Hi Tom, the cable Tecsun sent you had a stereo plug on it. Try a cable with mono plugs. I know that when I used a stereo plug in a radio one time it didn`t work. The internal contact surfaces in the radio jack and the plug don`t line up.
Tom ! The loop antenna works best when you have it side by side with radio so in essence you have to pull the radio out of the corner and place it along the right side of the radio and then tune it it works great with my radios good video !
I have that antenna and use it with a small radio (Tecsun PL-360). Works very well, a little better than the little external ferrite that comes with the radio. Both together work very well (just parking it very close to an AM radio does work, so well I quit fiddling with the cable at all. You want a mono audio cable, not stereo :). It'll make a radio with a poor AM antenna receive much better. But that Grundig already has an excellent antenna, you probably won't improve on it much. Always love the show, keep 'em up.
To compare cables (supplied vs ur audio) u could use an ohmeter to check continuity. U have a 3 connector plug ending in 2 open wires -- so an ohmeter cud tell if one of the plug connectors is a dummy for ur circuit. Then it wud be nice to know what 2 connectors are the ones which shud be active on the radio & does ur audio cable feed the right outputs.
I use this loop passively (no direct wire connection) with my Panasonic RF-2200, which also has a rotating ferrite rod antenna like your Grundig. I first tune the ferrite for the best signal from a weak station then move the loop into a position about an inch away from the end of the ferrite and 90 degrees to it. Then, by adjusting the loop's tuning dial I get a really significant signal bounce that shows up on the radio's signal strength meter and produces much better audio reception. The loop dial adjustment is extremely sensitive, so you have to use a safe-cracker's hand, but it really does work well. Other radios may react differently and may require a different procedure, but experiment a lot and don't give up.
+aeron Williams I am planning on doing more testing as I am new to loop antennas. I have seen other videos were it helps a lot but they appear to be radios that don't have a very good built-in AM antenna,
I'm curious how this would work for receiving on the 160 meter amateur band, which is a medium-wave band just above the regular AM broadcast band (1800 to 2000 kHz).
Hector Plasmic is right about the mono audio cable, not stereo. That is what I use. And tuning 530 kHz is all the way counterclockwise and 1710 kHz. every time change stations on your radio you have to tune the antenna. Keep trying you'll get used to it.
+MIKE MAYERAN It is strange that the supplied cable has a stereo plug on one end and two conductor bare wire on the other end. I will try a mono cable next.
They say you have to position the loop antenna perpendicular to the built- in ferrite of your Grundig desktop radio. Your loop is way far from your radio.
I am seeing this long after, but I've head three AM loop antennas. THey need to be inductively linked (by close proximity) to the radio's antenna (usually the ferrite rod inside--in the case of the Grundig Satellite 800, it's on the side). They work very well and produce a marked peak at "Q". If you've plugged your loop antenna in, it may not disconnect an external antenna, whose strength of signal may obviate much of what the loop does: pea/null signals and ameliorate noise. They truly do work well.
Actually the best way is how the guy in video did, with an actual antenna cable hooked up the radio, but just putting the radio close to the antenna also works on AM.
I’m thinking about getting one of these antennas for... my wrist watch. I have a Casio Protrek PRW3000 and it has atomic time keeping in it but being in Australia I can only get the Japan signals if conditions are perfect. I have seen some people trying to make loop antennas for the watch and placing the watch in the loop but I think getting one of these would be best because if it doesn’t work for the watch it will work for my PL660 :) And once again Tom, nice video!
This loop works exceptionally well with a direct connection to the Tecsun PL-330 on AM. It actually gets a much cleaner signal than my CCrane EP PRO and Sangean PR-D4W at night on target stations. It turns the PL-330 into a DX monster! I can`t wait to move to try some AM external antenna experiments with the 330. I made a 4 ft loop from a solar panel box to get the lower AM band so I can get a strong signal on 870 WWL New Orleans. I plan to modify some larger loops for a direct connection.
The Grundig 750 has a strong internal antenna. This passive compact size loop antenna won't do much help at all. It's designed for compact size radio. The box picture is kind of misleading.
For portable radios with built-in "AM ferrite loopstick antennas" no connection needed. It is done by placing the radio beside the loop, experiment with orientation, and "mutual coupling" will occur. The entire radio and antenna can be moved to best capture the radio station you desire. But most stereo receivers and tuners lack the ferrite loopstick, so a wired connection is necessary. The wire hamrad88 shows would be used to connect the antenna to the AM and Ground terminals. Only the sleeve and tip of the connector are used, so a mono plug can be used for the antenna. That plug is a 3.5 mm aka 1/8". But as hamrad88 did, you can use either a mono or stereo 1/8" (3.5 mm) audio cable for radios with the AM jack. On Amazon I found some neat 3.5 plug that have a green block on back and screw terminals. I bought these, quite inexpensive, and used 22 ga stranded insulated hookup wire. I just twisted them together. The larger wire gave a better bite from the terminals on my stereo gear. The plugs are listed as PL-CN11-2 (2/pkg) or PL-C11-5 (5/pkg) sold by CablesOnline.
Hello Tom, Just a suggestion, on your shortwave radios that do not have an external antenna jack, try plugging your G5RV into the loop and place it next to the radio and tune it. Medium wave should come in better. In reality you could use your Grundig anyway and plug the jack plug into it. I would like to see how that works. All the best.
+mike leone Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to make an adapter cable but the idea is not to have an outside antenna (many people can not install outside antennas.)
I understand completely. For those people that do have an external antenna and want better medium wave reception on their portable radios, this is a good option. You can use the same adapter hooked to your G5RV that you plug into your portables to receive shortwave. I would really like to see if this works for you. I am using a similar setup for my Tecsun pl-660. Take care.
Hi Tom, The AN-200 is a nicely designed "portable" loop but it is rather meant to be used with a portable radio. The best results are obtained with the radio INSIDE the loop. Try it with your PL 880 on a weak daytime station. Once rotated in the right direction and finely tuned, you will be amazed ! I have a homemade mini-loop about the same size that I use with my PL 880 and I think I will get some transatlantic DX when conditions improve a little bit, with only that minimalistic equipment ! The only thing I don't like about the AN-200 is that you cannot lay the radio flat inside the loop. You have to hold it all the time ;-)) Best 73
+TSF36 Thanks for the input. I don't understand why it did not work that well using the cable. Maybe the 750 reception is already good with its fancy AM rotatable antenna. Will try it with a little AM radio.
+Sérgio Pimenta (CT2048SWL) Here is the video I saw. Note the radio he is using probably has a very small internal MW anatenna (hence they supply an external antenna). ua-cam.com/video/hSs4clu8gFc/v-deo.html
Tom, I own this loop but just made a loop with 16 turns of 24 AWG magnet wire slightly spaced on a 16 inch pizza box using a 450pf tuning capacitor and it`s far far better. You can see a demonstration on my channel of a station over 140 miles away using a Tecsun PL-660.
I found gold plated 3.5 to 3.5 mm works very well for antennas to radio equipment connection and radio equipment to such. Beyond that, enjoyed your Video. WK0Y
I wanted to get AM happening on my system, until I looked at the local channel listing. Out of perhaps 50 available stations, only one would be worthwhile…. which means it’s not worth the effort.
U may well have gotten different effects by tilting the antenna off of the vertical. I have no idea what the impedance of the audio connectors is nor of the audio cable. My guess is that the shorter the better on that cable. But it is a shame if we don't know the impedance of the loop, the connectors, the cable, & the radio input circuit -- these impedances shud all match. Also, if u are changing from balance to unbalanced signal at some point, I think u would need a balun at that point. IMHO a loop is intrinsically balanced, but coax cable is for unbalanced & grounded shield signal.
Why would there be a station on 575 kHz? Surely that would be either 570 or 580 kHz (or 576 kHz if you're in 9 kHz spacing territory). The stereo plug has me a bit baffled. You only need 2 conductors. A desktop radio with external antenna connection will be better served by a more proper antenna, locate outside away from electrical noise generators. In my opinion, the best way to use a loop antenna that size is with a portable, probably not connected by wire. And somewhere out in the field away from the RFI of civilization. Place the radio close to (or inside of) the loop, make sure the internal ferrite bar antenna is aligned in the same direction as the loop, otherwise nulling ability will be compromised. Adjust the tuning knob on the loop to peak the tuned frequency on the radio, then rotate the loop and radio together to either null out noise (if it's coming from only one direction) or to null out an unwanted station to hear another one coming in from a different direction. Keep in mind that the null is pretty sharp, and the the radio/loop hast to be rotated "just so" to get the maximum effect. I use a radio shack 15-1853, which is of the same class as this AN-200. I use it with a sony SRF-M37V Walkman rubber banded inside the loop. It works great that way. (See mesamike.org/radio/SRF-M37V/m37v-loop.jpg)
I think your lack of good results may be because you are all ready using a really good radio with a good aerial system. I would have thought better results would be obtained using a cheaper radio.
Do you have a CCRadio? I have two different types.They’re still in production and have 2 AM external screws on the back of the radio. To top the loop antenna get yourself a Twin Coil Ferrite antenna. Then go and get a long paint roller handle with wooden extension. Remove the roller assembly and discard it. Size and cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the frame of the paint roller. Drill holes along the sides of the plywood and zip tie plywood inside the paint roller frame. Measure mounting screws from Twin Coil Ferrite antenna and mount it inside the paint roller frame on the plywood. Get an old standing lamp and remove everything electrical about it. Insert the assembled antenna handle inside the neck of the standing lamp. NEVER TURN THE ANTENNA MORE THAN A QUARTER TURN. It should be enough.
If you are in the America’s, there’s nothing on 585 and 575 kHz, Stations on AM are 10kHz spaced, elswhere in the world AM on lw and mw are 9kHz apart. I have this combination too. You need to tune the antenna with much more accuracy. And rotate it likewise. For this purpose I have the PL-880 and the AN-200 placed on a small plastic turntable. The AN-200 is a perfect little gem but as I said, you need to be much more accurate tuning and turning it. Greetings from Hekelinge, Holland. Willem.
Why o why did you not use it on the PL880 you have on the table. That radio has no MW antenna input jack, so using the coil alone on that radio should improve the signal strength. So come on Tom think things through, and try it on the PL880.
You doing it wrong. The ring meed to be centered at the end (sitting parrallel to end as if you were going to pass end of radio throug it) or set perpendicular in back center of radio (sideways to radio such that from front you don't see loop). Sais differently needs I be aligned with the ferrite bar. I have one, it is indespensible. Half the stations, actually more, I would never pick up without it. The tuner numbers are frequencies! They arn't random numbers! The slightest tiny bit on that dial csn make huge dif. Connecting it is relatively useless compared to just using it passively. I almost never connect mine. I hsve same radio you do except "called" Eton 750.
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I just recently purchased this from Amazon.I love it,the Am stations now comes in real good.Nightime is the best time to tune in. Amazing.
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Hi Tom, the cable Tecsun sent you had a stereo plug on it. Try a cable with mono plugs. I know that when I used a stereo plug in a radio one time it didn`t work. The internal contact surfaces in the radio jack and the plug don`t line up.
+1fanger OK, I will give it a try but my stereo cable seems to work but how good? I will see.
My am loop antenna has mono plugs both ends
Tom ! The loop antenna works best when you have it side by side with radio so in essence you have to pull the radio out of the corner and place it along the right side of the radio and then tune it it works great with my radios good video !
I would use a good rf cable with good shielding between the radio and loop so you can get the best nulls.
I have that antenna and use it with a small radio (Tecsun PL-360). Works very well, a little better than the little external ferrite that comes with the radio. Both together work very well (just parking it very close to an AM radio does work, so well I quit fiddling with the cable at all. You want a mono audio cable, not stereo :). It'll make a radio with a poor AM antenna receive much better. But that Grundig already has an excellent antenna, you probably won't improve on it much.
Always love the show, keep 'em up.
To compare cables (supplied vs ur audio) u could use an ohmeter to check continuity. U have a 3 connector plug ending in 2 open wires -- so an ohmeter cud tell if one of the plug connectors is a dummy for ur circuit. Then it wud be nice to know what 2 connectors are the ones which shud be active on the radio & does ur audio cable feed the right outputs.
does anyone know if this would work on the 1930s tube radios ????
My guess is yes.
@@hamrad88 thanks buddy I really appreciate that !!!!! I'll give it a try , thanks again :)
I use this loop passively (no direct wire connection) with my Panasonic RF-2200, which also has a rotating ferrite rod antenna like your Grundig. I first tune the ferrite for the best signal from a weak station then move the loop into a position about an inch away from the end of the ferrite and 90 degrees to it. Then, by adjusting the loop's tuning dial I get a really significant signal bounce that shows up on the radio's signal strength meter and produces much better audio reception. The loop dial adjustment is extremely sensitive, so you have to use a safe-cracker's hand, but it really does work well.
Other radios may react differently and may require a different procedure, but experiment a lot and don't give up.
+John Young Thanks for your inputs. Please watch my follow-up shows.
Tom
Interesting result. I ve heard that if you place a portable radio close to the loop you can also improve the AM receive ?
+fredintheshed1 Yes and I tried that several times with only slight improvement. I am going to test it with a small radio that has poor reception.
Guess as its passive you could use it outside. it looks pretty cool as well.
Interesting passive tuned antenna... thanks for the kitty and Mr. hand cameos :)
+SpectreOZ You are very welcome and thanks for your support of my channel.
Tom
hamrad88 I like the content... I keep coming back :)
Plus Mr. Hand is quite a legend! LOL
thanks ... I've been thinking about getting one of those
+aeron Williams I am planning on doing more testing as I am new to loop antennas. I have seen other videos were it helps a lot but they appear to be radios that don't have a very good built-in AM antenna,
I'm curious how this would work for receiving on the 160 meter amateur band, which is a medium-wave band just above the regular AM broadcast band (1800 to 2000 kHz).
Excellent question.
Hector Plasmic, I can't reply directly to your comments but thanks.
Tom
If anybody knows what setting controls that and how to get to it, let me know?
+Hector Plasmic You need to go to your Google + setting and allow replies.
Hector Plasmic is right about the mono audio cable, not stereo. That is what I use. And tuning 530 kHz is all the way counterclockwise and 1710 kHz. every time change stations on your radio you have to tune the antenna. Keep trying you'll get used to it.
+MIKE MAYERAN It is strange that the supplied cable has a stereo plug on one end and two conductor bare wire on the other end. I will try a mono cable next.
on my Tecsun PL360 when you unplug the external MW antenna it is a mono plug. I tried a stereo and I didn't seem to work as well.
+MIKE MAYERAN Thanks for the info.
They just gave you the wrong cable. Mine came with the connector on both ends, like you’d expect. QC problem.
They say you have to position the loop antenna perpendicular to the built- in ferrite of your Grundig desktop radio. Your loop is way far from your radio.
I am seeing this long after, but I've head three AM loop antennas. THey need to be inductively linked (by close proximity) to the radio's antenna (usually the ferrite rod inside--in the case of the Grundig Satellite 800, it's on the side). They work very well and produce a marked peak at "Q". If you've plugged your loop antenna in, it may not disconnect an external antenna, whose strength of signal may obviate much of what the loop does: pea/null signals and ameliorate noise. They truly do work well.
Thanks for the info and have a great day.
Actually the best way is how the guy in video did, with an actual antenna cable hooked up the radio, but just putting the radio close to the antenna also works on AM.
I’m thinking about getting one of these antennas for... my wrist watch. I have a Casio Protrek PRW3000 and it has atomic time keeping in it but being in Australia I can only get the Japan signals if conditions are perfect. I have seen some people trying to make loop antennas for the watch and placing the watch in the loop but I think getting one of these would be best because if it doesn’t work for the watch it will work for my PL660 :) And once again Tom, nice video!
+BennyDubya Hmmm?
+hamrad88 Japan signal (JJY) is on 40kHz and 60kHz. Any thoughts if the loop would help?
+BennyDubya Sorry, I am too new to these to answer your question. Maybe someone else can.
+hamrad88 Thats ok. I think I will get one down the track and test it. Worse case scenario it'll be another antenna to add to the collection.
+Rafael Fontanet Thanks for the info
This loop works exceptionally well with a direct connection to the Tecsun PL-330 on AM. It actually gets a much cleaner signal than my CCrane EP PRO and Sangean PR-D4W at night on target stations. It turns the PL-330 into a DX monster! I can`t wait to move to try some AM external antenna experiments with the 330. I made a 4 ft loop from a solar panel box to get the lower AM band so I can get a strong signal on 870 WWL New Orleans. I plan to modify some larger loops for a direct connection.
Maybe bec you were using the not specified mono cable.
My brand new Sangean radio has screw in antenna connection.
Big prob 4 me: the issues of impedance matching & balanced vs unbalanced are undetermined.
The Grundig 750 has a strong internal antenna. This passive compact size loop antenna won't do much help at all. It's designed for compact size radio. The box picture is kind of misleading.
For portable radios with built-in "AM ferrite loopstick antennas" no connection needed. It is done by placing the radio beside the loop, experiment with orientation, and "mutual coupling" will occur. The entire radio and antenna can be moved to best capture the radio station you desire. But most stereo receivers and tuners lack the ferrite loopstick, so a wired connection is necessary. The wire hamrad88 shows would be used to connect the antenna to the AM and Ground terminals. Only the sleeve and tip of the connector are used, so a mono plug can be used for the antenna. That plug is a 3.5 mm aka 1/8". But as hamrad88 did, you can use either a mono or stereo 1/8" (3.5 mm) audio cable for radios with the AM jack. On Amazon I found some neat 3.5 plug that have a green block on back and screw terminals. I bought these, quite inexpensive, and used 22 ga stranded insulated hookup wire. I just twisted them together. The larger wire gave a better bite from the terminals on my stereo gear. The plugs are listed as PL-CN11-2 (2/pkg) or PL-C11-5 (5/pkg) sold by CablesOnline.
Thanks for the detailed comment.
Hello Tom,
Just a suggestion, on your shortwave radios that do not have an external antenna jack, try plugging your G5RV into the loop and place it next to the radio and tune it. Medium wave should come in better. In reality you could use your Grundig anyway and plug the jack plug into it. I would like to see how that works. All the best.
+mike leone Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to make an adapter cable but the idea is not to have an outside antenna (many people can not install outside antennas.)
I understand completely. For those people that do have an external antenna and want better medium wave reception on their portable radios, this is a good option. You can use the same adapter hooked to your G5RV that you plug into your portables to receive shortwave. I would really like to see if this works for you. I am using a similar setup for my Tecsun pl-660. Take care.
Hi Tom,
The AN-200 is a nicely designed "portable" loop but it is rather meant to be used with a portable radio. The best results are obtained with the radio INSIDE the loop. Try it with your PL 880 on a weak daytime station. Once rotated in the right direction and finely tuned, you will be amazed !
I have a homemade mini-loop about the same size that I use with my PL 880 and I think I will get some transatlantic DX when conditions improve a little bit, with only that minimalistic equipment !
The only thing I don't like about the AN-200 is that you cannot lay the radio flat inside the loop. You have to hold it all the time ;-))
Best 73
+TSF36 Thanks for the input. I don't understand why it did not work that well using the cable. Maybe the 750 reception is already good with its fancy AM rotatable antenna. Will try it with a little AM radio.
+hamrad88 or maybe a stereo cable does not connect properly. Try a mono cable or solder a mono jack to the end of the cable that was provided...
+TSF36 I will give that a try too. Thanks
What is that person did you saw demonstrating the Tecsun AN-200 loop antenna?
+Sérgio Pimenta (CT2048SWL) Here is the video I saw. Note the radio he is using probably has a very small internal MW anatenna (hence they supply an external antenna).
ua-cam.com/video/hSs4clu8gFc/v-deo.html
+SuperToshua thanks!
+Sérgio Pimenta (CT2048SWL) Great channel. I subscribed.
Thank you very much for subscribing!
Tom, I own this loop but just made a loop with 16 turns of 24 AWG magnet wire slightly spaced on a 16 inch pizza box using a 450pf tuning capacitor and it`s far far better. You can see a demonstration on my channel of a station over 140 miles away using a Tecsun PL-660.
Awesome
I found gold plated 3.5 to 3.5 mm works very well for antennas to radio equipment connection and radio equipment to such. Beyond that, enjoyed your Video. WK0Y
O plug do cabo de antena devia ser MONO
I wanted to get AM happening on my system, until I looked at the local channel listing. Out of perhaps 50 available stations, only one would be worthwhile…. which means it’s not worth the effort.
I can pick up stations 960 miles away with loop, without absolutly nothing. Loop "makes" AM listening!
U may well have gotten different effects by tilting the antenna off of the vertical. I have no idea what the impedance of the audio connectors is nor of the audio cable. My guess is that the shorter the better on that cable. But it is a shame if we don't know the impedance of the loop, the connectors, the cable, & the radio input circuit -- these impedances shud all match. Also, if u are changing from balance to unbalanced signal at some point, I think u would need a balun at that point. IMHO a loop is intrinsically balanced, but coax cable is for unbalanced & grounded shield signal.
Noticed some improvement, just not a significant improvement like some of the better made AM antennas such as CC Cranes.
Thanks for the info and have a nice day.
Why would there be a station on 575 kHz? Surely that would be either 570 or 580 kHz (or 576 kHz if you're in 9 kHz spacing territory).
The stereo plug has me a bit baffled. You only need 2 conductors.
A desktop radio with external antenna connection will be better served by a more proper antenna, locate outside away from electrical noise generators.
In my opinion, the best way to use a loop antenna that size is with a portable, probably not connected by wire. And somewhere out in the field away from the RFI of civilization.
Place the radio close to (or inside of) the loop, make sure the internal ferrite bar antenna is aligned in the same direction as the loop, otherwise nulling ability will be compromised.
Adjust the tuning knob on the loop to peak the tuned frequency on the radio, then rotate the loop and radio together to either null out noise (if it's coming from only one direction) or to null out an unwanted station to hear another one coming in from a different direction. Keep in mind that the null is pretty sharp, and the the radio/loop hast to be rotated "just so" to get the maximum effect.
I use a radio shack 15-1853, which is of the same class as this AN-200. I use it with a sony SRF-M37V Walkman rubber banded inside the loop. It works great that way. (See mesamike.org/radio/SRF-M37V/m37v-loop.jpg)
I think your lack of good results may be because you are all ready using a really good radio with a good aerial system. I would have thought better results would be obtained using a cheaper radio.
Thanks for your comments. You may be 100% correct.
Do you have a CCRadio? I have two different types.They’re still in production and have 2 AM external screws on the back of the radio. To top the loop antenna get yourself a Twin Coil Ferrite antenna. Then go and get a long paint roller handle with wooden extension. Remove the roller assembly and discard it. Size and cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the frame of the paint roller. Drill holes along the sides of the plywood and zip tie plywood inside the paint roller frame. Measure mounting screws from Twin Coil Ferrite antenna and mount it inside the paint roller frame on the plywood. Get an old standing lamp and remove everything electrical about it. Insert the assembled antenna handle inside the neck of the standing lamp. NEVER TURN THE ANTENNA MORE THAN A QUARTER TURN. It should be enough.
Thanks for the info and have a great day.
Useing loop is fine fine tuned exercise. You are being way to loosy goosy with it snd don't be too hung up on connector, it does little really.
If you are in the America’s, there’s nothing on 585 and 575 kHz, Stations on AM are 10kHz spaced, elswhere in the world AM on lw and mw are 9kHz apart. I have this combination too. You need to tune the antenna with much more accuracy. And rotate it likewise. For this purpose I have the PL-880 and the AN-200 placed on a small plastic turntable. The AN-200 is a perfect little gem but as I said, you need to be much more accurate tuning and turning it. Greetings from Hekelinge, Holland. Willem.
Thanks for the info.
Why o why did you not use it on the PL880 you have on the table. That radio has no MW antenna input jack, so using the coil alone on that radio should improve the signal strength. So come on Tom think things through, and try it on the PL880.
+Ronald Ellwood-Thompson As a stated in other responses I plan to test it on other radios.
You doing it wrong. The ring meed to be centered at the end (sitting parrallel to end as if you were going to pass end of radio throug it) or set perpendicular in back center of radio (sideways to radio such that from front you don't see loop). Sais differently needs I be aligned with the ferrite bar. I have one, it is indespensible. Half the stations, actually more, I would never pick up without it. The tuner numbers are frequencies! They arn't random numbers! The slightest tiny bit on that dial csn make huge dif. Connecting it is relatively useless compared to just using it passively. I almost never connect mine. I hsve same radio you do except "called" Eton 750.
Thanks for info.
The "pointy finger" is back. I missed the finger-on-a-stick!
+Dave Shaw Yes, he was in timeout for a while.
Never say, "I'll put you down" to any pet!