or the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina. Therefore, by deducting 73, the year of Hazrat Asma’s death, from 100, her age at that time, we can easily conclude that she was 27 years old during Hijra.
The excellent research below, by Mr. Islam Al-Buhairy, provides historic evidence for the correct age of Aisha when she married prophet Muhammad. The research exposes the narration that claims her age to have been 9 years old at the time of marriage.
Below is an edited translation of the original research which was published in the Egyptian “Yawm Al-Sabai (The Seventh day)” magazine on the 16th of October 2008.According to these references, the mission of the prophet started In Mecca where is continued for (13) years, after which it continued for (10) years in Medina. The start of the mission was in the year (610 AD) and the migration to Medina was in (623 AD). The prophet died in the year (633 AD) which was (10) years after he migrated to Medina. It is also agreed that the prophet married Aisha (3) years before his migration to Medina which was in the year (620 AD). This was the (10) year after the start of the revelation when Aisha was (6) years old, then he started having sexual intercourse with her after 3 years and few months, which was at the end of the year (623 AD) when she was (9) years old. This implies that she was born in the year (614 AD) which was the (4th ) year of the revelation according to Bukhari. This is a great fallacy.
Historical criticism of the narration:
1- Historical accounts:
All historical references state that Asmaa (sister of Aisha) was (10) years older than her sister Aisha. The same references agree unanimously that Asmaa was born (27) years before the migration to Medina. This means that Asmaa was 14 years old at the start of the revelation in (610) and Aisha was 4 years old. This means that Aisha was born in the year (606 AD).
We have seen that the prophet married Aisha in the year (620 AD), which would make her (14) years at the time. It is also stated that the prophet started having sexual intercourse 3 years and few months after the marriage which would be the end of the (1st) year after Hijrah and the beginning of the (2nd) year, which was the year (624AD). If Aisha was born in the year (606 AD), then she would have been (18) years old when she started a full marital life with the prophet.
2- The age of Aisha in relation to the death of her sister Asmaa:
The same references unanimously confirm that Asmaa died after a well documented incident which was the death of her son (Abdullah bin Al-Zubair) by the hand of the famous tyrant Al-Hajjaj. This happened in the year 73 Hijri when she was 100 years old. If we subtract 73 from 100 we would know that Asmaa was 27 years old at the time of the prophet’s migration to Medina which was start of the Hijri Calendar. Since Asmaa was 10 years older than Aisha, this makes Aisha 17 years old at the time of the migration. And since the prophet started a full marital life with Aisha at the end of the first year after Hijrah, then the age of Aisha would have been 17 + 1 = 18 years old when she was married.
This is also confirmed by (Al-Tabari) who asserts in his book (The History of Nations) that all the children of (Abu Bakr) were born in the days of the Jahilliyyah (the days before the revelation). This is consistent with the correct chronology and exposes the dubious nature of the narration in Bukhari. Aisha was indeed born in the fourth year before the start of the prophetic mission.
@@itshika youtube content creation is basically presenting scandalous facts and humiliating "facts" about your enemies. Hijab is exactly like this.
Aisha was 9 aware
Big true
7 when she got married to Muhammad but it was 9 when they consemated the marriage.
Level 9 awareness
@@hozz wtf
@@LOLLOL-ff9sq Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70
Sneako reminds me of certain “Christians” I’ve known. He doesn’t have any genuine faith; it’s just a coping mechanism and an attempt to gain an identity.
As a Christian myself it's sad to say but most so-called Christians are full of shit.
It's the bigotry he likes not the faith.
Its face value religiousness. Where you can try to morally grandstand on people and act like an authority in the faith to people who don't know better lol
Most of modern right trad Caths types r like this. "Worship Christ but also we hate the poor, Jews and anyone who isn't white!"
@@newsdan8193which is so annoying to deal with in some irl situations, virtue signaling yourself to people how great they are so obnoxious.
"xqueerc" goes so hard
Why does Sneako look like he is about to murder Hijab?
Hes trying to look focused😂😂😂
If only he felt that way 😂
Dude wasn't listening at all lol
The Patrick Bateman zone-out stare 🤣
He looks like he’s just fallen to the dark side of the force and is getting directives from a Sith Lord
sneako represents judas perfectly thats why he chose islam.
Nah, I think Sneako's just really really really really Stupid. And a Grifter. It's easy to Jedi mind trick the fool. I don't think he's evil .
@ajbones4207 when your sole endeavor is to appeal to a crowd just to maximize financial gains, you're evil.
@@ajbones4207Yeah he just has no principles and uses causes people give their lives for as a cow to milk money out of while promoting ideologies that actively make the world a worse place
Totally not evil
@@ajbones4207I refuse to believe sneako is stupid. He’s a professional grifter and he’s done well infiltrating these social circles garnering clout and wealth.
Why is he Judas?
Destiny vs Mohammed Hijab would be a very interesting debate. Hijab is much more experienced in what he is talking about compared to Sneako
It would probably be mid like almost any other Islam debate. If u have ever seen any big Islam debate they almost all end up in gish gallop or the most egregious bad faith arguments of all time.
Yeah I guess he would admit to being a p-do straight up as compared to sneako
Mohammed Hijab mentioned that he despises Destiny. I don’t think he would be down in having a conversation with Steven
How on earth would that be an interesting debate? Debate is supposed to be between 2 worthy opponents. Sneaky falls short on every level, he is totally incapable. He’s an utter moron.
Mohammed Hijab is an incredibly bad faith debater. Look at his debate with CosmicSkeptic to see.
At 29:23 this man makes the argument that if a 13 year old is stacked then she’s fair game 🥴 top tier debate bro stuff there
Damn, theres no way you watched this vid properly. That or you just lack adequate comprehension skills, or maybe your just being insincere and disingenous
Just when I thought he was kinda cooking something too... fucking hate religion.
The threshold being "if theres grass, play ball" 🤢🤮
Sneako just had a 2+ hour chat with the Muslim lantern to basically review his debate with you and xqc. He really needed to hear how much he didn’t know about what he was trying to argue
And lantern said paedophilia is only a problem in the west ( which is wrong and incredibly ignorant) and that paedophilia doesn’t exist in Islam because you have to get the parents permission to marry the pubescent child and no sex would occur outside the marriage ( therefore it’s not paedophilia).
So even though Sneako is now ‘educated’ his views will still be very problematic.
@@matthenley3886its Haram in Islam to have sex with a girl who hasn't reached the age of 1) puberty and 2) where there won't be harm done to her.
So that could have 16 years old like in some European countries or 14 in other non Muslim countries
Its a relative term of the age when someone is a child and when someone is an adult in western countries
@@petritkola But according to lantern if the parents consent and the girl has reached puberty then there is generally no harm, however that is *incredibly* naive. If she can’t consent to that marriage herself then how can you pretty much ignore the potential for harm?
@@petritkola Aisha *lived* with the prophet Muhammad as a child before they consummated their marriage. Nowadays we’d call that grooming ( ESPECIALLY IF THE AGE GAP WAS 40+) but Lantern doesn’t even consider the possibility of that and would conclude there was no harm done. That’s utterly ridiculous.
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Destiny is a girls name.
A WOMANS NAME!
So original
I thought they were gonna start deleting these comments.
August, get your sh"t together. We are onto Vernacelli memes now.
Prepare to get Biden blasted
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 why delete these comments? it's an historical meme in the community and is funny as hell when done right
To narrow it down, in Islam there is no actual age of consent.
The following verse is talking about divorcing three types of women who may be pregnant and discusses their waiting period before you can have sex with them. Those who pregnant, those who no longer menstruate and those who have not menstruated yet.
As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them. Surat At-Talaq 65:4
There is none yes, this verse and what people point out is the part where it says the waiting period for the girls who HAVE NOT MENSTRUATED YET, Muslims don’t understand the difference from a pregnant women no longer having periods due to her pregnancy and girls that have not even. Started menstruation
Yes, you are completely correct. There is no age of consent and there is no concept of concent at all in islam. A wife or concubine can not deny sex to the husband/owner.
This is the case for Christians and Jews as well, the age of consent is are relatively recent concept, to my knowledge the first state to actually implement an enforced age of consent was revolutionary France, a society ruled and dominated by anti relgious liberals and proto-commies
Tells you a lot about these religions
@@johnsmith5215 You are right that the Christians and Jews don't have a age of consent either. However Sex in Christianity is suppose to be bound in marriage between man and women and in a loving union unlike Islam where there are Muta marriages where you rent out a women for 3 days and then pay her afterwards.
Typically people use to marry around the same ages, so someone who was 16 can marry someone who is 18.
@@johnsmith5215 well no not really, no I think the youngest women to be married in the Bible was 22, yes some people in the faith have do immoral things like marry a child yet that doesn’t make the religion wrong. I think it’s primarily on Islam that has this issue
ooooh boy i cannot wait for the Islam arc, destiny is in for a shocker when he finds out how dishonest Muslims are about their religion. there isn't one Quran there are over 30 different Arabic versions of the Quran, Sunni Muslims still try to pass off the qur'anic preservation myth but its been debunked numerous times.
Mohammed Hijab vs Destiny is a crossover I need in my life 🤣
Destiny isn't qualified to take on Hijab, unfortunately.
@@ajbones4207 I think it depends what the debate topic is. Ethics would be pointless. Validity of Islam or truth would be a lot better.
Don’t thini he would ever agree, hijab is way too sketchy.
And muslim debates are pretty much never fun and end up being the same.
I thought they had a conversation a year or two ago
@@ajbones4207 Hijab is a sophist.
Destiny and the Apostate Prophet (or David Wood) should debate Sneako and Mohammed Hijab on Muhammad's marriage to a child
This ^^^
Yesssss
David Wood did debate Hijab a few years ago and wiped the floor with him.
Overdone
@@ajbones4207”The person I like wiped the floor with the person I don’t like”
deadass knew someone from my old neighborhood named mohamed mohamed mohamed which I can't believe to this day
this was a very nuanced and good reaction by destiny. I am surprised he actually listened to Muhammad Hijabs argument and didn't use shock factor to descredit the argument. very rare w for destiny.
He's argument for why it's ok to marry a 9 year old gtfo
Destiny used to argue that Lav and Sneako are intelligent.
But Sneako getting this destroyed by a simple question he got advice on how to answer. Says otherwise.
I think Sneako had a verb good editor in those early videos of his,made him look good,but he is dumb as f***
There's an amazing thread on tiny's reddit about this topic from an ex-muslim! There's an exact opinion on this "issue" in Islam
Btw, she was still playing with dolls at 9, according to the prophet, so I don't understand what "social construct" the Hijab dude is talking about 🤦🏻♂️
There is no Hadith that says she was playing with dolls at 9. I have seen people add her age to a Hadith about her playing with dolls in parenthesis and people accept because they don't read the Hadith in Arabic which is the language it's written in.
@@jesusnieves9221
Narrated `Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
SAHIH AL BUKHARI 6130
@@jesusnieves9221 It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."
SUNAN AN-NASA’I 3378
@@jesusnieves9221
‘A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
SAHIH MUSLIM 1422
@@jesusnieves9221
'A'isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), whereas Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent them to her.
SAHIH MUSLIM 2440
I dont think its true 9 year olds were commonly seen as adults and married off. Periods didn't start coming until 15-16 on average historically, with it only being a recent phenomenon that children as young as 9 get them regularly. Marriages, in western society at least, were centered around when you were able to conceive. I could believe 12 or 13 even, but 9? That is just freakish. They didn't even allow kings who were inheriting the throne rule that young. And I think even historically, these people were seen as freaks or at least abnormal
Correction. 16-17 was historically normal. Maybe even later. We only have periods early due to the over availability of food, increases in weight, lack of activity, and maybe even hormones in our food
She was also 6 when he married her and consummated at 9, so it's even worse
@@ELLINIKIDINAMIif he waited from 6 to 9 why do you think he is a pdf? If he wanted he could have consummated at 6 so why wait? It’s almost as if we have different societal standards of childhood. Ofc nobody is advocating for that standard to be the norm today. It’s just presentism to think people were bad for their societal norms that they had back in the day.
@@FirstLast-fr4mx a yes something horrible is not horrible because it happened a long time ago. Why did the supposed most moral and holy man Mohamed chosen by Allah do something so disgusting?
@@FirstLast-fr4mx probably because her body was literally too small. It wasnt acceptable even then, for the reasons I listed among many others
Couldn’t pedos say “I was following the teachings of Alla when I met up with the 9 year old” in court, freedom of religion 😂
I tried that once. It worked
Bruh your comment is almost on the same level as these weirdos
No, for the same reason you can’t kill people because the book says so
No. Freedom of religion only goes so far. That's why stuff like human sacrifice can't be done in the US. Freedom of religion isn't a free-for-all as long as you claim religion.
No because Islam tells you to follow the laws of the land as along as it doesn’t infringe on your ability to be a Muslim. AOC laws don’t infringe on your ability to be Muslim as it’s not a core tenet of the faith. So you would have to follow the law. Which is a good thing ofc.
How about BRAIN DEVELOPMENT….. the ability to truly understand what it means to have a sexual relationship.
At which age does this happen? There are people in their 20s who don’t understand that
@@Collabcreatemarketing It wont happen at -14 ill tell you that. Or do you disagree?
@@Collabcreatemarketing technically 25 is when our brains are fully developed to incorporate reasons (doesn’t mean people still don’t lean on their emotions more). But there is very LITTLE taught in education or by modeling of parents how having sex affects us emotionally.
Which, is a shame.
For a child it can be incredibly traumatizing
This only makes sense if you don't view women and girls as sexy farm animals.
On the plus side, Muslims should be happy they lost Sneako. I would be incredibly embarrassed to have any association with that guy in my faith.
Islam speaks on Iddah, which is basically how long you have to wait to have intercourse after being widowed or divorced.
It has a time period for a girl that "has not bled yet". Which says a lot.
So they have a rule for a girl "that has not bled yet" on how long she needs to wait before she can have intercourse after her PREVIOUS husband died. Meaning she probably did the thing with him before this case.
You are absolutely right. Surah At-Talaq 65:4 As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, ------ and those who have not menstruated as well -----. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them
@@MrBjoern91
The term used is one for adult women. The overall context implies "women who don't menstruate" may be adult women who don't menstruate for whatever reasons
@@theseeker7692 where does it say this only applies for adult women? And don't tell me Aisha was an adult at age 9 when Muhammed consummated the marriage. You apologists have really no shame
I'm ex muslim and there's a verse in quran that says u can marry and divorce a girl before puberty... so 5 6 7 years old.
🤮
Divorce? Makes me wonder what a kid would even do to get divorced 😂
user-lh7mt7zo7l My 7 year old husband just plays Fortnite all day so I’m considering divorcing him. He needs to get off his ass and get a job but he says every company declines him. Loser
@@user-lh7mt7zo7l Asain kids are out there afraid of being disowned for not getting an A, some kids are out here afraid of being divorced.
It's in quran chapter 65 verse 4 where it says that you can divorce your wife if her period has stopped or if her period has not even started (meaning to divorce you have already married her, and by not having a period started you can imagine how low the age goes)
Destiny says that Hijab would destroy him on ethics. The thing is, Destiny is completely clueless on Islam and the comments he makes exposes that. That is the reason why he could not debate him, NOT because Hijab is an incredible apologist, there are hundreds of hours of him lying, being dishonest, and engaging in sophistry (and other way WORSE stuff).
I believe he admitted that when he said he’s not versed enough to debate him on the subject.
Destiny's audio is fine but his American audience cant afford the $48000 for a basic hearing test, let alone the $3.2m for hearing aids. Rip my dudes 😢
He lied about the year. "In 1875, the Offences Against the Person Act raised the age to 13 in Great Britain and Ireland, and ten years later the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 raised it to 16."
If you’re a Sunni Muslim you have to believe she was 9. The Hadiths that state her age are grade Sahih (the highest grade of authenticity in Islam) which means if they reject this Hadith, they have to throw out all the Hadiths, which they can’t do as they could no longer really be a Muslim.
True all the valid Hadiths confirm Aisha was 6 when she was married to Mohammed (Police be upon him) and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
Lol you are so wrong, sheikh uthman and a bunch of others knowledgeable muslims really don't believe aisha was 9
@@mark-kq7rclol sahih is authentic and only idiots would fall for Muslims Taqiya
You don't have to. You don't even have to accept Bukhari
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No ... He is NOT wrong. Any Sunni Muslim who rejects this valid hadith, which was transmitted by the most authentic narrators, then validated by the most experienced Sunnah scholars. Any Muslim who rejects such a Hadith is either:
- Rejecting the concept of Hadith authenticity in itself OR
- Cherry-picking hadiths.
Rejecting Sunnah (Hadith) entirely makes the Muslim: NOT Sunni.
Rejecting Mohammed's teachings makes the Muslim: a Non-beliver.
Mohammed "Golden Showers" Hijab has said that the Qur'an only allows for marriage, sex and divorce with children as young as 5 years old and you'd have to look at the Hadith to pin it down to 9 years old (which is still a young child).
Edit: Also Hijab does not debate morality and ethics because you simply can't defend stuff like child marriage and beating your wife until her skin turns green although you can see him lying to try and make it seem less egregious.
"Bountiful harvest" that's what the Palestinians say to their 9 year old brides. 😅
No wonder they're always talking about Palestinian children.
Or to the Jihadis that America and Israel supported in Syria.
@@wisdomandy9361yeah of the region, he ain’t share that blood tho😂😂
They count them as children when they reference the death toll, but the following day they might get the rest of them pregnant.
Not even common in Palestine yet you Hasbara managed to bring it up
The problem with volume control, especially on Discord is that you go from 100 to maxing it out at 200% and it barely makes a difference.
Why are you ly&ing? This video is old. It is another Muslim interviewer named Muhammad Ali, and you did not show the interview because it destroyed you and exposed you
At 9 or 10 in UK ? Excuse me in waht part ? In whose families does this hapen even ?
The funny thing is EVEN if it was true it does not help his point. Because he holds a man who married and had sx with a child as the best person to ever live and an example of how people should aspire to be, Even in 2024. Regardless of if it was the norm of his time (And it was not). Yet people in the UK do not.
It's not true. Mohammed Hijab is using taqiyya here, as he's known to do. Lying for the faith is permissible in Islam.
@@andrewwillis9759while still VERY weird there supposedly was no sexual relations until they were older.
@@alexandertend July read at 34:22 and there's one even better thread on the sub made by an ex Muslim who goes into details about it
Morality in Islam is totally different from Judeo-Christian. Morality in Islam is what Mohammed did.
Most people don't understand this. He is Islam's perfect moral example for ALL TIME. Whatever he did 1400 years ago is still OK now.
It's "Judeo-Christian" because Christianity is an evolution of Judaism.
Islam isn't included because it doesn't share the same common origin.
An eight-year-old Yemeni girl passed on from internal bleeding on her wedding night in the wake of a wedding a man 5 times her age, a social activist and two nearby occupants said, for a situation that has caused an outcry in the media and resuscitated banter about child brides.
March 21, 2022
Look it up ….
I think a good starting point is the End of WW1 coming from this perspective
World was 1 was atrocious. Soo many dead. Soo many resources gone.
It had to be justified, someone had to profit and someone had to lose. They sanction the crap out of Germany and tread on them or whatever.
Feels like a decent place to start because the cost of the war is what caused such hard sanctions in my opinion and the geopolitics or whatever involved prior don't mean as much moving towards to what led to WW2. The driving factor was Germany felt tread on after WW1. They kill a lot of J's WW2 ends. The J's get their own land, "conflict starts"
(Doesn't actually start here in the super grand scheme of things going centuries back but this is a logical starting point for me that allows you to start somewhat fresh from the simple understand WW1 SUCKED, no one really won, so they made a loser do that there could be winners and it snowballs from there)
As a broad overview, this is pretty accurate.
There's a lot of stuff in the lead up to WWII that can add more context, but it's not super necessary for your point.
When I saw Destiny was looking into WW2 i wondered where I would recommend someone start in history to better understand the modern world. I settled on somewhere between the Russian civil war and the Treaty of Versailles. I think that would give you the bulk of the setup for ww2 and understanding modern stuff without digging into The Great Game and other Great Power Politics era stuff.
Agree it felt still in Britain and it the true foundation this country was heavily beautifill im proud of our country alway have the hearts of 🦁 🇬🇧 just remind me of the 🎵 white cliff of Dover for those that made it back as many didn't but this spirit has been lost due to a mixed race the data show this . But CHRIST IS KING AND MUCH LOVE N PESCE ESP 4 🇵🇸
This argument does immediately fall apart once you point out that they don’t believe that Allah is a God of Culture or “The Times”, they believe he is the God of All Time and knows everything. That means he must’ve knew what modern science knows TODAY about how sex with a 9 year old would likely cause them physical and psychological harm. And EVEN IF you grant to Muslims the fact that Aisha had just begun puberty (which is HIGHLY unlikely), the consequences of child-bearing at that age if she was unfortunate enough to become pregnant would likely have been fatal or would’ve given birth to a severely deformed baby.
I honestly don't know why this refuses to die amongst Muslims. Part of the problem is within the Sunni/Salafist discourse that refuses to question the authenticity of these hadiths, even though they were questioned by contemporary scholars of the time. One hadith says 6 years old, another says 9, and another says 7. However, Aisha's sister was 10 years her senior and we know both the date she was born and the date she died. We also know the year Aisha married which would have meant that she was around 16/17 years old and 19/20 around consummation. We also know that Aisha and Hafsa carried the Prophets swords into battle and accompanied the Prophet on his campaigns - something that was forbidden to anyone under the age of 15, man or woman.
That seems like a lot of ammunition Muslims could use whenever this topic comes up. They know too much already to not use that info. Why die on the hill that Aisha was 9?
@@Pancakegr8 because the evidence she was 9 is stronger, and there is no reason to say it isnt true because atheist liberals say they dont like it.
@Pancakegr8 They die upon that hill because of the "Sahih". Even though Imam Bukhari specifically and explicitly left weak and fabricated hadiths as examples as such. Also, books of hadith are not gospel. They can he questioned and debated over.
@@amerikhan8507 I guess it also doesn’t help that the Quran is vague at best about the age of consent.
She played with dolls. That was only for younger girls. And this whole age thing is only a very recent problem for muslims. But this is all besides the point. Muslims who really believe in their religion do not care at all how old she was. It does not matter if she was 9 or even 1 year of age, because all their morals come from what they believe is God. If God accepted it then it's good in their eyes. And that is one of the reasons why islam is so dangerous
I feel like Sneako wasn't fully paying attention 😂. He wanted an easy answer he could regurgitate as needed. He's not looking to really understand the hill he's willing to die on
My name is Tyrone Durag. I debate on behalf of all disadvantaged urban youths.
My name is Olga Ushanka and I'm married to Shlomo Kippah
Judeo-christian definitely does not include Islam
Destiny should talk to Matt Dillahunty if he wants to prep against a religious apologist for a debate.
He has before. They discussed/debated abortion.
Dillahunty kinda lost his shit when he debated Daniel Haqiqatjou last year because he made fun of Dillahunty's trans girlfriend.
I remember marathoning atheist experience for years on end after I found them in my early teens and Dillahunty was the best
@@ajbones4207 Do you mean Bigpapafascist?
@@MrMerve-tl9myHe did it for both.
On the shia vs sunni divide: Muhammad died too quickly to name an heir so the community chose 4 caliphs until the first dynasty was created under the Umayyads. The 4th caliph, Ali, was assassinated due to personal/political differences by the 1st Umayyad. Shiites believe that Ali and his descendants were the only legitimate caliphs (partially because Ali was notoriously pious and partially because he married Muhammad's favourite daughter, Fatima, so his descendants were also descendants of the prophet). Ali's descendants became leaders of the Shia faith (Imams) until the 12th one (the Mahdi) disappeared at age 5. Shiites believe he did not die but is hidden (because the world would end with no Imam in it) and that he will return at the end of time to restore justice/righteousness. Sunnis have a broadly more relaxed interpretation of the rules and they value the hadiths (stories and sayings of Muhammad) more than Shiites.
If her age is on the clock and all.
12h or 24h?
@@snake21ab this usually refers to an analog clock xD
@@Notsogoodguitarguy that's why I ask her age is on the clock+6
Hijab and destiny should have a legit conversation/debate on various topics. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would want that
Destiny is not interested in religious debates and Hijab is notoriously bad faith, finklestien levels of bad faith.
They have in the past but destiny does no research and gives up from the get go. He needs to do a islam arc and actually do research so he can actually go back and forth and so he isn't making random flippant claims
@@darklight8338He can't argue with Hijab he literally said so at the 26th minute
@@lampad4549Finkelstein? The scholar that demolished your girlfriend Destiny?
Destiny is 100% with Islam having a fuck ton of overlap with Judaism and Christianity, since Mohammad literally traveled to christian and jewish areas in Arabia. Back then there were a lot of Jewish and Christian arabs, which he presumably learned from.
People mocked Mohammed at the time and called him "the Ear" because he obviously stole things he heard and incorporated into islam. The story of the 7 sleepers and the infancy gospel of Thomas where Jesus created a bird from clay are two examples.
The best part of this video was him raging about the volume. True Nebraska Steve moment
Can someone please ask Destiny to adjust his volume settings? I can’t hear him.
Muhammed (police be upon him) was a pdf file.
Not that there's anything wrong with that..
M. Hijab said the only bad thing is if it causes physical or mental harm, I'd like to know how he would measure mental harm he probably thinks the only way kids can be mentally harmed is if they aren't taught Islam
The 'mental harm' is his/modern interpolation. The traditional rulings are related to just physical injury (such as a fistula).
(24:45)
argument for "moral values from what feels right or wrong"
very easy actually.
ask the religious person : "would you do what ever god tells you? what if you hear a voice, telling you it's god, and ordering you to kill someone?"
two responses for this:
1. god would never ask me to do that, so I know that it's not an order from god (in other words, I have my morals of what is right and wrong, and I judge god according to my views of right and wrong, and choose to believe in a god that aligns with my views)
2. if god tells me to do it, I'll do it.
here's the follow up for response 2:
"what if a moment later, you hear another voice, telling you that the first voice was the devil, and that now it's god, and he is ordering you to ignore the first voice, which voice will you listen to?"
this forces the person to admit that at the presence of two "voices of god", he chooses to go with what he feels is right or wrong, and not what any voice of god says.
Well put.
Why did you limit the responses down to only 2? Hearing a voice in my head which claims to be god is hardly a good enough reason to accept that its actually the case
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if you are a god believer (at least, one that is subscribed to one of the formal religions), that means you already accept that SOMEONE heard a voice, and attributed to god, and thus, gave us the laws we have today.
sure, you might be on the side of "why would god talk to me?", but we can just shift the question to "lets say someone that you believe god has spoken to, hears the following ..."
@@eyallev Like I said, just because myself or someone heard a voice which claims to be god this doesnt mean its actually the case. You simplied our narrative so much, nobody just accepts that someone heard a voice then attributed it to god and so we believe them. No, they brought evidence to support their claim. So if someone where to say that god spoke to them, i would ask for evidence that would satisfy me.
Would you do what ever god tells you? Yes. What if you hear a voice telling you its god ordering you to kill someone? If god tells me to do it ill do it, but first i need to establish that the voice is god if i cant then ill assume im hallucinating or whatever. Now your follow up response does not apply, what makes you think that just bcus i hear a voice claiming to be god means that this is actually the case, most people would assume theyre just having issues.
“Talk to him like he’s young enough for Mohammad to marry.”
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
The Quran has changed their were 7 Quran’s gatherers from the whole empire as this question has been raised time again . 6 were destroyed and we only have the one left . Well 2 as the 2 Muslims Sunni Shia don’t believe in the same Muhammad. He went crazy before he died and started talking jibberish . That’s where the problem lies .
This is cope. The 7 qira’at literally link back to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. It’s not changes when the origins link back to the sources theses where just dialects to make the Quran easier to read in different regions.
All races married children at some point, BUT when we mention them, we are not required to say “Peace be upon him”. Done
2 views only, fell off
3 comments
People watching crypto vids now bull market coming 😂
This joke has fallen off
“Just look at WWI not stuff before” is one of the worst historical tales I’ve ever heard. You get zero understanding of why Europe went to war with itself without understanding events during the Napoleonic wars and after. They’re the direct causes of WWI.
274 views, 3minutes. Sad
More than you'll get in three minutes 💀
@LastNightDestiny problem with Hijab’s argument is that Mohammed is supposed to the ideal man who example needs to be followed till of time, which is why Sneako wasn’t convinced.
It’s wild how Sneako blew up so big and got lost in the sauce.
Then started speed running lolcow status.
It’s amazing
That Muslim is not british
When did this looking into the camera start? and can it stop?
Was not expecting a Bill Craig Destiny crossover today
Destiny over here having a more reasonable take on the application of faith than the religionist.
Sneako is completely lost in this conversation. He is trying desperately to look like he is listening, he checked out 10 minutes ago.
His "stoic" face says it all. Lights on but no one's home. Not even head nods or signs that he's tracking with the lesson at all LOL! Sneako would take all these points he's "learning" and what comes out is "Bro, like back in you know, the old days, like its a social construct man. You're dumb, like bro. Bro."
First of all, in the 1800s, the average human life expectancy was 30-40ish years. It rapidly increased in the1900s with modern medicine and technology.
Even if you look at the 18 year olds in ww1 and even ww2, they look like30 year old men. Compare an 18 year old today with an 18 year old from 1850 and there will be almost no similarities. People married younger, became parents younger, started working younger. As life expectancy expands, so does the ages of appropriateness related to adulthood and maturity.
I think that argument works if the goal is to extend credit to humans for being flawed and put in difficult circumstances. I don’t think it works when we throw consummation into the equation.
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). - Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
The phrase Volume Control is now seared in my head
" you have to talk to him like hes young enough for Muhammed to marry him" is funny af
I wouldn't say apologetics and apologists refer specifically to religion, but to all ideologies and regimes. There are/were Nazi and Soviet apologists and apologetics.
Sneako looks so lost trying to understand Hijab. Sneako has poor listening and learning skills. That's why he will never beat Destiny in a debate
If Destiny was as passionate about Israel Palestine as he is about sound mixing there'd have been a two-state solution on October 8.
So at the end of the day hijab is saying “those people over there DID IT so its ok if we do it”
I hope that Destiny will soon realize that the reason he would never win a debate about meta-ethics against anyone who studies Apologetics is because the atheist position doesn’t afford the opportunity to win such a debate. Then, once he realizes that God must necessarily be the answer to this question of where truth comes from, I hope he then realizes that Christ is the only answer to who that God is.
Earbuds that go into the ear can sometimes mute audio a bit if the speaker hole is being occluded by your inner ear skin. The canal shape is the most likely culprit, as some are straighter some are more curved. No need to ban people for literally no reason
17:58 is when the actual content starts
Thank you 🙏🗿
If SNEAKO all of a sudden stepped out and called out all these grifts, saying he did it to make fun of whatever he was involved with, and then banged out a video, where he takes everyone apart, THAT would be the ultimate turnaround. I would still call him a grifter, but that would be pretty funny.
Destiny talking about volume controls...but he was so quiet i couldnt hear a word he was saying.
Islams entire defense is a whataboutism and a cringe analogy😂
Allah never seems to send his best
Dude. I can’t believe he didn’t know what a Judeo Christian means. I’m out of here.
Are AirPods actually any good?
His annoyance with chat was
Buddy soyd out over the volume settings
Judeo-Christian is a not a cringe word, its just more referring to societies' fonctionning than religion/culture... because yeah during the late middle ages most Europeans countries were effectively Judeo-Christian societies, doesn't especially mean the laws and such were reflecting a mix of Judaism and Christianity (because yes those countries were Christian countries not Jewish ones) but jews were part of the fonctionning of that society, since christians more or less couldn't be at certain position at the time while jews could, but those positions were necessary to the fonctionning of those society (for example banking was becoming neccesary with that developing economy but Christian couldn't be bankers/giving loans just like Muslims aren't supposed to nowadays)
So yes all that just to say "Judeo-Christian" has an actual reason to exist as a word