Ah this has been the easiest to understand and most enjoyable overview of the MiSTer to date. I should have known Clint would not let us down. And man that woodgrain looked great.
The woodgrain is _amazing_. I mean, sure, they absolutely knew who they were sending it to but even with that aside, it _actually_ looks _really_ good. At least in the video. I'm impressed.
I did my postdoc on FPGA implementations and I take my hat off to these people! Even with relatively modern tools it's not a trivial thing to implement someone else's architecture.
luckily we have some very dedicated folks from all across the world who are constantly working on these non-trivial tasks. the beauty of open source means that as technology progresses and we get more capable hardware at better price points, this work can be brought forward to future iterations of the project also. looking forward to open-source portable devices able to leverage FPGA system cores especially, with breakouts to connect to standard displays if desired, of course ^-^
I totally second this. I've done my fair share of hardware/FPGA development over the years, and what is on offer from the MiSTer community is nothing short of awe-inspiring.
Is there a better IDE then Quartus Altera? I had to use it in uni and it felt so janky I preferred editing the files on a notepad app (Kate) and just compiling them there
I think some of the British UA-camrs are impacting Clint -- I can't blame him -- I've started calling things "Fiddly" and "Piece of Kit" myself, as well as beginning tasks saying "Right!"
MiSTer has desperately needed a more "consoleized" version for years, so it's great to see people making something convenient and tidy like this rather than the traditional "squid" setup. I don't think I'll be trading in my passively cooled aluminium case any time soon as size is another factor, but hopefully the multisystem gets more people involved who were perhaps put off by needing to source all the bits of hardware from different sellers.
I like the multisystem board but the 3D printed case is not for me. Mister is such a cool project it really needs something higher quality than a 3D print case. I really hope someone makes a case for it out of higher quality materials.
@@siskavard I'm waiting for the new aluminum case coming out in 2022 from MiSTerAddons. The shape is more basic than the multisystem, but its metal and you can put a 2.5" hard drive inside.
@@NirnBootMod Tbh given the price of micro SD cards now, I'm not sure what the rationale would be for using a hard drive with MiSTer. You'd be limited to USB 2 speeds anyway, and would likely need to switch to a more powerful AC adapter.
@@siskavard I like that the 3d print file is available. The quality of Clint's printed case wasn't great, but a dedicated printing hobbyist could make that case look real nice.
It's interesting to see just how much of a renaissance SCART is living thanks to retrogaming - a European video standard with surprising capabilities now living on in the digital age thanks to these machines.
@@trendybistro Yeah, until FPGA has a clear advantage is just a hobbyist thing and won't truly replace emulation when your PC can play literally everything under the sun.
@@trendybistro my computer far exceeds that spec, and I still prefer to use original hardware or the mister. It's a lot more of a pain in the ass to run my PC to a 15kHz monitor / TV for starters, and this little box is infinitely more portable to boot. Emulation is great, but this kind of project is the true future of 100% accurate classic gaming preservation
I found RMC based on a recommendation you made years ago, when Neil had a few thousand subs. I'm really happy to see his success, since he's such a nice dude who really puts the work in.
I can't believe the market is big enough that stuff like this can even come to fruition. There's a whole world of enthusiasts out there totally off my radar. I love it!
I'd like one setup in a mechanical keyboard case, like an Amiga or Commodore 64 or other 8-16 bit home computer. I've been planning on building one once I've moved and have the deskspace for it.
good freaking luck, looks like it's sold out everywhere. or I mean back-ordered, or as they put it, "Please note - This is Pre-order Batch #2. Expected shipping date is Q2 2022. Initially only the MMS & cases will be available. Deluxe kits for batch #2 will be available in '22 to ensure we have a ready supply of DE10's in stock for them." AKA you might get one "in march of 2023 if you give us the money now." *after the obligatory by this point, many delays.
@@tommytomthms5 Well, you can't expect a small company to work as a corporate electronic factory and mass produce boards for few millions of retro gamers. They need money now to pay other company to print PCBs and get all the parts for the device. And they they have to assembly it themselves or pay others to do it for them. You wouldn't want to invest thousands of $ into something that you may not sell and then stuck with a ton of boards to collect dust...
I am so happy I finally remembered to watch this video cause I forgot this company is from the UK so that I do not have to deal with the og MiSTER and it's limited sellers in Europe. I am so hyped to play arcade games on my C1 and 13" PVM
I was having a really hard time calming down after a sobbing panic attack after a bad day at work. I got in the car and this popped up and as soon as I heard the LGR noises and music I started feeling better lol thank you for these videos
FPGA technology is super rad; I have an FPGA chip in my audio interface that allows for analogue hardware emulation for things like preamps, compressors, tape machines, you name it. I had no idea they were being used for anything else but it totally makes sense that they would be used for this.
@@GoldenPickaxe UAD and Antelope are the only two companies I know that does this, but there might be others out there, but those are the two main ones I can think of. You said you were a composer, so I don't think their audio interfaces are going to be much use to you unless you also mix and master your own music; they make plugins that run in your DAW that utilize their FPGA chips to emulate analogue hardware for tools that you'd use exclusively for mixing audio and I haven't seen any that emulate analogue instruments like synthesizers. They're also pretty expensive units and much of that money is going into how good the quality of the preamps and converters are, so if you record 0 live audio they'll be especially useless for you given the price. They'll usually bundle a bunch of plugins with a unit but each plugin runs on average at about $100 and there are tons of useful plugins that they don't bundle with your gear. But if that's what you need they're pretty essential tools for a home studio, and are extremely cheap compared to owning the real thing.
Funny enough, Galaga is the game I use to test emulation latency. Watching you buzz all the incoming bugs was very satisfying and gives me a lot of hope for the system.
Wow. I didn't even know the technology to replicate the architecture of old consoles and PCs existed. This is wild! I'm so impressed. I'd never heard of MiSTer before but I sure want one now! I bet they will be really hard to come by too. Looks amazing!
The tech has been around for a long time. The only issue has been cost and legality. It's cheaper and more legal to emulate the hardware than to replicate it in newer hardware.
Can I ask you, is this due to better emulation performance than say, retroarch on the PC? Or is it due to nostalgia? As this does look very interesting 👍
@@mwidenst Better emulation I feel. It feels more accurate which I'm putting down to the low latency. It is better playing on a dedicated device than just a PC or laptop too, but the low latency I think makes a big difference especially now as I'm an old, broken wreck of a man!
Question! What is the latest system you can reliably emulate on this? Can it do PS2, PSP, and GameCube? Any similar devices I’ve ever purchased/tried just choke when trying to run them.
@@Spacemutiny I don't think it's likely to do any of those systems any time soon. A Playstation core is nearing completion and a Saturn core is in progress.
This is one of those youtube channels that I watch where I just have to admit I don't know shit about shit. I can't do computers, I couldn't program "hello world" with an entire team of MIT level tutors. But for some reason I just nod and smile and watch 58 million of these. What am I even getting out of this? WHY AM I SO ENTERTAINED?!
I don't feel bad missing out on MiSTer right now since they just keep improving. Someday I'll get one and it won't be one of those things where later revisions are cut down. Full PS1 and Saturn capability will be awesome
I mean, even if MiSTer didnt get any new cores its incredible for what it already has. And you probably wont get more advanced systems than PSX and Saturn. And it has every other console up to that point.
I have a MiSTer setup already and love it, but I'll have to give some serious thought to the Multisystem - I love the form factor way more than the generic 'MiSTer tower' that my current setup has.
I've always found the best stage to gauge input latency is Battletoads on NES. The second to last stage, Clinger Winger, pretty much is impossible with any sort of input latency. Always was a good gauge for me, plus it's a super fun stage.
I hated that game as a kid... Precisely for what you mentioned, it takes skill and I had none. I just stuck to Mario 1 and 3 and still could never beat either. 😆
For me it's being able to perform a hyper knee in Double Dragon 2. It was the first thing I tried when I got my MiSTer and when I could perform it successfully over and over again I sold my Raspberry Pi.
I just loaded up the Gutsman level from Mega Man 1. It isn't as good of a gauge since you can adapt to the lag if you're good enough. But it let me know how much adapting I needed to do.
I plan on getting one once I've saved up enough. The fact that most of the hard work has been done and it gives a complete setup means the price of it(about $400 aud) is well worth it for what it's capable of.
@@j0s1v exactly. Emulation has always been free since the mid 90s. If the emulator your using is janky and is 27 years old the experience will be bad. If the emulator your using is refined and coded well, your experience will be amazing. 🙂
Geez FPGA implementations. This is a game changer. I can’t even begin to describe how powerful is this. This is like changing your software but on hardware level. Which in the end means a much better performance. Implications is massive
When I saw the woodgrain, I was literally shocked and at the same time equally touched. You have made a real legacy in the tech world Clint. Further on, all woodgrain stuff won't be associated with 70/80s tech. It will be associated with LGR.
I was wondering when Clint would make a video covering MiSTer FPGA ;-) I am a satisfied owner of a MiSTer, it's a great system. For me it's an all-in-one retro device, I am discovering new games and systems every day. I purchased mine from ManuFerHi, a spain based manufacturer, fully assembled, with case and SD Card included. I use it on CRT TV (via SCART RGB), CRT VGA monitor and HDMI LCD, it's great on all of them.
As someone who is outside of the 'emulation scene' and therefore unfamiliar with terminology, I'll admit that when I saw the thumbnail of this system and the acronym 'FPGA', I honestly thought that this was some kind of golfing game system! The front even looks like a sensor where you would swing your club lol
And the Ambernic retro emulation handhelds, they even have a couple communities making quite nice custom firmware/operating systems for them. I've been having a blast playing my RG351MP, it's awesome having a pocket sized handheld with so much emulation power and a metal case so I really don't need to worry about bringing it to work to make breaks far more interesting
I've got a batch 1 MMS preorder which I'm eagerly awaiting... you've not helped my impatience, Clint! Great overview, and I'm going to have to get some woodgrain for mine now.
I really love this approach to MiSTer. I much prefer this form factor over the more common "brick". Oh and Neil from RMC - The Cave deserves 100k new subscribers after this fabulous piece of kit!
This is amazing, I've been watching the Mister system for awhile but I just didn't want to have a big sandwich of boards, but THIS on the other hand I am definitely sold now! Thank you for showing this!
What a beautiful project. May have to look into building one for myself. I've heard talk of the project in the background but I had no idea they'd made so much progress.
I'm hoping the expansion port can be used for things like cartridge readers. As convenient as having all your games on a single drive is, the hassle of legally getting them there is something I need to be in the right mood to do, and usually in bursts. The added ease of just throwing your cartridge on (and maybe having options to dump it then and there) would make this a very mouth-watering temptation next time the money is in my favor.
oh hell, i absolutely need to grab one of these when i have the money. i could even print my own case in glow in the dark filament (yes i already know it chews through nozzles, that’s why i have spares) edit: if i do the case myself i could absolutely afford this… this never happens, lmao
@@whoeusbsknsi i just put it there because i don’t need to be told that glow in the dark filament chews up nozzles after a year of printing a lot of glow in the dark stuff and already replacing a nozzle. it really isn’t that deep, and you don’t have to go out of your way to belittle someone who just wanted to avoid having people with good intentions from wasting any of their time giving advice on this to someone who doesn’t need it after typing the original comment and immediately worrying that i’d get more replies/attention than i could handle (it’s happened before) to go out of your way and call a woman who posts a simple comment a bitch and accuse her of trying to be rude when she’s really just not in need of the same advice 400 times in one calendar year makes you seem pretty insecure though
@@ExperimentIV lmfao I for one totally understand why you would include such a statement, it’s saves from every single comment being the same exact thing over and over and over and over.
yeah and with the chip shortage you can have it in your hands by march! no, not this march... I meant march 2023... [estimated from adding another delay to the date listed on the site of Q2/Q3 2022, I say more realistically Q1 of 2023]
This was just the relaxation I needed after many hours at the local DMV. Thanks Clint for many years of relaxing retro antics. I tried thinking of a half dozen words that start with the letter R after relaxing retro... but I'm too tired.
Really impressive. It is hard to believe it works so good, and how much work went into it. Price is also really decent. I am sure an upgraded version, will come one day, which is even better.
The case looks so fantastic with the wood grain! I was very interested to hear your thoughts on AO486 -- it's actually come quite a way from where it was maybe a year and a half ago. The MT32pi is a nice add on as well, though with the new Pi Zero 2 just coming out I'm expecting an improved revision. And Neil has said something about a card add-on version for the Multisystem?
an important note about the pi zero 2, is that mt32-pi currently has a number of issues when used with that device. best to stick with one of the recommendations from the mt32-pi wiki like the pi 3a, currently.
same here. MiSTer was an absolute game changer when I first tried it, compared to emulation I've dabbled with in the past. having everything just run at original speeds and latency right out of the box is quite refreshing, compared to needing to do per-game hacks like runahead on traditional software emulation. I've recorded many experiences with it on my channel to try and share some of that magic with folks who feel the same way you expressed.
***Really*** tempted by one of these! Genuine retro systems are going for crazy prices nowadays, not to mention the problems of storing and hooking them all up.
there are also two-player gameboy and gameboy advance cores, so you can experience those system link games on the same screen, or one person on CRT while the other is on HDMI if you choose. ^-^
@@WalrusFPGA that is admittedly really cool, basically turns the game into a co-op experience, at least as much as possible without modding the game itself
@@UNSCPILOT lots of co-op and vs experiences to be had there. i have some videos from the two-player GBA core for co-op doom 2 and vs in V-Rally 3, also the ending of my Stuntman GBA video has the vs mode on the two-player core.
Back in 1988 I asked my dad what it would take to have a magic box that could be an NES or Sega at the flip of a switch, and he explained that you could put all the hardware for both systems into one box, but that in the future, there would be hardware that could reconfigure itself to fit the circumstances. He was describing FPGA's :) Pop was the smartest person I ever met :)
For how to name what FPGA does - in the world of semiconductors, "emulation" is normally the term used for testing the design on FPGAs. Running a simple program which simulates the hardware is called, ofc, simulation. So only in non-professional world these terms are interchangeable. All the so-called 'emulators' for PC, are simply simulators. For big chips, there are real emulators - huge, expensive racks which have hundreds to thousands of FPGA chips linked together. The synthesized hardware description (Register Transfer Logic, RTL) is loaded into them. This is how chips are tested before they become chips.
One really exciting benefit to FPGA "hardware emulation" is the possibility of overclocking to smooth out sluggish framerates that existed on the original hardware. For example, being able to run a Neo Geo core at higher than 12Mhz can do wonders for the framerate in Metal Slug games.
Oh yeah, that looks really nice! I haven't looked into how this works, but it seems like an ideal future proof solution to archiving games if the core code can be easily transitioned to future FPGA hardware.
Now that AMD has acquired Xilinx, I'm sure we're going to see a new generation of even more powerful low cost FPGAs, possibly configured with x86 cores
It'll be interesting to see what this community will do with those, and I hope AMD will do what they can to support it to some degree, much like how they've been supporting the Linux community where they can
Cool! I use an original MIST (the one you mentioned at 13:30) in an Amiga case, ideal for that purpose, especially because of the vga port, which is standard, and the cheaper price. Oh, and it has a midi and a ps2 interface as standard, additional to two controller ports to use original controllers/hardware with your core (amiga, atari, c64, pcengine, nes, snes, you name it) for even less lag! but this is nice, too! 😁👍 (PS: the Mist has a tad less power than the Mister, but it comes with a neat little metal case - that you can remove if you want to use the device in another enclosure or you just use it as a little console, no assembly required, everything’s neat and tidy - and doesn’t need active cooling, which is a huge bonus for me 😄)
Freakin love the MiSTer. I have to get a new one though. Take care of that micro USB guys, the mini USB doesn't work for controllers and the likes. Plus, PSX core is up and running games!
@SNES Nes There isn't one yet, but there is a Sega Saturn one that's working. It's got a lot of graphical glitches but it's still in development after all. The PSX core is also in public beta. ua-cam.com/video/bo1GgF6X-7A/v-deo.html check this out.
ZX Spectrum Next, closer to "single purpose" FPGA consoles that emulates Z80, Z81 and Spectrum has been around since 2017, and the "Next 2" is on Kickstarter now, and various other projects have come out, like the Vampire 4, which emulates a Amiga with a "68080" chip.. They have just concentrated on a "single platform" more or less and hide the fact that it has an FPGA. Because the MiSTER software is Open Source, a bunch of engineers have donated they're cores and time to make them run on the Terasic DE-10 nano (but not the DE-10 standard, lite or mini) This makes it harder to profit and retain control, and it's taken years to get together hardware like this to sell. Nothing particularly new about FPGA console emulators however.
Absolutely love the project. Only little thing I have with it is the 3D printing itself, it doesn’t look that good (as in layer-line issues and such), which makes it very nice they provide to model to print yourself!
It just needs to be finished. It's so common, but I'm still always kind of surprised at how often people use 3D prints straight off the printer. At least some sanding and maybe a finishing layer make them look so much better.
@@sweaterfish6311 Well yes for a hobby, for production I totally get that that would take way too much time. But what I’m seeing is that the printing itself is not very good. Not super important, just a thing I noticed.
I know your channel from the good old sims 3 aria... haaa, was this time so much better this days, or at least the people hat more real motivation to be nice... what so ever I love your channel because you where never fake, saying always the truth wih your personal kind of humor and for all the time you spend to keep that here going I wanna say thank you so much. I wish you from the bottom of my heart a very beloved christmas time and a new year. Because you deserve it. Cheers^^
Just another perfect review and also of a super system :) Thank you. My mms is almost at my doorstep now. Hope to see some more mms stuff in the future :)
Makes perfect sense, Give yourself more credit , you are highly comprehensible to the sophomore and the freshmen, well done ( Love the positive yet easy going way of the narration).
That PCB with the case for ~$275? That's... about right! A good price for a good product. Really fantastic work on this thing, and it shows. Shooting a monitor with a camera can easily make it look worse, never better. And the results here are really great.
I've watched every video you've ever posted. I fall asleep watching your vids, but then re-watch content when awake so I don't miss anything. You have a very soothing voice and editing style. Plz keep posting videos. You're my favorite UA-camr. Also - your hands are looking way thinner. Did you lose weight? If so - congrats! If not - looking great!
I feel like every gamer owes it to themselves to have a solid dedicated device to many favorite retro gaming devices. MiSTer is a great example of such a device, I'd also argue that a modded Wii U is a fantastic option as well, it's what I use and it's become my favorite gaming system I own, despite also owning newer and more powerful systems.
Absolutely love the concept of the MiSTer, even if I myself choose to get the cheaper Ambernic RG351MP handheld, it only has access to software emulators but it's still plenty of fun, and pocket sized so I can bring it to work and make breaks much, much more fun. If the MiSTer multi system ever starts getting produced in larger volumes I will probably endeavour to grab one!
Ah this has been the easiest to understand and most enjoyable overview of the MiSTer to date.
I should have known Clint would not let us down. And man that woodgrain looked great.
Thank you! Tried my best to keep it understandable.
I fully agree. LTT made quite hash of it in comparison, by being terrible at explaining what FPGA is.
The woodgrain is _amazing_. I mean, sure, they absolutely knew who they were sending it to but even with that aside, it _actually_ looks _really_ good. At least in the video. I'm impressed.
@@Unholy_Louie ua-cam.com/video/eDg5c_-eUr8/v-deo.html
That's the one. :)
@@Unholy_Louie ua-cam.com/video/eDg5c_-eUr8/v-deo.html this one
I did my postdoc on FPGA implementations and I take my hat off to these people! Even with relatively modern tools it's not a trivial thing to implement someone else's architecture.
luckily we have some very dedicated folks from all across the world who are constantly working on these non-trivial tasks. the beauty of open source means that as technology progresses and we get more capable hardware at better price points, this work can be brought forward to future iterations of the project also. looking forward to open-source portable devices able to leverage FPGA system cores especially, with breakouts to connect to standard displays if desired, of course ^-^
Especially the quirks of the bus system between the chips.
I totally second this. I've done my fair share of hardware/FPGA development over the years, and what is on offer from the MiSTer community is nothing short of awe-inspiring.
Is there a better IDE then Quartus Altera? I had to use it in uni and it felt so janky I preferred editing the files on a notepad app (Kate) and just compiling them there
I'm doing my senior thesis on usage of FPGAs in mobile devices. Doing all my testing on an Arty Z7-20 with a Zynq-7000 chip
I think some of the British UA-camrs are impacting Clint -- I can't blame him -- I've started calling things "Fiddly" and "Piece of Kit" myself, as well as beginning tasks saying "Right!"
I think Clint has secretly been to the UK and done some meet and greets. 😬
MiSTer has desperately needed a more "consoleized" version for years, so it's great to see people making something convenient and tidy like this rather than the traditional "squid" setup. I don't think I'll be trading in my passively cooled aluminium case any time soon as size is another factor, but hopefully the multisystem gets more people involved who were perhaps put off by needing to source all the bits of hardware from different sellers.
I like the multisystem board but the 3D printed case is not for me. Mister is such a cool project it really needs something higher quality than a 3D print case. I really hope someone makes a case for it out of higher quality materials.
i said from the start that people were waiting on a console-style case for the project
@@siskavard I'm waiting for the new aluminum case coming out in 2022 from MiSTerAddons. The shape is more basic than the multisystem, but its metal and you can put a 2.5" hard drive inside.
@@NirnBootMod Tbh given the price of micro SD cards now, I'm not sure what the rationale would be for using a hard drive with MiSTer. You'd be limited to USB 2 speeds anyway, and would likely need to switch to a more powerful AC adapter.
@@siskavard I like that the 3d print file is available. The quality of Clint's printed case wasn't great, but a dedicated printing hobbyist could make that case look real nice.
It's interesting to see just how much of a renaissance SCART is living thanks to retrogaming - a European video standard with surprising capabilities now living on in the digital age thanks to these machines.
*laughs In European*
Or just buy a 1k computer and play everything ever shown on this channel infinitely better.
@@trendybistro Yeah, until FPGA has a clear advantage is just a hobbyist thing and won't truly replace emulation when your PC can play literally everything under the sun.
@@trendybistro sometimes having a piece of hardware is just more fun...
@@trendybistro my computer far exceeds that spec, and I still prefer to use original hardware or the mister. It's a lot more of a pain in the ass to run my PC to a 15kHz monitor / TV for starters, and this little box is infinitely more portable to boot.
Emulation is great, but this kind of project is the true future of 100% accurate classic gaming preservation
it cheers me up quite alot to see Emulation going this professional.
good nostalgia is the one that was exactly as good as you remember it.
I found RMC based on a recommendation you made years ago, when Neil had a few thousand subs. I'm really happy to see his success, since he's such a nice dude who really puts the work in.
I can't believe the market is big enough that stuff like this can even come to fruition. There's a whole world of enthusiasts out there totally off my radar. I love it!
I'm enjoying watching the MiSTer do the rounds of my favourite youtubers.
They made you a wood grain version! This colab knows how to do marketing.
Alright, that’s legitimately the coolest hobbiest engineering project I’ve seen since the Pi, and thank you for introducing me to it.
It’s way better
Solid crossover! You’ve gotta go visit his museum when you can!
MiSTer is the best, I've been waiting for a dedicated "console" version to get a second one. STOKED
I'd like one setup in a mechanical keyboard case, like an Amiga or Commodore 64 or other 8-16 bit home computer. I've been planning on building one once I've moved and have the deskspace for it.
good freaking luck, looks like it's sold out everywhere. or I mean back-ordered, or as they put it, "Please note - This is Pre-order Batch #2. Expected shipping date is Q2 2022. Initially only the MMS & cases will be available. Deluxe kits for batch #2 will be available in '22 to ensure we have a ready supply of DE10's in stock for them."
AKA you might get one "in march of 2023 if you give us the money now." *after the obligatory by this point, many delays.
@@tommytomthms5 Well, you can't expect a small company to work as a corporate electronic factory and mass produce boards for few millions of retro gamers. They need money now to pay other company to print PCBs and get all the parts for the device. And they they have to assembly it themselves or pay others to do it for them. You wouldn't want to invest thousands of $ into something that you may not sell and then stuck with a ton of boards to collect dust...
I am so happy I finally remembered to watch this video cause I forgot this company is from the UK so that I do not have to deal with the og MiSTER and it's limited sellers in Europe. I am so hyped to play arcade games on my C1 and 13" PVM
I put in for mine can't wait till next winter when I have one.
I love my MiSTer FPGA. I was considering getting this at some point to upgrade it.
I was having a really hard time calming down after a sobbing panic attack after a bad day at work. I got in the car and this popped up and as soon as I heard the LGR noises and music I started feeling better lol thank you for these videos
RMC! Thanks for shouting this out for Neil! You rock Clint.
The MiSTer's use of FPGA is such a cool idea!
FPGA technology is super rad; I have an FPGA chip in my audio interface that allows for analogue hardware emulation for things like preamps, compressors, tape machines, you name it. I had no idea they were being used for anything else but it totally makes sense that they would be used for this.
Yeah, they're quite magical, can be reprogrammed to almost any logical hardware
I cant wait to get one of these! Does the Multisystem board 'require' the DE10 nano?
imagine when classic synths get implemented in fpga
i didn't know there were FPGA analogue audio implementations and as a composer i'd love to know where you got one
@@GoldenPickaxe UAD and Antelope are the only two companies I know that does this, but there might be others out there, but those are the two main ones I can think of. You said you were a composer, so I don't think their audio interfaces are going to be much use to you unless you also mix and master your own music; they make plugins that run in your DAW that utilize their FPGA chips to emulate analogue hardware for tools that you'd use exclusively for mixing audio and I haven't seen any that emulate analogue instruments like synthesizers. They're also pretty expensive units and much of that money is going into how good the quality of the preamps and converters are, so if you record 0 live audio they'll be especially useless for you given the price. They'll usually bundle a bunch of plugins with a unit but each plugin runs on average at about $100 and there are tons of useful plugins that they don't bundle with your gear. But if that's what you need they're pretty essential tools for a home studio, and are extremely cheap compared to owning the real thing.
Funny enough, Galaga is the game I use to test emulation latency. Watching you buzz all the incoming bugs was very satisfying and gives me a lot of hope for the system.
Wow. I didn't even know the technology to replicate the architecture of old consoles and PCs existed. This is wild! I'm so impressed. I'd never heard of MiSTer before but I sure want one now! I bet they will be really hard to come by too. Looks amazing!
The tech has been around for a long time. The only issue has been cost and legality. It's cheaper and more legal to emulate the hardware than to replicate it in newer hardware.
I really hope LGR unearth's some weird Christmas themed software so we can get a Christmas special this year, they make me so nostalgic.
It's not Christmas without an LGR christmasware video
I just thought that yesterday!
Last year was pretty disappointing, he only uploaded two videos iirc. The third one was a non christmas vid.
@@NotApplicable555 Er, what? LGR uploaded nearly 40 videos in the previous year.
Delighted with this review Clint. I've had an MMS for a few months now testing it and it's wonderful. It's so much better than software emulation.
Can I ask you, is this due to better emulation performance than say, retroarch on the PC? Or is it due to nostalgia? As this does look very interesting 👍
@@mwidenst Better emulation I feel. It feels more accurate which I'm putting down to the low latency. It is better playing on a dedicated device than just a PC or laptop too, but the low latency I think makes a big difference especially now as I'm an old, broken wreck of a man!
Question! What is the latest system you can reliably emulate on this? Can it do PS2, PSP, and GameCube? Any similar devices I’ve ever purchased/tried just choke when trying to run them.
@@Spacemutiny I don't think it's likely to do any of those systems any time soon. A Playstation core is nearing completion and a Saturn core is in progress.
@@DaveVelociraptor ah ok thanks, so this is for 8 and 16 bit systems primarily. I’m def still going to look into getting one. Seems very cool.
This is exactly what I've been looking for. Awesome video as always LGR! Simply awesome.
This is one of those youtube channels that I watch where I just have to admit I don't know shit about shit. I can't do computers, I couldn't program "hello world" with an entire team of MIT level tutors. But for some reason I just nod and smile and watch 58 million of these.
What am I even getting out of this? WHY AM I SO ENTERTAINED?!
I don't feel bad missing out on MiSTer right now since they just keep improving. Someday I'll get one and it won't be one of those things where later revisions are cut down. Full PS1 and Saturn capability will be awesome
I mean, even if MiSTer didnt get any new cores its incredible for what it already has. And you probably wont get more advanced systems than PSX and Saturn. And it has every other console up to that point.
I have a MiSTer setup already and love it, but I'll have to give some serious thought to the Multisystem - I love the form factor way more than the generic 'MiSTer tower' that my current setup has.
I've always found the best stage to gauge input latency is Battletoads on NES. The second to last stage, Clinger Winger, pretty much is impossible with any sort of input latency. Always was a good gauge for me, plus it's a super fun stage.
This is why the Rare Replay version of it is virtually impossible to complete without constant rewinding.
Thats a good game, also Mike Tysons Punch out fighting Mike Tyson is a good indicator of input latency as well.
I hated that game as a kid... Precisely for what you mentioned, it takes skill and I had none.
I just stuck to Mario 1 and 3 and still could never beat either. 😆
For me it's being able to perform a hyper knee in Double Dragon 2. It was the first thing I tried when I got my MiSTer and when I could perform it successfully over and over again I sold my Raspberry Pi.
I just loaded up the Gutsman level from Mega Man 1. It isn't as good of a gauge since you can adapt to the lag if you're good enough. But it let me know how much adapting I needed to do.
I plan on getting one once I've saved up enough. The fact that most of the hard work has been done and it gives a complete setup means the price of it(about $400 aud) is well worth it for what it's capable of.
Every time I see a video on this thing, I wish I could justify splurging and getting one. It's a beautiful system, and just so cool.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Emulation is free, and well enough.
@@j0s1v exactly. Emulation has always been free since the mid 90s. If the emulator your using is janky and is 27 years old the experience will be bad.
If the emulator your using is refined and coded well, your experience will be amazing. 🙂
Geez FPGA implementations. This is a game changer. I can’t even begin to describe how powerful is this. This is like changing your software but on hardware level. Which in the end means a much better performance. Implications is massive
The USB ports that get concealed under the case, to allow for dongles to be hidden, is a very nice touch.
The one on the left is USB, the USB 3.0 connector on the right is for SNAKs, not real USB devices
When I saw the woodgrain, I was literally shocked and at the same time equally touched.
You have made a real legacy in the tech world Clint. Further on, all woodgrain stuff won't be associated with 70/80s tech. It will be associated with LGR.
I love my MiSTer! The MT32pi is awesome along with it too! 😎
I was wondering when Clint would make a video covering MiSTer FPGA ;-)
I am a satisfied owner of a MiSTer, it's a great system. For me it's an all-in-one retro device, I am discovering new games and systems every day. I purchased mine from ManuFerHi, a spain based manufacturer, fully assembled, with case and SD Card included. I use it on CRT TV (via SCART RGB), CRT VGA monitor and HDMI LCD, it's great on all of them.
Thank you for an excellent review and giving this hardware expansion kit the respect it deserves 🙌
As someone who is outside of the 'emulation scene' and therefore unfamiliar with terminology, I'll admit that when I saw the thumbnail of this system and the acronym 'FPGA', I honestly thought that this was some kind of golfing game system! The front even looks like a sensor where you would swing your club lol
reviewing new hardware is now what retro computing is all about - love it! (love to see a review of the MEGA65)
And the Ambernic retro emulation handhelds, they even have a couple communities making quite nice custom firmware/operating systems for them.
I've been having a blast playing my RG351MP, it's awesome having a pocket sized handheld with so much emulation power and a metal case so I really don't need to worry about bringing it to work to make breaks far more interesting
Oh man, I've been drooling over these ever since Neil teased these months ago! I really ought to bite the bullet at some point...
I've got a batch 1 MMS preorder which I'm eagerly awaiting... you've not helped my impatience, Clint! Great overview, and I'm going to have to get some woodgrain for mine now.
I really love this approach to MiSTer. I much prefer this form factor over the more common "brick".
Oh and Neil from RMC - The Cave deserves 100k new subscribers after this fabulous piece of kit!
FPGAs are a really game-changing technology. I have a cartridge for my C64 which has an FPGA core and can emulate huge ranges of hardware.
This is amazing, I've been watching the Mister system for awhile but I just didn't want to have a big sandwich of boards, but THIS on the other hand I am definitely sold now! Thank you for showing this!
the sandwich is really tiny though, and there are several case designs so it's not just hanging out.
Still this is a great development.
Just bought into the MiSTer. Maybe one day I'll buy that console version. I plan to have it hooked to my PVM
The work on creating that PCB is amazing
One console to rule them all
... and in the mancave bind them! =)
@MrDjBigZ Shame to miss out on all the lootboxes from modern games.
I like that they simply let the product do the talking for them.
The case is like a beautiful mixture of an Atari and PC Engine.
What a beautiful project. May have to look into building one for myself. I've heard talk of the project in the background but I had no idea they'd made so much progress.
the big problem now is that DE-10 prices are getting much higher
This is quite cool for a retro gamer… I would love this.
I'm hoping the expansion port can be used for things like cartridge readers. As convenient as having all your games on a single drive is, the hassle of legally getting them there is something I need to be in the right mood to do, and usually in bursts. The added ease of just throwing your cartridge on (and maybe having options to dump it then and there) would make this a very mouth-watering temptation next time the money is in my favor.
Neil is taking over UA-cam.
Great to see this gaining some traction. RMC has been my go-to for the past two years since discovering his interview with Jon St. John.
That tate monitor for 1943 just got my heart pumping faster...
Great and pleasant as always! I was expecting it after Anthony (LTT) did a Shortcircuit video on the MiSTer.
oh hell, i absolutely need to grab one of these when i have the money. i could even print my own case in glow in the dark filament (yes i already know it chews through nozzles, that’s why i have spares)
edit: if i do the case myself i could absolutely afford this… this never happens, lmao
@@whoeusbsknsi i just put it there because i don’t need to be told that glow in the dark filament chews up nozzles after a year of printing a lot of glow in the dark stuff and already replacing a nozzle. it really isn’t that deep, and you don’t have to go out of your way to belittle someone who just wanted to avoid having people with good intentions from wasting any of their time giving advice on this to someone who doesn’t need it after typing the original comment and immediately worrying that i’d get more replies/attention than i could handle (it’s happened before)
to go out of your way and call a woman who posts a simple comment a bitch and accuse her of trying to be rude when she’s really just not in need of the same advice 400 times in one calendar year makes you seem pretty insecure though
@@ExperimentIV lmfao I for one totally understand why you would include such a statement, it’s saves from every single comment being the same exact thing over and over and over and over.
@@DrakeDaraitis lmao i appreciate the understanding! i wasn’t trying to be an ass
@@ExperimentIV But I think Daniel was, and he succeeded!
yeah and with the chip shortage you can have it in your hands by march! no, not this march... I meant march 2023... [estimated from adding another delay to the date listed on the site of Q2/Q3 2022, I say more realistically Q1 of 2023]
This was just the relaxation I needed after many hours at the local DMV. Thanks Clint for many years of relaxing retro antics. I tried thinking of a half dozen words that start with the letter R after relaxing retro... but I'm too tired.
DOS on the FPGA... What a time to be alive.
Really impressive. It is hard to believe it works so good, and how much work went into it.
Price is also really decent.
I am sure an upgraded version, will come one day, which is even better.
The case looks so fantastic with the wood grain! I was very interested to hear your thoughts on AO486 -- it's actually come quite a way from where it was maybe a year and a half ago. The MT32pi is a nice add on as well, though with the new Pi Zero 2 just coming out I'm expecting an improved revision. And Neil has said something about a card add-on version for the Multisystem?
an important note about the pi zero 2, is that mt32-pi currently has a number of issues when used with that device. best to stick with one of the recommendations from the mt32-pi wiki like the pi 3a, currently.
I love my MiSTer, but basically never use the ao486 core. It doesn't make a ton of sense if you have a modern PC with dosbox and Munt IMO.
Amazing product and excellent video. Thanks so much for the awesome content as usual!
I've always found the response time or input lag to be very important, some arcade games are nearly unplayable with just 50-100ms lag.
same here. MiSTer was an absolute game changer when I first tried it, compared to emulation I've dabbled with in the past. having everything just run at original speeds and latency right out of the box is quite refreshing, compared to needing to do per-game hacks like runahead on traditional software emulation. I've recorded many experiences with it on my channel to try and share some of that magic with folks who feel the same way you expressed.
mister is GREAT! it aims for cycle accurate "simulation"
that's the benefit to an FPGA approach here, it's as close as you can get to simply building the system anew
***Really*** tempted by one of these!
Genuine retro systems are going for crazy prices nowadays, not to mention the problems of storing and hooking them all up.
This makes Mister seem wayyyyy more appealing to me
"LGR Edition", Clint you must be so proud.
The Pokémon game looked really good in terms of scaling. I’m impressed.
there are also two-player gameboy and gameboy advance cores, so you can experience those system link games on the same screen, or one person on CRT while the other is on HDMI if you choose. ^-^
@@WalrusFPGA that is admittedly really cool, basically turns the game into a co-op experience, at least as much as possible without modding the game itself
@@UNSCPILOT lots of co-op and vs experiences to be had there. i have some videos from the two-player GBA core for co-op doom 2 and vs in V-Rally 3, also the ending of my Stuntman GBA video has the vs mode on the two-player core.
Back in 1988 I asked my dad what it would take to have a magic box that could be an NES or Sega at the flip of a switch, and he explained that you could put all the hardware for both systems into one box, but that in the future, there would be hardware that could reconfigure itself to fit the circumstances. He was describing FPGA's :) Pop was the smartest person I ever met :)
For how to name what FPGA does - in the world of semiconductors, "emulation" is normally the term used for testing the design on FPGAs. Running a simple program which simulates the hardware is called, ofc, simulation. So only in non-professional world these terms are interchangeable. All the so-called 'emulators' for PC, are simply simulators.
For big chips, there are real emulators - huge, expensive racks which have hundreds to thousands of FPGA chips linked together. The synthesized hardware description (Register Transfer Logic, RTL) is loaded into them. This is how chips are tested before they become chips.
Great step into making the MiSTer more accessible and tidying up the setup. Hopefully there will be more to come!
One really exciting benefit to FPGA "hardware emulation" is the possibility of overclocking to smooth out sluggish framerates that existed on the original hardware. For example, being able to run a Neo Geo core at higher than 12Mhz can do wonders for the framerate in Metal Slug games.
Oh yeah, that looks really nice! I haven't looked into how this works, but it seems like an ideal future proof solution to archiving games if the core code can be easily transitioned to future FPGA hardware.
It can indeed, that’s the goal! Should be ideal for future preservation.
@@LGR Awesome!
It already has been, as MiSTer is descended from the MiST project which itself is descended from Minimig hardware.
The woodgrain is perfect.
There's nothing quite like LGR Fridays. Love it.
Now that AMD has acquired Xilinx, I'm sure we're going to see a new generation of even more powerful low cost
FPGAs, possibly configured with x86 cores
Yay for competition
It'll be interesting to see what this community will do with those, and I hope AMD will do what they can to support it to some degree, much like how they've been supporting the Linux community where they can
I just wanted to say you have the best video quality on youtube. Always super sharp.
MiSTer is legit! Just booted mine up and beat the speeder bike level in battle toads. Weird flex, but hey.
Cool! I use an original MIST (the one you mentioned at 13:30) in an Amiga case, ideal for that purpose, especially because of the vga port, which is standard, and the cheaper price. Oh, and it has a midi and a ps2 interface as standard, additional to two controller ports to use original controllers/hardware with your core (amiga, atari, c64, pcengine, nes, snes, you name it) for even less lag! but this is nice, too! 😁👍 (PS: the Mist has a tad less power than the Mister, but it comes with a neat little metal case - that you can remove if you want to use the device in another enclosure or you just use it as a little console, no assembly required, everything’s neat and tidy - and doesn’t need active cooling, which is a huge bonus for me 😄)
MiSTer's active cooling very rarely kicks in
When you were talking about the switches being linear and clicky I felt weirdly validated for being a mechanical keyboard nerd!
This is the first new gear I’ve seen in a while that actually looks useful and fun a f. Cool to see an open project done well
I still feel weird hearing “Intel Cyclone”…long live Altera. I miss you.
By Far the best starting caption yet [Non-Emulated Jazz Music]
Freakin love the MiSTer. I have to get a new one though. Take care of that micro USB guys, the mini USB doesn't work for controllers and the likes. Plus, PSX core is up and running games!
@SNES Nes There isn't one yet, but there is a Sega Saturn one that's working. It's got a lot of graphical glitches but it's still in development after all. The PSX core is also in public beta.
ua-cam.com/video/bo1GgF6X-7A/v-deo.html
check this out.
mini usb??
Thanks for making this video, I had no idea a FPGA console "emulator" actually existed in practical form! This is super cool, and well-explained.
ZX Spectrum Next, closer to "single purpose" FPGA consoles that emulates Z80, Z81 and Spectrum has been around since 2017, and the "Next 2" is on Kickstarter now, and various other projects have come out, like the Vampire 4, which emulates a Amiga with a "68080" chip.. They have just concentrated on a "single platform" more or less and hide the fact that it has an FPGA. Because the MiSTER software is Open Source, a bunch of engineers have donated they're cores and time to make them run on the Terasic DE-10 nano (but not the DE-10 standard, lite or mini) This makes it harder to profit and retain control, and it's taken years to get together hardware like this to sell. Nothing particularly new about FPGA console emulators however.
Absolutely love the project. Only little thing I have with it is the 3D printing itself, it doesn’t look that good (as in layer-line issues and such), which makes it very nice they provide to model to print yourself!
It just needs to be finished. It's so common, but I'm still always kind of surprised at how often people use 3D prints straight off the printer. At least some sanding and maybe a finishing layer make them look so much better.
Yeah that case's finish is dog shit.
@@sweaterfish6311 Well yes for a hobby, for production I totally get that that would take way too much time. But what I’m seeing is that the printing itself is not very good. Not super important, just a thing I noticed.
I know your channel from the good old sims 3 aria... haaa, was this time so much better this days, or at least the people hat more real motivation to be nice... what so ever I love your channel because you where never fake, saying always the truth wih your personal kind of humor and for all the time you spend to keep that here going I wanna say thank you so much. I wish you from the bottom of my heart a very beloved christmas time and a new year. Because you deserve it. Cheers^^
This was a perfect opportunity to bust out the rotating CRT. That thing and the MiSTer is a TATE match made in heaven!
If only the MiSTer supported that CRT's specific display requirements
@@LGR I thought it would work with a standard 31khz VGA signal. Use forced_scandoubler=1 in the mister.ini.
Just another perfect review and also of a super system :) Thank you. My mms is almost at my doorstep now. Hope to see some more mms stuff in the future :)
theyve gotta make the woodgrain available to the rest of us
Don’t have enough time to dedicate to having my own MiSTer but I do enjoy watching people use it
is that a tiny Noctua fan?
Yes it's a 40mmx10mm.
Makes perfect sense, Give yourself more credit , you are highly comprehensible to the sophomore and the freshmen, well done ( Love the positive yet easy going way of the narration).
LOL non-emulated jazz music!
Dude I absolutely love this thing!!! I'm just now finding out about this. Thank u!!
Can hardly wait for mine to be delivered! Thanks for the preview!
That PCB with the case for ~$275? That's... about right! A good price for a good product. Really fantastic work on this thing, and it shows. Shooting a monitor with a camera can easily make it look worse, never better. And the results here are really great.
16:37 “An expanded MISTer” sounds like a euphemism lol
Dude, I didn't know about all this, thanks for the overview!
Excellent video, and I'm glad to know your opinion on the ao486 core. Hopefully it will keep improving.
I've watched every video you've ever posted. I fall asleep watching your vids, but then re-watch content when awake so I don't miss anything. You have a very soothing voice and editing style.
Plz keep posting videos. You're my favorite UA-camr.
Also - your hands are looking way thinner. Did you lose weight? If so - congrats! If not - looking great!
Rocker switch for the power is definitely a good idea. A nice clean snap to on or off.
I feel like every gamer owes it to themselves to have a solid dedicated device to many favorite retro gaming devices. MiSTer is a great example of such a device, I'd also argue that a modded Wii U is a fantastic option as well, it's what I use and it's become my favorite gaming system I own, despite also owning newer and more powerful systems.
Absolutely love the concept of the MiSTer, even if I myself choose to get the cheaper Ambernic RG351MP handheld, it only has access to software emulators but it's still plenty of fun, and pocket sized so I can bring it to work and make breaks much, much more fun.
If the MiSTer multi system ever starts getting produced in larger volumes I will probably endeavour to grab one!