Rogue One was the prequel we needed.. How they made Tarking/Leia and bringing back some familiair places.. Im 21 but i grew up with every Star Wars film.. I really had the OT feeling when watching the Death Star/Tarking scenes. Awesome film!
What impressed me about Rogue One in its connection to ANH, is how much thought Edwards and company put into this. The Imperial Round Table scene, my favorite scene in ANH, I noticed there was a chair there but nobody was in it. It then hit me that was Krennic's chair. Which that blew my mind. Also, when seeing ANH's Yavin IV base, it was remarkable how identical they were. To me, Rogue One added that depth that I honestly had with ANH. I'm NOT saying it is bad. Far from it. But given the prequels and my love of the Legends continuity, I always wanted to see the story of how the Rebels got the Death Star plans. Now, we have it. And in my humble view, it was great. It made me further appreciate Luke and company's struggles as Jyn Erso and company's ultimate struggle against the Empire was NOT in vain. That their act would be the catalyst for a massive change. This being that New Hope which was Luke Skywalker. :)
"It then hit me that was Krennic's chair." Mmmm probably not. I think you're looking WAY too deeply here. Krennic would not have been a blip on George Lucas' imagination at that time, the character would not have existed in his mind at all..........besides, Lucas has nothing to do with these new movies, none of his ideas were used in TFA and certainly would not have been used here.
inefekt69 I think you're missing the point. I get that Lucas didn't have the foresight for this. And I'm more aware that he is not involved. My thoughts, i'll plead the fifth. Still, it is an amazing thing to notice when watching Rogue One and ANH back to back and I personally believe had Krennic lived; he would have been in that seat. And that to me, is really cool. It goes to show how Edwards and company studied ANH quite a bit with Rogue One.
+inefekt69 - You're looking at it in literal terms. From a storytelling standpoint, and what Neil is getting at, is that little things that may have been oversights back in 1977 now have a lot of relevance. Like Luke being Red 5. We actually see the original Red 5 in Rogue One, he dies which of course leaves the position open for Luke to take it in IV. It's just awesome that these new films can take little inconsistencies or over sights in the OT and give them some depth and explanation. (The biggest one being the exhaust port itself, which was flawlessly explained in Rogue One.) But yeah, as Neil said Edwards and co. must have studied ANH to a ridiculous amount, which is pretty commendable.
Nautilus1972. nah, he largely stole StarWars and most of the best stuff you love is thanks to other talented people, just like nearly everything you hate is due to Lucas pushing his ideas through.
Rogue one fits the timeline whether it was minutes or hours when Princess Leia Organa receives the weapon's plans in the hope of finding a weakness is inconsequential to me. This is the case where suspension of disbelief is important so that you can enjoyed this fictitious movie lol. Watching the New Hope now carries an emotional weight that was missing for me. I enjoyed the movie but it didn't reach my heart before. It is phenomenal to watch these Rogue one characters who are normal people with no powers show extraordinary strength, self-sacrifice and courage in getting these weapons plans so that they can beat the empire. We should focus on that moral message and not nitpick the timeline. May the force be with you guys! Take care!
Joyful Kia for me if I watch it right after another, which I did, it comes off a bit silly. Nothing is ruined. For me New Hope is far and away the gem of the series. It's the big seller and the Oscar winner (in tech categories). I know Empire does everything better but it improves upon more than it innovatives. Which I'd why I like T1 over T2 and Alien over Aliens. Nothing can ruin the original Star Wars for me. on its own I found Rogue One to be tight but not impactful enough. Doesn't develop the world or characters enough. And gets too melodramatic at times. Inconsistent with the style of Star Wars I'm used to.But very much in line with the new Disney style. I really can't stand Force Awakens bit I'll let eps 8 and 9 come out before I write it off.
Επανεινωνδας Κοσμας Thanks for your perspective and insight. I respect your opinion. the beautiful thing about movies is that its subjective and no movie is perfect and loved by everyone . I love force awakens but you don't and I can respect that. of course nothing can beat the Oscar worthy original star wars in my opinion. the originals will always be superior. its always nice hearing other viewpoints different from my own thanks for being respectful even if we don't agree. take care and have a happy sunday
Joyful Kia Happy Sunday. And I'm never disrespectful with regards to opinions of art. Seems silly to me when people are. I do however troll back with trolls. Just for kicks. Anywho. I get that people like Awakens and I get why. To me it's like a Beatles cover of a Smokey Robinson and the Miracles song. It's a great song. It can't be bad recorded by the Beatles, but I've heard it before done by a better group. That's how I see Force Awakens. But just like how many only like the Beatles versions of old rnb songs, some will even prefer Awakens to the originals. I have no qualms with anyone that enjoys something. For example, my favourite non-originals is Phantom Menace. And most people, even myself at times, would think I'm nuts to say Menace is a Star Wars film than Rogue. And yet, it's what I think.
Joyful Kia Welcome to the club (in case you didn't know) of people who think EP IV-VI are going to be the top 3 Star Wars films! The prequels are now Disney dismissed (but still Disney Cannon) and we rate Star Wars 4th, 5th, etc. best from TFA and Rogue One to start it off.
To be fair, most of the Rebels who were actual *on* the Tantive IV didn't see Vader (I don't think Captain Antilles did either). But the crew probably decided on a last ditch effort to at least divert his attention briefly. And like you said, there are more than one blockade runners and Vader probably didn't have the time to see the ship's specific markings. But he totally did know they were lying, even before Rogue One was a thing he wasn't taking their BS
I couldn't agree more. Rouge One makes Ep. 1-6 MUCH better. But that's how the world is. When you put something bad next to something good, the good seems even better :D
I think rogue one changed forever the way i watch the scenes of a new hope, and for good, the story is now little bit more complete, like we got one more piece of this puzzle plot
I think the Rebels lying about being on a diplomatic mission in A New Hope works with the end of Rogue One, because presumably there's more than one ship that looks like Tantive IV. It could be a very common ship design for all we know. So, from their point of view, Vader probably doesn't have any evidence that it's the exact same ship (regardless of how sure he is that it is the same ship). Anyway, what are they supposed to do? Immediately give up and go, "Yep, that was us. We stole the plans. Here you go."
What about the force? I guess Vader was too weak to do what most padawans and kylo ren can do? Force persuasion? Mind trick? Sith Domination? It also raises a bunch of questions as to why he can't do things like fight while using the force, which he seems completely capable of doing in Rogue one but not in any subsequent movies.
That doesn't really bother me, actually. There's a disconnect between the OT and the prequels as to what the Force is and how it works, its parameters, etc. And Darth Vader's powers seems to vary a bit even between the OT movies themselves. It's obvious that the character was still being fleshed out in the original OT and that the parameters of the Force were never set in stone during those movies. And also perhaps certain abilities just couldn't be done on film due to the limitations of special effects, stunt work, etc. To me, the Darth Vader we see in Rogue One feels like the one I imagined as a kid when I watched A New Hope. That's good enough for me.
I don't either. Bail left for Alderaan to ask her to go get Obi-Wan. But she's in the corvette docked on the flagship and we know Raddus left before Bail did, so she must have talked to him over transmissions rather than face to face.
Leia was not on Alderaan. She was already on Yavin IV. I think she was hitching a ride on Raddus's ship en route to Tattooine, only for Raddus to inform her that Scarif was his real objective. She then proceeded to Tattooine after the Battle of Scarif because she had a diplomatic travel documents authorizing her to stop there, besides the fact that she still had to complete the original mission given to her by her father (Bail Organa) to contact Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I just find it so freaking perfect because people were wondering "why does this film not have any opening crawl?" well now we know why-because this film *IS* the opening crawl.
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read the crawler to A New Hope...... it covers exactly what happened in Rogue one Also the Falcon and Slave one are not unique ships. The falcon is a YT-1300 and Slave one is a Firespray 31.
Well to be fair, the Falcon is modified and Slave I is basically the signature ship of Boba / Jango Fett. You never see any other ship of that kind, not in the movies atleast.
So true, I am not a huge fan of Star Wars but and even I knew that it was going to connect to "A new hope" ...I like these discussion videos but... did these guys watched the movie?, or have they seen any previous movies..? cos it doesnt seem like it to me.
I knew it was supposed to happen before Episode 4 but I didn't realize it would connect all the way to see Princess Leia in the same ship she gets captured by Vader
It never made sense trying to say the ship was on a diplomatic mission. The ships are firing on each other when they first appear on the screen. Troopers start firing as soon as they enter the ship. The Rebels are ready and waiting to fight. If anything, the opening to ANH makes more sense after the ending of RO. C-3PO's line about 'no escape for the Princess this time' fits perfectly because they just escaped from Vader minutes before. And Vader says he knows they weren't 'on any mercy mission'. To me the two connect better than I thought they would.
It does explain why this Rebel Alliance that was supposed to be growing in strength and gaining official support had almost nothing to oppose the Empire in ANH.
The difference between Rogue One and the prequel trilogy - and this coming from someone who respects and likes the prequels - is that it adds to the original/s. It adds layers to Episode IV and the destruction of the Death Star; to Mon Mothma, Red/Gold Squadrons and even Tarkin. Was Anakin's tale in the prequel trilogy tragic? Sure! But did I already know it would be from what we get in Return of the Jedi? Hell yeah I did!
A lot of people mistakenly think hyperspace is instant space travel but in the movie lore it took our heros in A New Hope 3 days or so to get from Tatooine to Alderaan. And in order to travel between some places it could take several way points.
Sill, those x-wings were onto Edue (edua?) in near realtime it seemed, and the rebel fighters also joined the fight at Scarif very quickly after being ordered too, so it is a bit unclear.
It ties in perfectly. In the opening crawl of ANH says that rebels have won their first victory against the empire, and that rebel spies managed to steal the plans. This is all accurate to what happened in rogue one, with that being the first time the rebel cells all banded together in a large battle. It's perfect. Even Vader's line of "several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies" is accurate. Jyn (in disguise as an imperial, hence the spy) transmitted the plans up to the mom calamari cruiser. The rebel ship was inside that cruiser, so technically the plans were transmitted to that ship (the Tantive IV).
But how did the Tantive IV end up in the Devastator at the end of Rogue One just before getting away and being captured again in A New Hope? We never learned why the Tantive was there in the first place! The Rebels were like "DETACHED!!!" All right, but why were you attached in the first place? Can a ship just detach itself from a bigger ship?
If your butt is caught red-handed by someone who is probably going to kill you, you might as well lie...if for no other reason than to buy time. Never give up, never surrender, never end the resistance.
Nautilus1972 my head canon is that he takes a few days in pursuit. I grew up listening to the radio drama, where Leia is on the run incognito for a little bit, hiding behind her political status. Also, going off some other tie in materials, Vader low-key LET her go. I feel like the film makers had this in mind...he has very slight hesitation. He had to put on a show for his troops, but held back in the final moment. If he had stopped the plans, then that rag tag fleet would be crushed end of story. He was trying to use bait with the ultimate goal of...what we see on episode IV. He wanted central Rebel leadership. If not for the weakness in the station and the presence of his son on the opposing side, that plan would have worked. In one of the comics (I think the current run is considered canon), Palpatine is angry at him over his costly gamble, and he tries to implicate Tarkin as well. Palpatine is like "well he's dead, so it's all on you."
Leia playing innocent to Vader didn't make much sense even before Rogue One. Star Wars opens with the empire attacking the ship with the rebels fighting back, so I don't see how this changes anything.
With regards to if this enhances the original trilogy: I absolutely think yes. I'll never see the opening of ANH and see the plans again without thinking of the sacrifice that our band of heroes went through to get those plans there. Not to mention all of the evil machinations of Tarkin to get himself in charge of the Death Star. This does what a prequel should which is recontextualize the already existing material whilst also standing on its own. It also doesn't fall into the fatal trap of the prequel trilogy by not staring characters that we see in the original trilogy. We all knew where Obi and Ani were going to end up, which squashed any tension in the scenes with them.
In a galaxy far far away do they not have some form of camera that records a ship escaping, in which case they would know, which freighter as the plans.
Kuldip Binning. but why wouldnt Leia deny being culpable? you dont admit to every thing you jave done whenever a cop pulls you over do you? particularly when you know for a fact that cop will murder you painfully?
Vader was never shown to "sense" Princess Leia in any way in the original trilogy because she had no knowledge of her Force connection and therefore would not give off any indication that she is present or near Vader...she WAS shown in Rebels to be a known diplomat who made it a habit to fly in supplies to war torn areas for the relief of locals and imperials alike...
4:00 Neither the Millennium Falcon nor the Slave I is a unique ship. The Falcon is a YT1300 Corellian Light Freighter and the Slave I is a Firespray-31-class patrol and attack ship. If you're gonna geek out at least do it right.
Ha! Yeah, I couldn't help but notice that, not just in this film but any of them: Hits guy encased in armour on his helmet, knocks him clean out... -What??? :D
CorvinDallaz I'd like to think that even if the shit came from a costume shop, it'd be pretty good protection against a blind guy swinging a 1" diameter stick.
One of the glitches" in the connection between "Rogue One" and A New Hope" are the two line Darth Vader uttered to Princess Leia. "Several transmissions were beam to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!" What we saw in"Rogue One" was a hand-off! It wasn't sent directly to Leia's ship. Another line from Vader; "I have traced all the dead rebel spies to her. Now,she is my only link in finding the hidden rebel fortress." So, the film did not establish the relationship between Leia and the main characters involved. From “A New Hope” Leia seem to have a reputation of conducting “mercy missions” during times when rebel activities take place but stays in “good standing” with the Imperial Senate which she is a member. The film makers could have exploited that to mesh the two films together. The main characters would have been known employees/friends/acquaintances/subjects which would have brought suspicion from Darth Vader. If the story writers did a little more “homework”,the two films may have “dove-tailed” far more neatly.
The series has already established that when a ship goes to hyperspace, it's difficult to track. When the Falcon disappears in ESB, Piett says " Calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory." Clearly, Vader would have to hunt & track them down. Where continuity does break down is the "intercepted" a transmission part. I didn't interpret the exposition about the flaw to be the exhaust port. Rather, it's just that if an explosion were to occur in the reactor core, it would cause the entire Death Star to be destroyed. The rebels still needed the full plans to figure out a way to make that explosion happen. If not for the exhaust port, then they would have needed to infiltrate and set off a bomb in the core, which is probably more what Erso had in mind.
I don't want a channel I think that would be a lot less compelling since the emperor basically says that he let them have the plans on purpose to lead the Rebels in to a trap (It's a trap!). Also, with that story it means that the emperor had bothans slaughtered for no real reason. He was going to let them have the plans, but still many bothans died.
Yes, the whole trolling Vader just minutes after they escaped seems silly. But I think that the rebels did it for stalling. They didn`t have enough time to copy the plans or to send it to Tatooine personally so in a last ditch effort, they had to divert the empire`s attention briefly until Leia put the plans in R2. And to stall even further, Leia turned herself in so that R2 and C-3PO had time to escape in a pod with the plans. And as far as the rebels know, who were on the actual Tantive IV didn't see Vader (I don't think Captain Antilles did either). This is the best explanation I could come up with. The real question is that how did the empire find the exact ship that had the plans. Do they have a method to calculate and predict lightspeed destination coordinates? If so then why didn`t the empire follow the Millenium Falcon when they escaped via lightspeed in ep. V? Mabye I`m just overthinking a movie about space wizards and laser swords but I like it when a movie feels complete, well thought through and no loose ends. If someone could give me a believable explanation for that I would be grateful.
I don't think the exhaust port plot was a bad thing in the first place. Think of it like a car, you need somewhere to vent the heat and a station that size will be creating a lot of heat. if you stick an apple in a car exhaust the car will break down, fire a torpedo it to that amount of heat, it will blow. people need to stop over thinking things
They did bring it back to the Death Star, but it's not like they did it on purpose. They were trying to bring it to Alderan. They didn't even know what the Death Star was.
It wasn't just luck. They knew from events in Rebels that Alderaan was a hotbed of rebel sympathy. While they weren't looking for the plans explicitly by going there with the Death Star, if they wanted to mess with the Rebellion's plans, Alderaan's a logical place to start looking.
you forgot the fact that when the tantive escapes from vader´s clutches, R2D2 and C3PO are in Yavin 4, and not with Leia inside the ship. So it has to happen waaaay later, because the droids need time to meet leia in the tantive ship. So its not minutes, but I would say days.
Why not do Star Wars timeline then see how it fits right you know rogue one do you know for certain about it trying out new stores timeline. And make sure you start with the prequel‘s first holy farts
TBH, I always felt that when Vader was choking Antilles and said, "If this is a counsellor ship, where is the ambassador?" he was being sarcastic, like, 'heh, like that excuse is gonna work'.
There wasn't any. If your device was designed to generate and store energy to later release it in controllable manner and your mechanism of releasing that energy will break, then very often that device will break in spectacular way of blowing up.
The "hand off" was the one issue I had. How difficult would it have been to have Leah heading to Tatoine, and receiving a transmission from the flagship. Her Corvette is the only vessel outside the battle within transmission range due to Empire Jamming, and Vader is able to track the transmission. It isn't that big, but still...
The only problem to me with the flaw in the design being added purposely by Galen, is that apparently it was also overlooked by his superiors/supressors. Apparently we are to assume that the only people to fully understand the plans, were on Galen's team (or even only Galen himself).
Millennium Falcon is a modified YT-1300 Corellian Freighter. The Ep. IV opening scroll talks about the first rebel victory against the Empire. Thats the victory. Amazing film!
What I noticed was that by the time all the ships are leaving for the battle of Scarif, R2-D2 and C3PO are still at the rebel base, so how did they end up with the fleet on the Tantative?
This is exactly my problem with the film! Not a huge problem but it could have been so easily fixed! They could have beamed it to Admiral Raddus's ship and then they beam it to leia's ship and still have that amazing ending without messing up the integrity of the beginning of a new hope.
How did the two droids, R2 & 3PO last seen on Yavin, get on the Corellian Corvette? Keep in mind that the fleet sent to Jedda was a rush to support. They would not abandon Yavin and would be too rushed to worry about a protocol droid and an astro mech. The Corvette had to have at least met another ship (the Ghost?) to collect the droids or transfer Leia (if another Corvette). There would have had to been days to as much as a couple weeks between Rogue One and A New Hope. I suspect Vader was quite driven to find the plans thus no more than 2 weeks in my estimation. Rogue One segues beautifully into A New Hope.
Not a fan of the prequel, but I liked how Bail brought the trilogies together. Now that we have movie explains the plot hole of the flaw, in the Death Star, now all we need is on to explained why the pod w/o life signs wasn't blasted upon jettison.
MAJOR PLOT HOLES! How did no one talk about the plot holes rolling into New Hope that this movie created. 1. Organa said he was sending Leia to find Kenobi before the Rogue group leaves, then why was her ship in the hold of the command ship? 2. C-3PO and R2-D2 are pictured on the ground in a hanger surprised by the scrambled attack (which we are told one of the other generals was already launching), yet they also somehow end up in the corvette inside the command ship at the battle?
I think the first prequel trilogy did more to mess with the time line of the original trilogy than Rogue One ever could. And we now know that the Millennium Falcon is not a "unique" ship. It was a "standard" freighter of the time.
Daddy Crowell It could have the wedding between Han Solo and Princess Leia. Show how Luke Skywalker got on that island. Also what was left of the empire became the first order.
Steve Huff Yes, but the remnants of the Empire would have had no political power. The First Order certainly seemed to have political power. None of it makes any damn sense at all
I just think the cameo of the Tantive IV and Leia were just there for Fan Service. I like the idea of Vader searching for blockade runners but like a getaway car surely the smart move would have been to dump the Tantive or escape in a different ship so Vader has a hunt instead of a simple chase. The fact that the Tantive was there at the battle seems a rather ballsy move given the importance of the battle. What if they had lost would Bail have sacrificed his daughter for nothing?
It was probably a few hours. Vader would have cleared the rebel ship and looked through its computer to find what ship that left was and see if it had a destination
Just like there was a Movie in how the Rebels stole the plans, there is also a movie in how Vader "traced the rebel spies to Her now she is my only link to finding their secret base"...
the tantive jumps to lightspeed to a planet.,.... shortly after while a blockade is set up around planet, they decide to run, claiming to be on diplomatic mission,..... the star destroyer gives chase and captures the BLOCKADE RUNNER / Tantive IV
Only one person saw Vader that is on the Tantive so Leia didn't know about Vader yet. She did a hyper space jump to Tantooine 30 seconds after getting the plans and had no idea that the Star Destroyer that just caught them was even at the battle they just left. She is doing the basic stalling a person would do when pulled over by cops and you know you have drugs in the car.
If you have to pick a part the successes or flaws of ANY Star Wars movies, you have to answer 1 question. How does interstellar travel work, time wise. Everything will become clear once we all know this.
Magic Dankscopes and it really made Tarkin look a lot less authoritative. In New Hope he looks like the long time ruler of the Death Star. But thanks to Rogue One we realize that he barely had anything to do with the Death Star until he swindled the guy that built it out of a job and only ran the thing a few days until Luke blows it up.
We know from ANH that Alderaan was their first demonstration of the power of the Death Star. I always knew that the Rebels had blown up the Empire's new toy.
Prior to ANH they wanted to keep it under wraps. Vader even tells Krennic, "The Death Star does NOT exist. The Senate was informed Jeddha blew up in a mining accident." Alderaan was the coming out party for it.
If you allow for the fact that Lea's ship had several registration numbers, trying to pass themselves off as being on a legitimate mission isn't so dumb
I don't feel like the victory in rogue one really changes anything as far as how you were supposed to see the rebellion. What I mean is the opening crawl of episode 4 starts by saying that the rebellion just had a major victory against the empire. This movie just gives us more context and makes that detail even more obvious.
Great Commentary. What would have been so horrible for a weak transmission be intercepted from a short distance away by Leia's ship instead of actually leaving the battle in some alienesque departure from the mothership? Seriously, it would have been flawless and instead they made it incredibly sloppy.
I don't think the exhaust port needed an entire movie to explain itself. It wasn't really a flaw. It's a feat of engineering that they didn't need dozens of those exhaust ports. It could not be any smaller because that single port was exhausting all the heat produced by the death star. The rebels should never had found out about it, but they got lucky and got the plans. Then the should never had been able to make a successful shot because they were getting destroyed until luke (an extremely gifted force user and pilot) barely made the shot. The empire had a good thing going until all of these horribly unlucky and impossible to predict factors came into play. I still liked rouge one a lot, but I hated how much of the plot focused on this "flaw." I think it should have been that Galen had pointed out that there was a way to destroy it. The port was necessary and unavoidable. Really the second death star needs a whole movie to explain why there an entire ship could fly into the middle of it.
Uhm...it's been established that they can plot out all possible hyperspace routes, thank you clone wars, so Vader simply told his commanders to plot out all possible courses, and hunt down the rebels - and anyone who failed got executed.
the only thing that can be a negative about this movie is that it draws too much attention away from the main idea. george lucas made this to be a story about Luke and his relationship between his father, sister, and friends which shape him to become a jedi and return his father to the light. The rebels and the empire was just the setting of the story. disney has totally thrown this out the window with these new movies but Rogue One was Incredible. Rogue One fits perfectly but it has nothing to do with the skywalker family.
I feel as if the battle of scarif was the the true unifying of the "rebel" cells into one public persona vs individual groups. Keeping the core feel of the original rebellion feeling
its almost like nobody takes a second to actually think about what they are confused about. There is no doubt in Vaders mind that the ship he captures is the same ship that fled the battle in rouge one. HOWEVER, it becomes quickly apparent to him that this is indeed a diplomatic ship carrying a Senator of the Imperial Senate. Despite what you may choose to believe, the Emperor still needs to play along with the senate and even the imperial officers know this. "holding her is dangerous...". Even the existence of the Deathstar was covered up to avoid enquire from the Senate. So Vader couldn't go completely ape shit aboard the ship of an Imperial Senator.
So the death star instantly obliterates Dantooine (7 minutes into A New Hope) hours after it slowly and dramatically destroys Scarif?? I understand they said earlier in Rogue One that the Death Star would be upgraded. But why mention the upgrade if it won't make sense regardless? Rogue One was the one adapting to A New Hope, not the other way around.
The new hope crawl says rebels spies steal plans during an attack, the movies connected fine.
Rogue One was the prequel we needed.. How they made Tarking/Leia and bringing back some familiair places.. Im 21 but i grew up with every Star Wars film.. I really had the OT feeling when watching the Death Star/Tarking scenes. Awesome film!
What impressed me about Rogue One in its connection to ANH, is how much thought Edwards and company put into this. The Imperial Round Table scene, my favorite scene in ANH, I noticed there was a chair there but nobody was in it. It then hit me that was Krennic's chair. Which that blew my mind. Also, when seeing ANH's Yavin IV base, it was remarkable how identical they were.
To me, Rogue One added that depth that I honestly had with ANH. I'm NOT saying it is bad. Far from it. But given the prequels and my love of the Legends continuity, I always wanted to see the story of how the Rebels got the Death Star plans. Now, we have it. And in my humble view, it was great.
It made me further appreciate Luke and company's struggles as Jyn Erso and company's ultimate struggle against the Empire was NOT in vain. That their act would be the catalyst for a massive change. This being that New Hope which was Luke Skywalker. :)
"It then hit me that was Krennic's chair."
Mmmm probably not. I think you're looking WAY too deeply here. Krennic would not have been a blip on George Lucas' imagination at that time, the character would not have existed in his mind at all..........besides, Lucas has nothing to do with these new movies, none of his ideas were used in TFA and certainly would not have been used here.
inefekt69 I think you're missing the point. I get that Lucas didn't have the foresight for this. And I'm more aware that he is not involved. My thoughts, i'll plead the fifth. Still, it is an amazing thing to notice when watching Rogue One and ANH back to back and I personally believe had Krennic lived; he would have been in that seat. And that to me, is really cool.
It goes to show how Edwards and company studied ANH quite a bit with Rogue One.
+inefekt69 - You're looking at it in literal terms. From a storytelling standpoint, and what Neil is getting at, is that little things that may have been oversights back in 1977 now have a lot of relevance. Like Luke being Red 5. We actually see the original Red 5 in Rogue One, he dies which of course leaves the position open for Luke to take it in IV.
It's just awesome that these new films can take little inconsistencies or over sights in the OT and give them some depth and explanation. (The biggest one being the exhaust port itself, which was flawlessly explained in Rogue One.)
But yeah, as Neil said Edwards and co. must have studied ANH to a ridiculous amount, which is pretty commendable.
Lucas INVENTED Star Wars for fuck's sake. Give the man a break!
Nautilus1972. nah, he largely stole StarWars and most of the best stuff you love is thanks to other talented people, just like nearly everything you hate is due to Lucas pushing his ideas through.
I was under the impression a New Hope is literally seconds after the end of Rogue One.
now we need a movie that takes place 10 minutes after revenge of the sith
order 66 a star wars story
cole allen lol
Order 66 needs to be a Force Unleashed style game starring Ahsoka and Quinlan Vos
Ross Batten Then Order 69! 👉🏻👌🏻😆
More like just erase the prequels.
Rogue one fits the timeline whether it was minutes or hours when Princess Leia Organa receives the weapon's plans in the hope of finding a weakness is inconsequential to me. This is the case where suspension of disbelief is important so that you can enjoyed this fictitious movie lol. Watching the New Hope now carries an emotional weight that was missing for me. I enjoyed the movie but it didn't reach my heart before. It is phenomenal to watch these Rogue one characters who are normal people with no powers show extraordinary strength, self-sacrifice and courage in getting these weapons plans so that they can beat the empire. We should focus on that moral message and not nitpick the timeline. May the force be with you guys! Take care!
Joyful Kia for me if I watch it right after another, which I did, it comes off a bit silly. Nothing is ruined. For me New Hope is far and away the gem of the series. It's the big seller and the Oscar winner (in tech categories). I know Empire does everything better but it improves upon more than it innovatives. Which I'd why I like T1 over T2 and Alien over Aliens. Nothing can ruin the original Star Wars for me.
on its own I found Rogue One to be tight but not impactful enough. Doesn't develop the world or characters enough. And gets too melodramatic at times. Inconsistent with the style of Star Wars I'm used to.But very much in line with the new Disney style. I really can't stand Force Awakens bit I'll let eps 8 and 9 come out before I write it off.
Επανεινωνδας Κοσμας Thanks for your perspective and insight. I respect your opinion. the beautiful thing about movies is that its subjective and no movie is perfect and loved by everyone . I love force awakens but you don't and I can respect that. of course nothing can beat the Oscar worthy original star wars in my opinion. the originals will always be superior. its always nice hearing other viewpoints different from my own thanks for being respectful even if we don't agree. take care and have a happy sunday
Joyful Kia Happy Sunday. And I'm never disrespectful with regards to opinions of art. Seems silly to me when people are. I do however troll back with trolls. Just for kicks.
Anywho. I get that people like Awakens and I get why. To me it's like a Beatles cover of a Smokey Robinson and the Miracles song. It's a great song. It can't be bad recorded by the Beatles, but I've heard it before done by a better group. That's how I see Force Awakens. But just like how many only like the Beatles versions of old rnb songs, some will even prefer Awakens to the originals. I have no qualms with anyone that enjoys something.
For example, my favourite non-originals is Phantom Menace. And most people, even myself at times, would think I'm nuts to say Menace is a Star Wars film than Rogue. And yet, it's what I think.
exactly rogue filled in that missing puzzle piece
Joyful Kia Welcome to the club (in case you didn't know) of people who think EP IV-VI are going to be the top 3 Star Wars films! The prequels are now Disney dismissed (but still Disney Cannon) and we rate Star Wars 4th, 5th, etc. best from TFA and Rogue One to start it off.
the ending was amazing
Yes, it sure was. 😊❤️
To be fair, most of the Rebels who were actual *on* the Tantive IV didn't see Vader (I don't think Captain Antilles did either). But the crew probably decided on a last ditch effort to at least divert his attention briefly. And like you said, there are more than one blockade runners and Vader probably didn't have the time to see the ship's specific markings. But he totally did know they were lying, even before Rogue One was a thing he wasn't taking their BS
I love the idea that the rebels were trolling Vader lol.
Well they have no reason to tell the truth :D
Rogue One makes A new hope soooo much better
I couldn't agree more. Rouge One makes Ep. 1-6 MUCH better. But that's how the world is. When you put something bad next to something good, the good seems even better :D
I think rogue one changed forever the way i watch the scenes of a new hope, and for good, the story is now little bit more complete, like we got one more piece of this puzzle plot
I think the Rebels lying about being on a diplomatic mission in A New Hope works with the end of Rogue One, because presumably there's more than one ship that looks like Tantive IV. It could be a very common ship design for all we know. So, from their point of view, Vader probably doesn't have any evidence that it's the exact same ship (regardless of how sure he is that it is the same ship). Anyway, what are they supposed to do? Immediately give up and go, "Yep, that was us. We stole the plans. Here you go."
The video answered that around 3:12. In the Star Wars universe the ship model is a Corvette.
Yeah, I jumped the gun and commented too early while watching the video. Then the guy in the middle made the exact same point I was trying to make.
What about the force?
I guess Vader was too weak to do what most padawans and kylo ren can do? Force persuasion? Mind trick? Sith Domination?
It also raises a bunch of questions as to why he can't do things like fight while using the force, which he seems completely capable of doing in Rogue one but not in any subsequent movies.
That doesn't really bother me, actually. There's a disconnect between the OT and the prequels as to what the Force is and how it works, its parameters, etc. And Darth Vader's powers seems to vary a bit even between the OT movies themselves. It's obvious that the character was still being fleshed out in the original OT and that the parameters of the Force were never set in stone during those movies. And also perhaps certain abilities just couldn't be done on film due to the limitations of special effects, stunt work, etc. To me, the Darth Vader we see in Rogue One feels like the one I imagined as a kid when I watched A New Hope. That's good enough for me.
Hell no. I think it fits in perfectly. Most of the planets were in the Outer Rim. It was cohesively fused.
I still don't understand why Leia was in the Mon Calamari ship where the plans were relayed. Did I get it wrong?
I don't either. Bail left for Alderaan to ask her to go get Obi-Wan. But she's in the corvette docked on the flagship and we know Raddus left before Bail did, so she must have talked to him over transmissions rather than face to face.
Leia was not on Alderaan. She was already on Yavin IV. I think she was hitching a ride on Raddus's ship en route to Tattooine, only for Raddus to inform her that Scarif was his real objective. She then proceeded to Tattooine after the Battle of Scarif because she had a diplomatic travel documents authorizing her to stop there, besides the fact that she still had to complete the original mission given to her by her father (Bail Organa) to contact Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I love how Rouge one tied in with A New Hope. It for sure lightens a New Hope for me!
I just find it so freaking perfect because people were wondering "why does this film not have any opening crawl?"
well now we know why-because this film *IS* the opening crawl.
I think the amount of time inbetween them is literally the amount of time it takes for the opening credits
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Andreas Nordvall lol
they've actually already discussed the movie on this channel for a longer time than the movie runs for.
Because it is much better to use titels that have nothing to do with the video and that no one will ever click on instead of using a titel that makes sense with the video and that attracts people to click and watch because ADVERTISEMENT IS FREAKING IMPORTANT.
Logic
This video should have been titled "Does Rogue One make a New Hope better"
I low key want a Rouge 1.5 where Vader goes on like 10-15 ships massacring the rebel soldiers until finally he gets to a New Hope.
read the crawler to A New Hope...... it covers exactly what happened in Rogue one
Also the Falcon and Slave one are not unique ships. The falcon is a YT-1300 and Slave one is a Firespray 31.
Well to be fair, the Falcon is modified and Slave I is basically the signature ship of Boba / Jango Fett. You never see any other ship of that kind, not in the movies atleast.
The ending of "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" makes the beginning of "A New Hope" look really silly.
"Including how it connects to A New Hope, which was kind of surprisng."
Um, not it wasn't
For you
soulblacknight For anyone who knew a thing about the movie
So true, I am not a huge fan of Star Wars but and even I knew that it was going to connect to "A new hope"
...I like these discussion videos but... did these guys watched the movie?, or have they seen any previous movies..?
cos it doesnt seem like it to me.
I knew it was supposed to happen before Episode 4 but I didn't realize it would connect all the way to see Princess Leia in the same ship she gets captured by Vader
soulblacknight You must have been living under a rock
It never made sense trying to say the ship was on a diplomatic mission. The ships are firing on each other when they first appear on the screen. Troopers start firing as soon as they enter the ship. The Rebels are ready and waiting to fight.
If anything, the opening to ANH makes more sense after the ending of RO. C-3PO's line about 'no escape for the Princess this time' fits perfectly because they just escaped from Vader minutes before. And Vader says he knows they weren't 'on any mercy mission'. To me the two connect better than I thought they would.
Great insight and commentary...thank you guys!! And Merry Christmas to each of you (and everyone at Screen Junkies)! Have an awesome holiday.
You too! And thank you!
Rogue One Rules!!!!!!!! 👍😁
It does explain why this Rebel Alliance that was supposed to be growing in strength and gaining official support had almost nothing to oppose the Empire in ANH.
The difference between Rogue One and the prequel trilogy - and this coming from someone who respects and likes the prequels - is that it adds to the original/s. It adds layers to Episode IV and the destruction of the Death Star; to Mon Mothma, Red/Gold Squadrons and even Tarkin. Was Anakin's tale in the prequel trilogy tragic? Sure! But did I already know it would be from what we get in Return of the Jedi? Hell yeah I did!
A lot of people mistakenly think hyperspace is instant space travel but in the movie lore it took our heros in A New Hope 3 days or so to get from Tatooine to Alderaan. And in order to travel between some places it could take several way points.
Sill, those x-wings were onto Edue (edua?) in near realtime it seemed, and the rebel fighters also joined the fight at Scarif very quickly after being ordered too, so it is a bit unclear.
actually looking at the map now it seems Tatooine is right next to scarif.
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It ties in perfectly. In the opening crawl of ANH says that rebels have won their first victory against the empire, and that rebel spies managed to steal the plans. This is all accurate to what happened in rogue one, with that being the first time the rebel cells all banded together in a large battle. It's perfect. Even Vader's line of "several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies" is accurate. Jyn (in disguise as an imperial, hence the spy) transmitted the plans up to the mom calamari cruiser. The rebel ship was inside that cruiser, so technically the plans were transmitted to that ship (the Tantive IV).
But how did the Tantive IV end up in the Devastator at the end of Rogue One just before getting away and being captured again in A New Hope? We never learned why the Tantive was there in the first place! The Rebels were like "DETACHED!!!" All right, but why were you attached in the first place? Can a ship just detach itself from a bigger ship?
Watch the movie again and delete your comment.
Pink Love I think that was Admiral Raddus's command ship which they detached from at the end of Rogue One. Not The Devastator.
Dude you ruined the fun :/
Oh I apologize. I didn't see your comment. I probably would have commented anyway in case he still didn't understand. Sincerest apologies nonetheless.
Apology accepted.
If your butt is caught red-handed by someone who is probably going to kill you, you might as well lie...if for no other reason than to buy time. Never give up, never surrender, never end the resistance.
What's with these horrible clickbaity titles? it ties in perfectly
No it doesn't. Look at the beginning of ANH again with Leia and Vader. She basically says that her ship isn't the one he's looking for.
Nautilus1972 my head canon is that he takes a few days in pursuit. I grew up listening to the radio drama, where Leia is on the run incognito for a little bit, hiding behind her political status. Also, going off some other tie in materials, Vader low-key LET her go. I feel like the film makers had this in mind...he has very slight hesitation. He had to put on a show for his troops, but held back in the final moment. If he had stopped the plans, then that rag tag fleet would be crushed end of story. He was trying to use bait with the ultimate goal of...what we see on episode IV. He wanted central Rebel leadership. If not for the weakness in the station and the presence of his son on the opposing side, that plan would have worked. In one of the comics (I think the current run is considered canon), Palpatine is angry at him over his costly gamble, and he tries to implicate Tarkin as well. Palpatine is like "well he's dead, so it's all on you."
Nautilus1972. and why shouldnt she? she had no idea Vader watched the ship go, and even if she knew she would have denied it anyway.
It does fit in perfectly in terms of time but they discuss the logic behind it.
Leia playing innocent to Vader didn't make much sense even before Rogue One. Star Wars opens with the empire attacking the ship with the rebels fighting back, so I don't see how this changes anything.
With regards to if this enhances the original trilogy: I absolutely think yes. I'll never see the opening of ANH and see the plans again without thinking of the sacrifice that our band of heroes went through to get those plans there. Not to mention all of the evil machinations of Tarkin to get himself in charge of the Death Star. This does what a prequel should which is recontextualize the already existing material whilst also standing on its own. It also doesn't fall into the fatal trap of the prequel trilogy by not staring characters that we see in the original trilogy. We all knew where Obi and Ani were going to end up, which squashed any tension in the scenes with them.
In a galaxy far far away do they not have some form of camera that records a ship escaping, in which case they would know, which freighter as the plans.
Yeah definitely.
Kuldip Binning. but why wouldnt Leia deny being culpable? you dont admit to every thing you jave done whenever a cop pulls you over do you? particularly when you know for a fact that cop will murder you painfully?
Vader was never shown to "sense" Princess Leia in any way in the original trilogy because she had no knowledge of her Force connection and therefore would not give off any indication that she is present or near Vader...she WAS shown in Rebels to be a known diplomat who made it a habit to fly in supplies to war torn areas for the relief of locals and imperials alike...
4:00 Neither the Millennium Falcon nor the Slave I is a unique ship. The Falcon is a YT1300 Corellian Light Freighter and the Slave I is a Firespray-31-class patrol and attack ship.
If you're gonna geek out at least do it right.
Can we all agree that Stormtrooper armor doesn't work? I mean, being hit by a stick causes instant death.
Ha! Yeah, I couldn't help but notice that, not just in this film but any of them: Hits guy encased in armour on his helmet, knocks him clean out... -What??? :D
CorvinDallaz I'd like to think that even if the shit came from a costume shop, it'd be pretty good protection against a blind guy swinging a 1" diameter stick.
Heh. No shit. Gotta upgrade to the Daedric armor, methinks.
MrDunedon 😂
One of the glitches" in the connection between "Rogue One" and A New Hope" are the two line Darth Vader uttered to Princess Leia. "Several transmissions were beam to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!" What we saw in"Rogue One" was a hand-off! It wasn't sent directly to Leia's ship. Another line from Vader; "I have traced all the dead rebel spies to her. Now,she is my only link in finding the hidden rebel fortress." So, the film did not establish the relationship between Leia and the main characters involved. From “A New Hope” Leia seem to have a reputation of conducting “mercy missions” during times when rebel activities take place but stays in “good standing” with the Imperial Senate which she is a member. The film makers could have exploited that to mesh the two films together. The main characters would have been known employees/friends/acquaintances/subjects which would have brought suspicion from Darth Vader. If the story writers did a little more “homework”,the two films may have “dove-tailed” far more neatly.
The series has already established that when a ship goes to hyperspace, it's difficult to track. When the Falcon disappears in ESB, Piett says " Calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory." Clearly, Vader would have to hunt & track them down.
Where continuity does break down is the "intercepted" a transmission part.
I didn't interpret the exposition about the flaw to be the exhaust port. Rather, it's just that if an explosion were to occur in the reactor core, it would cause the entire Death Star to be destroyed. The rebels still needed the full plans to figure out a way to make that explosion happen. If not for the exhaust port, then they would have needed to infiltrate and set off a bomb in the core, which is probably more what Erso had in mind.
It was a long, long time ago. They should've put the Death Star plans on a Zip Drive or floppy disk.
So, are we going to get the story of the Bothans who died to bring information about Death Star II before RotJ?
I don't want a channel I think that would be a lot less compelling since the emperor basically says that he let them have the plans on purpose to lead the Rebels in to a trap (It's a trap!). Also, with that story it means that the emperor had bothans slaughtered for no real reason. He was going to let them have the plans, but still many bothans died.
Yes, the whole trolling Vader just minutes after they escaped seems silly. But I think that the rebels did it for stalling. They didn`t have enough time to copy the plans or to send it to Tatooine personally so in a last ditch effort, they had to divert the empire`s attention briefly until Leia put the plans in R2. And to stall even further, Leia turned herself in so that R2 and C-3PO had time to escape in a pod with the plans. And as far as the rebels know, who were on the actual Tantive IV didn't see Vader (I don't think Captain Antilles did either). This is the best explanation I could come up with. The real question is that how did the empire find the exact ship that had the plans. Do they have a method to calculate and predict lightspeed destination coordinates? If so then why didn`t the empire follow the Millenium Falcon when they escaped via lightspeed in ep. V? Mabye I`m just overthinking a movie about space wizards and laser swords but I like it when a movie feels complete, well thought through and no loose ends. If someone could give me a believable explanation for that I would be grateful.
i respect the rebel soldier so much more now, the balls and gall he had to tell Vader that it was a "counselor" ship. Vader be like "b,tch please"
Consular.
I don't think the exhaust port plot was a bad thing in the first place. Think of it like a car, you need somewhere to vent the heat and a station that size will be creating a lot of heat. if you stick an apple in a car exhaust the car will break down, fire a torpedo it to that amount of heat, it will blow. people need to stop over thinking things
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They did bring it back to the Death Star, but it's not like they did it on purpose. They were trying to bring it to Alderan. They didn't even know what the Death Star was.
kurtemeigh It's still pretty funny though 😂
It wasn't just luck. They knew from events in Rebels that Alderaan was a hotbed of rebel sympathy. While they weren't looking for the plans explicitly by going there with the Death Star, if they wanted to mess with the Rebellion's plans, Alderaan's a logical place to start looking.
kurtemeigh. so they DIDNT take the plans BACK to the deathstar, it just happened to be where they took the plans to then they were caught.
you forgot the fact that when the tantive escapes from vader´s clutches, R2D2 and C3PO are in Yavin 4, and not with Leia inside the ship. So it has to happen waaaay later, because the droids need time to meet leia in the tantive ship. So its not minutes, but I would say days.
Why not do Star Wars timeline then see how it fits right you know rogue one do you know for certain about it trying out new stores timeline. And make sure you start with the prequel‘s first holy farts
TBH, I always felt that when Vader was choking Antilles and said, "If this is a counsellor ship, where is the ambassador?" he was being sarcastic, like, 'heh, like that excuse is gonna work'.
I wonder why there was a flaw in Star Killer base.
Cause Kylo Ren wanted to do things exactly the same way Vader did. "Look Grandfather! I have a massive weakness in my superweapon, just like you!"
JoeHooker11
Haha!! Yeah, probably! XD
There wasn't any. If your device was designed to generate and store energy to later release it in controllable manner and your mechanism of releasing that energy will break, then very often that device will break in spectacular way of blowing up.
Alexander the Great because that whole movie is crap?
Jan Skácelík
Personally I enjoyed it... Issues aside.
Well, they left the ending open to a sequel where Vader spends 2 hours tracking down and capturing the ship!!!
Christopher Castle. a real time continuous shot movie!
Need to give it enough time to make a trilogy out of it
Christopher Castle LOL...No 😡
The "hand off" was the one issue I had. How difficult would it have been to have Leah heading to Tatoine, and receiving a transmission from the flagship. Her Corvette is the only vessel outside the battle within transmission range due to Empire Jamming, and Vader is able to track the transmission.
It isn't that big, but still...
The only problem to me with the flaw in the design being added purposely by Galen, is that apparently it was also overlooked by his superiors/supressors. Apparently we are to assume that the only people to fully understand the plans, were on Galen's team (or even only Galen himself).
Millennium Falcon is a modified YT-1300 Corellian Freighter.
The Ep. IV opening scroll talks about the first rebel victory against the Empire. Thats the victory.
Amazing film!
Greatly enhances A New Hope.
Rogue one leads into a new hope fine.
What I noticed was that by the time all the ships are leaving for the battle of Scarif, R2-D2 and C3PO are still at the rebel base, so how did they end up with the fleet on the Tantative?
rogue one is a great pallet cleanser if you watch the episodes in order.
Show the pink ? A SABER, A TOOTH ? A PIECE OF GUMS. GOOD DENTIST TOO . . K!
This is exactly my problem with the film! Not a huge problem but it could have been so easily fixed! They could have beamed it to Admiral Raddus's ship and then they beam it to leia's ship and still have that amazing ending without messing up the integrity of the beginning of a new hope.
It connects because of the Death Star plans was handed of to a rebel cruiser and then chased over tatoonie
How did the two droids, R2 & 3PO last seen on Yavin, get on the Corellian Corvette?
Keep in mind that the fleet sent to Jedda was a rush to support. They would not abandon Yavin and would be too rushed to worry about a protocol droid and an astro mech.
The Corvette had to have at least met another ship (the Ghost?) to collect the droids or transfer Leia (if another Corvette). There would have had to been days to as much as a couple weeks between Rogue One and A New Hope.
I suspect Vader was quite driven to find the plans thus no more than 2 weeks in my estimation.
Rogue One segues beautifully into A New Hope.
Not a fan of the prequel, but I liked how Bail brought the trilogies together. Now that we have movie explains the plot hole of the flaw, in the Death Star, now all we need is on to explained why the pod w/o life signs wasn't blasted upon jettison.
Because the troopers made a decision without reporting it to Vader until afterwards.
star wars rougue one added more content to star wars new hope
LastofGods Blood it was like new hope dlc lol
LastofGods Blood yes red dragon kaiser xD
so who worked on the star killer base? They made it blow up easy on purpose too?
MAJOR PLOT HOLES!
How did no one talk about the plot holes rolling into New Hope that this movie created.
1. Organa said he was sending Leia to find Kenobi before the Rogue group leaves, then why was her ship in the hold of the command ship?
2. C-3PO and R2-D2 are pictured on the ground in a hanger surprised by the scrambled attack (which we are told one of the other generals was already launching), yet they also somehow end up in the corvette inside the command ship at the battle?
Now I want a super cut of all the Star Wars films. How cool would that be?
I think you can over analyse it. Just enjoy it for what it was. Epic.
This was such super nerd talk. I love Star Wars and thought I knew technical things.
You don't at all if this seemed in depth. You don't love Star Wars, you just watch occasionally.
Didn't have much of a choice... nerd
Didn't have much of a choice... woah, comedy gold.
Ксения Ковалевская So insecure.
Didn't have much of a choice... oh the irony.
I think the first prequel trilogy did more to mess with the time line of the original trilogy than Rogue One ever could.
And we now know that the Millennium Falcon is not a "unique" ship. It was a "standard" freighter of the time.
I would like to see a stand alone film that takes place between Episode VI and Episode VII.
Steve Huff About what, though?
Daddy Crowell Everything The Force Awakens didn't explain
Daddy Crowell It could have the wedding between Han Solo and Princess Leia. Show how Luke Skywalker got on that island. Also what was left of the empire became the first order.
Steve Huff Yes, but the remnants of the Empire would have had no political power. The First Order certainly seemed to have political power. None of it makes any damn sense at all
William Avitt It does if you use your imagination.
I just think the cameo of the Tantive IV and Leia were just there for Fan Service. I like the idea of Vader searching for blockade runners but like a getaway car surely the smart move would have been to dump the Tantive or escape in a different ship so Vader has a hunt instead of a simple chase. The fact that the Tantive was there at the battle seems a rather ballsy move given the importance of the battle. What if they had lost would Bail have sacrificed his daughter for nothing?
I still like the diplomat answer, even if it's only a few minutes after Rogue One. It's basically an attempt to gain some sort of protection/immunity.
These movies can literally be seen as one continuous 5 hour movie. Rogue One could be episode 4A and New Hope would be episode 4B.
It was probably a few hours. Vader would have cleared the rebel ship and looked through its computer to find what ship that left was and see if it had a destination
My biggest gripe is how did R2 and C-3P0 get onto Leias Ship??? Last we saw them they were on Yavin!
It has to take place later. we saw C3po and R2D2 on Yavin 4 making those comments as the fleet went out and they were on the ship in A new hope
Just like there was a Movie in how the Rebels stole the plans, there is also a movie in how Vader "traced the rebel spies to Her now she is my only link to finding their secret base"...
Rest in peace, Princess Leia. You will be missed along with Admiral Akbar and R2D2
the tantive jumps to lightspeed to a planet.,.... shortly after while a blockade is set up around planet, they decide to run, claiming to be on diplomatic mission,..... the star destroyer gives chase and captures the BLOCKADE RUNNER / Tantive IV
Loving all the Star Wars videos!
Great points Joe! Why hasn't anybody else thought of that???
RIP Carrie Fisher.
Only one person saw Vader that is on the Tantive so Leia didn't know about Vader yet. She did a hyper space jump to Tantooine 30 seconds after getting the plans and had no idea that the Star Destroyer that just caught them was even at the battle they just left. She is doing the basic stalling a person would do when pulled over by cops and you know you have drugs in the car.
If you have to pick a part the successes or flaws of ANY Star Wars movies, you have to answer 1 question. How does interstellar travel work, time wise. Everything will become clear once we all know this.
Let's be honest, this movie made the death star a lot less badass. I mean, it had an operational lifespan of what, three/four days!
In ANH, they say the Death Star isn't yet operational. Using it in RO was part of testing it. So, nothing has changed.
How is it not operational, they blew up Alderaan
Magic Dankscopes and it really made Tarkin look a lot less authoritative. In New Hope he looks like the long time ruler of the Death Star. But thanks to Rogue One we realize that he barely had anything to do with the Death Star until he swindled the guy that built it out of a job and only ran the thing a few days until Luke blows it up.
We know from ANH that Alderaan was their first demonstration of the power of the Death Star. I always knew that the Rebels had blown up the Empire's new toy.
Prior to ANH they wanted to keep it under wraps. Vader even tells Krennic, "The Death Star does NOT exist. The Senate was informed Jeddha blew up in a mining accident." Alderaan was the coming out party for it.
Spoiler just in case someone comes here who hasnt seen it ...
My question is....why the fuck is Leia in the middle of that battle?
Maximo Diplomatic immunity.
well played, sir
+james irwin
She was on her way to Tatooine on Admiral Raddus's ship, then was informed that he was going to Scarif first.
If you allow for the fact that Lea's ship had several registration numbers, trying to pass themselves off as being on a legitimate mission isn't so dumb
I don't feel like the victory in rogue one really changes anything as far as how you were supposed to see the rebellion. What I mean is the opening crawl of episode 4 starts by saying that the rebellion just had a major victory against the empire. This movie just gives us more context and makes that detail even more obvious.
I'm referring to the comments made at 5:13
Yeah, the rebels just "won" a major battle against the empire. More like, accomplished their mission by getting half their forces blown to bits
Great Commentary. What would have been so horrible for a weak transmission be intercepted from a short distance away by Leia's ship instead of actually leaving the battle in some alienesque departure from the mothership? Seriously, it would have been flawless and instead they made it incredibly sloppy.
I don't think the exhaust port needed an entire movie to explain itself. It wasn't really a flaw. It's a feat of engineering that they didn't need dozens of those exhaust ports. It could not be any smaller because that single port was exhausting all the heat produced by the death star. The rebels should never had found out about it, but they got lucky and got the plans. Then the should never had been able to make a successful shot because they were getting destroyed until luke (an extremely gifted force user and pilot) barely made the shot.
The empire had a good thing going until all of these horribly unlucky and impossible to predict factors came into play.
I still liked rouge one a lot, but I hated how much of the plot focused on this "flaw." I think it should have been that Galen had pointed out that there was a way to destroy it. The port was necessary and unavoidable. Really the second death star needs a whole movie to explain why there an entire ship could fly into the middle of it.
***** It wasn't finished on purpose to trick the rebels into thinking it was not operational. They should have been able to patch some of the holes.
Uhm...it's been established that they can plot out all possible hyperspace routes, thank you clone wars, so Vader simply told his commanders to plot out all possible courses, and hunt down the rebels - and anyone who failed got executed.
the only thing that can be a negative about this movie is that it draws too much attention away from the main idea. george lucas made this to be a story about Luke and his relationship between his father, sister, and friends which shape him to become a jedi and return his father to the light. The rebels and the empire was just the setting of the story. disney has totally thrown this out the window with these new movies but Rogue One was Incredible. Rogue One fits perfectly but it has nothing to do with the skywalker family.
I feel as if the battle of scarif was the the true unifying of the "rebel" cells into one public persona vs individual groups. Keeping the core feel of the original rebellion feeling
I counted TWO Alliance victories in Rogue One but A New Hope has an opening crawl claiming only one victory to that point. WTF?
Watching A New Hope right after Rogue One just makes it that much better
its almost like nobody takes a second to actually think about what they are confused about. There is no doubt in Vaders mind that the ship he captures is the same ship that fled the battle in rouge one. HOWEVER, it becomes quickly apparent to him that this is indeed a diplomatic ship carrying a Senator of the Imperial Senate. Despite what you may choose to believe, the Emperor still needs to play along with the senate and even the imperial officers know this. "holding her is dangerous...". Even the existence of the Deathstar was covered up to avoid enquire from the Senate. So Vader couldn't go completely ape shit aboard the ship of an Imperial Senator.
So the death star instantly obliterates Dantooine (7 minutes into A New Hope) hours after it slowly and dramatically destroys Scarif?? I understand they said earlier in Rogue One that the Death Star would be upgraded. But why mention the upgrade if it won't make sense regardless? Rogue One was the one adapting to A New Hope, not the other way around.