Image Quality Problems on Canon/Oce Varioprint Ultra
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2023
- Slowly learning how this machine works and how to fix it. This is a fast machine and is the older version on the current Canon Titan, using the direct press technology which is a bit different from what I am used to.
Hi Dan - glad to see you back!
Thanks!
Hey Dan. Loved this update. Looking forward to seeing how things are going in your next update!
Good to have you back Dan, I can learn so much from your video. Thank you!
Very excited to see you back!
Thanks! Glad to be back!
Thanks for the videos and looking forward to the next one! Very helpful, I’ve watched a ton of training and tutorials on UA-cam but the best ones are regular folks in the office, doing their work.
Good to have you back Dan, I always found the proof feature good before doing a large run.
Glad to be back!
Good to see after days... And these Canons seem amazing
The Varioprints are the way to go, been running a 6160 for nine years, only to replace it with a Titan 6180 two years ago. Colour is done on a Canon 10000, we also still have
4-colour conventional sheetfed and the combination of all this is simply perfect. Kind regards from Germany.
Great setup. I will likely work towards that!
Winning combo! Did the exact same thing.
That Varioprint is a monster!
Glad to see You back Dan...
Thanks!
Glad to see you back. You can mount a webcam/security cam on each stacker and check them out easily and even if you are away. The ones with ir are especially good at that.
That would be great. I'll certainly consider that. Thanks!
Happy to see you back.
Hey, thanks!
hi Dan, that void that you have is from the developer unit. if you notice clumped up toner or dirt in the devl units its best to do a one time servicer on the devl units..a complete clean up removing all the toner and a complete vacuum of the units. if you see the spiral cleaners filling up at the ends you need to chck your devl units for side leaks that will spill over to the framing lamp located below the devloper unit and when you clean the framing unit you need to cleaon the print head too. the spiral cleaners are to remove paper dust and the sheet cleaners are to remove the the excess residue from the process. it works by printing a solid black print every 1500 prints which is then transfered tyo the spiral cleaner to form a sticky surface which then is used to clean off paper dust from the TTF belts..the sheet cleaners then collets any residue left behind by this process..there are also glue cleaners at the bottom back of the ttf units that should be cleaned everytime you replace your ttf belts these are the shiny rollers that have the coolent running through them these rollers are used to clean off glue that can sometimes be found inthe paper stock and other contaminations such as wax. typically the ttf belts have a life span of about 2.5 million prints per belt, same goes for the OPC, but this can vary with different types of media. and yes there is NO waste toner for this VP6XXX series . i service these machines and i can tell you that they can run for 4 days straight without any problems or jams providing they are running with good media and in the correct enviroment.
Wow, thanks for the education. That was very helpful!
I use to tech Oce stuff many years ago. They are monocomponent and it works pretty well. But you really need to shake the toner before you add it. And warmth and humidity could definitely cause clumping at the mag roller. Great machines. Had a mouse get stuck to a spiral cleaner once. Made a hell of a thumping noise.
Glad to see you back!!
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oh man im so glad you got the cannons. we put MILLIONS of black and white pages through ours hundreds of thousands of color through our other machines. they run so well. also, i started watching your vids when i got hired at a printing company and knew nothing about the industry. it was because of your vids that i got hired because i learned so much and really impressed during the interview.
Where are you Dan? Miss your videos!!
good for you!!! you've up your game with the VarioPrint!
Go Go Goodyear!!! Paper modules.... more power!!!
Good to see a new video. I see your wall logo is still holding up. Man those Oce’s rock. Super fast. Perfect for you since you got all those books. The inside is nothing like those Konica’s though. Bit of a learning curve, but you got it.
Yes, sir! Thank you for that great logo. They are fascinating machines and I like seeing how they are different.
Nice to see big Océ machines. They are produced in my hometown I believe. Worked there also, decades ago :)
Very cool!
I talked with the cannon people who work at our plant all week and call on the weekend. Glad you got the plus. The controllers for the regular ultra will not work by what he said in the next year or so. They are taking one of the ultras out of our plant now. Not sure what they are putting in for it. Still love the content. Keep it up.
Good to see you back
Thanks!
Not only you are a printer, you are an electronics specialist. The way you work is also remarkable as well as economical. I relish the way you save funds, money, and materials. I am a little disappointed that the Canon printers had failed in your small plant. I hope you will be back up running and humming along.
Greetings fom Hungary! I'm an Océ Vp Service Specialist. I enjoyed your video!
Good to have you back, Dan! I am not sure if your Canon machines have this, but I remember seeing a promo video where it shows a engine similar in size to the two smaller that you own where they implemented a waste heat recovery heat exchanger; they basically have the sheets that have just finished fusing preheat the sheets going in to be printed, which I though was quite a novel feature for a digital production press and another way to reduce their overall power consumption.
The technology used in these machines is much much much more efficient than the traditional xerographic process we're all used to. It would be neat to see a 4 color process machine of this type.
You are correct! the 115 machines I have use a metal foil to cool off exiting sheets and warm up sheets that are entering the fuser. Very cool! I agree I'd love to see a color machine like this.
They have the i300 on the four color inkjet side. It is radically different from the toner machines, however. It has a heated fixation drum to dry the ink and then a sheet cooling area to reduce the temp before printing the second side. So they basically don't want to preheat the paper too much, or at all, because they need the drying to always be controlled. The machine does vent a lot of heat out the back and definitely cuts down on any need for facility heat in winter. We had to add extra AC for summer.
Hi Dan, great video and progression to new equipment. One thing to note, is the OCE devices are tanks, period! However, one thing you may or may not be aware is the OFFICIAL support from CANON ends at the end of 2024 on the ULTRA+ series machines, so parts available could become an issue at some point after that! Run all you can while you can and the machine will make you money!
Thats what I figure. I'll run them into the ground and then off to the scrap yard.
Yes, superb machines, we use to run two of these starting since 2014 (one ultra + one Titan), but Canon decided to kill OCE, in Europe the running cost is skyrocketing in the last couple of years. I switched to KM 6272P, which by-the-way it's a toy compared to OCE, but the running costs are MUCH smaller.
Dan, love your channel man, been binging your videos! Run a print shop in Maine, grew up in the business, same as you. Going to be in Gordonville, PA next month would love to stop by and meet you and see the shop!
Absolutely, stop on by. Thanks for watching!
Welcome Back Dan!
Thanks!
Wow, I sold my print biz over 10 years ago now.... I ran Xerox and KM equipment and 5 multicolour offset machines... Big difference that I am noticing is you do all the maintenance yourself... Production digital printers in Australia are soooo expensive.. I had to have maintenance contracts on both models of digital machines as the spare parts in Australia are off the planet prices... We would have the techs out at least once a month for a major repair.... 0.07 per colour click covered the parts and the maintenance. We weren't doing the clicks you are as I could slide 500-1000 plus runs over to the Heidelberg Offsets.. BTW great channel... Makes me smile... And cringe watching print production after 10 years
we miss your videos!
We missed you !!!
Thanks! Glad to be missed.
Good to see a new video!
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Hi Dan, here is small tip for stacker: if you push button for stack ejection first time when printing, stack will be ejected when the job is done. If you push it second time, stack will be ejected immediately and you can easily check print quality.
Oh nice! That will be so handy, thanks!
Welcome back ❤️
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Hi Dan. For the 1070 that shut down, it's o precaution measure by the machine if the fuser belt goes outside of it side guides. There is a cutout switch at the back of the machine, just where the power cable goes into the machine. Check it out and remember to switch it on after fixing the fuser belt. Has happened to me severally.
Cheers
Oh thanks! I figured there was some sort of breaker in there. I'll definitely look for it. Would be good for me to post a video about that, I have had others ask me about it in the past.
There are some awesome service vids on that series of machines on UA-cam!
I know. I watched them a few times before I bought the presses. They convinced me to give it a try.
Hey Dan, I like your videos. I’m a former production print tech/color specialist for dealer with KM and canon equipment. Your 1200 can be fixed for sure. I believe that was a common issue that could if it wasn’t getting its regular PMs. In my experience they ran a little dirty and if you didn’t regularly vacuum clean the process and transfer areas and toner ducts you would pay for it! but its kinda difficult to regain trust in it. The 1070 tripped a fuse and you’ll have to get into service mode and reset the fault after you replace the faulty parts. It could be one of the heat lamp or just bearings . Recommend a PM kit w
It’s fusing belt, rollers, bearings and stuff. Message me if you wanna chat. Peace
I figured there was some sort of breaker in the 1070 that was tripped. I'll have to check and make sure to include that in a video. Thanks!!
Who remembers Xerox The Docu-Tech that machine was a beast best feature is the hot tape binding
I do! Still have one waiting to be taken to scrap.
Docutech was just before my time. I think I missed out!
We got a metal scraper to take them all for free
Missing your videos, would love to see the process of the hardback book making.
ciao SuperDannnnn, ben tornato, avevo visto uno short e avevo capito della Ultra, super macchina... io ho 3 Versant 80 xerox ma la prossima settimana Canon verrà a trovarmi e ti penserò! valutiamo la V900 oppure la 10010. I tuoi video sono di valore. grazie
For that web frontend: There are a couple of relatively cheap touchscreen monitors available nowadays, coupled with a sub-$100 mini-PC (or even an Android-stick, as a web browser is enough for you) and a monitor arm to mount the combo to the wall, those make nice remote control stations. I use that setup for my laser cutters and it's really nice.
Great idea, thought that it would be nice to have a large screen on the wall showing all the presses. Thanks!
@@justaprinter Does this management interface have some kind of API? Thought of another solution to the same problem: send push notifications to a smartphone (+ smartwatch, a simple $40 "Amazfit Bip U Pro" would do). Messages like "stacker ready to empty" or "empty stacker within xy minutes or machine will stop" but yeah if you're in the middle of a 30 minute task and you get a 45 minute advance notice you either have to remember it or you would be constantly spammed with reminders, unlike a monitor that always shows you the information and allows you to plan your own time whenever it suits your shedule.
Next press you wanna get is a Canon 10000. had the opportunity to see one working and is amazing.
I'm hearing a lot about these presses. I'll have to research them.
We miss your videos
You can keep an eye on the Canon machines simply *adding a security camera inside* (a wired one will do the trick, not sure if a wireless cam can do it)
Probably you can use a PoE one so you only run one cable... even you can power a led light (or use a relay to power on the light)
Other solution can be using Octoprint on a raspberry. Good content, helps me a lot, thanks.
You have quite a range of equipment there! The company I work for are xerox dealers and i would say the xerox Iredesse or 1000 are solid machines and I have worked on them with over 30mil on the meter and still running strong. The problem with the 800/1000 is that it's getting expensive to run and parts are hard to get when not on a service agreement. You can pick the 1000 up pretty cheap now but the iredesse is very expensive and rare to find 2nd hand. Also i would stay away from the versant range with the amount of volume you do. I consider them more high volume printers than a production press.
Congrats on the Oce. As far as I remember it is the front end (rip) where they put in the printing speed. I was not aware that you could switch the rip’s from one machine to another. Yes I have a certificate from OCE that they will service/guarantee it for 1’000,000,000 or 10 years. Mine is 8 years with 120’000,000. I started out with Konicas and graduated to OCE /Canon. Good luck.
Ahh and yes the color Imagepress 10,000 did the work of a Konica 7000, 8000 and 1070.
Yes, I guess I need to consider the Canon 10000 now!
OCE is next level for sure!
A game changer! Wondering if I should consider Canon for color machines now....
@@justaprinter c10010VP is very good machine.
Now I've got 4 varioprint 135s and a Ricoh 8320 which I use to print banner sheets!
I was the specialist for these machines out of irvine ca. 14 years ago.
Omg he’s back 🖨
YES!!
Friend I admire you I am from Venezuela. I'm starting. I have a Ricoh MP C2550 copier. I do business cards, tabloid printing, and sticky labels.
I don't have the economic level to buy more things. I used all the money I had to buy this used Rocoh. But at least I'm starting and I want to grow in this job. In the future buy better machines like the ones you have.
Greetings from Venezuela.
I don't know how to speak English translated with google
Thats how we started, with a small copier. Keep up the good work!
@@justaprinter Thanks very much buddy. Greetings from Venezuela
Just ordered laser safe window and linen envelopes week before last. A little tough finding them, but better than a year ago. Some sellers still trying to gouge; but more out of stocks than quadruple prices this time around.
Good to hear things are getting better!
@@justaprinterHey, miss your videos. Was coming back to see what new toys you had in the shop.
also if you dont already know when you need to put new sheet on the cleaner roller be sure to pay attention to which way they wind on the roller. If not and its wrong they will unwind into your machine.
Yes, I've been told that and now I triple check when I do it. :)
Cool to see you back!
When you posted the short I took a look into the Ultras, very awesome machines. Almost kinda sad that we have no real use for a pure B/W machine since all people want from us is color.
What's your thought on Inkjet Production machines? Kyocera 15000C looked interesting, but I've not seen any real world quality examples yet.
I'd also love to get a machine that does banner sized papers to make bigger folding flyers etc., but the current prices of material make it hard to sell to customers.
It's fun to see how your fleet has grown since the first videos and baffling to think that you're still doing most of the work by yourself.
I think inkjet will be there some day. I have been impressed with some of the new large inkjet presses. But way out of my budget. If I need more capacity than the two Ultras, my only option is inkjet.
I saw a Kyocera at Printing United. The quality was pretty good. Definitely not as crisp as toner, but if you’re running a lot of transaction type jobs it would be perfect.
@@miketheprintman Yeah, that's what I thought. But our jobs are mostly either student projects or small runs of advertising prints, flyers, business cards, restaurant stuff, art, postcards etc. Currently running Xerox C570 and C60 machines who do great quality on a variety of stock. Guess those will keep us a good while.
@@justaprinter Agreed, the speed on the ultras is awesome. Issue with the larger Inkjet presses is also that they stray further from smaller job runs or one-offs.
Yay printer man is back
Wohoo!
We miss your videos! 👀
I'm back!
Hi Dan, im working on a Xerox Versant 80! Doesnt seem like a bad machine from what i can tell. I have a laser code on it and thats what im working on!
missed ya!
I missed you all too!
Paper is getting easy to get but prices are not going down and I’ve been told it won’t go down. Last year I was buying up everything I could get because it was such a struggle to get paper. I have 4 times more paper on my floor to make sure we don’t run out of items we can’t get right away. I’ve been told that capacity is being taken away… one mill is switching over from fine paper so we will be losing a big amount and that may create issues again soon. I am preparing by stocking even more in the coming year. The days of expecting the Paper houses to have what you need on there floor may be gone.
I think you are right on the high prices are here to stay and the coming years will be different than the past. Good to hear from you!
It depends. There’s a few jobs I’ve outsourced because if I got the paper myself to do the job it would have been more expensive. I think large trade printers are buying A LOT of paper and making outsourcing cheaper…
On my Lanier 5200 the only difference between MICR and regular is the self contained toner cartridge. I checked with the company who makes the MICR cartridges and sells them. Just swap out the toner and I’m good to go. So I’d think that everything but the developer unit would be identical.
By the looks of it I think you are correct. I'm glad! :)
WHY DID YOU STOPPED MAKING VIDEOS WE REALLY MISS YOUR VIDEOS YOUR VIDEOS WERE INSIPRATION TO US PLEASE START MAKING VIDEOS AGAIN
The Oce / Canon is a great machine, but as you found the dev station is a right pain as it's prone to getting toner lumps causing the issue you had, also the changing of the spirals for me seemed a big waste of material (metal) than the old fashioned plastic toner waste bottle when you throw it away. But your right about they run and run with little issues. I loved the single pass printing, especially on very then paper. The only negative was prisma sync software.....it's rubbish compared to konica's Front End.
You are right, I should have mentioned that Konica front end does have many more options.
to check image quality go tp operator screen go to system... setup.... intermediate check sheet and it will send a printed sheet to the top tray on the print engine.. it only takes about 12 sheets to spit it out. good thing is it still prints the page into the machine so no page is lost. We have two canon 10000 one canon 10010 and two new canon 6330.
Yes, I just found out about the sample sheet. I'll certainly have to do that. Thanks!
im thinking more in the master cleaner unit for that void
ttf belts deffinitely seen better days,thats why you going through spiral cleaners
Hi Dan, Where were you able to get the service documentation for the varioprint ultras? We have one that we no longer have a local dealer to service and have been holding off on servicing it ourselves because we can't find service documentation.
Dan, I currently have a C2070 that is misting/leaking purple (cyan/magenta mixed?) developer/toner all throughout the machine and causing horrible image quality issues. Any insight? I've rebuilt the transfer belt entirely, including the cleaning blade, and also replaced all drums and coronas. Thanks
Tip, a Canon tech told me that the Canon press fusers need a special grease for its gears.
blanket wash for those stubborn toner on the ttf guide rollers
Fuser dont normally cause void lines. Check for dirt on laser glass or drum charging.
Dan. Where did you go? How we miss the way we would refer from your videos when we our c3070 gets into trouble. The ideas we borrow to upgrade and plan our print shop, I believe Im speaking on behalf of very many who follow you.
In your pm vacuum dev roller one evaluation due to media pullution. Multi viods start shacking toner bottles better and or complete cleanout if voids returns
Then cut the clean sheet one rev and clean the glue cleaner roller
Check for preheat plate pollution too
The preheat plate is designed to open the fibers of the paper so the toner goes inside the sheets to last a hundred years not like z
We are waiting for your videos from many months
Sorry for that, life was busy. :)
Speed of these machines are decided by speed licence of the machine with the same engine
U cannot contact canon for increasing the speed since the speed licence is registered on the main PCB board at the time of installation
Hey guys! I have a Konica Minolta Bizhub Press 1052e with a FS-532 finisher and paper feeder I want to get rid of. What should I price it at on eBay? Also, what's the difference between a 1052 and a 1052e? Cheers! (not looking for offers - I'm in Australia).
Toner rocks can get a clear cover run thru slit do developer maintenance and should be good
is there any machine which can fold 2 sheets (dimension- 12x18 inch) at a time, with a cross fond and a parallel fold
Hi dan - what’s your opinion about Xerox versant 280 press ?
It would sure seem to me (from a tech, not printing background) like there should be a simple way to do automatic in process checks to see if a sheet looks like the first copy to go through and stop if it doesn't.
It turns out that there is a setting to print a sample sheet. I'll have to talk about it.
Sorry if you get asked this alot. But what is the most common catagory of things you are asked to print. Like I know books and pamphlets, but are they like training material, cook books, fiction etc? Thanks a ton for reading this.
Hi man, im an offset printer in a big company but want to start digital on my own, from my appartment. What do you suggest?
Dan when you going to post a new video? Are you going to Print Expo next week? If so we should meet up for lunch. Still got that Oki c9650 with the envelope feeder if you need one.
Can any one please help me for choosing the correct one .
I am planning to buy
XEROX versant 280 or
konina milonata 14000 or
Ricoh
That bizhub press fuser is a real bear. They never give you the hot roller that heats the belt in the fuser kit. Sometimes you also get paper curl problems.
hi dan, nice to see you back, i am in Baja California Mexico is hard to fine machines around, were did you buy yours machines, i habing a bad time loking for konicas an cannon, thanks, hope you can tell me.
Printing equipment, machine, brokers, used equipment, maybe look in Mexico City, Karam in the hotel, and Cannon a representing all over the world
You said it, but I can't find it again. Where do you get your used machines from?
Hi Dan what's the exact model name and number of your new canon printer with 260 ppm
Ironically my Old Xerox 7120 just shutdown on me mid print.... I was just about to give up since I practically rebuilt that machine. Luckily it was just the RAM stick needed cleaning and it powered up again.
Your videos have made me want to get my own press! But not enough money for that yet.
If I was wanting to print a tiny book how small could I go with a digital press like these or the Konicas? I’m looking into a passion project.
Do you have the column to justify the installation and maintenance issues. Printing digitally comes at unique increase in technology cost vs mechanical/offset printing. The manpower costs vs technology is different
@@kevinzane6947 I’m not sure what you mean by “column”, but like I said it’s a passion project. Because of that the costs are calculated different from a regular business.
which brightness paper do you use for book printing?
Hi Dan, could you do a walk thru of HOW toner connects to paper? Would love to see the engineering behind presses. Not sure if that is interesting to your audience.
Xerography is a bit much for a UA-cam channel. You might search out google on this history of xerographic copying & printing. Electrostatic copying. Spirit duplication. Mimeographic printing. Gestetner printing. AB Dick mimeograph.
The first Xerox copiers.
ua-cam.com/video/xuZGjcKbsIg/v-deo.html
@@kevinzane6947 I finally got the chance to enjoy that rabbit hole. Really cool History and technology.
Hi Dan
Do you use UPS for your printers or are all connected to direct power source.
They are all connected direct to the power source.
also check the weave of the ttf belt on the inside,that ttf belt looks faulty
TIP: Always check the heat roller that applies heat to that fuser belt if it uses one.
Do you not have your KM machines on a service contract?
DAAAAANNNN!!! How goes it bud!
Glad to be back and hearing from you all. Things are good now that its slowing down a bit. :)
@@justaprinter good to hear! Hope 2023 is off to a great start for ya.
It’s been months then. Where is an update? It is now June. It’s another three or four months since your last posting. Everybody is starving for content. How about a little 10 or 15 minute update on the OC.
hello we have heidelberg machines but i need these type of printer
which printer machine is best for starters ? i need 33x48cm machine 4 or more colour. i dont know fixing the machines so reliable ones would better
thanks for help have a good day
All digital presses will need service. I like the Konicas I have but you should get something that you can get service for.
Special colors of spring hill here are usually 6 months out if you can even get them. Special envelopes are 6 -9 months out. Goldenrod -good luck. Canary-maybe, if you’re lucky. Gloss ream wrapped? Yeah, nope.
Yeah, I forgot about that. I pretty much gave up on stocking any colors.
@@justaprinter unfortunately, we have to try. Notice I said, try.
Hi, I am running publishing company and I was wondering if I can ask you advice for making hardcover(book we publish requires unique structure)
The double letter is for those cheap companies who don’t want to buy additional feeders and you can keep
It running continuously. At least you can in my Ricoh’s as the side that’s feeding will stay in the machine and keep running while you load the other side.
Oh nice, I didn't Ricoh has trays like that.
@@justaprinter just one.