Is the New Civic Type R Really Better Than the Last? 2023 Honda Civic Type R Review
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Often heralded as the best front wheel drive car since the original Integra Type R, the Civic Type R returns for it's second generation in the USA. Primarily looking different, did they do too little, or too much compared to the last generation? Find out this week and we take the 2023 Honda Civic Type R for a drive and see what its strengths and weaknesses are.
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As a Golf owner, I'm so envious at the size of the hatch. This car is much better looking than the last model...
I own this car and I think this is a fair review. I’m 62 years old and call me weirdo but I actually don’t mind the stiffness of the chassis. I find comfort mode for everyday driving compliant enough for my everyday needs. One solution for the stiffness of the chassis that Type R have found is switching out the adaptive dampers module from the Integra Type S which is a direct bolt on that will not throw any codes and still allow all of the drive modes. I live in Midwest so for the winter months I run an 18 inch wheel with performance all season tires. I absolutely love driving this car. I often find myself making excuses to go places just so I can drive the car.
Thanks for sharing! I recently heard about he Type S module which is very intriguing. It's still an incredible car, enjoy it!
I also found that stock tires were lacking in sub 50-60° temps. I recommend driving it with proper all seasons! It's actually a lot of fun to drive in the cold/dry weather with good tires.
These stock tires are terrible in any kind of rain too
Thats the only reason I considered a type R, because it doesnt look like a Gundam/Transformer in-your-face screaming styling
lol that's why I want a FK8.
@@CP_3PO fl5 seems to go unnoticed beside fk8s, from what I notice
●Typically people who see fl5s are likely enthusiasts who know what the car was beforehand
Nice to see you in Colorado, did you move out of California?
I did! California was great, but Colorado is more my style.
Fantastic review, i ended up getting an SI. plenty of fun for me and 25K less
Good choice!
Would a full suspension mountain bike fit with the front tire off?
Definitely. I fit my 29er MTB in it, just had to remove the front wheel.
This car looks SO much better in Blue or Red. Geez I don’t like White cars with black wheels, they look utilitarian and have no personality, but I know I’m the outlier of that opinion. Maybe we can convince Honda to make a Grand Touring option, with a softer suspension and more road noise insulation. 😀 But then Acura Type S exists.
Never understood why Honda doesn’t have the shifter like on my '19' SI ; Metal on top and leather around the sides for Hot/Cold weather. I Want this hatchback to put my bike in!!! Thanks for that test! ✌️
Answer to your questions: Because type R lol
The original type R's in the 90's sacrificed luxury/amenities for weight savings and balance.
The shift knob exists, it's simply the option knob. Championship white will always be the signature color of the Type R as it's what was in Honda's racing team cars. It's also the only unique color for the R, everything else is available in the base Civic.
I have the fk8 and I love it, like this one too and I would have upgraded to it for around the same price, but not for 17.000eur more which is what they ask for it in europe
After driving an FL5, it's a fantastic car, but I don't think I would encourage anyone with a prev gen to upgrade.
The people who bought the previous type R are not the same people who are buying this one. This one is great but for a marked up price, for a civic that looks like a base model. There are better options with the better designs.
Just want to be honest for content creators, it's kind of pointless to make a review this late. Give a unique perspective, drive it do something different.
FK8 owner here and agree with your statement. The FL5 with minimal upgrades and ADM isn't worth it. If I didn't have the FK8, I would definitely be interested in the FL5.
*needs AWD & Automatic transmission option*
Fail. Don’t understand cars
@@ka124as *You Fail Mr.,tell that to the Nissan GTR & C8 Corvette*
@Slickpete83 bro you clearly don't know the essence of a type R....no point trying to explain, either you know or you don't...
@@Slickpete83Anyone demanding an automatic simply doesn't care to have a driver's car. Just like the 911R or 911 s/t you couldn't drive since lead foot needs his baby sitting computers to drive.
Civics have never had those. Never will.
Best interior layout, design and seats of any current performance car. It looks timeless if you look at it and cover the screen with your thumb. The seats are just perfect.
hrm, maybe the dogs would fit here....
overall, this is a well balanced review of this car.
I was able to address the driving compliance issue with 1. 18” wheels 2. For winter … All seasons. 3. Type S damper module. For me, this is the Trifecta!
I could see that making this a perfect combo!
Actually, as an owner of an Aegean Blue 10th gen CTR- FK8- I much prefer the looks to the follow up. Interestingly I have received numerous unsolicited compliments over the last few years from people of all ages, including women as well as men.
So no, the looks are certainly not universally reviled. Just by most auto writers lazily jumping on the media groupthink bandwagon.
If you like more of a sleeper, fine. Please stop stating a subjective opinion as if it were an indisputable fact.
My first thought. and my wife's, when we saw the new 11th gen FL5 was...disappointment. Which is not to say it isn't an amazing car and well worth owning. Just that seeing it made me want to keep, not trade, my '18 Type R.
And we are in our 60's- so the ' only appealed to 20- somethings' line won't fly either.
I get what Honda was trying to do here on the new one. Just leaves us cold. YMMV.
At least they tweaked it and made some improvements.
Facts are facts, opinions are opinions. The best reviews differentiate the two. You can do better. Otherwise, well done.
I don't care if you like or loathe the styling. I do care that you make it clear it is your take- not some universal truth- it is not.
Here is a real truth- Honda dealers sold every 10th gen Type R they had. At a markup- even back in 2017-2019 when most cars were still sold below MSRP. People don't buy cars they hate the looks of at inflated prices. The market put the lie to every 'me too' car reviewer taking that journalistic shortcut.
Rant over. Thank you.
Exactly
●Mostly enthusiasts seem to notice fl5. I have passed fl5 in my fk8 several occasions. People point out the fk8 and ignore the fl5. (..and my fk8 is black)
●●●●Like fl5, but it seems quite understated compared to fk8
●It seems understated compared to a f80 bmw m4 , and m4 owners claim their fk8s get way more attention (EddieMGarage)
●●●@EatSleepDrive should compare by driving both to a populated area like Doug did driving his r34 vs aston and review your findings. (Same colour)
really weird to see this car reviewed for practicality and driven off as soon as it starts...like being used as a regular Civic and not theType R as it is...I mean the guy talks about how performance oriented the Type R is but he just drives it as a normal car
Imagine not using a car, as a car.....
That’s what makes the type r so great! Performance with daily driver capabilities
I have both 😂
We just bought one. Absolutely love it. Comfort mode is mandatory on the street. I find it compliant. Sport should only be used on the backroads or mountain twisties. R mode is unbearable and only to be used on the track. Overall though, what a rewarding drive! The shifter is divine! Steering is razor sharp. Honda gets 5 stars for engineering a Fwd weapon!
Could you compare comfort mode with regular civics? I was going to buy the civic sport touring but wonder if the type r comfort mode is comparable. Really consider getting the type r if comfort mode is not too harsh.
@@organicproducedit’s going to be harsher then a lower trim model id say, if it’s really that stiff in r mode.
Sitting in a sport model made me realize the interior looks better then the 10th gen and newer overall but maybe that’s because I daily drive a 98 lol
Is it stiffer than the M2? Which one is more comfortable for daily use?
My F87 M2 is more compliant by a lot.
I own an F87 and I find it to be stiff. Do you have the stock suspension on your M2? I’m really considering the Type R as my next car.
You know, Curt, they say that suffering builds character. Not that you appear to lack character, of course.
But if you wanted to suffer and perhaps attract curious or voyeuristic viewers the best thing you could do is get another E55. Or maybe a M3/5? Any German dumpster fire is sure to attract a crowd of curious onlookers. Every car lover loves to watch someone else's struggles with cars we love to hate.
Can't wait to get mine in the spring
SAMEEEEEEEEEEEE :D
@@warwid5419 I was able to cop a new type R watch in the meantime..getting Delivery of that this week lol
Just get some aftermarket suspension and you're good to go.
Did you really have to put the bike chain down?
ofc its better
Loses in roll race, and lost and some tracks like Sodegaura even though fk8 on interior tyres.
It ain't better
@@g0d182 waaaay better. Basically simular platform but improved upon. It doesn't look like a parts bin car anymore, and the interior is chefs kiss with great build quality
The previous version is much much better looking than this plain Jane
Regarding the stiffness of the, people forget who the target audience are: boy racers. These guys are gonna slap on even stiffer suspension
Boy racers won't be able to afford the car for another 5-10 years. It's not the suspension setup is overly stiff, as it uses the exact same components as the Integra Type S, it's just the damping in tuned for Honda's own test track, Suzuka which is F1 smooth. You can install the Integra Type S dampening module and get the Type S softer suspension.
@@VermonsteredI feel like it’s not that stiff I daily a hatch on 12k 10k springs with dampening set to max stiff. But idk maybe in my 40s I’ll feel the pain😭
@@BlueCivid The wheel rate is likely different between the daily hatch you drive and the Type R so you can't directly compare the spring rates. The hardware between the Type R and the Integra Type S is exactly the same. Same shock, same spring, same geometry, same tire. Simply the damper is programmed to be a step stiffer. I used to daily a late 90's Honda with 12kg/mm and 10kg/mm springs but that's on a double wishbone system and it is definitely stiffer than the FL5.
@@Vermonstered that’s perfect for me then I plan on getting an fl5 so I can turn my hatch into a race car😂
this car in europa is 60 000 € +, my STI 2018 model was 64k when purchased.....
So still cheaper even with 5 years of inflation? And you don't have to worry about the engine blowing up if you take it to the track?
The fk8 is a proper track looking car the fl5 is boring all around with that barnie looking front look 😂 thats why it doesn’t get the same love the fk8 had also honda put the real type r looks on the Acura type s guess they realized the fl5 wasn’t aggressive as it had to be for the majority of the enthusiasts not boring people 😂
🤦 No one in their right mind thinks the FK8 is a proper track looking car. Especially with how much is non functional and tacked on. A GT3 RS is a proper track looking car and everything there is functional. No track car has a bunch of fake carbon, fake vents and so much non functional weight. C'mon now, show you understand cars a little bit now.
@@Vermonstered Careful, you'll have your comment deleted by these guys. I explained how the FK8's design caused a lot of drag and he replied only for me to decimate his uninformed and childish take. But I guess it goes against the clear bias in the video.
Hideki Kakinuma, the lead engineer for the development of the FL5 spoke on how the FK8 had many physical designs that created more drag. While the FL5 has a functioning aerodynamic shape. The Type Rs of old did not have a gundam/out-the-factory-with-a-bodykit tacked on design. The FK8 was more of an evolution of the FK2 only. So it's laughable that people think it doesn't look "Type R enough" or that it's a "proper track looking car" when it is faster because of its shape and upgrades. It's a return to form to Type R instead of being a tacked on body kit of an exterior.
Just wait for the body kits to start dropping fk8 days are numbered lol
Plain and not worth it. Critics car. Last model was over engineered. A true track car.