@@ancientegyptandthebible Oh yeah 2017 I was a divorced man. It was costly but getting out of the family I married into was priceless. I haven't seen them since...... Good riddence Jessiscar......
8:40 So then, in Islam, three pronouncements of Talak to divorce a wife is something inherited from their culture practiced in the Middle East for centuries, rather than originally Islamic
Any info on their commemorating anniversaries? I remember hearing Horus and Hathor's anniversary was remembered and celebrated, but how about for people?
That makes it virtually impossible that 70 Sons of Israel could increase their numbers to 2 million in just 4 or 5 generations by each brick-making-slave having a dozen or more wives and concubines. Under Egyptian rules was that not possible. Thus, there was nearly a one-to-one correspondence of the number of firstborns to the number of married couples.
8:55 From modern perspective it sounds like a lost game on the husband's side. Do we know what were the perspectives for a single mother in ancient Egypt, for example was it hard for her to remarry? Great video as always.
"Tis a little bit odd that the courts were rarely involved in the divorce process. Seemingly easier than the western process where the male usually loses.
@@ancientegyptandthebible どうもありがとうございます Dr. Falk. So they would say something like “nṯʿ.i ṯw, nṯʿ.i ṯw, nṯʿ.i ṯw” or “nṯʿ.i ṯn, nṯʿ.i ṯn, nṯʿ.i ṯn” depending on which one of them was speaking? (Note: I used the left half ring symbol U+02BF since the Egyptological ayin U+A725 doesn’t render for me on the mobile UA-cam app.)
No cults celebrated polygamy. And there would be no punishment other than being considered an utter pariah in society, which can actually be a pretty severe punishment.
Does that mean that Egyptian women consent to being concubines? Does that mean that Hagar willingly entered a concubine's gambit, or was she forced into being a concubine?
Egyptian women generally consent to being concubines. It's a much better deal than being a prostitute. But at the same time too, economic factors can limit one's alternatives in life.
"forced to be a concubine" is mostly a fetish. It certainly happened, but wasn't that common in history. It's important to remember that concubines have a measure of indirect power over the man. Their children are considered legitimate (this is part of the definition of "concubine", if it's not in practice we aren't really talking about concubines) this means it's not very prudent to have a resentful concubine
@@marvalice3455 I used the phrase "forced to be a concubine", because people generally think a concubine is otherwise a slave, so she would simply be commanded to become a concubine and have no say in it. But the reality is not that cruel as people think.
@@ancientegyptandthebible i suppose, but the narrative seems to indicate she was a handmaid first, not a concubine first. It's not explicit either way, but unless there is a tradition I don't know about it seems a bit thin to assert she was bought as a concubine when that's not immediately obvious from the text.
@@marvalice3455 It is doubtful that she would have been sold as a slave for any other purpose. However, even if she was not purchased initially for sexual slavery, being a concubine would have been a potential outcome for any female purchased as a slave--only the most naive of women didn't know that. Female slaves never had the option of refusing to become a concubine. Those that wanted that right to refuse became prostitutes.
Egyptians left us no records about their domestic life regarding marriage, however you have reached the conclusion that promiscuity was fairly common among them.
Actually, we have plenty of records about their domestic life especially among the craftsmen classes, including records about marriage, divorce, and remarriage. We just don't have records from the farming class which is the lowest social stratum in ancient Egypt.
Hi dr.Falk , I'm very disturbed recently after watching Francesca stavrakopoulou's material on whole bible , it's very damaging to both faith and belief , can you please check and respond correspondingly ?
Is it strange I got an ad for a divorce lawyer underneath this video?
If you watch a video on Egyptian marriage, you must be interested in a divorce. 😉
@@ancientegyptandthebible Oh yeah 2017 I was a divorced man. It was costly but getting out of the family I married into was priceless. I haven't seen them since...... Good riddence Jessiscar......
I got an add for home sales underneath this video 🤷♂️😂
The concubine's gambit sounds like a heck of a gambit
Very surprised to learn that it was actually mentioned in Genesis!
Learned something about a topic I didn’t know I needed to learn about 😂
Very interesting.
Now I’m interested in the spicy parts 🤣
See, thus is why I like you, Dr. Falk. You drop little and big nuggets on ane culture which changes the way we interpret and engage with the bible.
I'm glad somebody likes me. 😊
"You could not divide a single slave into thirds.' Well, not with that attitude.
I wonder what Mesopotamian interpretation there is on that Egyptian thought was. 😂
It could get messy. 😂
The fact that we practically know zero about the Farmers life is somewhat hauting.
The fear of being forgotten is a chain
Interesting indeed! ❤
8:40 So then, in Islam, three pronouncements of Talak to divorce a wife is something inherited from their culture practiced in the Middle East for centuries, rather than originally Islamic
Yes, it appears so.
Islamic law also requires waiting for around three months (specific time varies by situation) for divorce instead of being instantaneous.
Any info on their commemorating anniversaries? I remember hearing Horus and Hathor's anniversary was remembered and celebrated, but how about for people?
There's no evidence that anniversaries were commemorated.
I love the fact that your channel is a safe haven for positivity on the internet.
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Pretty neat stuff
That makes it virtually impossible that 70 Sons of Israel could increase their numbers to 2 million in just 4 or 5 generations by each brick-making-slave having a dozen or more wives and concubines. Under Egyptian rules was that not possible. Thus, there was nearly a one-to-one correspondence of the number of firstborns to the number of married couples.
Only if the sons of Israel lived by Egyptian customs.
Even ABR types like Titus Kennedy don't put the Israelite population at the Exodus anywhere close to 2 million.
@@stephengray1344 Yeah, I don't think the 2 million thing is viable either.
I have numbers based on a mathematical growth model that works with monogamy. That gives it validity. It doesn't work with polygamy.
@@501MobiusIt just doesn't work with local demographics.
8:55 From modern perspective it sounds like a lost game on the husband's side. Do we know what were the perspectives for a single mother in ancient Egypt, for example was it hard for her to remarry? Great video as always.
"Tis a little bit odd that the courts were rarely involved in the divorce process. Seemingly easier than the western process where the male usually loses.
8:47 What specifically would they say? I couldn’t find an Egyptian or Coptic word for divorce on Wiktionary.
There are two words for divorce: nṯꜤ and ḫ3Ꜥ. You can find them in the Lesko dictionary. BTW, Wiktionary sucks as a source.
@@ancientegyptandthebible どうもありがとうございます Dr. Falk.
So they would say something like “nṯʿ.i ṯw, nṯʿ.i ṯw, nṯʿ.i ṯw” or “nṯʿ.i ṯn, nṯʿ.i ṯn, nṯʿ.i ṯn” depending on which one of them was speaking? (Note: I used the left half ring symbol U+02BF since the Egyptological ayin U+A725 doesn’t render for me on the mobile UA-cam app.)
@@darkblade4340Yes, it would be something like that. The person would probably add iw to the beginning of the sentence.
Concubine’s gambit? Sounds like a chess opening!
What punishment would be given for polygamy? Were there any cults that would be polygamous?
No cults celebrated polygamy. And there would be no punishment other than being considered an utter pariah in society, which can actually be a pretty severe punishment.
@@ancientegyptandthebible I see, thanks for the information!
Does that mean that Egyptian women consent to being concubines? Does that mean that Hagar willingly entered a concubine's gambit, or was she forced into being a concubine?
Egyptian women generally consent to being concubines. It's a much better deal than being a prostitute. But at the same time too, economic factors can limit one's alternatives in life.
"forced to be a concubine" is mostly a fetish. It certainly happened, but wasn't that common in history.
It's important to remember that concubines have a measure of indirect power over the man. Their children are considered legitimate (this is part of the definition of "concubine", if it's not in practice we aren't really talking about concubines) this means it's not very prudent to have a resentful concubine
@@marvalice3455 I used the phrase "forced to be a concubine", because people generally think a concubine is otherwise a slave, so she would simply be commanded to become a concubine and have no say in it. But the reality is not that cruel as people think.
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Wow!!! It's great to hear from you. I hope all is well! Blessings!
@@ancientegyptandthebible Thank you, may God bless you too! I have embraced our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Son of God!
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@@disassembledpurity That is great to hear!!! I am so happy for you! Praise God and welcome to the kingdom!
Wait, wasn't Hagar Sarah's handmaid?
Yes... nothing prevents a woman from having a concubine for her husband.
@@ancientegyptandthebible i suppose, but the narrative seems to indicate she was a handmaid first, not a concubine first.
It's not explicit either way, but unless there is a tradition I don't know about it seems a bit thin to assert she was bought as a concubine when that's not immediately obvious from the text.
@@marvalice3455 It is doubtful that she would have been sold as a slave for any other purpose. However, even if she was not purchased initially for sexual slavery, being a concubine would have been a potential outcome for any female purchased as a slave--only the most naive of women didn't know that. Female slaves never had the option of refusing to become a concubine. Those that wanted that right to refuse became prostitutes.
@@ancientegyptandthebible ok
Egyptians left us no records about their domestic life regarding marriage, however you have reached the conclusion that promiscuity was fairly common among them.
Actually, we have plenty of records about their domestic life especially among the craftsmen classes, including records about marriage, divorce, and remarriage. We just don't have records from the farming class which is the lowest social stratum in ancient Egypt.
Hi dr.Falk , I'm very disturbed recently after watching Francesca stavrakopoulou's material on whole bible , it's very damaging to both faith and belief , can you please check and respond correspondingly ?