Theorycrafter Reviews C0 Neuvillette! | Playstyle, Weapon Calcs, Team Building Issues

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2024

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  • @jamiekb9v
    @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +54

    Edit: we've got a discord now! Join the community: discord.gg/8wFqNX83XB
    New codes: 6T8NWE3HD7PD and AS97CE45EUER
    Let me know if you guys enjoyed this one, it's my first time doing an initial impressions review like this 🙏 His charge attack is so cool!

    • @ariariAkari
      @ariariAkari Рік тому

      His passive's buff is based on max hp, so losing hp shouldn't affect that right?
      you talked about that near 3:00 mark.

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +7

      @@ariariAkari it uses his current hp, so the buff should be decreasing as you charge attack

  • @oatmeeru
    @oatmeeru Рік тому +111

    i had a weird dream about a hydro character with a 30s duration, off-field oz (i think there were multiple oz's?) which also provided dmg% to the entire team in a way that neuvillette could easily use without complex setups.

    • @blubby5822
      @blubby5822 Рік тому +43

      wow i had the same dream, that character was also quite a brat

    • @psyk0oooo
      @psyk0oooo Рік тому +14

      @@blubby5822 also that character had a hat in my exact same dream

    • @overscore2097
      @overscore2097 Рік тому +3

      I had a similar dream where that character gives a 95% damage bonus when paired with neuvi, and that neuvillette’s c1 was designed with that character in mind!

    • @-fenrisulfr-690
      @-fenrisulfr-690 Рік тому

      Weird I had same dream 🤔

    • @dott8348
      @dott8348 Рік тому +1

      @@overscore2097the 95% buff is very hard to get in my dream

  • @SF3098
    @SF3098 Рік тому +8

    love the bottom right collei, keep putting it

  • @Mr.Hot_Take
    @Mr.Hot_Take Рік тому +16

    Well done, Jamie! I have to say, I really appreciate these day 1 guides. But not many, if any, TCers provide such detailed, comprehensive, well-communicated information. I can safely say I need basically no other video to know everything I needed to. I appreciate your hard work and thanks again!

  • @dimmiek1413
    @dimmiek1413 Рік тому +7

    Thank you for making the last point of being patient with this unit while he still feels a little bit incomplete. For those of us who were going to pull him anyway because we like his character or design etc, it's important to give him that room to grow.
    This is something we really should have learned from Nilou's and Cyno's releases last year, and it's worth bringing up again.

  • @RuriGoko
    @RuriGoko Рік тому +4

    Never thought you're gonna post in day 1, but 24 min on full knowledge.. I'll take it anyday!

  • @dinglueliu7998
    @dinglueliu7998 Рік тому +9

    At first I thought you were just gonna make comments on leaks, and thought it was funny that the video was coming out 30 mins before the patch.
    Anyways, very cool and epic video, very informative and educational. Thanks for your hard work!

  • @ViniciusFigueiredo19
    @ViniciusFigueiredo19 Рік тому +11

    19:10 anyone following leaks knows which character this theoretical idea fits almost perfectly lmao

  • @bendis9611
    @bendis9611 Рік тому +5

    Thank you for all the info! Hope we get better teams for him in the future, he kinda feels wasted in hyperbloom

  • @anonymousduh1424
    @anonymousduh1424 Рік тому +1

    First time here. Very well made video 👍🏻

  • @platinooah245
    @platinooah245 Рік тому +3

    altho im gonna roll for him on his rerun, this video answered my question on whether i can run hp goblet on him or not. thanks so much!

  • @Rhyhmx
    @Rhyhmx Рік тому +1

    Will have to see in a few weeks, but I feel like based on how every Fontaine character had a HP-sac mechanic so far it's safe to assume that Furina will expand on this mechanic pontentially counteracting it or exploiting it and if that's true then maybe Nuvilette was tailor made to work with her in tandem especially with C1 which effectively gives you a free slot to work with.

  • @eastonair
    @eastonair Рік тому

    Congrats on getting access to the media server!

  • @dalzmc
    @dalzmc Рік тому

    Perfect timing, I'm very curious about him after how fun the trial was! Thanks as always

  • @nope8798
    @nope8798 Рік тому +5

    furina will fit perfectly in his team, (sub dps, high uptime, buff, heals)

    • @LuneWatcher
      @LuneWatcher Рік тому +13

      I really feel like he was hinting at that, plus he put Fischl in her slot, and Furina has a similar personality to Fischl's persona. Or I'm reading too much into this

    • @jebx7801
      @jebx7801 Рік тому +6

      ​@@LuneWatcher you are

  • @wideozludrawz
    @wideozludrawz Рік тому

    loving the vid, great quality as usual

  • @WI-FI_GOD
    @WI-FI_GOD Рік тому +1

    This is my team
    Zhongli
    Fischl
    Sucrose
    Neuvillette
    And I’m using the prototype weapon
    I’m not change this team
    Y’all got to remember y’all don’t need a perfect team synergy all the time
    Some times I feel like everyone tries a little too hard to get everything picture perfect

  • @ga45madrilla
    @ga45madrilla Рік тому

    that what hoyo does in other games too first hook you with shiny new DPS and then release supports that feel smoother and unleash full potential.

  • @sycamorewest
    @sycamorewest Рік тому +59

    Jamie this is uncharacteristic of you to release on day-1 haha - please don't go down the path of other CCs in the rat race to release and take your time!

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +72

      I'll still have my normal quality and take my time for 90% vids, but this day 1 vid is a huge opportunity to grow the channel
      still, thank you for the feedback I really do appreciate it!

    • @amvbro7033
      @amvbro7033 Рік тому +13

      I understand the concern but it is fair for him to release first impressions. Like Jamie said in the video he did do some calcs on him while not as much as the ones he mains currently , it is not like calcs need weeks to be made .
      I think the issue usually comes from pre releases never first impressions of theory crafters because when u play character u get a good idea of how the practice works in comparaison to just the numbers , while in pre releases u are just talking about none existing possibilities like how beidou interruption is very good with him but when u try it in game 80% of the attacks stagger you so it takes in game testing witch he did try
      Also it is good for him to take this opportunity he has and grow his audience ❤ after all he puts so much work into the content he makes and for it to be as unbiased and truthful as possible

    • @KorraMea
      @KorraMea Рік тому +17

      I thought this vid was still very thorough and helpful regardless of the release speed. Also, I want Jamie to be able to capitalize on the view counts and clicks that come with a newly released characters. This will allow him to grow his channel more and somewhat compensate him for the work he does. Of course, I'm still looking forward to a more in-depth video later down the line.

    • @sycamorewest
      @sycamorewest Рік тому +4

      No worries mate. It was more a gut reaction, the vid is high quality still!@@jamiekb9v

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +6

      @@sycamorewest it’s ok I understand the concern!

  • @blakeandcamp
    @blakeandcamp Рік тому

    Thankfully despite the lack of supports that directly help him, his damage on his own is so strong that it mitigates that a bit. Furina will definitely be a boost for him and I'm curious to see what other characters end up pairing well with him going forward. Definitely a character with a ton of potential.

  • @butterfer0808
    @butterfer0808 Рік тому +8

    Bro trying his best to not laugh when talking about "potential" new hydro characters. Do you recon Neuv + Furina + Kazuha + flex would be the best core by far? I'm sceptical about the last slot because it seems that a healer would be mandatory.

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +6

      Sorry, I don’t look at leeks and I can’t help with it, these were just my genuine own ideas I recorded a few days ago

    • @verzetta
      @verzetta Рік тому +1

      I look at them, yes for pure damage it will be the strongest core. Charlotte seems to be an interesting option for the flex slot.

    • @butterfer0808
      @butterfer0808 Рік тому +1

      @@verzetta80 cost solo cryo. Recipe for disaster

    • @verzetta
      @verzetta Рік тому +1

      @@butterfer0808 Yeah, but providing reaction + teamwide heal. ER can be managed with the cost of her personal damage (close to non-existent). Her C4 returns ~10 energy (similar to double cryo's worth) and A1 enables her to use skill 2-3 times per rotation (more particles), plus ER sands and Fav. Not really sure who's the best between her or Baizhu or Qiqi for this role, so i concluded her as "interesting" option. We might get a non-hydro healer in the future that might synergize best with him, let's see.

  • @anyaaa2801
    @anyaaa2801 Рік тому +1

    He's sooo majestic. He's already doing 5k per charged attack w talent lvl 1 at lvl 50.

  • @yurcchello
    @yurcchello Рік тому

    with c1 Neuvi get almost 100% uptime interruption resistance. it works when he starts charging attack and not consuming stamina

  • @madh-3388
    @madh-3388 Рік тому

    i love it how ur telling everyone to play him with furina without saying it LOL thanks for the content brother !

  • @Jamelon
    @Jamelon Рік тому +1

    The problem of hyper carry teams is that bringing hydro characters without reactions feels like a waste. On the other hand his own damage is very high. I did not expect that at all, even though I watched leaks, those 28k tics outright surprised me. What to do...

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +1

      of course you can play hydro characters without reactions! reactions are just one part of overall team damage

  • @arandiel1817
    @arandiel1817 Рік тому +1

    I am very sorry if I've missed it in the video but what is the soft cap for hp? I will be using Sacrifical Jade and I couldn't decide between two hydro goblets - one has high cv, other one has %25 HP. What is the diminishing return point for HP?

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +1

      there isn't one, between the two pieces, you would either have to check with an optimiser or just test in game which one does more dmg. just make sure to account for crit rate differences!

  • @sauravthegreat
    @sauravthegreat Рік тому +7

    In that hyperbloom team you tried with Nahida Raiden Baizhu,
    try replacing Nahida with Kazuha and Raiden with Fischl
    It works much better
    3 stacks instantly
    Electrocharged Swirl in AoE and Hyperbloom in ST
    Both Neuvillette's and Fischl's damage is boosted alot by vv shred
    Nahida applies too much dendro to swirl properly,so she wouldn't fit in.
    And you have electrocharged swirl damage in AoE,so you don't need AoE dendro application anyway.

    • @flygon727
      @flygon727 Рік тому +2

      You run raiden to proc the actual hyperbloom reaction, fischl doesn't reliably hit the seeds and electro swirls don't happen often enough.
      If your playing fischl kazuha might as well stick to taser teams and run zhongli in the last slot or beidou

    • @sauravthegreat
      @sauravthegreat Рік тому +4

      @@flygon727 Nope Kazuha procs hyperblooms instead
      Electro swirls do happen enough in my experience even with hydro infusion

    • @sauravthegreat
      @sauravthegreat Рік тому

      @@flygon727 It happens quite reliably in this even when hydro infused
      ua-cam.com/video/kX7CJERGev4/v-deo.htmlsi=1O7fg5P7tna1Cbv7

    • @flygon727
      @flygon727 Рік тому +2

      @@sauravthegreat He does but its no where near the frequency of how many hblms you'd get with raiden/kuki

    • @sauravthegreat
      @sauravthegreat Рік тому +1

      @@flygon727 Thing is it may not matter as much here since Baizhu produces 1 seed per second and 2 seed per 2 sec and Kazuha covers that just fine.If you were using Nahida or Alhaitham or even Baizhu driver that's a different thing.
      Also now considering that,would it be good to give up an entire spot for a second hyperbloom trigger when that spot can be used for doing aggravate
      damage? Especially when your buffing with VV shred and reaction bonus and aggravate reaction

  • @GabeIG
    @GabeIG Рік тому +2

    Mona is for sure his best hydro teammate

  • @vycery7873
    @vycery7873 Рік тому

    what ur thought about neuvilette hyperbloom team with zhongi, nahida, raiden?

  • @natachamartins9835
    @natachamartins9835 Рік тому

    Dehya it's a good team mate for burgeon. I'm playing him c0r0 since release and found very hard to consistently get 3 stack on his passive with the zhong, kazoo, fischl team, unless you found an enemy that have a elemental aura or shield. So now I'm playing him with nahida, kazoo n Dehya and it's easier to maintain his 3 stack up and Dehya do a decent job increasing interruption resistance besides the few hits that vaporize does almost double dmg, only down side being the big cooldown on Dehya skill that I compensate using her burst to burn time

  • @philkersonchong9848
    @philkersonchong9848 Рік тому

    You forgot the cryo flex like rosaria and burst ayaka or just a straight up freeze team replacing zhongli if enemies are freezable to have good aoe that will also be synergistic with kazuha. Anyway, just have to wait for furina hydro archon for the double hydro team in the future.

  • @NingYAYA
    @NingYAYA Рік тому

    I am a bit late for this one but can you make a video about hos rotations on his teams? People like me and rest in the subreddit is looking for a proper rotation for such team especially in taser where it is very hard to swirl + get hydro crystal because of electro.

  • @VienTriDat
    @VienTriDat Рік тому

    thanks for the video. one question. do you think Neu and Dehya can be teammate, and what is the best rotation? thanks

  • @ThaoHoang-pb2nq
    @ThaoHoang-pb2nq Рік тому

    He can actually drive in nilou bloom with proto amber and self heal. Even his A1 only gets one stack it's still a bloom team and deal high damage

  • @paulaabelenda5867
    @paulaabelenda5867 Рік тому

    Question: does Neuvillete works well with Nilou? I’m wondering because I wish to maintain Kokomi in the permafreeze team, without having to switch artifacts sets everytime. Also, is Layla’s C4 a good buff for Neuvillete?

    • @ViniciusFigueiredo19
      @ViniciusFigueiredo19 Рік тому

      In Nilou he would probably need some extra healing and without C1 some interruption resistance that basically only kirara or baizhu could provide, definitely not the most optimal version of Bloom. Im thinking about testing my C6 Layla to see it, but I imagine it should still be worse than a Zhongli since the numbers aren't that big(the freeze should be nice tho)

  • @R.Lee03
    @R.Lee03 Рік тому

    Love this

  • @tufol33k78
    @tufol33k78 Рік тому

    Hi thanks for the vid!
    You mentioned Hunter set and 2pc/2pc, but how would rank 4pc Nymps or 4pc HoD?

    • @verzetta
      @verzetta Рік тому

      HoD good, better than Nymphs. MH still wins by a large margin though.
      This is the artifact performance calculation:
      4 Marechaussee Hunter - 100%
      4 Heart of Depth - 89%
      2 HP% 2 HP% - 87%
      2 Hydro 2 HP% - 87%
      4 Retracing Bolide - 86%
      2 Hydro 2 Hydro - 86%
      2 HP% 2 MH - 86%
      4 Nymph's Dream - 85%
      4 Wanderer's Troupe - 85%
      2 Hydro 2 MH - 84%

  • @putent9623
    @putent9623 Рік тому

    So far he is... interesting to say the least

  • @Vizible21
    @Vizible21 Рік тому

    Idk why people always slot Raiden with just about anything when she's literally the worst electro to use in some instances. Aside from applying electro, Yae can literally do more damage using Nahida's em buff. Not to mention the fact that if you take Raiden, she's going to take a huge chunk of time from Neuvellitte doing her burst. More time than setting up 3 turrets and burst animation from Yae. It's funny how when it comes to other characters "taking too much time" is an issue but Raiden is apparently immune? Sure her skill set up is faster and maybe other people would argue to just not use her burst. Then you literally defeat the purpose of taking her in the first place.

  • @termina2737
    @termina2737 Рік тому

    So if Yelan is C4+, is she worth playing on Neuv’s team?

  • @rahulkambhampati5919
    @rahulkambhampati5919 Рік тому

    What about widsith and lost prayers compared to prototype amber?

  • @dazai2172
    @dazai2172 Рік тому +1

    How well does he work in Nilou bloom teams? Is teams like nilou, nahida, neuvillette and baizhu or yao yao viable?

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому

      when I tried it, it didn't seem viable enough to make into the video

    • @I.M.T.S
      @I.M.T.S Рік тому

      Imo because Neuvillette don't have any off-field hydro application, in Nahida, Kokomi, Nilou, Baizhue comp he'd be downgrade to Kokomi. Also you'd have to build him full EM which is not ideal. If you're looking to upgrade Nilou comp I think Furina is the one to get. But its still not clear if Furina's combined off and on field hydro application will be comparable to on-field Kokomi. I often use this Nilou comp and I also pulled Neuvi so this is based on my experience.

    • @dazai2172
      @dazai2172 Рік тому +1

      Ok thanks. It's just that when I became a nilou main, I started having a insatiable hunger to get all hydro and dendro characters for nilou😅. As long as they work well with nilou , they are must pull for me. So are teams like nilou, nahida, ayato, baizhu and nilou, alhaitham,yelan, baizhu good?

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому

      @@dazai2172 ayato is just want to play him but yea the others work very well

  • @juand0194
    @juand0194 Рік тому

    how do you feel about venti instead of kazuha? honestly neuvillette ca into a black hole just sounds very fun

  • @n-dawwg2570
    @n-dawwg2570 Рік тому

    Nice vid, character looks so cool but I hate that they made his teams suck to sell you his C1 so probably going to skip for now

  • @Maxieixam
    @Maxieixam Рік тому

    Lets say they make an ayato that does offield dmg and give support, wouldnt dehya be a better slot for neuv

  • @kalsir4985
    @kalsir4985 Рік тому

    Which hydro char could possibly work well with him... :P Gonna need c1 to maximize a double hydro team though.

  • @HimeofLight
    @HimeofLight Рік тому

    Wouldn't Raiden with full EM be better than Fich?

  • @vht1
    @vht1 Рік тому +2

    nahida dendro app is too much and strong for neuvi to clear it. as a result, the electro unit cant proc EC. so u basically gain 1 only stack

  • @kumikostan69
    @kumikostan69 Рік тому +1

    Ngl i disagree with your thoughts on his c1 and shielding needs, i've been playing around with him for a while now and because of his range, and how quickly he moves during CA, i didn't really notice interruption being a problem

  • @sentience3033
    @sentience3033 Рік тому +1

    Is Kokomi’s sig weapon will work on him?

    • @juiced4825
      @juiced4825 Рік тому +1

      yes, it is more hp than prototype, but won't refill energy

    • @whitecheeze_rf
      @whitecheeze_rf Рік тому +1

      Only for HP stat and little healing bonus

    • @maheza56
      @maheza56 Рік тому +2

      Donut for HP% stat stick is fine but not better than Proto Amber, because neuvillete cannot using donut passive because his play style using CA and Donut passive work for NA and healing Bonus wasted stat for him.

  • @cheekysaurus7109
    @cheekysaurus7109 Рік тому

    is donut good on him? it seems like a good stat stick for him

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому

      worse than prototype amber unfortunately. neuvillette doesnt use the passive well

  • @kratos830
    @kratos830 Рік тому

    is everlasting moonglow better than prototype amber?

  • @justinlight449
    @justinlight449 Рік тому

    A bit disappointed, he really needs his c1, not just for interruption resistance but to be able to play with Furina, and Furina is kinda very const hungry too as I've seen, so I probably will wait for Furina and get Neu on a rerunmb even his c1 if he rly gonna perform super good

    • @MaiTwoVtuber
      @MaiTwoVtuber Рік тому

      just use a sheilder diona's literally on his banner

    • @reactiondavant-garde3391
      @reactiondavant-garde3391 Рік тому +1

      His C1 is good for interruption resistence and for the stack, but how much Furina buff him even without it he will be good to use with her and you can use a shielder with him, like Diona or Layla or Zhongli (best option). I think maybe Charlotte will be good as well, not because the shield but because she heals and apply cryo as well so you can play double hydro freez team.

    • @hydreigon2709
      @hydreigon2709 Рік тому

      Yeah unfortunatly I lost my 50/50 on his C1, id really have loved to have him at Full Power with Furina and Charlotte...

  • @I.M.T.S
    @I.M.T.S Рік тому

    As someone who pulled all Hydro characters to date, although unpopular may be this is my honest early opinion- Neuvillette's use case is similar to Ayato but Ayato is more versatile with less drawbacks. Due to how well Neuvillette can use the new artifact set his personal damage is higher than Ayato but I feel like team dps will depend on skill of the user. Ayato comp has higher floor compared to Neuvillette comp but I am not actually certain if Neuvillette comp has higher celling than Ayato's.

    • @I.M.T.S
      @I.M.T.S Рік тому

      @@calvin659 My comment was based on my personal experience with both Ayato and Neuvi. Granted Neuvillette was just released so My perception may change more I use him. I hope you're also speaking from your own experience.
      Sure Ayato's skill has 6s downtime but his burst only has 2s as such you don't feel his downtime as your setting up supports when his skill is on cooldown. Neuvillette's proper rotation also requires his burst so I don't feel one has better uptime than other. But Neuvillette does has on demand hydro application as a catalyst user so that's a plus.
      In a vacuumed Neuvillette has more damage than Ayato but as a Atk scaling character with some Hp% bonus Ayato can use use more Artifact sub-stat and has access to more weapons variety so its easier to reach his damage potential. Unlike Neuvillette, Ayato can use Bennett, XQ, Yelan, Thoma, all form of Atk% and Atk speed buff. Moreover Ayato do not lose damage if he is not in a rainbow comp and he handles getting staggered better than Neuvillette. If Neuvillette gets staggered you essentially loose one-third of a rotation damage.
      I have all hydro characters but I still pulled Neuvillette because I think his play-style is interesting but I try to understand what problems a character has so that I can find ways to mitigate those to better enjoy using the character I pulled.

  • @andrzejat6163
    @andrzejat6163 Рік тому

    fischl is not good with him, because you only do one reaktion with his charge attack. Beidou is much better, because her ult works with charge attacks

  • @nashi5036
    @nashi5036 Рік тому

    Wait, how can u be this fast

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +2

      Did the lucas strat 😅

  • @herexcellency4304
    @herexcellency4304 Рік тому

    chasm ost enjoy W

  • @MRLawrence99
    @MRLawrence99 Рік тому +1

    Is it just me or are you sounding A LOT more british in this video compared to the others

    • @jamiekb9v
      @jamiekb9v  Рік тому +4

      maybe it depends on the time of day i record these things lol

  • @jokesonu3412
    @jokesonu3412 Рік тому +3

    Limited and kinda niche

  • @liyrical
    @liyrical Рік тому

    jamie not saying balls in this video makes me very sad