Our Volvo XC40 Recharge has had 3 updates in the year we’ve owned it. They stated some efficiency changes each time as well as adding Apple CarPlay. All OTA while parked in our garage. Each one did take about an hour or so. It’s good to see more automakers doing this. If only GM would make some simple software changes to my Bolt, I’m not holding my breathe.
13:46 don’t be confused, what you just described is “dealerships losing money”. And they don’t like that which is why we’ve seen dealerships fight EV’s for so long. They get paid to do this service. they make profit doing these services. They’ve actually have prevented some manufacturers from providing over the air updates in the past. They want you to come in so that they can get paid and they have an opportunity to upsell you something.
I own the Genesis 2023 Electrified G80 as well as the 2024 Kia EV9 GT. Both vehicles received this update at the same time. Obviously, this update is for more than just the EV9. I have received several OTA updates for my Genesis since owning it for almost two years so Genesis/Kia/Hyundai OTA updates are ahead of most OEMs.
Thanks for sharing. I just hope this is the start of something great for Kia. They desperately need to address their dealership network’s sales and service standards. Hyundai/Kia do not stand up for customers to limit their dealers from vehicle markups, and lackluster service. Addressing these issues should be their biggest priority.
@@rhuynh You're right. I had the same experience. I may be an EV enthusiast who does my homework, but I expect a dealer's sales and service team to know the vehicles on their lot better than I do. For example, how does an EV9 compete with a Rivian R1S, Tesla Model X, even a Kia Telluride on range, features, and capabilities (not just price)? If Kia is going to continue going upmarket they have to offer a better all round experience to compliment their vehicles.
My 2022 Volvo C40 Twin Motor recharge continues to be developed and software enhanced from the time I bought it in January 2022. The power of “connected car through quality software”. So far all of my OTAs have been installed in my home garage and taken only 15 minutes to install. There were two updates I landed up getting my local Volvo dealer to install which they happily did for me without any 🎭. Kyle - I was definitely influenced by your OOS podcast review of the Volvo C40. I pushed out my online order I believe in July 2021 it was, and I feel like it was around that time or right before you may have dropped your recording. 😀
My 2023 EV6 supports OTA updates (for infotainment) IF you have a certain tier of the Kia Connect subscription. Honestly, even when I was on my free trial of the top tier, the OTAs never hit my car because I don't have great Verizon reception at home and the updates are 35+ GB downloads. I just so the updates via USB. If it's not infotainment, though, yeah, that's a trip to the dealer.
That's one big drawback compared to the tech startup companies like Rivian or Tesla. They're doing major upgrades and changes completely over the air - even things like new suspension and driving modes.
@@RealElectech Some people might not consider it a drawback. It's a much larger attack surface from a security perspective, for one. For another, Rivian all but bricked some people's trucks with a botched update and I'm pretty sure Tesla's track record isn't spotless either. I'm all for being on the bleeding edge and an early adopter, but I'm also careful when it comes to things that, ya know, can kill people. Flying fast and loose with your changes is fine if it's just some software on your computer (move fast, break things, etc.), but I don't think that flies with something like motor vehicles. Tech people may criticize the "legacy" auto makers for not innovating fast enough, but that's because it's an industry where regulations are written in blood.
There was also a TSB released for this on Jan 25th so cars on the lots should have had it installed. the issue was that the logic to turn cooling on for at least one of the temperature sensors for high current AC charging did not account for really cold ambient temperatures (i.e. read the temperature as okay because the outside temperature was below 0F and the sensor is apparently not in the hottest spot when ambient temperature is low). First winter for the model so makes sense this didn't occur before January (even though ideally that should have been tested in a cold chamber)
Hey Kyle, my EQS 580 has received a few OTA updates. One update was to show front camera view when making a turn. It’s rather dumb because your eyes should be looking forward when about to make a turn. We need an OTA update to increase AC charging from 9.6kW to 11.5kW. Most EVs do 11kW.
2021 VW ID4 owner. I had to take the car into dealership to get the 3.1 update which made it OTA capable. Now I in a virtual line to get the next update. I got an email the first week of Dec 2023 saying the next update is ready. I have to wait for another email/notification to tell me when I can do this OTA. So clunky. Its now Feb 13th , 2+ months and still waiting.
@@benhillard919 who knows and there is no view on where you are at in this line. it seems random. some owner got the email weeks after i did and got the 2nd email shortly after..
Does the Ioniq 6 support true OTA? Hyundai is still telling people to go to the dealer. Service Campaign 9A1: VCU Update for IONIQ 5 (NE1) & IONIQ 6 (CE1)
2 years later and all updates and our Ioniq 5 still de-rates to 5.5kw after ~1 hour. Would love to have some out of spec outlet mention this at some point and maybe add pressure to actually solve the problem …. The current resolution is that charging at less than 1/2 the advertised rate is acceptable.
Computers have had software updates for decades. Tesla, Rivian and Lucid built vehicles around software, so it makes perfect sense that they understand how to do a software update "over the air". Legacy automakers are now seeing the importance of software in vehicles, so they are slowly getting onboard. This will improve over time. Until then, give them a minute to catch up. In all honesty, most EVs have bad software, but they are getting better. It takes time to develop performing OTA updates. It is better for the legacy manufacturers to take their time instead of rushing and creating updates that brick their products.
Ioniq 6 does not get true OTA updates. I believe is tied to the new Ccnc software system. That means Ev9, 2024 Kona, Ioniq 5N, and the forthcoming Ioniq 7.
The average lines of software code per vehicle doubled from 100 million in 2015 to 200 million in 2020, driven by wider adoption of electrified vehicle control and autonomous driving. GS Research believes that growth could accelerate in the next few years, with each car requiring as much as 650 million lines of code by 2025. This represents a different order of complexity compared with a typical smartphone operating system or fighter aircraft, with an average of around 20-40 million lines of code. If KIA copies this OTA capability to the EV6, the EV6 would be a serious Tesla competitor.
Drove a Kia EV6 for a year. When they started having AC charging issues I had 2 failures to charge. Their fix last year was to derate the charging. So not trusting they really fixed the issue I sold it and bought a model Y. Much better car.
Ford is actually pretty cool. I’ve had my Lightning for about a year and a half. There’s two different kinds of OTAs. Some require you to meet conditions and you can’t drive. The majority though, they download over cellular and install in the background. Pretty nice!
I think something like this will happen as well but I think that the things that they will keep updating is stuff like security, autopilot, EAP, FSD & improvements. They'll continue charging for acceleration boost, heated seats, eventually heated steering wheels, and they'll most likely introduce an app store within the next two years.
Well if they keep failing and worsen my car with updates they would have to pay me to keep my car updated in the future :D OTA always sounds so nice but Tesla taught me that there are two sides of the same coin.
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Our Volvo XC40 Recharge has had 3 updates in the year we’ve owned it. They stated some efficiency changes each time as well as adding Apple CarPlay.
All OTA while parked in our garage.
Each one did take about an hour or so.
It’s good to see more automakers doing this.
If only GM would make some simple software changes to my Bolt, I’m not holding my breathe.
13:46 don’t be confused, what you just described is “dealerships losing money”. And they don’t like that which is why we’ve seen dealerships fight EV’s for so long. They get paid to do this service. they make profit doing these services. They’ve actually have prevented some manufacturers from providing over the air updates in the past. They want you to come in so that they can get paid and they have an opportunity to upsell you something.
Like those $100+ cabin air filters.
Seriously???
Just dropped a 'thank you' note to Fort Collins Kia for working with you and doing this long term loaner. :)
Tytyty kind thought
I own the Genesis 2023 Electrified G80 as well as the 2024 Kia EV9 GT. Both vehicles received this update at the same time. Obviously, this update is for more than just the EV9. I have received several OTA updates for my Genesis since owning it for almost two years so Genesis/Kia/Hyundai OTA updates are ahead of most OEMs.
Thanks for sharing. I just hope this is the start of something great for Kia. They desperately need to address their dealership network’s sales and service standards. Hyundai/Kia do not stand up for customers to limit their dealers from vehicle markups, and lackluster service. Addressing these issues should be their biggest priority.
Not only that, when I did test drives on EV9, they seemed to know less than me about the car and lethargic about selling them.
@@rhuynh You're right. I had the same experience. I may be an EV enthusiast who does my homework, but I expect a dealer's sales and service team to know the vehicles on their lot better than I do. For example, how does an EV9 compete with a Rivian R1S, Tesla Model X, even a Kia Telluride on range, features, and capabilities (not just price)? If Kia is going to continue going upmarket they have to offer a better all round experience to compliment their vehicles.
My 2022 Volvo C40 Twin Motor recharge continues to be developed and software enhanced from the time I bought it in January 2022. The power of “connected car through quality software”. So far all of my OTAs have been installed in my home garage and taken only 15 minutes to install. There were two updates I landed up getting my local Volvo dealer to install which they happily did for me without any 🎭. Kyle - I was definitely influenced by your OOS podcast review of the Volvo C40. I pushed out my online order I believe in July 2021 it was, and I feel like it was around that time or right before you may have dropped your recording. 😀
My 2023 EV6 supports OTA updates (for infotainment) IF you have a certain tier of the Kia Connect subscription. Honestly, even when I was on my free trial of the top tier, the OTAs never hit my car because I don't have great Verizon reception at home and the updates are 35+ GB downloads. I just so the updates via USB.
If it's not infotainment, though, yeah, that's a trip to the dealer.
That's one big drawback compared to the tech startup companies like Rivian or Tesla. They're doing major upgrades and changes completely over the air - even things like new suspension and driving modes.
@@RealElectech Some people might not consider it a drawback. It's a much larger attack surface from a security perspective, for one. For another, Rivian all but bricked some people's trucks with a botched update and I'm pretty sure Tesla's track record isn't spotless either. I'm all for being on the bleeding edge and an early adopter, but I'm also careful when it comes to things that, ya know, can kill people.
Flying fast and loose with your changes is fine if it's just some software on your computer (move fast, break things, etc.), but I don't think that flies with something like motor vehicles. Tech people may criticize the "legacy" auto makers for not innovating fast enough, but that's because it's an industry where regulations are written in blood.
There was also a TSB released for this on Jan 25th so cars on the lots should have had it installed. the issue was that the logic to turn cooling on for at least one of the temperature sensors for high current AC charging did not account for really cold ambient temperatures (i.e. read the temperature as okay because the outside temperature was below 0F and the sensor is apparently not in the hottest spot when ambient temperature is low). First winter for the model so makes sense this didn't occur before January (even though ideally that should have been tested in a cold chamber)
Isn’t a similar problem happening to Francis VF8 when charging and getting a warning of battery temperature too high?
Hey Kyle, my EQS 580 has received a few OTA updates. One update was to show front camera view when making a turn. It’s rather dumb because your eyes should be looking forward when about to make a turn.
We need an OTA update to increase AC charging from 9.6kW to 11.5kW. Most EVs do 11kW.
2021 VW ID4 owner. I had to take the car into dealership to get the 3.1 update which made it OTA capable. Now I in a virtual line to get the next update. I got an email the first week of Dec 2023 saying the next update is ready. I have to wait for another email/notification to tell me when I can do this OTA. So clunky. Its now Feb 13th , 2+ months and still waiting.
Virtual line? Are they worried about too many users connecting at the same time? Weird.
Virtual line? Are they worried about too many users connecting at the same time? Weird. Don't know why this was posted twice.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 should’ve purchased a Tesla dummy
@@benhillard919 who knows and there is no view on where you are at in this line. it seems random. some owner got the email weeks after i did and got the 2nd email shortly after..
So the charging issue it not for when you are out at a DC fast charger it's for the home charging performance.
I had to take my 18 Leaf to the dealership for an update and now the E-pedel doesn't say on, you have to turn it on whenever you turn the car on.
Does the Ioniq 6 support true OTA? Hyundai is still telling people to go to the dealer. Service Campaign 9A1: VCU Update for IONIQ 5 (NE1) & IONIQ 6 (CE1)
Cheers Francie and Kyle
With NEW discount the Tesla Model Y is $27,000 cheaper than in 2022
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I waited to July 2023 and I knew it would get even cheaper but I just couldn't wait. It's down another $4000 since I got mine.
2 years later and all updates and our Ioniq 5 still de-rates to 5.5kw after ~1 hour. Would love to have some out of spec outlet mention this at some point and maybe add pressure to actually solve the problem …. The current resolution is that charging at less than 1/2 the advertised rate is acceptable.
Computers have had software updates for decades. Tesla, Rivian and Lucid built vehicles around software, so it makes perfect sense that they understand how to do a software update "over the air". Legacy automakers are now seeing the importance of software in vehicles, so they are slowly getting onboard. This will improve over time. Until then, give them a minute to catch up. In all honesty, most EVs have bad software, but they are getting better. It takes time to develop performing OTA updates. It is better for the legacy manufacturers to take their time instead of rushing and creating updates that brick their products.
I believe Volvo does OTA updates.
F11 on your keyboard is your friend, this goes into full screen mode Kyle 😊
Rivian has a update once a month.
He said that in the video.
I saw that. But at the first that's not what he said.@@TJPavey
Ioniq 6 does not get true OTA updates. I believe is tied to the new Ccnc software system. That means Ev9, 2024 Kona, Ioniq 5N, and the forthcoming Ioniq 7.
Maybe true for the next model year.
I picked up my Kia Niro EV (top trim) at september 2023 and had 2 OTA updates so far
Hardware suppliers move slow. They all have to align for proper OTA.
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The average lines of software code per vehicle doubled from 100 million in 2015 to 200 million in 2020, driven by wider adoption of electrified vehicle control and autonomous driving. GS Research believes that growth could accelerate in the next few years, with each car requiring as much as 650 million lines of code by 2025. This represents a different order of complexity compared with a typical smartphone operating system or fighter aircraft, with an average of around 20-40 million lines of code.
If KIA copies this OTA capability to the EV6, the EV6 would be a serious Tesla competitor.
Kia EV9 is good
Wouldnt it be nice if the car came with no reason for software updates!
Software is hard.
No. Software updates have provided functionality to my Tesla that nobody ever expected, not even Tesla.
Good afternoon
Drove a Kia EV6 for a year. When they started having AC charging issues I had 2 failures to charge. Their fix last year was to derate the charging. So not trusting they really fixed the issue I sold it and bought a model Y. Much better car.
When we got our 2022 Ioniq 5, Hyundai Canada touted OTA updates, but we're still visiting the dealership and using USB sticks to do updates.
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Like Volvo, Polestar also does OTA's. Usually on a every two month cycle for Polestar 2.
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Ford is actually pretty cool. I’ve had my Lightning for about a year and a half. There’s two different kinds of OTAs. Some require you to meet conditions and you can’t drive. The majority though, they download over cellular and install in the background. Pretty nice!
Kyle is wrong again regarding the Ioniq5, as the Ioniq5 does have OTA updates. sheesh. he should do more research or something.
Only for navigation and infotainment. Not for drivetrain or battery management.
2:15 “small UA-cam channel” of 10^5 subscribers.
Compared to heavyweights like MKBHD or Doug DeMuro, yes it's small.
Tesla fart mode lol
I wish the Ioniq 5 had this instead of needing to keep bringing it to the dealer. Software sucks on it
You know that Tesla will start charging for updates, it's just a matter of time.
I think something like this will happen as well but I think that the things that they will keep updating is stuff like security, autopilot, EAP, FSD & improvements.
They'll continue charging for acceleration boost, heated seats, eventually heated steering wheels, and they'll most likely introduce an app store within the next two years.
Well if they keep failing and worsen my car with updates they would have to pay me to keep my car updated in the future :D OTA always sounds so nice but Tesla taught me that there are two sides of the same coin.
Tesla is the future get used to it
ua-cam.com/video/quOt-1_zstg/v-deo.htmlsi=yjPsONjd8biUpzwB&t=993 I love your channel, but don't get it twisted, you are not a consumer! You are an advertiser right now. No matter how impartial you are trying to be, you got the car as trade. On-air mentions for ownership. I am a ev9 owner and want to follow your journey, but don't call yourself a consumer. You are an advertiser.