Giant Stance 2 Vs Polygon Siskui D6 | Which is the Better Value?
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Giant is the Toyota of mountain bikes , you just can't go wrong with anything they produce . I own the 2022 Giant Trance 27.5 X3 in aluminum and I couldn't be happier .
Thanks bro , this is what I’ve been looking for. I’m searching for my first bike and this explains a lot.
Very useful comments in a language I could understand as I'm a noob in mountain bikes. I was looking at buying the Polygon Siskui D6 and this persuaded me to go for it. Thanks!
Great video! I’ve been riding for over 30 yrs. Mostly surface streets with a mountain bike. Giant’s been my bike of choice. Went with the Trance for my 1st full suspension bike. Giant gives you alot of bang for your buck.
These are both budget-ish bikes, so neither will be perfect. Quick release isn't great, but it was pretty much standard fare a few years ago and I haven't seen any reviews anywhere where they say it caused performance issues while test riding (and some of those guys really thrashed the thing). Something you didn't mention is the weight. According to the specs online the Polygon is over 7 pounds heavier at 37.6 pounds, that's almost 25% heavier than the Giant. That's a LOT. I think the price difference is actually $400, to be fair to the Polygon. Setup by a pro shop is included with the Giant, unless you're good as a bike mechanic you'll want to pay a shop to do that, which is at least $100. They're both good bikes, both flawed.
You say it's budget lmao these bikes are cost as much as rent for over half of America
@@shadowofthestarsdespair in fairness, I did say "-ish". Yeah, they're a lot of money, but in the mountain bike world they're considered budget bikes.
Hey mate the suntour xcr fork on the polygon d6 is an air fork. If I had to choose I'd choose the polygon over the giant, the thru rear axle and dropper post is great. You can always upgrade the fork like you did. You can't change a quick release frame tho. 👍 Good video!
Yeah I wouldn’t worry about a quick release on this bike, never seen anyone complain about it on reviews the chassis is stiff enough that’s it’s nice to have some flexibility in the rear to be more playful👍🏼 also never seen anyone break one or come lose
Can't go wrong with thru-axle front & rear moving forward esp. with upgrade compatibility.
Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #RideOn #KeepBiking
I would be interested in a comparison between the Polygon, the base Fuel EX, and the base Stumpy where you check to see what it would cost to get the specs on the Polygon up to those of one of these base model bikes. Then it would be easier for somebody to see if the slow upgrade plan makes sense.
We have both, my daughters have a Stance, and a D6. Right now the D6 is $999 on the bikes online website. For that reason alone I would go with the Polygon. If you plan to upgrade as your skills progress, why pay more for parts that you plan to replace eventually. In my opinion, buying the D6 and replacing the front fork with a $225 34mm Z2 Bomber fork will put you way ahead of the Giant. One measurable difference which you did not discuss here is weight. I think our Giant came tubeless where the D6 did not, so there's another expense, but If I recall the D6 came tubeless ready and just needed valves and sealant, so, that being said, you still have a better bang for buck with the D6 than the Stance. Now, if it's important to you, you can take the Stance to any Giant shop for work or warranty service, the D6 is all online and there is no Polygon shop to visit. And then, there is the known cracked frame issue of the D series bikes. I think the newer D series are all getting the upgraded gusset, and from what I've heard, polygon had been good about switching out frames under warranty. We haven't had any issues thus far after 2 NICA racing series, so, I believe it's just a small percentage of bikes that crack. If you plan to 'send it hard' then the Giant may give you a little peace of mind, and that may be worth the extra $$ to some. Regarding the Polygon's frame issue, let it be known that all bike manufactures have had cracked frames, no company as far as I know has never had a cracked frame. I think it all depends on the user and how they use their equipment.
All things being said, I still believe the D6 is the better value. You mentioned you felt the Giant had a better cassette, I think that's a mute point as cassettes are easily changed out. You can get the same range from an 8 speed to a 12 speed, an 11-50 cassette, is an 11-50 cassette, the difference being the steps between gears, I think what you meant to say that you felt of the steps between the gearing on the different cassettes, you preferred the steps on the Giant. In my experience, if I can spin out my cassette, I just take a brake. I'd rather have climbing gears than descending gears. For me I think I'd rather start at a 13 or 14 and go up to 50 with better incremental steps, than a highest gear of 10 or 11. In your comparison, the polygon had a bigger step between the last to gears, where as in your example the Giant had better gear spacing. IMO, that is a valid observation, however, I think you could easily change out the cassette for something that suits your riding style better and wouldn't necessarily consider this the deal breaker. Even spending more on a different 10 speed cassette, the Polygon is a better value.
I have the giant Stance 29 2 I immediately changed the fork out to a rockshox Domaine RC 160mm. Big difference over the Giant Crest front fork. But don't forget the giant Stance crest dork has a damper adjustment on the bottom of the fork. The crest dork is a 34mm stansions.
The bang for buck in this case is a wash with the glaring exception of the dropper. I would spend a little extra and get the Polygon D7 or save up a bit more and get a Giant Trance X or Ibis Ripley AF. Marin also just redesigned the Rift Zone which is another compelling option in the budget full suspension category
For me, parts can always be upgraded over time. Where you ride boost and thru axle would be good but it comes down to how hard you wanna push your bike. Geometry would be key for me to purchase. I would want a reasonably slack headtube for the downs and a steep seat tube for the ups. So for me its the geometry.
you can't upgrade the Giant rear hub with a thru axle. Frame wont allow it
Solid Video...I have a talon 2 with a grand on upgrades and I own a stance 2 ... in the end I ended up getting a third bike the Giant Reign SX... but truthfully I Love riding my talon hard tail.. something about building it makes my Talon more enjoyable riding..
That Talon frame is a really good platform to build from. I've left mine stock to this point and it's great. I'll upgrade as things break.
@@mattj6676 yes... The Talon is great riding.. so much you can do slowly in upgrades. And won't break the bank. 👍🏻
I have a 2021 Talon 1 with a few upgrades, stem, pedals, handlebars and SHIMANO M6100 brakes and just added a dropper post. Love the bike but wish it had boost axles but I understand needing to keep the cost down. In hindsight, I should have just got the Fathom.
@@Trilogy2112 Yeah, I misread the original post, I have the Fathom 2, not the Talon. They're both good bikes, the Talon compares to the Marlin, but the 21 Fathom frame is much more of a down-hill bike. I love the thing.
Hey Matty,
I want to say, I love your channel., you provide a lot of valuable info. One thing I would like for you to know, the Stock fork that comes with the Polygon, is air adjustable. The fitting is located under the cap on the left. I want to upgrade my fork with the Rockshox Revelation. Can you tell me, what additional parts will I need? Thanks Don
I was just about to say the same thing until I read your post
You might need to play with the air pressure in the shock to make it more soft. Make sure you have a shock pump first though 🤣 if you let out too much air, you can’t add any back without it
Hi Matt 👋 tomorrow I go in my Trek local bike shop because my 2023 Roscoe 7 is arrived 😀 🤘 SICK
Nice! You will love that bike
@@MattyActive I plan to upgrade the fork in a near future . I choose the 7 because the Matte Trek Black is my favorite color .
The Polygon 7T has boost forks and hub. Why I got the T7 vs D6.
Thru axle and a tapered fork is the basic for a bike you want to use on the mountain. You need rigidity, and quick release is going to give you a little bit too flex for that job. You can get away with it, but soon or later you are going to discover you needed this basic things. I would take the Polygon with my eyes closed, to change the hub and the disc is a minor thing that I have made lots of times, and you can upgrade the rear shock for a very good one. You can fully upgrade that bike anyway. The quick release on the Giant, they screwed with that.
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i have the yellow 2022 siskiu D6 and it came with boost in the front... fork came straight off for some rockshox lol
The poligon thru axle on the frame 👍 you replace the fork anytime but not the frame I choose the poligon 👍
My 2022 d6 that i got this black Friday came with a suntour xcr air fork.
The Poly forsure bro. You can upgrade/change the wheel and fork. But you can’t modify the frame… Well unless you buy a new one!💯
Normally I'd agree 100% with you on that, but that Polygon frame must be steel, the bike weighs almost 40 pounds! The Giant weighs 30, their bikes are mass market which has its flaws, but I find their frames are excellent. The quick release is older tech, they haven't redesigned that bike in a few years I'm sure it's due for an update. But you're totally right on the upgrade concept as a general rule.
New stance comes with dropper post but quick release is real deal breaker for me . U can upgrade wheels . I wish stance comes with thru acle
The giant now comes with the dropper seat and the forks are air. Changed the game in the giants favor!
Having too many bikes now Im lookin at the Trance to put a Bafang motor on,I have the hardtail Talon & others ,the axle stuff is all on paper,when riding u dont notice any diff.,I have the Polygon T7 with lots of mods BUT cant use the motor for it because the way the rear shock takes up the triangle space hence getting the Stance,if any of u havent tried a Bafang motor U dont know what ur missing,I just bought 3 motor kits ,1 installed on my Talon & 1 goes on my roadbike, the other is gonna be for the Stance
The brakes absolutely are a critical selling point. But the tektro brakes are great brakes. I would even argue that they're better than the deore 2100 brakes by Shimano.
It’s the crest 34 bro on the Giant, so it has 34 mm stanchions.
Upgrading gets expensive real quick, you may be better off spending more to get a bike closer to what you really want, so you won't have as much upgrading to do, the Giant comes from a dealer thats someone you may need in the future, always good to know a dealer, and Giant has great resale, so there is a lot more then just the price to consider.. Spend until it hurts so you won't have to do as many upgrades.. thats the hard part I know.. but until you get to the point you bike is worth more then your vehicle, you may not understand.. ;) !!!! Happy Trails...
The hard part about spending the money up front and getting what you want is that bike prices have gone way up. I bought my bike in March, and since it has jumped $300. My friend's bike was $6750 in 2020, and the same model is now $8600.
I bought t Poly T6 after not being able to get a Stance at a decent price, in Oz the Stance retails for 2990 and the T7 I got for under 2k....
Just ordered my Polygon sisku D6 for $999. Insane deal going on rn
Wow!
Rn?
I would go with siskiu d7...no upgrades needed for a while, 1x11 drive train, rockshox fork and rear shock....27.5 boost . And dropper....for under 2000.00 cant beat that!!
Yea That’s pretty hard to beat!
100% I have a polygon t8 with all pnw contact points it’s hard to beat polygon bang for buck so I’m team polygon on this one
I live in England, this polygon bike is on sale near me for £1000. Do you reckon I could use this as a commuter bike? 6 miles I ride to work. Would you recommend it? Great comparison by the way.
Yes I think you could use it as a commuter for sure especially considering the tires and the rear shock running a little stiffer than other ones.
@@MattyActive thanks for the reply.
matty the xcr is an airfork
you should have gotten the d7....11 speed , the new se has a boost fork
the polygon ... new forks and front wheel . adding oil to the xfusion will make it plush ...
My stance 2 has a quick release, was this added on later models maybe?
Matty Active, with the D6 being $899 right now... Would you buy it then immediately update the fork? I'm currently trying to decide
I would definitely buy it! No need to upgrade the fork right away unless you want to. It can handle most things within reason
@@MattyActive and I should have mentioned, I currently have a Calibre Bossnut full suspension 27.5 from 2017 that has a rear quick release skewer.
the stock polygon fork is actually air but it’s just not great
FWIW the current Stance product page reads like it has a dropper post now
I would go Polygon mainly because of 12/148 boost axle in the rear. You can always convert to 15/110 boost in the front! With the Giant your just stuck with quick release on the rear !! I guess it’s just main how much 💰 you have to spend ! 🤷🏻♂️ IMHO D6 is a bit less cash but also a better deal in the long run!
Whats wrong with the quick release on the giant?
Not all 1x10 are created equal. The only one that compares to the 12s in my opinion is the AdventX from microshift
Advent X is awesome. 11-48 gearing which is equal to or treat than some 11 speed, just below 12 speed.
The Deore 10 speed is an 11-46 cassette, on 27.5 wheels that is actually just fine even if you're not super fit. 46t big gear on 27.5 is the same effective gearing as 50t big gear on a 29er.
@@mrvwbug4423 I didn’t know that. My original Deore cassette was on 42 tooth. Going to advent with 48 was a big difference.
I run a 30t oval with the 11-48 cassette and I’m the limiting factor. 10 speed has a good range. I guess I never realized the gearing in comparison to wheel sizes. Where’d you find that type of info? That’s interesting
Matty, the Fork on the Siskiu IS and Air fork. I had the same one. remove the cap and you will see the air valve. Its not a great air fork but its not a coil :)
@@jasonrichmond7974 I ran a 50t 10spd cassette with the AdventX deurailleur without issue as well. So 12speed only has the advantage of a couple extra gears but if climbing is is the goal , then 12spd doesnt matter. :)
HOW MUCH DID THE UPGRADES COST ?? AND HOW MUCH BETTER IS THE D6 NOW??
Upgrades were about 700 and it’s way better now on the downhill and climbing techn
What brand are those chain guards?
I’m not sure honestly, they came stock on the bike
I just return polygon and go with this giant sorry but there is a quality hole between this two.
D6 was on sale for $800 i grabbed one, couldn't pass that up.
Hey bro that xcr off your d6 is an air fork
Lol he says it’s not air bro.
@@joshuaallswang8016 lol ik but it is a air fork
@@joshuaallswang8016 he ment adjustable compression
Oh ok Forsure
the giant stance isnt worth it at all you can get a better spec marin for 1800 and that will give you a option to get a thru axle
Went with the polygon as the price drop went to $1,099
boost thur axle lol all i have to say you cant upgrade that
I gotta say - I would go for neither of those. Both have too many drawbacks. I'm a stickler for modern standards on a bike so that you can easily upgrade or replace broken parts and both are just lacking in that regard. I don't go through bikes a lot and if I buy a new one I want it to be somewhat future proof. If I absolutely had to choose one cause they were the only bike in the whole wide world I'd go for the Polygon. No thru axle kills it for me.
It would have been nice for you to compare them after actually riding the giant. Hell I van compare specs off the internet and come to the same conclusions.
I'm sure he'd like to, but the bike isn't his, it's being auctioned off so he can't take it in the hills and use it. There are some good reviews of the Giant out there in the tubes, it's a decent bike but not perfect...
tektro are 4 piston probably performs better
For a short travel bike they should be fine. I demoed an enduro bike that had a set of Tektro 4 pots and while they didn't have the power of Shimano or SRAM 4 pots they were serviceable enough for short travel trail bike. Tektro does have their TRP sub brand which is MUCH better quality, their DH-R Evo 4 piston brakes are considered some of the best on the market for endruo and DH applications.
@@mrvwbug4423 I can’t imagine them being worse then shimanos mt200
I would lean towards to the Trance and see if the axle can be changed,.period
vote for Polygon just because its made by my country wkwk