and changed the course of history multiple times. taking Arthur but leaving catherine. then anne boleyn getting g it but surviving to continue her relationship with Henry
This is an incredible documentary and I think that you should do this very more often. You narrated it so perfectly and the music was just so great the art and commentary really just was a great documentary.
@@MrThedonhead you think previous generations survived through plague by getting the plague? No, they're the ones who didnt get it because they didn't die.
Mickey Stbenno--Shakespeare once wrote: If not to laugh, then what? Ever hear of gallows humor? Black humor (not racial)? Dark humor? Cops, firefighters, ghetto/barrio teachers, emergency room medical personnel , etc., engage in it. It's what keeps people working in horrible situations from going mad.
Same here...except add on having my thyroid removed due to a tumor and it's worse! It could be 40 degrees outside & I could break out into a sweat. It's awful. I've stopped wearing make-up because of it.
The "sweating sickness" sounds like paroxysmal autonomic instability (PAID syndrome). The symptoms of that are agitation(running through the streets, madness, apprehension), hypertension, tachycardia("heart agitation?"), diaphoresis (sweating), tachypnea (shortness of breath), hyperthermia("fever, flushing, thirst"), muscle pain, foul-smelling sweat. The symptoms of sweating and overheating and exhaustion will appear hours after the muscle pains, hypertension and tachycardia begin just as described in the accounts by the physician, Caius. It's the result of the constant contraction of the muscles. The only other symptom of the sweating sickness described is stomach pain, maybe caused by ingesting something toxic. This syndrome kills swiftly by inducing heart attack, stroke, hyperthermic encephalitis (which would cause coma and make people "very sleepy" and the reason the doctors were afraid to allow people to go to sleep, not that this is effective against coma) or more rarely, multiple organ failure. Once the damage occurred to the nervous system, many people suffer repeated episodes, which explains the observation that traveling to avoid re-infection with the disease didn't work (or they were carrying the thing that was causing the illness with them abroad). The death rate for Malignant Hyperthermia, a very similar condition, for which I was able to get death rates before modern treatment was instituted, killed 70-80% of the people who got it. When someone gets an infection and they get a fever, the body has various mechanisms to keep the fever response in check to prevent it from killing the person. This isn't happening with this illness. Either, the people had non-febrile hyperthermia (like PAID) or they had central fever (meaning it was a CNS infection.) CNS infections like encephalitis can overwhelm the body's ability to manage temperature. This isn't Hanta virus, which is spread through rat droppings, would affect poor people more and cause coughing and death through asphyxiation. I think the English upper-class was probably poisoning themselves with a chemical (mercury for example) or a natural toxin (like a mycotoxin on nuts, bark or spices) that was damaging the thalmus or hypothalamus, which was found in an agricultural product that they had more access to in the summertime, especially in rural areas. Possibly many people had mild disease year-round from toxic exposure but higher outdoor temperature and more physical exertion in the summer is the factor which would cause it to become deadly. Men would have consumed more spices on their meat at feasts and used spices for perfumes that women didn't use and its possible that some spice was really popular with English men in the 16th century that wasn't widely used elsewhere. Foreigners living in England may have disliked and avoided it and thus rarely contracted the illness. There are many possibilities of course. Assuming its a novel pathogen, while its epidemic, its not very contagious. If it were, it would spread outside confined areas. It might be zoonotic, since that might explain its confined range and upper-class males would be around animals that others wouldn't like hawks, foxes, deer, ect. Enteropathogens almost invariably cause diarrhea/ vomiting, but its possible that its spreading this way, thus striking down people sharing meals together.
I was thinking about zoonotic as well. She mentioned many rural farmers got it as well. Suggesting possible connections to the livestock. Im wondering is the syndrome connected livestock or possibly deer? That when eaten regardless of cooking would still infect people? The turks not being impacted made me think pork bc they would have followed islam which forbids pork. It would also coincide w the randomness of time frames & locations. Depending on where the food was from. As some livestock on would be fine yet others would not depending on the farm.
Wow. I have wondered for decades what it could have been. The fact that foreigners either didn't get it or were affected mildly really adds to the confusion. Swine seems to be the most suspicious carrier, as pointed out by Liberty Bella.
If they did not replenish fluids, and sweated abundantly, dehydration can kill you and cause a heart attack as soon as potassium, which is necessary for the heart, is gone from the body. Fresh air also would have been good as well as hygiene.
Good point. So why did monks advise no eating, and drinking warm liquids moderately? And what about all the "don't let armpits get cold" warnings? Weird.
Maybe the patients would drink large quantities of water, which would cause salt imbalance - drinking alone is not enough if intake of salts is not replaced. Hence for severe or chronic diarrhoea it is better to consume dehydration bags (mixed with water) than plain water on its own... So maybe the advice of not giving patients water and it being tepid, was to prevent drinking too much at once in order to cool down the sensation of internal heat, rather than preventing drinking water altogether?
Did you listen to the video? They did replenish fluids. Just gave them warm fluids because cold fluids would kill you. Also uncovering would kill you. I'd guess they needed to maintain a high temperature like 104 or 106 fahrenheit to destroy the virus. High fever, sweat it out. People who had to many blankets cooked with 108 or 110 fever, people who cooled off, took off blankets or drank cool liquids died from the virus because they didn't maintain a high enough fever.
@@2degucitas monks didn't have that much medical knowledge, nor did anyone really at that time. People did all sorts of crazy stuff. Like using leeches on sick people, to suck out the diseased blood.
The Spanish Flu killed some that quickly (although I'm not saying it was a flu, it sounds like something else). But hearing about people being fine one moment and dead the next reminded me of the accounts I'd read of bus and lorry drivers literally slumping over dead _while_ they were driving! And they would've been just fine at the start of their shifts! Must have been terrifying, especially since busses would've been fairly new at the time.
@JRRnotTolkien But then why was it almost exclusively English people getting it and mostly highborn adult males to boot? It's so strange. Cholera would have hit the weak and poor the hardest but we see the opposite with sweating sickness. I keep bashing my head against this and all I can think of is something with a duel component of genetic predisposition and a pathogen. Perhaps it was an illness that mainland Europe had already seen and their decedents carried partial or full immunity. Add that to a pathogen that hits mostly healthy adults and something the high born did that put them in closer contact with the pathogens origin. That's as close as I can get. It doesn't illuminate us as to the pathogen itself but it might explain some of the odd circumstances surrounding it.
@@trinitydraco1 I was thinking maybe gastrointestinal anthrax from infected meat but no bloody diarrhea symptom. But that would explain why the rich would get it more often than the poor because they ate more meat and the meat they ate wasn't boiled to death as a poorer person's meat would be.
@@Diani4629 Probably not Anthrax but I think you are right about it coming from something like meat. And given that men tended to eat more meat, especially game meat, than women and that nobles ate more meat then commoners it would make sense that noble men suffered the worst. If we combine that with the idea that most main land Europeans had some form of immunity due to their ancestors having had whatever it was all the pieces would fit. Britain being an island could have kept them from contracting the whatever it was back when the main land had in the past. I'm gonna do some searching to see if I can find a disease with similar symptoms in Europe prior to the sweating sickness. There is no guarantee that I will find it but this mystery has driven me crazy for years and I feel like we might be on to something here. If nothing else it lets my inner geek out to play for a while! LOL
@@trinitydraco1 I just heard of it but I can see how you could go down the rabbit hole I do the same thing :) Leave me a comment if you find anything I'm super curious.
This was highly educational and entertaining to watch. I hope you make more of these style of videos. Also ... the old english texts were absolutely fascinating to read along with your voice. Thank you so much for this amazing video
It sounds like bacterial meningitis. Meningitis almost killed me as a kid, and this was the 1980's. I can imagine how helpless the people in the 1500's must've felt.
interesting how similar the Sweat symptoms were to the Spanish Flu. rapid progress, struggle breathing, affecting young healthy peoplemore than the aged and young children.
the main reason the Spanish flu affected mostly young and healthy people was that it was spread rapidly among troop concentrations during WW1. It had nothing to do with it specifically targeting that population group, but it just found a very dense population of mobile people that would take it from one barracks to the next, through the trenches, and then back to their staging areas.
@@jwenting That's incomplete. Note that young adult women were also hit quite hard. The deadly flu triggered a massive immune response that attacked the victim's body. People in robust health had powers immune systems that often killed them.
@@baruchben-david4196 correct, it caused a cytokine storm in healthy immune systems which attacks the flu virus but also the healthy cells in devastating fashion
@@hopeking3588 Meninigitis is the term for inflammation of the brain lining caused by an infection. There is a bacterial and a viral type. It is spread the same way any virus or bacteria spreads between humans - close personal contact, poor hygiene/sanitation, droplet infection via coughs and sneezes or spitting. Some people carry the virus or bacteria in their noses without ever becoming symptomatic. Younger adults and children are most at risk from it and you can often see clusters of cases pop up in colleges etc. The bacterial form is the most virulent and people who survive often lose legs and /or arms from sepsis than causes their extremities to get gangrene. Horrific disease.
@@littleblackpistol It's believed that Mary Ingalls, older sister of Laura Ingalls Wilder, contracted viral encephalomeningitis and that this was the cause of her blindness at age 14. It started with a violent headache and then she seemed to have a stroke which paralyzed the left side of her face (you can see this in photos of her, her mouth is crooked). And then she gradually lost her sight. LIW attributed it to scarlet fever in her book series for simplicity's sake; she knew her readers would be familiar with that.
Can’t help but shiver at the thought of scientists exhuming Henry Brandon’s remains and perhaps triggering an outbreak all over again. Very interesting topic, especially for us Tudor era fanatics. Thank you 💐
@@andy-the-gardener Maybe it could be given to you first... You know, for a test run? Stop and think before you open your hateful mouth, because the thing you wish for for others, could very easily strike YOU.
@my CBD life I recommend Caitlin Doherty's channel, "Ask A Mortician" regarding dead bodies. They are very rarely infectious if at all. What's more dangerous than a corpse (besides most things) are the embalming materials which include carcinogens like formaldehyde.
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This reminds me of the Hendra virus epidemic we had in Australia about a decade ago. People would have no symptoms for weeks then suddenly get high fevers, headaches and encephalitis would occur causing coma or death within hours. It was spread by horses which would also match with it affecting mostly young men in upper classes living in rural areas. Hendra was spread to horses by fruit bats but it’s possible a similar virus was spread to horses by fleas, ticks or even eating grass contaminated by bird guano. Cross species contamination requires genetic compatibility to jump across so it’s also possible that the Anglo Saxon descendants had a gene that allowed them to contract a symptomatic form of the virus, women would only be affected if they expressed a recessive form of the gene. Just a thought.
That's some good thinking, there.Keep in mind that Ireland and Scotland had a lot of interaction with France and Spain, as mutual enemies of the English. If a milder, nonlethal form of hendravirus or another horse-borne disease were raging on the Continent around the same time as the earlier, English-only outbreaks, it could have easily been dismissed by local doctors as Joe Schmoe spring cold or flu---but it would have been enough to give some immunity to Continentals and the Celts they traded with. Let's say the English didn't really get hit with the virus until it had mutated into its very virulent form. Foreigners in England and France were spared, both because English tended to keep to themselves when overseas, and because many of the non-English they had dealt with had gotten a milder form of the virus earlier, and had some immunity.
Constructive criticism. LOSE the BACKGROUND TRACK. It doesn't really add to the video, and it distracts the listener from the information your delivering. It is even more difficult for those with hearing impairments.
The symptoms appear very similar to many other illnesses. As a child growing up in the 1940's in Southern England. I suffered many illnesses other than the usual childhood ailments, but as I grew into a teenager they became rare and eventually faded out altogether. As a regular blood donor for many years in my adult life, my blood was thoroughly checked and I was told that I had a very strong immunity to disease and infection. I put this down to my childhood experiences. It's nature's way that we are all survivor's of the constant attacks our bodies undergo in a lifetime. When you look at, for instance, Indian children all looking the picture of health, they are the survivor's of extreme living conditions and their bodies are protected by fighting off the threats of disease.
Indian children are anything but healthy in the lower casts. Low exposure doses, aka vaccinations are the most useful weapon against the standard diseases, not blind luck.
I have a Reader's Digest "Great Disasters" book from the early '80s (extremely interesting if one could track it down); that's the only place I've read about it other than this video. Odd that it appeared and disappeared so quickly; I guess it was too good at killing people so it went extinct-hopefully.
I came across this in some historical novel, and I was like "what? How have I never come across this?". It led me down a Google rabbit hole. It's fascinating though. What WAS it?
Thankyou so much for producing this wonderfully, informative video. I have always wondered about the disease. Like you said, I guess we may never know and hopefully it will never rear it's ugly head again.
It almost sounds like Sweating Sickness killed by removing the body's ability to withstand any significant changes in body temperature- possibly inducing a heart attack when such changes occurred.
That's exactly what I was thinking! In our tech society we often take our sanitation and hygiene for granted and don't think we can be affected by pandemic diseases, particularly in first world countries. It helps to remember that this happens throughout history and contemporary third world countries
Very much so. It gives us an understanding of the fear that our forebears had and the various 'cures' that came about. I have taken a moment or two to reflect on the fact that all my ansestors some how managed to survive all of it and here I am.
Also, to all the anti-vac`s out there. Take a good look at the world without ONE vaccine, and try to imagine it without Any!! It would be a horror beyond imagine.
I find it fascinating that the disease affected some and not others. I wonder if it had to do with blood type. That is a similar idea to the genealogy hypothesis.
Interesting. In September of 2019 I was taken to the hospital by ambulance and admitted in critical condition. It came on suddenly. Started with vomiting and then with no change in temperature I was dripping in sweat. Like every drop of liquid in my body was suddenly trying to make a break for it. Horrible abdominal cramping and I feared passing out and not waking up ever again. The hospital staff questioned me and my daughter about overseas travel or exposure to anyone who had traveled. Once the vomiting was stopped with medications, bloody diarrhea started. CT scans and x-rays showed inflamed decending colon and fluid in my abdomen. Apparently anything that couldn't sweat out, filled in. I looked four months pregnant. Four days of two types of IV antibiotics and IV fluids. A liquid diet. Then a week of oral antibiotics and 6 weeks, 11lbs less later I recovered. I blamed food posioning.
Given the speed at which it killed and the outpour of sweat, it reminds me of when I got severe heart failure a year ago. The sweating I had was a kind of unnatural one, happening everywhere I had skin and even when I was cold.
TY for your contribution to (real) science, grass-root observation with no taint.. TY again. Look up Dr. Sebi diet, Antoine Bechamp, cholecalciferol (vitamin? D3) uses as pesticide.
What if it was similar to the sleeping sickness found in Africa and transmitted by the tsetse fly? One of the symptoms of the sweating sickness was a strong desire to sleep.
Excellent information. It's odd no one wants to study the causes by exhumation of a victim. Like sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and saying la-la-la really loudly.😷😷😷
The problem with exhumation for this is, I would think, that the soft tissues carrying the pathogen would be corrupted, unlike the cadavers with the Spanish flu that were in Alaska or Siberia.
Title: What was the sweating sickness? Me: Yes! I'd love to learn what that really was. Video: goes on forever just stating names of those who died from it. Me: *sigh* well, maybe they'll tell us towards the end. Video: 15:28 "nobody knows for sure what the sweating sickness was" Me: 😑🤦♀️ Well, how about changing the title, then?
Applehead Moonwalker completely agree!! What I was able to discern from the video was with people dying that fast and mostly in the summer months, along with the symptoms is WHY people died- at least probably. High fevers and the level of dehydration that must have caused would have lead to severe hypernatremia (high sodium). This would have lead to neurological symptoms such as severe head aches and people essentially acting “crazy” as the video insinuated. Additionally, sweating (along w potentially V/D) would have caused hypokalemia (low potassium) that often leads to fatal cardiac arrhythmias. What the causative agent may have been though.. I’m still searching for any information to narrow that down
The title has a question mark at the end of the sentence thus it is clearly questioning what was it which does not imply that the video will answer it! And by the way do you know what a rhetorical question is?
Filipe Matias , I don't see a question mark? I guess people thought that they were going to learn something. I think that it was reasonable to expect the answer to the question. Could have googled it for a faster answer.
The point that went through my mind is this: Did it kill within hours of contracting the illness or was there a dormancy period like there are with many viruses? Don't think we will ever know though.
🇭🇲 🦘 A fascinating 'insight' into Sweating Sickness. A disease of the late 15th century and first half of the 16th century. Mainly during Tudor times in .... England and for the most part only effecting the Anglo-saxon English peoples. I wonder why? Such a terrifying disease to suffer or witness. Some survived but so many thousands died. Although there are many theories as to what may have caused it, and exactly what it may have in fact been, it is strange that there remains No definitive answers, even today. cont... I really should have watched this video long before this, but finally did so today. So pleased I did. A most interesting account given and (as always) very well researched. cont... An outstanding video. "Thank you" so much Claire 💓👑👍
Very strange, and very scary. The interesting hypothesis that it affected people of Anglo Saxon descent is of particular interest and suggests that they somehow lacked an inherited ability to either stave off an attack of whatever agent caused it, or to only experience mild symptoms. In any case, it reminds us that we are only one organism or mutation away from suffering a new and potentially deadly illness. I do wish some sort of genetic study could be carried out to try and learn more about this very strange malady.
Lacking an inherited ability makes a lot of sense. England was a small nation, and a huge chunk of its population had died in the plague in the mid-1300's that the next couple generations were probably more than a bit inbred. When you only have so many people around to marry, bloodlines mix more times than they should. The people who were immune to it maybe had a more varied genetic background.
@@janmarjamaa6713 Wow, I wrote that five years ago, not thinking that it would occur so soon. I believe some sci-fi movies or books had been written about that premise, never thinking it was just around the corner. Something so tiny can devastate human life on this planet. The saying is true: tomorrow is never guaranteed. Keep safe.
Raw meat, lack of bathing, along with other forms of poor hygiene, gee wonder why they died from so many things, also mercury poisoning & lead in everything
actually not many natural things will kill masses of people as people used to be sensible enough to know what was bad. obviously isolated groups might all die from spolied food but many survive or have tolerance.
@@rosewhite--- finally critical thinking. Oh yes young welthy men didnt bath was the issue. We are so dumbed down. Good glad these shieep are gonna. Die
Men drop dead withing hours. Well to do or more intelligent. Think about it . Critical thinking. If viral or bacterial the young would have gotten it not healthy young men. Cyoung children are less clean. Do not repeat this bs people did not know cleanliness and keeping there dead and rotting bodies or animals out. They absolutely did. This has been known before christ. You better know there was traveling merchants. Did it not occure in war the men are killed not the woman. They are booty. You dont catch something and die in hours. Its poison. Poison was common back then. Think there are flowers and many things poisonous. Are people really this mentally slow. Killed mostly smart wel to do men. In most cases. You will sweat like all hell if you are poisoned. There are so many lies about our past. If you go and read old books in print not online but in your library. Do you not get no foreigners had it. Right no merchants. Theres a reason whites were dieing. By the way celts and englush had mixed so much. This is such bs. Why did the elderly not get it first. Theres a reason jews were accused of poisoning. People no more kept dirty houses then as the do now. Its an insult on purpose. Filth so mostly young well to do men died. Your aware there are many many natural ways to keep fleas and such away. I swear read about the black plague and how freat the jews thought that was like war for everyone to rid europe of so many. Do u think africans and middle eastern people were honestly more clean. Give me a break. I have proof these things were not viral. If your rh negative you dont have the protien antigens on your cells to get viral like small pox Ebola HIV. Now its possible that poisoning and otger illnesses were mixed around that time. Because celts are many rh negative. The northern iberrian peninsula were rh neg. Id be interested in that. And absolutely if these people died of these things and it was disease chances are you could find it and tge cause. They dont want to. Interesting if no globalist communist zionest banking family in the area you dont hear of plagues that kill two thirds of there people. Spanish went to the americas. The spanish merchant to be exact. Took africans and illness but the african slave did not die like the indians in big numbers. Interesting. These people were not just accused of things because we are evil people. Like today we know what the communist and Zionists do like on 911. They cant just rapid poison like before. Testing now. But they did make modified tics mosquitos and other man made diseases that have distroyed people lives along with the opiate epidemic that has ravaged the US and before was done to china and turkey. Defeating them. Critical thinking would be great people. Then they will complain its there people who loose there money and how angry they are at everyone whose being good to them. Just look and see whose poor. Whose moneys are drained when they move on please. Germany russia china mexico communist left these people in poverty and america our men cant go get a regular job and support his wife and children anymore. They dont make enough so the woman had to work then the tax so others could not work and have babies they support the whole third world and are laughed at robbed and worst is they taught our own kids to attack ourselves like in ww1 and 2. Lies making whites kill whites. Lie to there own jewish people so they fear and belive lies. They only have to look at you dont inprison eighty year old woman for saying she remembered the work camps diffrent same as many jews there know gas chambers and mistreatment was a fraud but they teach the next gernration there hate and fear. There white people alsi in the us but they force diffrent people together after edgucation of hate and lies. The oil bankers taught mexicans they are aryans and thats what laraza is. Then they sent them here and the almost all collect free everytging for generations and spit on white men paying for tgem in there country. What kind of horrible men go to anothers country to steal. The globalist have done this. Then they make whites hate the regular jew. The low iq ones. Next food shortage sickness and civil war so again they can change history lije they have started. People blacks were doing well and had every right you did before civil rights marches. Thats when they really tore up the black community. Now they got our kids commiting suiside at rates higher than died in both world wars. 1 in 30 are diagnosed with autism brain damage after vaccines and our people think all this normal. All of our mens inovations and manufacturing gone. All of it. They got 75 percent fighting age males brough here zero back ground . They have diseases then they give them ssn then ask if there back hurts and give them ssi benifits but our men have been told this for one hundred years. They dont pay attention or care. They will wait till our children are being chipped and say whats this cool thing. There mentally challenged in that way. I blame lake of testosterone. Sperm count has dropped in half everywhere but new york. Why new york. They are nit heakthier than rural midwest country boys. Who luves there. After ww2 what did they start adding to food water. They love poison. The poison tons of china randomly. They tried germany were caught and ryssia. Poison people poison there thing.
That's what I'm saying. It seems to only affect certain groups of people at certain times. it has to be something that was ingested or something that they all came in contact with at the same time.
It sounds like Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome due to encapsulated bacteria like Staph aureus or enteric bacteria like E.coli. Those infections increase during the late fall and summer months.
The strangest symptom is how it seems to effect based on english nationality. It could have been due to anthrax infected wool. Since Wool production was highly localized it could have meant foreigners whose clothes had been manufactured elsewhere simpky werent wearing wool clothing from local anthrax spore carrying wool supplies. The idea that contaminated textile supplies was the main infection vector could be the easiest to explain the fact that it seemed to choose based on nationality.
I'm an epidemiologist, what we'd expect is that it's likely the same disease, but that there's an exposure that is more common to men from the upper classes. The seasonality could be a few things.
@@shinylilfish Thank You. Is there more you could say with x% of certainty ? Or shed any more light on. Again we know you cant be certain. But I find this very interesting and would like to hear more even if just reasonable or logical guesses and the basis for.
@@luettias Hah! You caught me at a good time, I'm working on COVID19 data and need a bit of a break. So, I've slightly refreshed my memory. As I'm not a historian it would be hard for me to make a really educated guess about what exactly what was going on- I'd need more expertise in virology and history for that. However, I could imagine a few things. It might have been that the disease was something coming from abroad, and people in cities and other parts of the UK had had exposure to some similar disease that gave them immunity. You might then imagine that young, rich men were more likely to be traveling and coming in contact with the disease. If they had very little contact with their peasants, and it wasn't extremely infectious person to person, then you might just see the disease in young noblemen. Other things that I can think of that might be recorded as "mostly affecting young noblemen"- something that was endemic to animals that were tended or kept by the rich and not the poor- maybe sheep or horses? Other thoughts might be that it's tick bourne like lymes disease. A lot of types of hunting were for nobility, so maybe they were the ones getting bitten by particular types of ticks during prime hunting season. When it comes to seasonality- even today you see seasonal patterns to how people get sick. Flu season is in the winter, and Chlamydia season is (apparently) in the warmer temperatures. If it's some sort of animal or outdoor exposure, people go out less in cold weather, bugs are less active, but animals would have been in closer quarters or maybe even in the house during the winter- so that could change when you'd see a disease popping up. People ate a lot more seasonally during these times as well, so if it were some sort of food bourne infection it might have to do with food type and preparation during the season where it was being prepared. Anyway, the specifics of it are hard for me to guess, because my specialty is looking for the pattern in data. I don't know enough about what life was like back then, and how accurately things were being reported. Maybe the people writing just didn't notice how many peasants were dying, because they didn't know many peasants.
Just think of just how LUCKY we all r to be here! How many times did a past family member have to LIVE through times, when SO many died. If you dont feel like YOU r MENT to BE... you r wrong! I really wish we would all see the value in eachother and if so, maybe we would be ok with other kinds of thought, that we dont like. Instead of trying to understand a different point of view, we lash out or shut down. if I could change one thing i would want everyone to remember how they have been beating the odds for so long and together we can do amazing things.
Each person today has an unbroken line of ancestors who somehow managed to not just survive, but have children, that can be only traced back a few thousand years. For caucasians we can trace our bloodline back to about 11,000 years ago, and with visibility far less. That we are here at all is a miracle in itself.
I read that the Wealthy in their castles had their help constantly sweeping up the rodent droppings which contaminated the air and their belongings with the bacteria ridden dust in , their damp , unventilated castles. The poor weren't as studious with keeping their houses clean so were less affected....with cleaner air.
It's not likely that there would be DNA still on the bodies. When they did this with the Spanish flu they needed to find someone who was burried in northern Alaska in the permafrost in order to find preserved dna and that was less than 100 yrs after death.
sue mount There is some ability to collect data from tooth pulp if the skull was well preserved in burial. Otherwise, there would be no flesh left at this point.
You must not have any English stock in you. Every time something is done to see an old disease was there is always the chance you bring it back. The odds are very very small of course but none the less still possible. Look at anthrax its been know so far to stay in soil for 187 years to date in a statuses form. But do something like walk bare foot across it and the spores wake and start to thrive. As some one with a bit if English stock in them...no thank you. Leave it the f*** alone !!!
From listening to your descriptions of who got sick & who didn't it sounds like it came from something they were eating, that only the upper classes could get their hands on & only English people ate or it could be that some people didn't get it because of genetic differences.
How interesting! I find the affectation of only the English and then, only a few of the European populace very intriguing! Oh, maybe Time Team will do a dig soon and may be we'll get a sample of the illness to study and find out what it is! Excellent video dear! Have you heard of the Monastery that was full of Syphlitic folks?(..of course this was discovered upon disinterrement.) Very compelling evidence that Syphilis was in the Isles and Europe BEFORE America's discovery! Ah history! How I love your mysteries! Thanks again! Have a blessed day! Tudor style💜
INteresting! These disease outbreaks happened during the little ice age and the 23 years they mention 2 time so far is twice the 11 year spot cycle or equal the the suns magnetic field reversal cycle. So during the little ice age temperatures were cooler and diet was poor due to the shortened growing season.
Yes indeed, I think it might be of great value to try to correlate the dates of the outbreaks with environmental, social and political events in England at those times. The key must be in the method of transmission, which could be affected by such events. The prime suspect: hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, is rarely spread by human contact, but a lice born virus is my favorite. Almost everyone constantly had them, and lice bite scabs and rashes would be so common that doctors would deem them "unremarkable" !
If I was a betting man, I'd place my money on a tick-borne illness. I don't know the distribution of ticks in Renaissance England, but with the disease occuring predominantly in the summer, hitting young men of the getry and noble households, as well as monks, I'd say the forest held some deadly ticks. The symptoms are nearly identical.
@@juliemignard8448 I doubt it was mosquitoes. I used to live in the UK and never encountered a single mosquito in all the years I lived there in all of the places I traveled to, mainly traveling in the summer when they would have been most noticeable, and British people I've met who have visited my home state of Florida have had very strong reactions to mosquito bites that would have been noticed and remarked upon by the medical chroniclers of the day, with very swollen, red, itchy, and painful bite sites.
@@sadfaery Hmm, that's interesting. I sure do wonder how it could be that the susceptibility to whatever it was varied so much by the place of origin of the sufferer. That's why I thought maybe mosquitoes. They don't travel as far as ticks. It never occurred to me that UK doesn't have them. Thanks.
I am in my mid 70s , and I remember as a child we had what was called " flag floors" covered in " rush mats ". These were changed every year , hence the term " RUSH BEARING " when new matted covered floors were put down.
Galland 34 we had rush matting too. Mainly because it was cheap, I think. I always remember it being really uncomfortable on bare feet. It smelt nice though.
I was also distracted by the sound effects in the background - starts with what appears to be a dog fight, followed by some interesting music and then some farm-yard noises - I found myself wondering about those rather then what she was saying. Yes, her style is not well-paced as a narration
Interesting and informative, but one word ruined it. Using "decimate" in place of "devastate" has become so ingrained in common speech that neither word is served well.
I've been trying to figure this one out for years, the flu or malaria? These diseases have different smells. If someone had written down what it smelled like, a good doctor would be able to say what it was.
Sounds like some form of meningitis with the rash, migraine type headache and fervour. On another note don’t you think the description of the sweat better suits the oranges and lemons rhyme what with people just falling over or a least of the plague and the sweating sickness?
Rachel Lazenby no just a random thought really. Just an idea that like most things in life the rhyme could be a lot older that thought and reused and changed over the years.
@@AbiShafi the original version is known from a 1774 compilation of folksongs for children and while is slightly different still is about the bells of London and goes as follows: Two Sticks and Apple, Ring ye Bells at Whitechapple, Old Father Bald Pate, Ring ye Bells Aldgate, Maids in White Aprons, Ring ye Bells a St. Catherines, Oranges and Lemons, Ring ye bells at St. Clements, When will you pay me, Ring ye Bells at ye Old Bailey, When I am Rich, Ring ye Bells at Fleetditch, When will that be, Ring ye Bells at Stepney, When I am Old, Ring ye Bells at Pauls.
Scarlet fever? We had a little girl die of this when I was in elementary school, and she was dead within hours from a horrific fever. Nobody else got it, but everyone was freaked out.
A very good piece of diligent research . Equally well chosen are the contemporary portraits and pictures. Thanks for this most informative video with an authentic text . However , it just couldn't have been Richard theThird ' s revenge( as one of your viewers has suggested ), for the simple reason that nothing at all happened to his successor ,Henry . Whether we consider him a usurper or not is beside the point .
Scarlet fever or strep seem similar in symptoms. Also roseola... E coli can cause some of these symptoms as well. Bacterial in nature, so they can easily spread, and arrives seemingly suddenly. How could we know without exhuming someone known to have died of it? It seems to have spread in warm weather and then left quickly.
I'd like to add, having grown up getting strep twice a year, every school year till grade 6, that strep doesn't kill in 24 hours or less. My mother didn't think I had much wrong with me the first time I had strep, thus it was a few days before I saw the doc.
I remember reading that Prince Arthur and Catherine of Aragon both had fevers but he had died after he drank cold well water so it's possible he died from this disease.I wonder if it didn't have something to do with eating meat.I also read that it was described as affecting those who were "full of meat"
Shannon Miller It’s plausible. The wealthy ate more meat than the rest of the population, but it’s pretty well known that Henry ate a lot of meat, even for the day. But he avoided illness.
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I remember seeing reference to this in a movie . I looked up the particular dates and it appeared in france oncebutnot again. Interesting disease. Apparently did not reappear since this first outbreak.
A large population also contributed to the sweating sickness, many would pass on illnesses during church service congregating in a small area with windows and doors closed. The word bacteria was unknown at the time and without the aide of antibiotics the illness spread rapidly, and only those with the strongest immune system survived.
The disease Brucellosis can be transmitted to humans via raw milk. I have had it. Everyday around 5:30 -6 pm I would grow fatigued and get a fever. When my lymph nodes swelled I knew something was up. Antibiotics cured it quickly. I don't know if left untreated it would be fatal.
This was a fascinating video. What spoiled it for me to a great extent was the mispronunciation of the name of John Caius. It was pronounced as 'Kees' or Kays, which is what his birth name actually was. He is recorded as the second founder of the college at which he was a student was renamed as Gonville and Caius and pronounced Gonville and 'Kees'. The fact that the man Latinised his name was no reason to change the way it was uttered.
Excellent presentation - very well done! The details of this epidemic seem to point out a food-born contamination (which could plausibly explain the abdominal pains) and while people died rapidly it likely was a toxic food poisoning which caused systemic failure and brought on death. . . The reason it afflicted young men and the upper-class more is possibly because they had access and the means that children and the elderly did not consume. Trade is likely responsible for explaining why it spread to particular areas and nations and the fact that the peoples there consumed the same particular food or drink. Could this have been the result of food washing with contaminated water? A product or food many ate - a contaminated wine perhaps? Could this have been a virulent form of pathogenic E-coli or some sort of food-borne contamination which could have caused such symptoms? The evidence that it spread to other countries would have only been a sign that it was passed via trade of the contaminated product. I am inclined to think it was. . . If this were Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS), it would not seem plausible because of one reason: Hantavirus is carried by rodents (mice) and if this got to Calais ...let say from mice on the ships, why did this not spread elsewhere in Europe like the plague would have? NOT everyone would have been genetically immune and some casualties would have been expected. Hantavirus would have affected the young and the elderly as it is particularly aggressive even in young children. . . So how can this be explained. The people of mainland Europe could have developed some sort of 'survivors' immunity' over the centuries perhaps which may be explained in some genetic immunity factor involved but this does not explain why the children and elderly were not as badly affected by this in London and England. I am willing to bet this was a contamination in a particular food or drink that men were more prone to eat... a meat or ale or wine of some sort which the less fortunate, young children and elderly did not touch. The Turks were likely spared because they did not drink at the time - they were Muslim. So, I am now thinking this came in a contaminated drink of some sort. . . Barley ale or wine maybe. . . It could NOT be relapsing fever (caused by lice or tics) as this could not explain the death of small groups withing quick periods in remote contained areas while NO ONE else got sick. This is why I think a sort of food contamination was at play here.
@JRRnotTolkien However, the problem here is that cholera kills people across age groups unlike what happened here. . . So, despite your suggestion is quite good, it still does not explain nor 'fit' the profile of what happened here (where young men and the upper-class were impacted more). . .
@@jelkel25 I cannot answer you there... - perhaps a 'built up' resistance / tolerance which over very long periods of time may have become partially genetically transmitted ...who knows. . .
@@jelkel25 I wonder as well if copious amounts of wine and ale possibly may have protected them from the worse ...where this acted as some sort of a 'natural disinfectant' in their guts and helped them survive. . . Who knows. . .
@@RoyalSnowbird Yes, it's a puzzle. I've had the question "what do Anglo-Saxons eat/drink/do that few others do" in the back of my mind all morning and the only things that spring to mind are beer (I seem to remember Scots drank a lot more wine when allied with France) and maybe some form of traditional cheese or dairy products.
It sounds like the hantavirus, if it mostly the wealthy, they would have had food storage to attract mice , and it hits fast and most don’t survive, even now because people think it’s just an everyday headache, stomach ache, lost someone I knew years ago, he had a headache, then fever then the family took him to the hospital, and he was gone the next day. They didn’t know right away, they exhumed his body a month later as many in the area were falling ill
What was sweating sickness? 0758am 12.7.23 does everything boil down to this term we use called: bad bread.. the ergot infused rye that people were eating... one would have thought sweating out any illness was a boon. not so ergot infused rye if it was taken in heavy doses. p.s an early document of a specific part of the european population ie: the original natives of said region being purposely bumped off?
There are a couple great scholarly articles about sweating sickness available online. One in particular traced the spread of the disease in one epidemic, from an area which, if I recall correctly, was northwest of London and rural. Many modern researchers compare the symptoms to known rodent vectored hanta virus diseases, but in tracing the spread of an epidemic of the sweat, it appeared the disease was passed from person to person. This rarely happens with hanta virus. It is also notable that the better off, better fed people were devastated more than the poor and underfed. It is tempting to think that the poor were regularly exposed to something which gave them an immunologic advantage, yet hygiene was not very good in any strata of society at that time. Would it even be possible to identify an aspect of life of the poor, other than deprivation, that differed greatly enough from the wealthy, to be suggested as conferring an advantage?
Actually the Tudor household cared alot about hygiene but how much we don't actually know but the fact that recipes for soap and 'hand or hand washing waters' are included in household instruction manuals illustrates that there was interest in personal hygiene. Wealthy ladies used a scented toilet soap or ‘castill soap’ for their daily wash. Not all levels of society could use this type of soap, as it was imported and very expensive. The soap was made with ‘olive oil rather than the animal fat used in laundry soap’In Hugh Plat’s Delightes for Ladies, a 14th century household manual, he gives directions for preparing washing water suggesting the use of ‘sage, marjoram, camomile, rosemary and orange peel as possible ingredients.’ He also offers an alternative that is ‘very cheap’ once again suggesting that it was not only the wealthy Tudors that were interested in personal hygiene but people from all levels of society. People in the Tudor household did take baths but not daily b/c you have to find a wooden tub and collect and heat buckets of water which was time consuming although nothing stopped them from washing daily. Believe it or not the royals back then had plumbing and luxurious bathrooms. Apart from bathing they used scented perfumes although that was more of a status of wealth than masking the smell on one's clothes than that person. Usually during the summer months people of all classes wore an undergarment made from linen called a smock or a shirt. The Tudors took great care in ensuring their linen was clean as it was a sign of one’s respectability. In Richard Jones’ book, Heptameron of Civil Discourses, a book about how to have a happy marriage, he says that a woman who does not wear clean linen ‘shal neither be prazed of strangers, or delight her husband’ Most would try and change their linen daily and the wealthier would have changed their linen several times per day. It could be sanitised very easily by boiling lye (water run through ashes normally). The outer garments would be regularly changed for activities like riding and dancing (which would raise a sweat), aired, brushed down and have sweet smelling herbs burnt around them to air them out properly.Stains would be carefully treated individually, depending on what they were from.
Maybe poor people did not eat as much fresh meat, because they couldn't afford it or weren't allowed to hunt the wild species, like deer, that the rich did. Raising one pig a year and salting it to last all next year isn't the same as gorging on fresh venison every week. So if, as others here suggested, this was caught from animals...
Then listen. It clearly states the reported/recorded last out break. It also clearly states they do not know what it was. They throw out some simulator things but nothing matches up all the way.
So it's still a mystery. Hm, well, I quite like the theory floating around in the comments, that it was contaminated ale or beer. Back then, everything from treebark to eggs was used as flavor, so I don't find it unlikely that some brewery was the cause of it. Let's say it was caused by a rare bacteria carried by oaktrees only in some areas of england. It would explain the regional and demographic limitation of the disease. Also, I feel like the doctors contributed to how deadly the disease was. Honestly, withholding water from people who are sweating and feeling thirsty, there's just no way that was helpful. Although, if the liquid the patient was reaching for was more contaminated beer, perhaps the advice was helpful after all...
I also like the idea it was contamination but nobody has mentioned wine. Would explain the demographic somewhat. Summer is the time most wines would have been ready for drinking. Wine was often used as a replacement for the foul tasting water by the upper classes and in monasteries.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Bubonic plague is also found in the American Southwest. The last urban plague epidemic in the United States occurred in Los Angeles from 1924 through 1925.
I looked up the weather records for England, but could find no information for 1485. The winter of 1506-7 was bitterly cold. In London, the Thames was frozen throughout January. The summer of 1517 was extraordinarily hot throughout southern England. The years 1527 and 1528 were characterised by extremely wet summers, and taken together, these were the wettest pair of years since records began. 1551 was marked by several severe storms crossing southern England, and rivers flooding. The common factor was weather that would drive both rodents and people into buildings, where they would be near each other. This information supports infection by a virus in the Hanta family, but does not (of course) prove it.
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The Sweating Sickness has always fascinated me as it was prevalent in its most common form only during the Tudor dynasty rein.
and changed the course of history multiple times. taking Arthur but leaving catherine. then anne boleyn getting g it but surviving to continue her relationship with Henry
Because the usurper King Henry 7's darned jail bird troops brought it over with them.
It's good you have hobbies
This is an incredible documentary and I think that you should do this very more often. You narrated it so perfectly and the music was just so great the art and commentary really just was a great documentary.
Our families who survived must have been tough stock.
Yea this is what I think our ancestors must have survived all these diseases
Or very lucky. Survivorship bias is real.
It sounds like most outsiders didn’t catch it or recovered easily - so the ones who caught it were the ones with weaker immune systems…
@@SarmonOflynnwhat? Always a clown
@@MrThedonhead you think previous generations survived through plague by getting the plague? No, they're the ones who didnt get it because they didn't die.
My God--I've caught "the sweat"!!! Oh, wait...it's just menopausal hot flashes. Never mind.
drink a pint of sage tea daily. Works.
@@carolevonaarberg472 Thanks, but no thanks.
This sounds like a terrible disease! Why some have to make a joke out of it is beyond me!
Mickey Stbenno--Shakespeare once wrote: If not to laugh, then what? Ever hear of gallows humor? Black humor (not racial)? Dark humor? Cops, firefighters, ghetto/barrio teachers, emergency room medical personnel , etc., engage in it. It's what keeps people working in horrible situations from going mad.
Same here...except add on having my thyroid removed due to a tumor and it's worse! It could be 40 degrees outside & I could break out into a sweat. It's awful. I've stopped wearing make-up because of it.
The "sweating sickness" sounds like paroxysmal autonomic instability (PAID syndrome). The symptoms of that are agitation(running through the streets, madness, apprehension), hypertension, tachycardia("heart agitation?"), diaphoresis (sweating), tachypnea (shortness of breath), hyperthermia("fever, flushing, thirst"), muscle pain, foul-smelling sweat. The symptoms of sweating and overheating and exhaustion will appear hours after the muscle pains, hypertension and tachycardia begin just as described in the accounts by the physician, Caius. It's the result of the constant contraction of the muscles. The only other symptom of the sweating sickness described is stomach pain, maybe caused by ingesting something toxic. This syndrome kills swiftly by inducing heart attack, stroke, hyperthermic encephalitis (which would cause coma and make people "very sleepy" and the reason the doctors were afraid to allow people to go to sleep, not that this is effective against coma) or more rarely, multiple organ failure. Once the damage occurred to the nervous system, many people suffer repeated episodes, which explains the observation that traveling to avoid re-infection with the disease didn't work (or they were carrying the thing that was causing the illness with them abroad). The death rate for Malignant Hyperthermia, a very similar condition, for which I was able to get death rates before modern treatment was instituted, killed 70-80% of the people who got it.
When someone gets an infection and they get a fever, the body has various mechanisms to keep the fever response in check to prevent it from killing the person. This isn't happening with this illness. Either, the people had non-febrile hyperthermia (like PAID) or they had central fever (meaning it was a CNS infection.) CNS infections like encephalitis can overwhelm the body's ability to manage temperature. This isn't Hanta virus, which is spread through rat droppings, would affect poor people more and cause coughing and death through asphyxiation.
I think the English upper-class was probably poisoning themselves with a chemical (mercury for example) or a natural toxin (like a mycotoxin on nuts, bark or spices) that was damaging the thalmus or hypothalamus, which was found in an agricultural product that they had more access to in the summertime, especially in rural areas. Possibly many people had mild disease year-round from toxic exposure but higher outdoor temperature and more physical exertion in the summer is the factor which would cause it to become deadly. Men would have consumed more spices on their meat at feasts and used spices for perfumes that women didn't use and its possible that some spice was really popular with English men in the 16th century that wasn't widely used elsewhere. Foreigners living in England may have disliked and avoided it and thus rarely contracted the illness. There are many possibilities of course.
Assuming its a novel pathogen, while its epidemic, its not very contagious. If it were, it would spread outside confined areas. It might be zoonotic, since that might explain its confined range and upper-class males would be around animals that others wouldn't like hawks, foxes, deer, ect. Enteropathogens almost invariably cause diarrhea/ vomiting, but its possible that its spreading this way, thus striking down people sharing meals together.
Julia smith or possibly sexually transmitted disease.
I was thinking about zoonotic as well. She mentioned many rural farmers got it as well. Suggesting possible connections to the livestock. Im wondering is the syndrome connected livestock or possibly deer? That when eaten regardless of cooking would still infect people? The turks not being impacted made me think pork bc they would have followed islam which forbids pork. It would also coincide w the randomness of time frames & locations. Depending on where the food was from. As some livestock on would be fine yet others would not depending on the farm.
Wow. I have wondered for decades what it could have been. The fact that foreigners either didn't get it or were affected mildly really adds to the confusion. Swine seems to be the most suspicious carrier, as pointed out by Liberty Bella.
excellent comment
sounds like fentanyl
I went to the gym once and caught sweating sickness. Not falling for that one again.....
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If they did not replenish fluids, and sweated abundantly, dehydration can kill you and cause a heart attack as soon as potassium, which is necessary for the heart, is gone from the body. Fresh air also would have been good as well as hygiene.
Good point. So why did monks advise no eating, and drinking warm liquids moderately? And what about all the "don't let armpits get cold" warnings? Weird.
Maybe the patients would drink large quantities of water, which would cause salt imbalance - drinking alone is not enough if intake of salts is not replaced. Hence for severe or chronic diarrhoea it is better to consume dehydration bags (mixed with water) than plain water on its own... So maybe the advice of not giving patients water and it being tepid, was to prevent drinking too much at once in order to cool down the sensation of internal heat, rather than preventing drinking water altogether?
Did you listen to the video? They did replenish fluids. Just gave them warm fluids because cold fluids would kill you. Also uncovering would kill you. I'd guess they needed to maintain a high temperature like 104 or 106 fahrenheit to destroy the virus. High fever, sweat it out. People who had to many blankets cooked with 108 or 110 fever, people who cooled off, took off blankets or drank cool liquids died from the virus because they didn't maintain a high enough fever.
Potassium deletion wouldn't kill you of a heart attack in mere hours.
@@2degucitas monks didn't have that much medical knowledge, nor did anyone really at that time. People did all sorts of crazy stuff. Like using leeches on sick people, to suck out the diseased blood.
The fact that it kills so fast is suggestive of one of the menningoccal strains. I can't think of anything else that kills within hours
The Spanish Flu killed some that quickly (although I'm not saying it was a flu, it sounds like something else). But hearing about people being fine one moment and dead the next reminded me of the accounts I'd read of bus and lorry drivers literally slumping over dead _while_ they were driving! And they would've been just fine at the start of their shifts! Must have been terrifying, especially since busses would've been fairly new at the time.
@JRRnotTolkien But then why was it almost exclusively English people getting it and mostly highborn adult males to boot? It's so strange. Cholera would have hit the weak and poor the hardest but we see the opposite with sweating sickness. I keep bashing my head against this and all I can think of is something with a duel component of genetic predisposition and a pathogen. Perhaps it was an illness that mainland Europe had already seen and their decedents carried partial or full immunity. Add that to a pathogen that hits mostly healthy adults and something the high born did that put them in closer contact with the pathogens origin. That's as close as I can get. It doesn't illuminate us as to the pathogen itself but it might explain some of the odd circumstances surrounding it.
@@trinitydraco1 I was thinking maybe gastrointestinal anthrax from infected meat but no bloody diarrhea symptom. But that would explain why the rich would get it more often than the poor because they ate more meat and the meat they ate wasn't boiled to death as a poorer person's meat would be.
@@Diani4629 Probably not Anthrax but I think you are right about it coming from something like meat. And given that men tended to eat more meat, especially game meat, than women and that nobles ate more meat then commoners it would make sense that noble men suffered the worst. If we combine that with the idea that most main land Europeans had some form of immunity due to their ancestors having had whatever it was all the pieces would fit. Britain being an island could have kept them from contracting the whatever it was back when the main land had in the past. I'm gonna do some searching to see if I can find a disease with similar symptoms in Europe prior to the sweating sickness. There is no guarantee that I will find it but this mystery has driven me crazy for years and I feel like we might be on to something here. If nothing else it lets my inner geek out to play for a while! LOL
@@trinitydraco1 I just heard of it but I can see how you could go down the rabbit hole I do the same thing :) Leave me a comment if you find anything I'm super curious.
Gee, wasn’t HRH Prince Andrew lucky He was cured of The Sweating disease....
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Spot on
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This was highly educational and entertaining to watch. I hope you make more of these style of videos. Also ... the old english texts were absolutely fascinating to read along with your voice. Thank you so much for this amazing video
It would have been more interesting and informative if modern doctors had been asked about the nature of this disease.
A pathologist, who's education actually left his inquisative nature 100%, intact.
It sounds like bacterial meningitis. Meningitis almost killed me as a kid, and this was the 1980's. I can imagine how helpless the people in the 1500's must've felt.
Thank you for sharing this information. I have never heard any discussion of what it's symptoms were except for sweating.
I just opened all the windows in my house and checked the outside walls for mice holes again. Great video! Now, the floors...
Good idea, it's nearly cool enough for me to do the same. I've two cats so no mice about at least.
good job.
better get a cat too... 👍
interesting how similar the Sweat symptoms were to the Spanish Flu. rapid progress, struggle breathing, affecting young healthy peoplemore than the aged and young children.
the main reason the Spanish flu affected mostly young and healthy people was that it was spread rapidly among troop concentrations during WW1.
It had nothing to do with it specifically targeting that population group, but it just found a very dense population of mobile people that would take it from one barracks to the next, through the trenches, and then back to their staging areas.
Interesting and VERY suspicious!
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Partly but not entirely.
It’s not really understood as yet
@@jwenting That's incomplete. Note that young adult women were also hit quite hard.
The deadly flu triggered a massive immune response that attacked the victim's body. People in robust health had powers immune systems that often killed them.
@@baruchben-david4196 correct, it caused a cytokine storm in healthy immune systems which attacks the flu virus but also the healthy cells in devastating fashion
I’ve heard this mentioned in so many documentaries but always just assumed it was a flu - I did not realize it was it’s own separate beast.
bet they were hoarding toilet paper the whole time
@Slomofogo it was the 1500s ...who wipes??
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haha just like everybody now
Coronavirus is not nearly as deadly.
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It was also called swete de Picard. Some medical historians (Dr. Hans Zinzer) speculate it might have been a lethal form of meningitis.
ah, yes the red face and the quick progression
Interesting
What's meningitis cause by?
@@hopeking3588 Meninigitis is the term for inflammation of the brain lining caused by an infection. There is a bacterial and a viral type. It is spread the same way any virus or bacteria spreads between humans - close personal contact, poor hygiene/sanitation, droplet infection via coughs and sneezes or spitting. Some people carry the virus or bacteria in their noses without ever becoming symptomatic. Younger adults and children are most at risk from it and you can often see clusters of cases pop up in colleges etc. The bacterial form is the most virulent and people who survive often lose legs and /or arms from sepsis than causes their extremities to get gangrene. Horrific disease.
@@littleblackpistol It's believed that Mary Ingalls, older sister of Laura Ingalls Wilder, contracted viral encephalomeningitis and that this was the cause of her blindness at age 14. It started with a violent headache and then she seemed to have a stroke which paralyzed the left side of her face (you can see this in photos of her, her mouth is crooked). And then she gradually lost her sight. LIW attributed it to scarlet fever in her book series for simplicity's sake; she knew her readers would be familiar with that.
Can’t help but shiver at the thought of scientists exhuming Henry Brandon’s remains and perhaps triggering an outbreak all over again.
Very interesting topic, especially for us Tudor era fanatics.
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@@andy-the-gardener Wow, butthurt much???
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Maybe it could be given to you first... You know, for a test run?
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I recommend Caitlin Doherty's channel, "Ask A Mortician" regarding dead bodies. They are very rarely infectious if at all. What's more dangerous than a corpse (besides most things) are the embalming materials which include carcinogens like formaldehyde.
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Such a wonderful documentary! You should do more!
This reminds me of the Hendra virus epidemic we had in Australia about a decade ago. People would have no symptoms for weeks then suddenly get high fevers, headaches and encephalitis would occur causing coma or death within hours. It was spread by horses which would also match with it affecting mostly young men in upper classes living in rural areas. Hendra was spread to horses by fruit bats but it’s possible a similar virus was spread to horses by fleas, ticks or even eating grass contaminated by bird guano. Cross species contamination requires genetic compatibility to jump across so it’s also possible that the Anglo Saxon descendants had a gene that allowed them to contract a symptomatic form of the virus, women would only be affected if they expressed a recessive form of the gene.
Just a thought.
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so thats why unlucky/lucky females who didnt get ill were at the risk of being burned as a witch....
That's some good thinking, there.Keep in mind that Ireland and Scotland had a lot of interaction with France and Spain, as mutual enemies of the English. If a milder, nonlethal form of hendravirus or another horse-borne disease were raging on the Continent around the same time as the earlier, English-only outbreaks, it could have easily been dismissed by local doctors as Joe Schmoe spring cold or flu---but it would have been enough to give some immunity to Continentals and the Celts they traded with. Let's say the English didn't really get hit with the virus until it had mutated into its very virulent form. Foreigners in England and France were spared, both because English tended to keep to themselves when overseas, and because many of the non-English they had dealt with had gotten a milder form of the virus earlier, and had some immunity.
@@amandastout1948 You keep safe keep well
there are equine encephalitis viruses in the USA also, Western and Eastern varieties and people can catch them.
Constructive criticism. LOSE the BACKGROUND TRACK. It doesn't really add to the video, and it distracts the listener from the information your delivering. It is even more difficult for those with hearing impairments.
The symptoms appear very similar to many other illnesses. As a child growing up in the 1940's in Southern England. I suffered many illnesses other than the usual childhood ailments, but as I grew into a teenager they became rare and eventually faded out altogether. As a regular blood donor for many years in my adult life, my blood was thoroughly checked and I was told that I had a very strong immunity to disease and infection. I put this down to my childhood experiences. It's nature's way that we are all survivor's of the constant attacks our bodies undergo in a lifetime. When you look at, for instance, Indian children all looking the picture of health, they are the survivor's of extreme living conditions and their bodies are protected by fighting off the threats of disease.
Indian children are anything but healthy in the lower casts. Low exposure doses, aka vaccinations are the most useful weapon against the standard diseases, not blind luck.
I find it *so odd* that this isnt a commonly covered topic... Never learned this in any class, not even my history of medicine college course!!
I have a Reader's Digest "Great Disasters" book from the early '80s (extremely interesting if one could track it down); that's the only place I've read about it other than this video. Odd that it appeared and disappeared so quickly; I guess it was too good at killing people so it went extinct-hopefully.
I came across this in some historical novel, and I was like "what? How have I never come across this?". It led me down a Google rabbit hole. It's fascinating though. What WAS it?
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I am of English ancestry so I am fortunate to be here,
my ancestors having survived the plague and the sweating sickness.
Very good most informative and luckily no ad's tnat interrupt
Thankyou so much for producing this wonderfully, informative video. I have always wondered about the disease. Like you said, I guess we may never know and hopefully it will never rear it's ugly head again.
It almost sounds like Sweating Sickness killed by removing the body's ability to withstand any significant changes in body temperature- possibly inducing a heart attack when such changes occurred.
yes using ur body against u... created by bad humans.
Watching this in the middle of Covid and it does sound a tiny bit similar.
That's exactly what I was thinking! In our tech society we often take our sanitation and hygiene for granted and don't think we can be affected by pandemic diseases, particularly in first world countries. It helps to remember that this happens throughout history and contemporary third world countries
Very much so. It gives us an understanding of the fear that our forebears had and the various 'cures' that came about. I have taken a moment or two to reflect on the fact that all my ansestors some how managed to survive all of it and here I am.
It sounds very similar. Lots of video of people in Wuhan dropping dead in the street.
@@jadedbelle4788 Yes. Really helpful point! Lets take comfort in that
Also, to all the anti-vac`s out there. Take a good look at the world without ONE vaccine, and try to imagine it without Any!! It would be a horror beyond imagine.
Fascinating and very well presented too. Thank you for posting.
The "Stoupe, Knave, and Know Thy Master!" Ah, the good ole days of naming diseases. None of this letters and numbers rubbish.
I have a better name for it, Richard III's revenge
Only if he lived a clean life.
brilliant suggestion
I find it fascinating that the disease affected some and not others. I wonder if it had to do with blood type. That is a similar idea to the genealogy hypothesis.
What you get in summer if you live in Houston TX. without a good air conditioner!
Interesting. In September of 2019 I was taken to the hospital by ambulance and admitted in critical condition. It came on suddenly. Started with vomiting and then with no change in temperature I was dripping in sweat. Like every drop of liquid in my body was suddenly trying to make a break for it. Horrible abdominal cramping and I feared passing out and not waking up ever again. The hospital staff questioned me and my daughter about overseas travel or exposure to anyone who had traveled. Once the vomiting was stopped with medications, bloody diarrhea started. CT scans and x-rays showed inflamed decending colon and fluid in my abdomen. Apparently anything that couldn't sweat out, filled in. I looked four months pregnant. Four days of two types of IV antibiotics and IV fluids. A liquid diet. Then a week of oral antibiotics and 6 weeks, 11lbs less later I recovered. I blamed food posioning.
no change in temp.. wow, there's poss clue. cholecalciferol for pests
fluids thru kidneys, for flushing out bad stuff.. no more fluid=no more flushing=build up alkaline diet, Sebi
Given the speed at which it killed and the outpour of sweat, it reminds me of when I got severe heart failure a year ago. The sweating I had was a kind of unnatural one, happening everywhere I had skin and even when I was cold.
TY for your contribution to (real) science, grass-root observation with no taint.. TY again. Look up Dr. Sebi diet, Antoine Bechamp, cholecalciferol (vitamin? D3) uses as pesticide.
What if it was similar to the sleeping sickness found in Africa and transmitted by the tsetse fly? One of the symptoms of the sweating sickness was a strong desire to sleep.
I've been investigating best natural treatment for sweating and discovered a great website at Mikes Sweat Blog (google it if you are interested)
Not even close.
same effect.. perhaps similiar/same cause... run with it.. good logic. : ) tho Antoine Bechamp would think past the fly. I agree, think foul-play.
think that blog got nullified : ( @@sagarshrestha7224
Excellent information. It's odd no one wants to study the causes by exhumation of a victim. Like sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and saying la-la-la really loudly.😷😷😷
The problem with exhumation for this is, I would think, that the soft tissues carrying the pathogen would be corrupted, unlike the cadavers with the Spanish flu that were in Alaska or Siberia.
best kept a secret, for the guilty culprits. cholecalciferol = vitamin D 3 pesticide
Title: What was the sweating sickness?
Me: Yes! I'd love to learn what that really was.
Video: goes on forever just stating names of those who died from it.
Me: *sigh* well, maybe they'll tell us towards the end.
Video: 15:28 "nobody knows for sure what the sweating sickness was"
Me: 😑🤦♀️
Well, how about changing the title, then?
Applehead Moonwalker completely agree!! What I was able to discern from the video was with people dying that fast and mostly in the summer months, along with the symptoms is WHY people died- at least probably. High fevers and the level of dehydration that must have caused would have lead to severe hypernatremia (high sodium). This would have lead to neurological symptoms such as severe head aches and people essentially acting “crazy” as the video insinuated. Additionally, sweating (along w potentially V/D) would have caused hypokalemia (low potassium) that often leads to fatal cardiac arrhythmias.
What the causative agent may have been though.. I’m still searching for any information to narrow that down
Alayna Hackert , wickepedia now refers to it probably a hantavirus virus, originating from mice.
The title has a question mark at the end of the sentence thus it is clearly questioning what was it which does not imply that the video will answer it! And by the way do you know what a rhetorical question is?
Filipe Matias , I don't see a question mark? I guess people thought that they were going to learn something. I think that it was reasonable to expect the answer to the question. Could have googled it for a faster answer.
I love this!! 😂
Very interesting; these precise dates should noted. .
The point that went through my mind is this: Did it kill within hours of contracting the illness or was there a dormancy period like there are with many viruses? Don't think we will ever know though.
Seems that it moved quick once you had noticeable symptoms. So no, we wont know.
🇭🇲 🦘 A fascinating 'insight' into Sweating Sickness. A disease of the late 15th century and first half of the 16th century. Mainly during Tudor times in
.... England and for the most part only effecting the Anglo-saxon English peoples. I wonder why? Such a terrifying disease to suffer or witness. Some survived but so many thousands died. Although there are many theories as to what may have caused it, and exactly what it may have in fact been, it is strange that there remains No definitive answers, even today. cont...
I really should have watched this video long before this, but finally did so today. So pleased I did. A most interesting account given and (as always) very well researched. cont...
An outstanding video. "Thank you" so much Claire 💓👑👍
Very strange, and very scary. The interesting hypothesis that it affected people of Anglo Saxon descent is of particular interest and suggests that they somehow lacked an inherited ability to either stave off an attack of whatever agent caused it, or to only experience mild symptoms.
In any case, it reminds us that we are only one organism or mutation away from suffering a new and potentially deadly illness. I do wish some sort of genetic study could be carried out to try and learn more about this very strange malady.
Lacking an inherited ability makes a lot of sense. England was a small nation, and a huge chunk of its population had died in the plague in the mid-1300's that the next couple generations were probably more than a bit inbred. When you only have so many people around to marry, bloodlines mix more times than they should. The people who were immune to it maybe had a more varied genetic background.
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It's 2020 and Covid-19 has shut the world down. Scary.
@@janmarjamaa6713 Wow, I wrote that five years ago, not thinking that it would occur so soon. I believe some sci-fi movies or books had been written about that premise, never thinking it was just around the corner. Something so tiny can devastate human life on this planet. The saying is true: tomorrow is never guaranteed. Keep safe.
they were poisoned... in their alcoholic beverages. New day, cholecalciferol.
Well done. Very interesting that the disease was selective within communities.
Raw meat, lack of bathing, along with other forms of poor hygiene, gee wonder why they died from so many things, also mercury poisoning & lead in everything
Yes, dangerous times!
actually not many natural things will kill masses of people as people used to be sensible enough to know what was bad.
obviously isolated groups might all die from spolied food but many survive or have tolerance.
Idiots. So your told we such filth and tou believe this stupidity.
@@rosewhite--- finally critical thinking. Oh yes young welthy men didnt bath was the issue. We are so dumbed down. Good glad these shieep are gonna. Die
Men drop dead withing hours. Well to do or more intelligent. Think about it . Critical thinking. If viral or bacterial the young would have gotten it not healthy young men. Cyoung children are less clean. Do not repeat this bs people did not know cleanliness and keeping there dead and rotting bodies or animals out. They absolutely did. This has been known before christ. You better know there was traveling merchants. Did it not occure in war the men are killed not the woman. They are booty. You dont catch something and die in hours. Its poison. Poison was common back then. Think there are flowers and many things poisonous. Are people really this mentally slow. Killed mostly smart wel to do men. In most cases. You will sweat like all hell if you are poisoned. There are so many lies about our past. If you go and read old books in print not online but in your library. Do you not get no foreigners had it. Right no merchants. Theres a reason whites were dieing. By the way celts and englush had mixed so much. This is such bs. Why did the elderly not get it first. Theres a reason jews were accused of poisoning. People no more kept dirty houses then as the do now. Its an insult on purpose. Filth so mostly young well to do men died. Your aware there are many many natural ways to keep fleas and such away. I swear read about the black plague and how freat the jews thought that was like war for everyone to rid europe of so many. Do u think africans and middle eastern people were honestly more clean. Give me a break. I have proof these things were not viral. If your rh negative you dont have the protien antigens on your cells to get viral like small pox Ebola HIV. Now its possible that poisoning and otger illnesses were mixed around that time. Because celts are many rh negative. The northern iberrian peninsula were rh neg. Id be interested in that. And absolutely if these people died of these things and it was disease chances are you could find it and tge cause. They dont want to. Interesting if no globalist communist zionest banking family in the area you dont hear of plagues that kill two thirds of there people. Spanish went to the americas. The spanish merchant to be exact. Took africans and illness but the african slave did not die like the indians in big numbers. Interesting. These people were not just accused of things because we are evil people. Like today we know what the communist and Zionists do like on 911. They cant just rapid poison like before. Testing now. But they did make modified tics mosquitos and other man made diseases that have distroyed people lives along with the opiate epidemic that has ravaged the US and before was done to china and turkey. Defeating them. Critical thinking would be great people. Then they will complain its there people who loose there money and how angry they are at everyone whose being good to them. Just look and see whose poor. Whose moneys are drained when they move on please. Germany russia china mexico communist left these people in poverty and america our men cant go get a regular job and support his wife and children anymore. They dont make enough so the woman had to work then the tax so others could not work and have babies they support the whole third world and are laughed at robbed and worst is they taught our own kids to attack ourselves like in ww1 and 2. Lies making whites kill whites. Lie to there own jewish people so they fear and belive lies. They only have to look at you dont inprison eighty year old woman for saying she remembered the work camps diffrent same as many jews there know gas chambers and mistreatment was a fraud but they teach the next gernration there hate and fear. There white people alsi in the us but they force diffrent people together after edgucation of hate and lies. The oil bankers taught mexicans they are aryans and thats what laraza is. Then they sent them here and the almost all collect free everytging for generations and spit on white men paying for tgem in there country. What kind of horrible men go to anothers country to steal. The globalist have done this. Then they make whites hate the regular jew. The low iq ones. Next food shortage sickness and civil war so again they can change history lije they have started. People blacks were doing well and had every right you did before civil rights marches. Thats when they really tore up the black community. Now they got our kids commiting suiside at rates higher than died in both world wars. 1 in 30 are diagnosed with autism brain damage after vaccines and our people think all this normal. All of our mens inovations and manufacturing gone. All of it. They got 75 percent fighting age males brough here zero back ground . They have diseases then they give them ssn then ask if there back hurts and give them ssi benifits but our men have been told this for one hundred years. They dont pay attention or care. They will wait till our children are being chipped and say whats this cool thing. There mentally challenged in that way. I blame lake of testosterone. Sperm count has dropped in half everywhere but new york. Why new york. They are nit heakthier than rural midwest country boys. Who luves there. After ww2 what did they start adding to food water. They love poison. The poison tons of china randomly. They tried germany were caught and ryssia. Poison people poison there thing.
Strangely, this brilliant video is still around 🤗
Could it have been caused by something poisonous (rather than a pathogen) in the food or drink? It would explain why many fell ill "on the same day" .
That's what I'm saying. It seems to only affect certain groups of people at certain times. it has to be something that was ingested or something that they all came in contact with at the same time.
I feel as if it could have been fungal maybe from the wine? Fungi can attack the kidneys very quickly and kill rapidly.
like that huge amount in 1 night at Oxford (later in vid)
in the alcoholic drink... put in by bad humans, methinks.
linked to life style with people such as Anne Boleyn's maid dying from it @@Fatman4849
Didn't go further than England?
Didn't affect the Welsh, Scots or Irish?
Was it smugness?
Ha ha ha
It sounds like Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome due to encapsulated bacteria like Staph aureus or enteric bacteria like E.coli. Those infections increase during the late fall and summer months.
Well aren't you special... lol
Thanks! Time to google this sh- stuff!
The old southern folk called it dog days.
@@MFKR696 Sure am! Especially since I know what to do to decrease my chances of dying from SIRS. And others don't. LOL!
MICHAEL PIMENTEL do share
Love reading the old Englysh before the letter i. Its almost Dutch in many ways!
Could sweating sickness have been spread by ticks?
The strangest symptom is how it seems to effect based on english nationality. It could have been due to anthrax infected wool. Since Wool production was highly localized it could have meant foreigners whose clothes had been manufactured elsewhere simpky werent wearing wool clothing from local anthrax spore carrying wool supplies. The idea that contaminated textile supplies was the main infection vector could be the easiest to explain the fact that it seemed to choose based on nationality.
cholecalciferol wool
The specificity of the disease is curious; age, class, nationality, sex, and season all seeming factors. Was it one disease, or several?
I'm an epidemiologist, what we'd expect is that it's likely the same disease, but that there's an exposure that is more common to men from the upper classes. The seasonality could be a few things.
@@shinylilfish Thank You. Is there more you could say with x% of certainty ? Or shed any more light on. Again we know you cant be certain. But I find this very interesting and would like to hear more even if just reasonable or logical guesses and the basis for.
@@luettias Hah! You caught me at a good time, I'm working on COVID19 data and need a bit of a break. So, I've slightly refreshed my memory. As I'm not a historian it would be hard for me to make a really educated guess about what exactly what was going on- I'd need more expertise in virology and history for that. However, I could imagine a few things. It might have been that the disease was something coming from abroad, and people in cities and other parts of the UK had had exposure to some similar disease that gave them immunity. You might then imagine that young, rich men were more likely to be traveling and coming in contact with the disease. If they had very little contact with their peasants, and it wasn't extremely infectious person to person, then you might just see the disease in young noblemen. Other things that I can think of that might be recorded as "mostly affecting young noblemen"- something that was endemic to animals that were tended or kept by the rich and not the poor- maybe sheep or horses? Other thoughts might be that it's tick bourne like lymes disease. A lot of types of hunting were for nobility, so maybe they were the ones getting bitten by particular types of ticks during prime hunting season.
When it comes to seasonality- even today you see seasonal patterns to how people get sick. Flu season is in the winter, and Chlamydia season is (apparently) in the warmer temperatures. If it's some sort of animal or outdoor exposure, people go out less in cold weather, bugs are less active, but animals would have been in closer quarters or maybe even in the house during the winter- so that could change when you'd see a disease popping up. People ate a lot more seasonally during these times as well, so if it were some sort of food bourne infection it might have to do with food type and preparation during the season where it was being prepared.
Anyway, the specifics of it are hard for me to guess, because my specialty is looking for the pattern in data. I don't know enough about what life was like back then, and how accurately things were being reported. Maybe the people writing just didn't notice how many peasants were dying, because they didn't know many peasants.
@@shinylilfish I really glad you needed a break. Thank you for relpying so quickly and please excuse the spelling.
Just think of just how LUCKY we all r to be here! How many times did a past family member have to LIVE through times, when SO many died. If you dont feel like YOU r MENT to BE... you r wrong! I really wish we would all see the value in eachother and if so, maybe we would be ok with other kinds of thought, that we dont like. Instead of trying to understand a different point of view, we lash out or shut down. if I could change one thing i would want everyone to remember how they have been beating the odds for so long and together we can do amazing things.
Each person today has an unbroken line of ancestors who somehow managed to not just survive, but have children, that can be only traced back a few thousand years. For caucasians we can trace our bloodline back to about 11,000 years ago, and with visibility far less.
That we are here at all is a miracle in itself.
I read that the Wealthy in their castles had their help constantly sweeping up the rodent droppings which contaminated the air and their belongings with the bacteria ridden dust in , their damp , unventilated castles. The poor weren't as studious with keeping their houses clean so were less affected....with cleaner air.
@Adam Baxter My Brain isn't that creative....But then again....my Dreams have come true . In your case it would be called Intuition .
I often wondered why scientists don’t exhume a person who is know to have died of sweating sickness and run DNA to try to find what it was.
It's not likely that there would be DNA still on the bodies. When they did this with the Spanish flu they needed to find someone who was burried in northern Alaska in the permafrost in order to find preserved dna and that was less than 100 yrs after death.
sue mount There is some ability to collect data from tooth pulp if the skull was well preserved in burial. Otherwise, there would be no flesh left at this point.
You must not have any English stock in you. Every time something is done to see an old disease was there is always the chance you bring it back. The odds are very very small of course but none the less still possible. Look at anthrax its been know so far to stay in soil for 187 years to date in a statuses form. But do something like walk bare foot across it and the spores wake and start to thrive. As some one with a bit if English stock in them...no thank you. Leave it the f*** alone !!!
the culprits WANT it memory-holed.. they doin good job of it, eh?
From listening to your descriptions of who got sick & who didn't it sounds like it came from something they were eating, that only the upper classes could get their hands on & only English people ate or it could be that some people didn't get it because of genetic differences.
a fine alcoholic beverage?
How interesting! I find the affectation of only the English and then, only a few of the European populace very intriguing! Oh, maybe Time Team will do a dig soon and may be we'll get a sample of the illness to study and find out what it is!
Excellent video dear!
Have you heard of the Monastery that was full of Syphlitic folks?(..of course this was discovered upon disinterrement.) Very compelling evidence that Syphilis was in the Isles and Europe BEFORE America's discovery!
Ah history! How I love your mysteries!
Thanks again! Have a blessed day! Tudor style💜
INteresting! These disease outbreaks happened during the little ice age and the 23 years they mention 2 time so far is twice the 11 year spot cycle or equal the the suns magnetic field reversal cycle.
So during the little ice age temperatures were cooler and diet was poor due to the shortened growing season.
Yes indeed, I think it might be of great value to try to correlate the dates of the outbreaks with environmental, social and political events in England at those times. The key must be in the method of transmission, which could be affected by such events. The prime suspect: hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, is rarely spread by human contact, but a lice born virus is my favorite. Almost everyone constantly had them, and lice bite scabs and rashes would be so common that doctors would deem them "unremarkable" !
TY yes.. plague during, I think i heard.. TY for ur observation for science
I think bad humans did this.. chosen people, no less
If the disease skipped many of the elderly and children could it be a SDI?
If I was a betting man, I'd place my money on a tick-borne illness. I don't know the distribution of ticks in Renaissance England, but with the disease occuring predominantly in the summer, hitting young men of the getry and noble households, as well as monks, I'd say the forest held some deadly ticks. The symptoms are nearly identical.
yes, or maybe mosquitoes?
@Abe Steinberg Definitely doing something in the bushes.
@@juliemignard8448 I doubt it was mosquitoes. I used to live in the UK and never encountered a single mosquito in all the years I lived there in all of the places I traveled to, mainly traveling in the summer when they would have been most noticeable, and British people I've met who have visited my home state of Florida have had very strong reactions to mosquito bites that would have been noticed and remarked upon by the medical chroniclers of the day, with very swollen, red, itchy, and painful bite sites.
@@sadfaery Hmm, that's interesting. I sure do wonder how it could be that the susceptibility to whatever it was varied so much by the place of origin of the sufferer. That's why I thought maybe mosquitoes. They don't travel as far as ticks. It never occurred to me that UK doesn't have them. Thanks.
@@juliemignard8448 tick paralysis comes on quickly in certain dogs. Interesting idea
I am in my mid 70s , and I remember as a child we had what was called " flag floors" covered in " rush mats ". These were changed every year , hence the term " RUSH BEARING " when new matted covered floors were put down.
Galland 34 we had rush matting too. Mainly because it was cheap, I think. I always remember it being really uncomfortable on bare feet. It smelt nice though.
The most popular opinion seems to be the hantavirus theory. High level of human-human transmission aside it seems to be a good fit.
Fascinating information, but she reads it with the wrong emphasis on the words
I was also distracted by the sound effects in the background - starts with what appears to be a dog fight, followed by some interesting music and then some farm-yard noises - I found myself wondering about those rather then what she was saying. Yes, her style is not well-paced as a narration
Interesting and informative, but one word ruined it.
Using "decimate" in place of "devastate" has become so ingrained in common speech that neither word is served well.
People have forgotten that decimate is every 10th, equalling 10%. From the Roman habits of decimation a form of punishment.
And she used the word "the" more than once. I hate that.
I've been trying to figure this one out for years, the flu or malaria? These diseases have different smells. If someone had written down what it smelled like, a good doctor would be able to say what it was.
My mother got malaria as a child in the summer in Georgia in the 1920's. She felt good in the morning and feverish and sick by evening.
thanks so much for these videos ,I am a total Tudor era nut ,very informative
jennifer23ish a person who teaches about that era .... a Tudor tutor ! zing
@@tarwagon Didn't they have that question on Jeopardy at one time under "Rhyming words"
@@nancyomalley6441 I could totally see that lol they have categories with answers similar to that quite often
A clear and well marked map would be helpful... very interesting!
It would be are you volunteering to do it?
Sounds like some form of meningitis with the rash, migraine type headache and fervour. On another note don’t you think the description of the sweat better suits the oranges and lemons rhyme what with people just falling over or a least of the plague and the sweating sickness?
Are you thinking of ring a ring of roses because oranges and lemons is about bells, debt and beheading
Rachel Lazenby no just a random thought really. Just an idea that like most things in life the rhyme could be a lot older that thought and reused and changed over the years.
@@AbiShafi the original version is known from a 1774 compilation of folksongs for children and while is slightly different still is about the bells of London and goes as follows:
Two Sticks and Apple,
Ring ye Bells at Whitechapple,
Old Father Bald Pate,
Ring ye Bells Aldgate,
Maids in White Aprons,
Ring ye Bells a St. Catherines,
Oranges and Lemons,
Ring ye bells at St. Clements,
When will you pay me,
Ring ye Bells at ye Old Bailey,
When I am Rich,
Ring ye Bells at Fleetditch,
When will that be,
Ring ye Bells at Stepney,
When I am Old,
Ring ye Bells at Pauls.
Rachel Lazenby interesting and thanks for the insight.
Well...just google oranges and lemons. That was creepy. Thanks for that nightmare!
Was this recorded in a restaurant or a play? Very strange background noise.
This was very interesting! Awesome research!
It came to my notice reading the Cousins' War series and then the Tudors by Philippa Gregory. ( PS. Is not Caius pronounced 'Keys'?)
same with islands in the Caribbean. @@johnjephcote7636
Decimated towns around England? So all of the towns were reduced by one tenth?
Scarlet fever? We had a little girl die of this when I was in elementary school, and she was dead within hours from a horrific fever. Nobody else got it, but everyone was freaked out.
tosca donna she was a child; the sweating sickness was said to spare small children and the elderly.
My sister had scarlet fever at age 13. We were all quarantined at home. Signs posted outside. She survived.
Malaria?
A very good piece of diligent research . Equally well chosen are the contemporary portraits and pictures. Thanks for this most informative video with an authentic text . However , it just couldn't have been Richard theThird ' s revenge( as one of your viewers has suggested ), for the simple reason that nothing at all happened to his successor ,Henry . Whether we consider him a usurper or not is beside the point .
Has anyone considered wood alcohol poisoning from poor home distilling? It's weird it only instantly hit men, and caused body odor.
Arsenic?
Was it viral meningitis or enchaphilitis?
Scarlet fever or strep seem similar in symptoms. Also roseola... E coli can cause some of these symptoms as well. Bacterial in nature, so they can easily spread, and arrives seemingly suddenly. How could we know without exhuming someone known to have died of it?
It seems to have spread in warm weather and then left quickly.
I had scarlet fever but only remember a rash but had medicines back then and was a few days before I got them. Felt pretty decent with scarlet fever.
I'd like to add, having grown up getting strep twice a year, every school year till grade 6, that strep doesn't kill in 24 hours or less. My mother didn't think I had much wrong with me the first time I had strep, thus it was a few days before I saw the doc.
Thank you. Meg, Thomas More's daughter came down with the Sweat and survived.
I remember reading that Prince Arthur and Catherine of Aragon both had fevers but he had died after he drank cold well water so it's possible he died from this disease.I wonder if it didn't have something to do with eating meat.I also read that it was described as affecting those who were "full of meat"
Shannon Miller It’s plausible. The wealthy ate more meat than the rest of the population, but it’s pretty well known that Henry ate a lot of meat, even for the day. But he avoided illness.
Didn't the King have a taste tester to see if it was poisoned?
@@maggiemae7749 I would think so.
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I remember seeing reference to this in a movie . I looked up the particular dates and it appeared in france oncebutnot again. Interesting disease. Apparently did not reappear since this first outbreak.
Does this video answer the question in its title?
Yes, it explains what sweating sickness actually was, its symptoms, its spread, etc.
A large population also contributed to the sweating sickness, many would pass on illnesses during church service congregating in a small area with windows and doors closed. The word bacteria was unknown at the time and without the aide of antibiotics the illness spread rapidly, and only those with the strongest immune system survived.
The disease Brucellosis can be transmitted to humans via raw milk. I have had it. Everyday around 5:30 -6 pm I would grow fatigued and get a fever. When my lymph nodes swelled I knew something was up. Antibiotics cured it quickly. I don't know if left untreated it would be fatal.
Maybe we should call it the "Tudor Trots"
No, call it the Drops.
Andrew Borromey people died. I don’t find it funny.
This was a fascinating video. What spoiled it for me to a great extent was the mispronunciation of the name of John Caius. It was pronounced as 'Kees' or Kays, which is what his birth name actually was. He is recorded as the second founder of the college at which he was a student was renamed as Gonville and Caius and pronounced Gonville and 'Kees'. The fact that the man Latinised his name was no reason to change the way it was uttered.
I did correct it in the pop up as I realised as soon as I'd recorded it that I'd said it wrong.
Excellent presentation - very well done! The details of this epidemic seem to point out a food-born contamination (which could plausibly explain the abdominal pains) and while people died rapidly it likely was a toxic food poisoning which caused systemic failure and brought on death. . . The reason it afflicted young men and the upper-class more is possibly because they had access and the means that children and the elderly did not consume. Trade is likely responsible for explaining why it spread to particular areas and nations and the fact that the peoples there consumed the same particular food or drink. Could this have been the result of food washing with contaminated water? A product or food many ate - a contaminated wine perhaps? Could this have been a virulent form of pathogenic E-coli or some sort of food-borne contamination which could have caused such symptoms? The evidence that it spread to other countries would have only been a sign that it was passed via trade of the contaminated product. I am inclined to think it was. . . If this were Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS), it would not seem plausible because of one reason: Hantavirus is carried by rodents (mice) and if this got to Calais ...let say from mice on the ships, why did this not spread elsewhere in Europe like the plague would have? NOT everyone would have been genetically immune and some casualties would have been expected. Hantavirus would have affected the young and the elderly as it is particularly aggressive even in young children. . . So how can this be explained. The people of mainland Europe could have developed some sort of 'survivors' immunity' over the centuries perhaps which may be explained in some genetic immunity factor involved but this does not explain why the children and elderly were not as badly affected by this in London and England. I am willing to bet this was a contamination in a particular food or drink that men were more prone to eat... a meat or ale or wine of some sort which the less fortunate, young children and elderly did not touch. The Turks were likely spared because they did not drink at the time - they were Muslim. So, I am now thinking this came in a contaminated drink of some sort. . . Barley ale or wine maybe. . . It could NOT be relapsing fever (caused by lice or tics) as this could not explain the death of small groups withing quick periods in remote contained areas while NO ONE else got sick. This is why I think a sort of food contamination was at play here.
@JRRnotTolkien However, the problem here is that cholera kills people across age groups unlike what happened here. . . So, despite your suggestion is quite good, it still does not explain nor 'fit' the profile of what happened here (where young men and the upper-class were impacted more). . .
The Scots, Welsh and French eat and drink, why were they largely unaffected?
@@jelkel25 I cannot answer you there... - perhaps a 'built up' resistance / tolerance which over very long periods of time may have become partially genetically transmitted ...who knows. . .
@@jelkel25 I wonder as well if copious amounts of wine and ale possibly may have protected them from the worse ...where this acted as some sort of a 'natural disinfectant' in their guts and helped them survive. . . Who knows. . .
@@RoyalSnowbird Yes, it's a puzzle. I've had the question "what do Anglo-Saxons eat/drink/do that few others do" in the back of my mind all morning and the only things that spring to mind are beer (I seem to remember Scots drank a lot more wine when allied with France) and maybe some form of traditional cheese or dairy products.
It sounds like the hantavirus, if it mostly the wealthy, they would have had food storage to attract mice , and it hits fast and most don’t survive, even now because people think it’s just an everyday headache, stomach ache, lost someone I knew years ago, he had a headache, then fever then the family took him to the hospital, and he was gone the next day. They didn’t know right away, they exhumed his body a month later as many in the area were falling ill
Couldn't even imagine one second in that era!I I wouldn't have survived
No soap 🧼 😓😓😬😬 no way
What was the deal with the background noise?
Charles Schwartz I thought I was the only one noticing, because there are rarely any comments about it
19th may 1536 Anne Boleyn Thought I Wish The Sweating Sickness Had Killed Me First
I'm glad it didn't kill her off or we wouldn't of got Elizabeth 1st
Well done. Thoroughly enjoyed!
Waited just to have this: "... I guess we'll never know...?!"
What was sweating sickness? 0758am 12.7.23 does everything boil down to this term we use called: bad bread.. the ergot infused rye that people were eating... one would have thought sweating out any illness was a boon. not so ergot infused rye if it was taken in heavy doses. p.s an early document of a specific part of the european population ie: the original natives of said region being purposely bumped off?
There are a couple great scholarly articles about sweating sickness available online. One in particular traced the spread of the disease in one epidemic, from an area which, if I recall correctly, was northwest of London and rural. Many modern researchers compare the symptoms to known rodent vectored hanta virus diseases, but in tracing the spread of an epidemic of the sweat, it appeared the disease was passed from person to person. This rarely happens with hanta virus. It is also notable that the better off, better fed people were devastated more than the poor and underfed. It is tempting to think that the poor were regularly exposed to something which gave them an immunologic advantage, yet hygiene was not very good in any strata of society at that time. Would it even be possible to identify an aspect of life of the poor, other than deprivation, that differed greatly enough from the wealthy, to be suggested as conferring an advantage?
Actually the Tudor household cared alot about hygiene but how much we don't actually know but the fact that recipes for soap and 'hand or hand washing waters' are included in household instruction manuals illustrates that there was interest in personal hygiene. Wealthy ladies used a scented toilet soap or ‘castill soap’ for their daily wash. Not all levels of society could use this type of soap, as it was imported and very expensive. The soap was made with ‘olive oil rather than the animal fat used in laundry soap’In Hugh Plat’s Delightes for Ladies, a 14th century household manual, he gives directions for preparing washing water suggesting the use of ‘sage, marjoram, camomile, rosemary and orange peel as possible ingredients.’ He also offers an alternative that is ‘very cheap’ once again suggesting that it was not only the wealthy Tudors that were interested in personal hygiene but people from all levels of society. People in the Tudor household did take baths but not daily b/c you have to find a wooden tub and collect and heat buckets of water which was time consuming although nothing stopped them from washing daily. Believe it or not the royals back then had plumbing and luxurious bathrooms. Apart from bathing they used scented perfumes although that was more of a status of wealth than masking the smell on one's clothes than that person. Usually during the summer months people of all classes wore an undergarment made from linen called a smock or a shirt. The Tudors took great care in ensuring their linen was clean as it was a sign of one’s respectability. In Richard Jones’ book, Heptameron of Civil Discourses, a book about how to have a happy marriage, he says that a woman who does not wear clean linen ‘shal neither be prazed of strangers, or delight her husband’ Most would try and change their linen daily and the wealthier would have changed their linen several times per day. It could be sanitised very easily by boiling lye (water run through ashes normally). The outer garments would be regularly changed for activities like riding and dancing (which would raise a sweat), aired, brushed down and have sweet smelling herbs burnt around them to air them out properly.Stains would be carefully treated individually, depending on what they were from.
The poor didn't store food , in their house. , No food no mice , roaches , fleas , poor is arid , useless , ..no shit no flys!
Maybe poor people did not eat as much fresh meat, because they couldn't afford it or weren't allowed to hunt the wild species, like deer, that the rich did. Raising one pig a year and salting it to last all next year isn't the same as gorging on fresh venison every week. So if, as others here suggested, this was caught from animals...
Was this disease exported to North America or elsewhere in the new world?
What was the sweating sickness? Didn't know when the video started and didn't know (still) when it was over. Not very helpful.
Then listen. It clearly states the reported/recorded last out break. It also clearly states they do not know what it was. They throw out some simulator things but nothing matches up all the way.
Could the sweating sickness have been Meningitis?
So it's still a mystery. Hm, well, I quite like the theory floating around in the comments, that it was contaminated ale or beer. Back then, everything from treebark to eggs was used as flavor, so I don't find it unlikely that some brewery was the cause of it. Let's say it was caused by a rare bacteria carried by oaktrees only in some areas of england. It would explain the regional and demographic limitation of the disease.
Also, I feel like the doctors contributed to how deadly the disease was. Honestly, withholding water from people who are sweating and feeling thirsty, there's just no way that was helpful. Although, if the liquid the patient was reaching for was more contaminated beer, perhaps the advice was helpful after all...
I also like the idea it was contamination but nobody has mentioned wine. Would explain the demographic somewhat. Summer is the time most wines would have been ready for drinking. Wine was often used as a replacement for the foul tasting water by the upper classes and in monasteries.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Bubonic plague is also found in the American Southwest. The last urban plague epidemic in the United States occurred in Los Angeles from 1924 through 1925.
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I looked up the weather records for England, but could find no information for 1485. The winter of 1506-7 was bitterly cold. In London, the Thames was frozen throughout January. The summer of 1517 was extraordinarily hot throughout southern England. The years 1527 and 1528 were characterised by extremely wet summers, and taken together, these were the wettest pair of years since records began. 1551 was marked by several severe storms crossing southern England, and rivers flooding. The common factor was weather that would drive both rodents and people into buildings, where they would be near each other. This information supports infection by a virus in the Hanta family, but does not (of course) prove it.
Hanta mostly affect men?