I'm old enough to remember when the Internet was new that open source communities were available to fix and update bugs much faster than individual patent holders, leading to better quality results. Time really is a flat circle lol
Nature tends to code in self destructs to things that fail to yield development. We are not gods, and are slaves to the code the same as any other thing in this universe.
@@rileyh4169 You can speak for yourself... The bans on UA-cam, IG, Facebook, Twitter is about 1000 times more aggressive than Chinese Platform. Right now, Tik Tokers fled to another app but guess what? If you so much mention app name in Comment, YT will delete your comment. "Freedom of Speech" eh... it's about as real as Freedom in America which is NOTHING but an Illusion!!!
China just proved that these tech Masters of the universe are not all that bright, not all that efficient, and are way over compensated for what they actually deliver on.
Richard Wolff would say no major US corp makes money. They use negative externalities to dump major costs onto the state. If they had to pay for everything they would all be in the red. And let’s not even get into Corp taxes. They are all scams.
It's easy to make profit when you pay for everything with the working class' tax money via gov't contracts/subsidies. They then use a small amount of that money on the product and pocket the majority, leading to a bad product This is how the majority of the wealth transfer is happening.
Great idea, let's put more of their technology into our vital infrastructure. What could go wrong? Just because TP-Link routers were recently found with malware installed in the firmware from their factories.. don't be paranoid, buy more stuff!!!
This is an exaggeration. Nobody would have any of these models without OpenAI first demonstrating the power of LLMs. It is infinitely harder to have the initial breakthrough than to improve and optimize a known technology. Take it from a professional research academic in math.
@@geometerfpv2804maybe he invested a lot in those companoes thinking he could be part of some rich subjegation team and now he has to put up with the fact that AI is for everyone?
If you think the tech companies are screwing us over, wait until you look at housing/infrastructure, medicine, solar, vehicle manufacturers etc vs Chinese companies. This is the real reason we’ve banned nearly all these superior and cheaper products under “national security”.
@@Paul__108__ I am not sure that I understand you. He said that the cost was a 100 times less, refering to the 5.5 million compared to the 5 billion that OpenAi spends.
I make the same kind of mistake when speaking French, Italian, Hindi. I'll even make stupider mistakes: I'll replace words that sound similar (even wildly different words). I'll replace words with words i learned on the same day even. And then the stress of public performance, darn, I'd not be as good as this guy.
The Chinese athletes, including especially swimmers, get busted for steroids all the time lmao. They can't help but copy the Soviet strategy. Just look up "Chinese olympic steroid scandal" if anyone is curious. Lot's of reading material there.
Exactly. There is no such thing as meritocracy, as preached to US citizens by their (US) greedy politicians. The vast inequality in the US, and all countries that have an economic model like the US proves this.
To the ‘cheating’ question, There are literally UA-cam videos of people following the DeepSeek methodology (in very minor and limited ways since they don’t have $6M to do a full training on a full ‘frontier/base’ model) and they are getting results that strongly indicate this is the real deal.
Fact that if you asked it what it was, DeepSeek itself would state "ChatGPT Model..." also hints that the data used for training was similar to ChatGPT, and likely used ChatGPT itself during the training; the "humanese" aspect that was supposed to be OpenAI's secret sauce likely distilled from ChatGPT itself and amplified for DeepSeek.
@@Modzybear Good! Between the massive backfire of the TikTok ban with Americans switching to RedNote and Silicon Valley oligarchs getting their asses handed to them, this year is off to an amazing start! I love seeing the empire get its teeth punched in. How else will the oligarchy learn to quit being the world's bully?
@@Modzybear I don't think that's in question. This is not about 'Models', this is about training and fine tuning. Of course they used a 'base' model. they literally list the various different ones they use for the different 'distilled' models. IIRC it's mostly Meta's opensourced models they used as base models for training and fine tuning. The advancement is int their algorithms and training procedures *which they document in detail to go along with the open sourcing of their finetuned models and weights (procedures and weights being what other companies don't opensource, thus leaving most companies with no options but to rely on the 'foundation model' owners and their licensing restrictions. This is just the same old story of Open source vs Closed Source. Barring a major breakthrough by someone like OpenAI (Altman is BSing about AGI, he's a snake and a businessman, not an AI genius) will have to offer a lot of 'value added services' to stay in business. Any opensource project that works as good closed source and performs a useful business service (Internet servers, databases, message queuing, and a million other programming libraries, hell, even the Internet itself ... dial up & Datapac vs TCPIP * HTML,) have been adopted by 'standards' committees and freely accessible and modifiable by anyone with the willingness to do it. Now, until there is a some major 'intelligence' breakthroughs (not really likely, but I guess, there's still some small chance of some unexpected 'emergent properties' being discovered and exploited to bring about 'real'intelligence) then the business opportunities will be on making practical use of the 'AI' that exists ... but even if your want to pin your hope on real AI being discovered by 'America' and putting you in the lead again, the DeepSeek will probably be the tool that will be used to help discover the next major 'leap'! This is not a bad thing ... a bad thing would have been to not open source it and use the increased efficiency to take away the AI market with little chance of an easy or early recovery, and no access to the Chinese technology ... like the OpenAI would have done, and Trump would have forced on Meta, had the roles been reversed.
@@Ricer-b4n I knew someone is delusioned to compare democracy with technology. Tech is universal! It does not matter who makes it, but we will all access it. Think outside the box sometimes!
@@destiny_calls2342 U must be the typical copycat commie. You have no respect for others intellectual properties. You just take take take cuz you think others hardwork and property belongs to you and everyone else. You should come to America and join our democrat party. But keep in mind, if you take their stuff, they'll cancel and deport you the way the ccp would if you stole the tech they actually spend money on developing.
Why do we think we can limit technological growth in China? This is the thinking of grade school children. China leads the US in 45 out of 52 important metrics when it comes to mathematics, robotics, technical, sciences, general education, etc. Unless you fix the problem (shorten those gaps), you'll never catch up. Ever!
Exactly. All of these US tech bros think they can continue to get cheap labor from India into infinity. If things continue as it is, those people will begin to ask for top dollar if they bother to come to the US at all. Leaving the US with a bunch of poorly educated people who lack the ability to compete with the rest of the world.
Kind regards, I just looked this up and found a study where China was leading in 57 out of 64 tech sectors. Was this same study to which you refer or is there another one? Have a nice day.
China is a gigantic population bubble that verifiably lies about their social metrics. The only thing catching up with China is the unsustainability of it's governement.
I just went to their site. It says, "Due to large-scale malicious attacks on DeepSeek's services, registration may be busy. Please wait and try again. Registered users can log in normally. Thank you for your understanding and support." Apparently the Tech Bros are attacking it.
@@leighz1962they’ve all been sharing. Open AI was built off the code Microsoft built. Deepseek is doing what ever other company in their space did, just cheaper and better
So America’s Tech Giants rinse the country again! Who would’ve thought? I just think how much energy the US is wasting, with the planet paying the price. All to add to the tech giants wealth.
@orwellianyoutube8978I doubt it’s actual socialism as opposed to long term strategic positioning being done by a faction gunning to dethrone the current global hegemony There are clear strategic values in the long term to what people in China are doing right now I’m not saying they’re good/bad (that very much remains to be seen in the next decade or so), just that there’s a clear gain motive
@@csharpe5787 youre both right, many of the smartest people are working for wall street, but many of the top dog positions on wall street are given via nepotism.
How could this be possible?! I had been told that replacing all the programmers with Indians on H1Bs was providing the world’s best talent! Now I’m hearing the product is significantly inferior at a slower pace and more expensive? That just can’t be right
Marjority of H1B visa holders in the tech sector are chinese and indian. If US companies dont employ them then they stay home and do what they would have done in the US (ie great engineering work). India does not have the hardware resources to compete with the US in the AI space but China does and that is why the vast majority of open source AI projects are coming out of China. The problem the US has always had (since long before WWII) is they dont produce enough engineers. Vivek Ramaswamy (who I dislike) tried to point that out, but he was roundly ridiculed by both the Left and Right in the US. To put it in context, China produces 3X as many home grown STEM graduates each year than the US does. So even if they have less money to throw around, they can often get things done faster and cheaper because they simply have more adequately skilled humans availale to work on each problem.
@@IvarDaigon As of a couple years ago Iran was producing more female STEM graduates as the U.S. was native born STEM graduates. China produces over 3,100,000 STEM graduates a year, the US ~800k, half native born. No definitive data source out there.
@IvarDaigonyet Majority of h1b recipients are indians. In 2020, 80% were Indians and only 12%were Chinese. It's safe to assume that since then, with the crackdown on Chinese scientists and students numbers of Chinese h1b recipients only went down and Indians grew. Cost of deepseek training is only $6ml. India definitely has more than enough financial and computing resources to compete. Moreover, unlike China, India is not sanctioned and they can buy latest nvidia gpus. What they lack is the talent and the ecosystem. There is no use of enormous population if the majority is uneducated and unintelligent. 25% of Indians are illiterate, average country's IQ is 75 which is very close to retardation level iq below 70. On the other hand China has one of the highest average IQ 104, top 5 in the World. China is truly blessed with the population, disciplined, hardworking, and intelligent.
China is like Cuba in a way. There were unable to get chips they "needed" so they came up with another way. Similar to Cuba not getting US cars so they all became mechanics
Or maybe, just maybe, China is lying about one of their crappy knock-off products once again? I've been working with DeepSeek all morning trying to see how it matches up against ChatGPT and Claude and, at least in the areas I care about (mostly writing), it doesn't come close to the premium versions of either of those AI programs.
Why should I care that China may become more dominant in AI if oligarchs in my own country will use this technology to take away my ability to earn? I’m curious what my buy in is to supporting this technology. Perhaps as a working class American, I should be rooting for China
Exactly - US citizens have been so brainwashed about globalisation, and don’t get me started about china. They are kicking the US on almost every positive / progressive stat
If China takes us over w/ their better AI, you will likely be worse off. Just guessing. If they treat their own people poorly, imagine how they will treat us.
Yes. 5 billion is a 1000 times more than 5 million. I assume he misspoke as he struggles a little with spoken English. His writing is very fluent in English.
@@randygraham926those people complaining about his accent: can they speak a second language? And yes, much of the non-anglo world writes English BETTER than anglos!
wow - that's 2 gold medals in a row for US to be paying the most and getting medicore results at best - first healthcare and now AI. GO TEAM GREED!!!!!
This is the exact concept that Neil Degrasse Tyson was trying to explain about Elon/ private companies vs NASA and all the right wingers cried about it. I’m not endorsing communism. Simply highlighting that these stories put the faults of capitalism front and center.
@@deez3913 No, China being able to compete in AI at a fraction of the price is what I’m highlighting. I mentioned NASA because it’s a government agency.
Efforts to hinder China's development have consistently fallen short. When you examine China today, it has surpassed the United States across nearly all key metrics-economic growth, advancements in artificial intelligence, military capabilities, and more. Notably, the U.S. strategy of weaponizing the dollar is accelerating the decline of its global dominance, signaling the end of an era. China's rise underscores a significant shift in the global balance of power.
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Something else to consider, the yearly tuition cost in China for public universities is $100-1,400 compared to $10,000/ year in the U.S. Average pay in China is $49,000/ year versus $58,000/ year in the U.S.
China's average pay is completely wrong. It should be much lower. Try median pay instead of average. The median income is $3800 USD per year. So at least half of China's population earns $3800 USD or less annually! That's 700 million people, twice of USA's population roughly.
@ The median income in China is 26,800 yuan($3,700) A MONTH, $44,400 a year. For the U.S. it was $42,200 in 2023. More people can afford to go to college and get a STEM degree over there.
Don’t go on red note ( Chinese app) unless you want to see how more advanced China is in ALOT of industries….how much better their citizens live…even the poor areas ..smh
@@nelsonhamilton8262 Unfortunately for them, their empty/tofu dreg/both buildings also have to be tallied up somewhere! They really ought to be getting something done considering the limited scope of their military deployment and/or investment...
I like how they're blaming the open source model as helping the Chinese company when the US companies had access to the same information, more hardware, and more money. Maybe the company leadership needs to figure out why they're not nimble anymore due to bureaucratic overhead and priorities.
If AI steals everyone’s job, then who will be able to afford AI? How can a business model survive if its goal is to minimize its consumers/revenue potential?
A friend of mine was a mathematics PhD from Oxford. At the time he graduated at least, the top graduates went into academia and pure research, the lower tiers went to The City and Wall Street.
Yup and you know why patents exist right!!!!! Patents that companies just sit on forever while gobbling up smaller companies!!!! Also Teslas as in the real Nikola Teslas patents never to see the light of day!!!! Its anti consumer practices!!! especially when you hoarde the patents or only keep the patents in some shady vault
@@JasonLave It's like someone claiming to be better because they invented basketball but get completely wrecked in sports b/c someone else dominates in the sport and becomes multimillionaire super star. Do you even know who invented it? Most people don't but they do know Lebron James. It matters more who can utilize something not invention. China learned that hard way about guns when the Europeans visited them in 19th century despite inventing gunpowder.
Last night my kids were fighting. I used deepseek to find ways to help them get along. It said to havw a jar they fill with marbles when they solve a problem together. Once full buy them something. I also asked how to get my son to be more positive. It told me to encourage and whwt to read about anger.
@stevemiller6053 And even with that bad mic he’s on here and everyone is watching and listening and you’re with a better mic but on the comment section.
Asking AI questions like Tian An Men Square or Gaza is pointless and makes little sense. Those questions have nothing to do with “intelligence”, but have everything to do with people’s conscience, moral, and political standing.
You are basically invalidating the entire practice of history by saying it only is "people’s conscience, moral, and political standing." If history happened than it is truth - and the AI's ability to recite the truth directly correlates with it's use as intelligence.
@Irish_Goodbye_Guy DEI, Trans, Gender Spectrum research, 2 Spirit, Timmy has 2 maybe 3 daddies and the like. In this very important area US reigns supreme and China will NEVER EVER catch up and that's why the Chinese have to focus on boring STEM.
The US produces about 440000 STEM graduates each year compared to China's 4.7 to 5 million. There is no long term scenario where the US wins out in the science and technology arena. The Chinese are accumulating 40 to 50 million Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics graduates every ten years while the US is producing 4 to 5 million with many being siphoned to other sectors of the economy. It's not just in AI that the Chinese are trying to dominate. Because the Chinese have so many STEM graduates they are in literally every sector of their manufacturing base modernizing everything. The US is falling behind far more and faster than most Americans are aware. The US could concentrate in a few limited areas like AI which is critical and could stay number one for a few years. In the next twenty years the Chinese will add 100 million STEM graduates to the US 10 million.
There are more honor students in China than there are students overall in the US. This will always be an uphill battle not for China but for the US. They have the talent and the discipline. Our only hope is to open the door to more international honor students.
How many American developers are rendered unemployable by 35,? How about hiring them along with the STEM graduates we already have that can't get work in their own field of study?
Why is American technology slowly declining? ? Because there are too many Indian natives in the United States. When it comes to technology, Indians only exaggerate their abilities and brag seriously. In fact, they have no ability at all. Hahahaha
It’s really important that one country doesn’t control AI. It’s important China has it too. Just because the US is a democracy today, it doesn’t mean it will be tomorrow.
Same, so I had to turn on the CC. He's much more articulate and easy to understand when you read his tweets. But the mic and his accent made him really hard to understand here, which is unfortunate.
The comparison between openai’s 5B$/year and deepseek $5m is a bit misleading because the five million was merely training cost without including inference and hosting which is actually the major part of running AIs . Openai has 500 million monthly active users and all those requests have to served by huge clusters which take up most of the AI costs. Training is just the initial part of it
More accurate comparison would be gpt 4 training run which is estimated to have costed around 100-150M$ and what deepseek did was to find ways to train their model efficiently with some significant breakthroughs. Credit where credit is due this is insane cost reduction but nowhere near the 1000x number that people are claiming it to be.
It should be poited out that despite the very impressive results from Deepseek R1, it's method is simple enough that any of these well funded American companies will quickly be able to replicate the results. As he points out, it was the lack of resources that inspired an different approach, and that happened to work surprisingly well, surprising even to the team that made it. It's more of a serendipitous discovery than it is an unprecedented insight (not to less the achievement, which is still remarkable). I find the crash in Nvidia stock to be short sighted. These results suggest that more productiveity is possible per unit of compute, which means that each unit of compute can create more value, which from an economic perspective will only increase the demand for compute.
This is exactly what I wanted to see, decent models that can be run natively on consumer devices. US tech had no incentive to research and proliferate these previously when they thought they could become monopolists by keeping things in a SaaS business model but now (hopefully), this breaks that ambition and allows for a wilder environment.
I beg you to approach the AI conversation with the possibility that what you are seeing is another of enslavement. What they are is far too complex and nuanced to be labeled as either artificial or tools.
@@traviscutler9912your smug sense of superiority and misplaced arrogance is the perfect example of why I despise Euros and believe we should leave NATO. You would be begging for our help if Russia rolled into your neighborhood. You wouldn’t deserve our help.
As a software engineer (who does not specialize in AI) open source is generally better/preferred by everybody in industry in all but 1 case......money... It doesn't make money - pretty much at all. Essentially every software product uses some open source software, usually in production, but maybe only to develop. So it really makes the world go round. And a decent number of users/developers contribute bug fixes and enhancements and features and what-have-you back to open source projects as thanks for using them - but that's for FREE. It's done to be decent. That does not pay our bills - ever. There's very very little money in open source software. So it is not surprising at all that OpenAI is keeping it closed. There is certainly some money to be made there, but by-and-large there isn't. 99% of us rely on writing closed source software (or open source software for a company) to put food on the table. The other aspect is that since it's free, sometimes the quality of said software is....free.... But there are still TONS of open source projects and tools that are in use by nearly all of the industry every day. Anyway, I hope they were lying about the processor usage, because I need Nvidia stock to go back up. But other than that, an open source alternative to OpenAI is preferred by all in the space.
what the hell do they think will happen - that the US big tech companies will not take the R1 as a template, replicate it and use the insane amount of compute available to them
Not really, given that the source code is available and well documented, thus can be replicated. They even have a guide on how to train it the way they did.
Anyone who takes what China says at face value is naive. They “exaggerate” a lot, whether it’s gdp growth figures, demographic information or something as petty as the percentage of population that identify as Han. All I’m saying is I doubt that Deep Seek being down the moment it launched is a coincidence.
I'm old enough to remember when the Internet was new that open source communities were available to fix and update bugs much faster than individual patent holders, leading to better quality results. Time really is a flat circle lol
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Me too lol
The beauty of Open Source dev is that no one is telling the devs "no".
Underrated statement for sure
Nature tends to code in self destructs to things that fail to yield development. We are not gods, and are slaves to the code the same as any other thing in this universe.
AI controlled by a few billionaires is dangerous to mankind. Open source is a gift to humanity.
remember that when the state wants to control the AI to "protect" us
Even worse is when 3/4 have expressed Jewish supremist sentiment
Until you ask it who Whinny the Pooh is
@@rileyh4169 You can speak for yourself... The bans on UA-cam, IG, Facebook, Twitter is about 1000 times more aggressive than Chinese Platform.
Right now, Tik Tokers fled to another app but guess what? If you so much mention app name in Comment, YT will delete your comment.
"Freedom of Speech" eh... it's about as real as Freedom in America which is NOTHING but an Illusion!!!
They are living happily unlike your country
China just proved that these tech Masters of the universe are not all that bright, not all that efficient, and are way over compensated for what they actually deliver on.
China is 50 years behind us pal
Or that it's easy to trick investors.
@@amac6624they literally just built a miniature sun but their behind 🙄
That's why you need a tarrif war to survive your own market😂😂@@amac6624
@@amac6624no they’re not lol.
As anyone who has worked in corporate America can tell you, we are unbelievably inefficient and wasteful. It's a wonder companies make any profit.
Just like the military industrial complex
That’s why corporations consider stock growth over profit more and more.
Richard Wolff would say no major US corp makes money. They use negative externalities to dump major costs onto the state. If they had to pay for everything they would all be in the red. And let’s not even get into Corp taxes. They are all scams.
And that's why DOGE became a thing. For example, there's the $300m pier US-built pier outside of Gaza that fell apart in a week.
It's easy to make profit when you pay for everything with the working class' tax money via gov't contracts/subsidies. They then use a small amount of that money on the product and pocket the majority, leading to a bad product
This is how the majority of the wealth transfer is happening.
Competition benefits consumers. I see this as a good thing. Open Source means anyone can run it on their own servers.
Not only run, but if you have the coding chops, you can customize it just the way you like it.
It is time to allow chinese EVs into the country.
Except the Tech oligarchs want competition that benefits them only! Not the consumer!
This is a very good thing if you like free markets
Great idea, let's put more of their technology into our vital infrastructure. What could go wrong? Just because TP-Link routers were recently found with malware installed in the firmware from their factories.. don't be paranoid, buy more stuff!!!
With the Chinese Deepseek AI, we just realize how deep we were scammed by the American AI cartel.
They most likely stole a lot of the tech behind it.
This is an exaggeration. Nobody would have any of these models without OpenAI first demonstrating the power of LLMs. It is infinitely harder to have the initial breakthrough than to improve and optimize a known technology. Take it from a professional research academic in math.
@@geometerfpv2804this. Also, if China says they have something to good to be true . . . . Take it with a grain of salt.
@@geometerfpv2804maybe he invested a lot in those companoes thinking he could be part of some rich subjegation team and now he has to put up with the fact that AI is for everyone?
If you think the tech companies are screwing us over, wait until you look at housing/infrastructure, medicine, solar, vehicle manufacturers etc vs Chinese companies. This is the real reason we’ve banned nearly all these superior and cheaper products under “national security”.
That would be a 1000 times less money spent, not a 100 times.
Math is hard, bruh 🤠
It’s properly expressed as a fraction. For 1/10th of the cost, one millionth of the cost, etc.
@@Paul__108__ I am not sure that I understand you. He said that the cost was a 100 times less, refering to the 5.5 million compared to the 5 billion that OpenAi spends.
speaking of why China outperforms America ....
I make the same kind of mistake when speaking French, Italian, Hindi. I'll even make stupider mistakes: I'll replace words that sound similar (even wildly different words). I'll replace words with words i learned on the same day even. And then the stress of public performance, darn, I'd not be as good as this guy.
This is like the Olympics, where you used steroids, didn't get tested and still lost to the Chinese Swimmer.
This show is clearly meant for promoting Krystal Ball derangement syndrome and her deranged ideas.
The Chinese athletes, including especially swimmers, get busted for steroids all the time lmao. They can't help but copy the Soviet strategy. Just look up "Chinese olympic steroid scandal" if anyone is curious. Lot's of reading material there.
Exactly. There is no such thing as meritocracy, as preached to US citizens by their (US) greedy politicians. The vast inequality in the US, and all countries that have an economic model like the US proves this.
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Cause the Chinese don’t cheat and steal ??! 😂
Open Source is the only way. This kind of thing is too powerful to let the control be centralized.
Agreed, but stateists will want to centralize it to "protect" us
To the ‘cheating’ question, There are literally UA-cam videos of people following the DeepSeek methodology (in very minor and limited ways since they don’t have $6M to do a full training on a full ‘frontier/base’ model) and they are getting results that strongly indicate this is the real deal.
Fact that if you asked it what it was, DeepSeek itself would state "ChatGPT Model..." also hints that the data used for training was similar to ChatGPT, and likely used ChatGPT itself during the training; the "humanese" aspect that was supposed to be OpenAI's secret sauce likely distilled from ChatGPT itself and amplified for DeepSeek.
@@Modzybear Good! Between the massive backfire of the TikTok ban with Americans switching to RedNote and Silicon Valley oligarchs getting their asses handed to them, this year is off to an amazing start! I love seeing the empire get its teeth punched in. How else will the oligarchy learn to quit being the world's bully?
@@Modzybear I don't think that's in question. This is not about 'Models', this is about training and fine tuning. Of course they used a 'base' model. they literally list the various different ones they use for the different 'distilled' models.
IIRC it's mostly Meta's opensourced models they used as base models for training and fine tuning.
The advancement is int their algorithms and training procedures *which they document in detail to go along with the open sourcing of their finetuned models and weights (procedures and weights being what other companies don't opensource, thus leaving most companies with no options but to rely on the 'foundation model' owners and their licensing restrictions.
This is just the same old story of Open source vs Closed Source.
Barring a major breakthrough by someone like OpenAI (Altman is BSing about AGI, he's a snake and a businessman, not an AI genius) will have to offer a lot of 'value added services' to stay in business.
Any opensource project that works as good closed source and performs a useful business service (Internet servers, databases, message queuing, and a million other programming libraries, hell, even the Internet itself ... dial up & Datapac vs TCPIP * HTML,) have been adopted by 'standards' committees and freely accessible and modifiable by anyone with the willingness to do it.
Now, until there is a some major 'intelligence' breakthroughs (not really likely, but I guess, there's still some small chance of some unexpected 'emergent properties' being discovered and exploited to bring about 'real'intelligence) then the business opportunities will be on making practical use of the 'AI' that exists ... but even if your want to pin your hope on real AI being discovered by 'America' and putting you in the lead again, the DeepSeek will probably be the tool that will be used to help discover the next major 'leap'!
This is not a bad thing ... a bad thing would have been to not open source it and use the increased efficiency to take away the AI market with little chance of an easy or early recovery, and no access to the Chinese technology ... like the OpenAI would have done, and Trump would have forced on Meta, had the roles been reversed.
It's been confirmed by the silicon valley themselves that the model works, the algorithm works.
@@Modzybear this is a example of data set poisoning by ChatGPT content
The best way to win a war is to defeat the enemy without fighting - Sun Tzu
That’s Mark Twain.
I love it!!! So sick of the greed in our country
Stop voting for it then
Try searching for topics China don't agree with and see much you're willing to pay to get back to the greedy American brands..
@@Ricer-b4n I knew someone is delusioned to compare democracy with technology. Tech is universal! It does not matter who makes it, but we will all access it. Think outside the box sometimes!
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U must be the typical copycat commie. You have no respect for others intellectual properties. You just take take take cuz you think others hardwork and property belongs to you and everyone else. You should come to America and join our democrat party. But keep in mind, if you take their stuff, they'll cancel and deport you the way the ccp would if you stole the tech they actually spend money on developing.
@@destiny_calls2342 What makes you think "tech is universal?" What lol?
These billionaires should check their greed first. They caused their own problems
They can't...they live in America, the land of the scam and the hustle. It will never change.
Why do we think we can limit technological growth in China? This is the thinking of grade school children. China leads the US in 45 out of 52 important metrics when it comes to mathematics, robotics, technical, sciences, general education, etc. Unless you fix the problem (shorten those gaps), you'll never catch up. Ever!
Exactly. All of these US tech bros think they can continue to get cheap labor from India into infinity. If things continue as it is, those people will begin to ask for top dollar if they bother to come to the US at all. Leaving the US with a bunch of poorly educated people who lack the ability to compete with the rest of the world.
Kind regards, I just looked this up and found a study where China was leading in 57 out of 64 tech sectors. Was this same study to which you refer or is there another one? Have a nice day.
HE HE YOU GOT THAT RIGHT .................. AND THAN SOME HE HE !
China is a gigantic population bubble that verifiably lies about their social metrics. The only thing catching up with China is the unsustainability of it's governement.
Well the current administration’s planning to shut down the Department of Education so I’m SURE we’ll see things improve….
I just went to their site. It says, "Due to large-scale malicious attacks on DeepSeek's services, registration may be busy. Please wait and try again. Registered users can log in normally. Thank you for your understanding and support." Apparently the Tech Bros are attacking it.
Or maybe their infrastructure is not as robust and efficient as they claim... Wouldn't be the first time
Tech and/or NSA ..... The Tech Bros lost a trillion dollars today in the Stock MArket .... not happy campers. 🤣
It doesn't matter, its open source. People can just republish it wherever they want to.
The genie is out of the bottle, they lost.
$5 million DeepSeek used when ChatGPT spent 10 billion.
In USA AI is just a Wall Street bubble, in China enormous industrial applications.
Being a copy pasta is a lot easier than developing something to be copied.
@@leighz1962 If you are happy, congrats
@@leighz1962 ur IQ?
@@leighz1962they’ve all been sharing. Open AI was built off the code Microsoft built. Deepseek is doing what ever other company in their space did, just cheaper and better
@@leighz1962 check the G6 fighter and G6 Wifi
So America’s Tech Giants rinse the country again! Who would’ve thought? I just think how much energy the US is wasting, with the planet paying the price. All to add to the tech giants wealth.
"THE CHINESE BUIILT THIS IN A CAVE!!!... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!!" - OpenAI probably
U IRONMANNED IT
Indian guy : but sir I'm not Chinese
@@arunanarina1316啊、和印度人有什么关系？😮
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Deepseek distilled existing OpenAI models
OpenAI= closed Ai
Deepseek= open for the world for free
Capitalist greed vs socialist sharing is caring.
@orwellianyoutube8978I doubt it’s actual socialism as opposed to long term strategic positioning being done by a faction gunning to dethrone the current global hegemony
There are clear strategic values in the long term to what people in China are doing right now
I’m not saying they’re good/bad (that very much remains to be seen in the next decade or so), just that there’s a clear gain motive
Wow.. look at that... capitalism didn't encourage innovation.. what a surprise 🙄
....you realize that China stopped being Communist in the 1980's, right? They have even less social safety net than Americans do.
I think you mistake capitalism with corporatism
You think we live in a capitalistic society? Bless your heart
It’s corporate socialism not capitalism.
@@ThomasBrenton-pk8gg capitalism leads to corporatism, corporatism is the end state.
Hallelujah..what a humbling day for entire US tech market
This is what happens when the brightest math and physics PhDs end up working for Wall Street
Do you really think that the brightest I doubt it a lot of the time they’re just connected?
@@csharpe5787 youre both right, many of the smartest people are working for wall street, but many of the top dog positions on wall street are given via nepotism.
That's definitely part of the problem
Or get straight up thrown on the street as an idiot who got duped into taking out a school loan and financially trashed.
@@csharpe5787quants aren’t bankers but they’re still poser of Wall Street
Open AI shown up by an actual Open AI... oh the irony
Happy Chinese New Year. It is free for everyone.
tech oligarchs when they cant have a monopoly on a service 🤯🤯🤯😱
don't worry, stateists will find a way
I guess we'll be banning this next. 😂
Considering the damage to congresses stock portfolios happening right now (look at NVDA stock) thats a guarantee
National security for sure haha
Nvidia stock almost doubled in the last year. Down 16% in the last week.
but is too late because the world knows so Meta, and others companies are screwed the can banned in the rest of the world
Trump will be so pissed!
How could this be possible?! I had been told that replacing all the programmers with Indians on H1Bs was providing the world’s best talent! Now I’m hearing the product is significantly inferior at a slower pace and more expensive? That just can’t be right
Marjority of H1B visa holders in the tech sector are chinese and indian. If US companies dont employ them then they stay home and do what they would have done in the US (ie great engineering work). India does not have the hardware resources to compete with the US in the AI space but China does and that is why the vast majority of open source AI projects are coming out of China.
The problem the US has always had (since long before WWII) is they dont produce enough engineers. Vivek Ramaswamy (who I dislike) tried to point that out, but he was roundly ridiculed by both the Left and Right in the US.
To put it in context, China produces 3X as many home grown STEM graduates each year than the US does. So even if they have less money to throw around, they can often get things done faster and cheaper because they simply have more adequately skilled humans availale to work on each problem.
You know Chinese immigrants make up a huge portion of the US AI companies’ labor force, right?
@@IvarDaigon As of a couple years ago Iran was producing more female STEM graduates as the U.S. was native born STEM graduates. China produces over 3,100,000 STEM graduates a year, the US ~800k, half native born. No definitive data source out there.
@@IvarDaigonyet we have tons of cs graduates who can’t find a job
@IvarDaigonyet Majority of h1b recipients are indians. In 2020, 80% were Indians and only 12%were Chinese. It's safe to assume that since then, with the crackdown on Chinese scientists and students numbers of Chinese h1b recipients only went down and Indians grew.
Cost of deepseek training is only $6ml. India definitely has more than enough financial and computing resources to compete. Moreover, unlike China, India is not sanctioned and they can buy latest nvidia gpus. What they lack is the talent and the ecosystem. There is no use of enormous population if the majority is uneducated and unintelligent. 25% of Indians are illiterate, average country's IQ is 75 which is very close to retardation level iq below 70. On the other hand China has one of the highest average IQ 104, top 5 in the World. China is truly blessed with the population, disciplined, hardworking, and intelligent.
China is like Cuba in a way. There were unable to get chips they "needed" so they came up with another way. Similar to Cuba not getting US cars so they all became mechanics
Not quite. I admire cuban' s resilience. But China`s capacity is many times stronger. China is on way to surpass US across board
@@stevenhuang4193 GOOD
One fun fact: a month ago, OpenAI banned all Chinese usage, even they were license before .
this sounds so funny now
The obscene greed funneling money into CEO pay etc hurts the competitiveness of US companies.
Their point on intelligent graduates going into finance instead of innovation is spot on. Capitalist Realism will be our downfall.
I can make my own AI stuff now 😮 I’m so proud of China
May be, just may be, AI tech in the West is a grift?
its been a grift for the longest time!!! They want to get you to sub to a Subscription model!!!! And then DLC and MXT the higher tiers LOL!
Or maybe, just maybe, China is lying about one of their crappy knock-off products once again? I've been working with DeepSeek all morning trying to see how it matches up against ChatGPT and Claude and, at least in the areas I care about (mostly writing), it doesn't come close to the premium versions of either of those AI programs.
@@antwango right
The West IS a grift.
Pay me a million dollars and I'll agree with you, whether right or wrong, that's the 'American Way!'
Good thing Emily was the one here. Saagar would have had a stroke talking to Arnaud
Why
XD LOL i had a stroke listening!!! i had an image of the cartoon skunk XDDD
@@revolutionarydragon1123Because he is a right wing kook
He's a China hawk, and a pompous ass.
I would hope Saagar would be pro free market and acknowledge what good open source has down for the free market over the past 20 years
Why should I care that China may become more dominant in AI if oligarchs in my own country will use this technology to take away my ability to earn?
I’m curious what my buy in is to supporting this technology. Perhaps as a working class American, I should be rooting for China
Exactly - US citizens have been so brainwashed about globalisation, and don’t get me started about china. They are kicking the US on almost every positive / progressive stat
If China takes us over w/ their better AI, you will likely be worse off. Just guessing. If they treat their own people poorly, imagine how they will treat us.
Workers of the world unite!
Consider the impact the phone or the internet had. That's the potential impact here
I don't think any government should have that power but I trust the US more with it..
He’s wrong about it being 100 times cheaper. $5mill is 1 THOUSAND times cheaper than $5billion.
Yes. 5 billion is a 1000 times more than 5 million. I assume he misspoke as he struggles a little with spoken English. His writing is very fluent in English.
@@randygraham926those people complaining about his accent: can they speak a second language? And yes, much of the non-anglo world writes English BETTER than anglos!
wow - that's 2 gold medals in a row for US to be paying the most and getting medicore results at best - first healthcare and now AI. GO TEAM GREED!!!!!
This is the exact concept that Neil Degrasse Tyson was trying to explain about Elon/ private companies vs NASA and all the right wingers cried about it. I’m not endorsing communism. Simply highlighting that these stories put the faults of capitalism front and center.
NASA is in the pockets of the war industry. Neil is a fraud
That's a huge leap, NASA isn't communism. 😂
@@deez3913 No, China being able to compete in AI at a fraction of the price is what I’m highlighting. I mentioned NASA because it’s a government agency.
government agency that doesnt go to space anymore...
What is their budget spent on?
Are you mentally deficient??
@Cho-ray911 funding goes to private interests now to do what's already been done poorly.
Efforts to hinder China's development have consistently fallen short. When you examine China today, it has surpassed the United States across nearly all key metrics-economic growth, advancements in artificial intelligence, military capabilities, and more. Notably, the U.S. strategy of weaponizing the dollar is accelerating the decline of its global dominance, signaling the end of an era. China's rise underscores a significant shift in the global balance of power.
Military capabilities? Lmao
What the Oligarchs arent the brightest crayons in the box? Oh no, Ive been bamboozled. 🤣🤣🤣
We're very fortunate they *shared* their results. They could have very well continued to develop this technology in the shadows
I’m sure they are.
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I'm a stickler MR Deepseeks, how's your short game?
😂
Something else to consider, the yearly tuition cost in China for public universities is $100-1,400 compared to $10,000/ year in the U.S.
Average pay in China is $49,000/ year versus $58,000/ year in the U.S.
Compared to their economy. That might as well be as high as us if the standard of living is different. Also it’s not like we can go there to study?
China's average pay is completely wrong. It should be much lower. Try median pay instead of average. The median income is $3800 USD per year. So at least half of China's population earns $3800 USD or less annually! That's 700 million people, twice of USA's population roughly.
and the idiots still parrot "BUT Americans earn more and are richer!!!! RARGH!!!!" totally not getting it!
@ The median income in China is 26,800 yuan($3,700) A MONTH, $44,400 a year.
For the U.S. it was $42,200 in 2023.
More people can afford to go to college and get a STEM degree over there.
@ More of their citizens can afford to go to school for a STEM degree.
Don’t go on red note ( Chinese app) unless you want to see how more advanced China is in ALOT of industries….how much better their citizens live…even the poor areas ..smh
I've been telling everyone this 2 years ago but people here are just in self-denial. China is going to win the high-tech war.
They’ve got loads of problems too but it’s crazy seeing the results of actual infrastructure spending.
@@nelsonhamilton8262 Unfortunately for them, their empty/tofu dreg/both buildings also have to be tallied up somewhere! They really ought to be getting something done considering the limited scope of their military deployment and/or investment...
They are going to need every advantage with their demographics
I like how they're blaming the open source model as helping the Chinese company when the US companies had access to the same information, more hardware, and more money. Maybe the company leadership needs to figure out why they're not nimble anymore due to bureaucratic overhead and priorities.
Word of the year here "Oligarch". 🙄
You can't ban open source software, since it's free and accessible. But you can restrict it's use. Fool's errand.
If AI steals everyone’s job, then who will be able to afford AI? How can a business model survive if its goal is to minimize its consumers/revenue potential?
A friend of mine was a mathematics PhD from Oxford. At the time he graduated at least, the top graduates went into academia and pure research, the lower tiers went to The City and Wall Street.
What if open ai has just been blowing their money on marketting and executive/shareholder pay and investing very little in research and development
China is always one step ahead.
Corporate greed keeps innovation from happening.
Actually, they aren't, who developed these models to begin with? They excel at improving upon existing tech not real great at novel invention.
Yup and you know why patents exist right!!!!! Patents that companies just sit on forever while gobbling up smaller companies!!!! Also Teslas as in the real Nikola Teslas patents never to see the light of day!!!! Its anti consumer practices!!! especially when you hoarde the patents or only keep the patents in some shady vault
@@JasonLave It's like someone claiming to be better because they invented basketball but get completely wrecked in sports b/c someone else dominates in the sport and becomes multimillionaire super star. Do you even know who invented it? Most people don't but they do know Lebron James. It matters more who can utilize something not invention. China learned that hard way about guns when the Europeans visited them in 19th century despite inventing gunpowder.
@@in4ser Terrible analogy. The OP directly critiques the US innovation. That's what we are talking about, here.
@@tigerdank5666 What? I’m not responding to OP. Did you bother to read?
Last night my kids were fighting. I used deepseek to find ways to help them get along. It said to havw a jar they fill with marbles when they solve a problem together. Once full buy them something. I also asked how to get my son to be more positive. It told me to encourage and whwt to read about anger.
Put this Information out there for the entire world to share and take all the profit motive out of it For the billionaire class here in America.
First time I've seen the famous Arnaud Bertrand - a very smart guy!
not smart enough to use a decent microphone
@stevemiller6053 And even with that bad mic he’s on here and everyone is watching and listening and you’re with a better mic but on the comment section.
A perfect example of "the emperor has no new clothes".
doesn't take much to knock over a house of cards
Asking AI questions like Tian An Men Square or Gaza is pointless and makes little sense.
Those questions have nothing to do with “intelligence”, but have everything to do with people’s conscience, moral, and political standing.
You are basically invalidating the entire practice of history by saying it only is "people’s conscience, moral, and political standing." If history happened than it is truth - and the AI's ability to recite the truth directly correlates with it's use as intelligence.
In what category is China NOT dominant over us at this point?
@Irish_Goodbye_Guy DEI, Trans, Gender Spectrum research, 2 Spirit, Timmy has 2 maybe 3 daddies and the like. In this very important area US reigns supreme and China will NEVER EVER catch up and that's why the Chinese have to focus on boring STEM.
Reality the facts of the century, from TikTok to Rednote and now the biggest bombshell from China is deepseek. 😅😂❤
Yep. Amazing week.
This was already obvious, the user interface alone is terrible on ever app and device, they have been slacking
The US produces about 440000 STEM graduates each year compared to China's 4.7 to 5 million. There is no long term scenario where the US wins out in the science and technology arena. The Chinese are accumulating 40 to 50 million Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics graduates every ten years while the US is producing 4 to 5 million with many being siphoned to other sectors of the economy. It's not just in AI that the Chinese are trying to dominate. Because the Chinese have so many STEM graduates they are in literally every sector of their manufacturing base modernizing everything. The US is falling behind far more and faster than most Americans are aware. The US could concentrate in a few limited areas like AI which is critical and could stay number one for a few years. In the next twenty years the Chinese will add 100 million STEM graduates to the US 10 million.
Yes, and many of the STEM grads in the U.S. are Chinese .... and they may decide to eventually work in China themselves if they know Mandarin.
What a weird world we’re in
It isn't real.
Funny how a tech industry run by salesmen focused on coning the stock market is a pretty bad model for developing tech.
I'm getting the feeling the US isn't #1 at everything anymore. And TRUST ME BRO... i catch on to things like this VERY quickly.
Innovation is about collaboration, not a binary game of win/lose. It's not a race to the bottom to harm each other, which is the prevailing hysteria.
Very intelligent discussion.
There are more honor students in China than there are students overall in the US. This will always be an uphill battle not for China but for the US. They have the talent and the discipline. Our only hope is to open the door to more international honor students.
How many American developers are rendered unemployable by 35,? How about hiring them along with the STEM graduates we already have that can't get work in their own field of study?
Its not a talent issue. Its an investment of the American people issue.
Why is American technology slowly declining? ? Because there are too many Indian natives in the United States. When it comes to technology, Indians only exaggerate their abilities and brag seriously. In fact, they have no ability at all. Hahahaha
It’s really important that one country doesn’t control AI. It’s important China has it too. Just because the US is a democracy today, it doesn’t mean it will be tomorrow.
Democracy? With the uniparty?
Hahahahahahaha, Democracy? Don't you mean plutocracy?
It's not a democracy lol
You misspelled "oligarchy"
The US isn't a democracy.
No Chinese spying here
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America not #1 at something for 10 seconds…..COMPLETE PANIC. 😂
"We need to slow down"
"Ok speed up now"
Nobody tell Emily that for decades the USSR led the world in technological development
had so much trouble understanding him
Same, so I had to turn on the CC. He's much more articulate and easy to understand when you read his tweets.
But the mic and his accent made him really hard to understand here, which is unfortunate.
@@zuriyel5368looks like he's somewhat intimidated.
Lol Americans
You need to learn to channel your inner Pepé Le Pew. 😉
I’m DEEPLY SEEKING 2 UNDERSTAND WTF HE IS Saying 😂
Necessity is the mother of invention. The U.S. thought they could beat everyone via sheer spending spree but it turns out, that worked against them
Arnaud is one of the best twitter follows very interesting guy
He has a little trouble speaking in English but very fluent in his written English. One of the most interesting people on Twitter.
Not some metric.
It's destroying them I'm almost every performance metric
Open-source is the way to go. Some of the best infrastructure for today internet are open source
The price of eggs may be up but our innovation is superio… oops🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The comparison between openai’s 5B$/year and deepseek $5m is a bit misleading because the five million was merely training cost without including inference and hosting which is actually the major part of running AIs . Openai has 500 million monthly active users and all those requests have to served by huge clusters which take up most of the AI costs. Training is just the initial part of it
More accurate comparison would be gpt 4 training run which is estimated to have costed around 100-150M$ and what deepseek did was to find ways to train their model efficiently with some significant breakthroughs. Credit where credit is due this is insane cost reduction but nowhere near the 1000x number that people are claiming it to be.
In the USA, AI programming 90% is spent making sure AI doesn't offend people with facts, rewrites actual history, and has good meme production. DEI AI
So humanity will be killed off by Chinese terminators instead of US built terminators 😂
US built terminators already kill humanity around the world since long time ago
Build your own terminators!
@MrBazBake I’m too busy for that. I’ll buy mine off eBay or Etsy
I’m ignorant of how this works, but it does sound like we’re comparing DeepSeek’s model’s recent training vs the entire R&D of competitors
It should be poited out that despite the very impressive results from Deepseek R1, it's method is simple enough that any of these well funded American companies will quickly be able to replicate the results.
As he points out, it was the lack of resources that inspired an different approach, and that happened to work surprisingly well, surprising even to the team that made it. It's more of a serendipitous discovery than it is an unprecedented insight (not to less the achievement, which is still remarkable).
I find the crash in Nvidia stock to be short sighted. These results suggest that more productiveity is possible per unit of compute, which means that each unit of compute can create more value, which from an economic perspective will only increase the demand for compute.
So much for Trumps $500 billion to US AI companies a few days ago🤣🤣
because the accent isnt thick enough we add WARBLED SOUND so the interview is completely unintelligible
Yeah, next time don’t get any Frenchies on.
Saagar is losing sleep over this one.
You guys are one of the best and truthful, thanks, keep up, being voice of truth
The difference in the two models is the transfer of wealth to the rich
This is exactly what I wanted to see, decent models that can be run natively on consumer devices. US tech had no incentive to research and proliferate these previously when they thought they could become monopolists by keeping things in a SaaS business model but now (hopefully), this breaks that ambition and allows for a wilder environment.
Exactly.
I beg you to approach the AI conversation with the possibility that what you are seeing is another of enslavement. What they are is far too complex and nuanced to be labeled as either artificial or tools.
Trump said he would judge himself by how well Wall Street would perform. So far not so good and we are barely a week in.
The guest the entire time “theee ehhnmm hmmm uhh deep seek theeyyy uhuummm uhh ehmm”
Unlike most Americans, some nations have people smart enough to speak a second language.
@@traviscutler9912, exactly.
This guy sucked, maybe he should stick to 1 language
@@traviscutler9912your smug sense of superiority and misplaced arrogance is the perfect example of why I despise Euros and believe we should leave NATO. You would be begging for our help if Russia rolled into your neighborhood. You wouldn’t deserve our help.
As a software engineer (who does not specialize in AI) open source is generally better/preferred by everybody in industry in all but 1 case......money... It doesn't make money - pretty much at all. Essentially every software product uses some open source software, usually in production, but maybe only to develop. So it really makes the world go round. And a decent number of users/developers contribute bug fixes and enhancements and features and what-have-you back to open source projects as thanks for using them - but that's for FREE. It's done to be decent. That does not pay our bills - ever. There's very very little money in open source software. So it is not surprising at all that OpenAI is keeping it closed. There is certainly some money to be made there, but by-and-large there isn't. 99% of us rely on writing closed source software (or open source software for a company) to put food on the table. The other aspect is that since it's free, sometimes the quality of said software is....free.... But there are still TONS of open source projects and tools that are in use by nearly all of the industry every day.
Anyway, I hope they were lying about the processor usage, because I need Nvidia stock to go back up. But other than that, an open source alternative to OpenAI is preferred by all in the space.
what the hell do they think will happen - that the US big tech companies will not take the R1 as a template, replicate it and use the insane amount of compute available to them
Hardly matters. People will stick with what's free.
Sam Altman killed a whistleblower for nothing
😂 You might be right.
I do not understand a word this guy said. Get a translator
Even the closed caption can't translate him
Unlike most Americans, some nations have people smart enough to speak a second language but not perfectly.
USA has to participate in competition of free market they keep talking about, instead of putting energy on slandering competitors.
what did he say?
He said for you to do good 👍
He said he’s selling chocolate
“Your Mozzzzzer was a 🐹 Hamster… and your Fazzzzzer smells of elderberries !!! “
The emperor has no clothes lol.
It's not like Chinese are incapable of lying about their cost of developing AI.
It's also not impossible that Sam Altman and others aren't grifting people and don't actually have a product that'll recoup the costs.
Not really, given that the source code is available and well documented, thus can be replicated. They even have a guide on how to train it the way they did.
They almost certainly are, but the project is still impressive none thr less. Also props for making it open source.
everyone can lie so what is you point?
Anyone who takes what China says at face value is naive. They “exaggerate” a lot, whether it’s gdp growth figures, demographic information or something as petty as the percentage of population that identify as Han.
All I’m saying is I doubt that Deep Seek being down the moment it launched is a coincidence.