Was an awesome surprise to see this Sig Sauer's Rattler Canebrake PCP version getting a review on AAR!! I for sure did not expect that.❤ I've been a big Sig fan since the og co2 MCX came out in 2016. I've got now the .177 co2 MCX, MPX, the Canebrake - and the .22 Virtus PCP, as Sig rifles go. Love them all, even though the Canebrake and Virtus easily are my favorites due their better build for power. My co2 Canebrake I HPAd with separately bought 10ci tank (to keep buttstock length short) setup parts and adapter and is at 11.5fpe - so yet under that 12fpe limit. And thus I was kinda interested to see what numbers Andy got here - now when the UK Sig PCP even got the tank and regulator from Sig that it was supposed to get (unlike it was with the UK Virtus release and it's black, unbranded airtank setup)... The best update on this one I guess must be the grip - because the small and odd feeling original one been changed now out to one similar to the grip that the Virtus has. None of these can be fullauto btw - they're basically a long DA (trigger moves the chain and the sear) revolver with a chain instead of a cylinder. For outta the box and out to the 30 metres that was way good! The Sig barrels never been high in quality, so working them in surely makes them better over time. And that mock suppressor end has a small play where the inner barrel rests it tip. The chains/belts not gotten changed though. The small flanges in the chain bores surely damages pellets already when you load the chains up. Damn shame Sig has not yet produced any chains with o-rings in them to hold pellets in place - cuz I've heard some hobbyists even bothered to make such mods on their own.. But, overall: I think the Canebrake is the best option if want a .177 replica rifle by Sig Sauer. Just gotta choose if wanna use both co2 and HPA - or just go this PCP route. The tank's buttpiece though: looks similar to the one on the Virtus. So, do not tighten too much; they've had a tendency to crack/split up.. I personally woulda just want a co2 version - but with all these PCP parts along in a box. Too bad Sig don't give suchan option. You can strip the old co2 version out from many co2 parts at the rear and just add one ASA connector to the rear of it, for it to accept the airtank stock (as seen here as the PCP version) - which is way cool (if you are as deep into these Sig replica rifles as I am that is😆).. But, enough of this yappin' for now...🤣🤣 A massive Thank You to Andy and crew once again!
Lovely start to my Friday and weekend. Good morning all. Good to see an old friend being reviewed. I have the MK1 CO2 but with a best fittings PCP conversion and it is still great fun and awesome for accurate plinking.
Now that looks like a lot of fun! As always, a cracking review. I've just jumped into the world of PCP, and your reviews were a great help in my choice of rifle. Thanks for providing such helpful info.
Have had mine for a few years now and mine had the trigger non returning, I see yours has the return spring (mine now has a return spring) my butt plate split where it clamps up (no I did not overtighten the bolt) I removed the bolt and substituted a circlip stillgives a lot of fun!
Hello Andy, even if I look to all your videos, it's my first comment. I own one these MCX for several months now and I really enjoy it. It's my favorite semi auto plinker rifle ! (Until I can test an eventualy buy a semi auto Invader or a Blitz full auto both from Hatsan...) Thank you from France for all your wonderful reviews and vidéos !
Hello. Nice review thank you 👍🏻 I own the MCX Virtus PCP chambered in 5.5 and it's quite the same: it's obvious that they're both made for plinking and not for precision. I made a review on my channel and since I've done some modifications: I changed the 800psi regulator with a 1200psi output and now I have between 19 and 20 joules. An advise: when you file the pellets in the chain dont forget to use the tool to push them, it will increase the accuracy. I really apreciate your video 😉
Morning Andy another great video of a fantastic gun seeing this version brings back memories of when I had a sig MCX when they first came out ,and I fitted a air through softair ar15 style rear stock and a hpa bottle with a quick release hose and boy what fun I had down on the range with it ,and yes spare magerzines are needed or better still spares belts would easier ,
Good morning all from a frosty St. Helen’s. Thanks to Andy and the AAR team for another great review. I understand guns like this are made to be replicas of an existing rifle, but I see no reason why what is essentially a pcp rifle can’t be closer to full power and more accurate. Modern manufacturing techniques, cnc machines etc almost make this easy. I know Andy described it as a fun gun and a plinker but it just dosent need to be.
No, if it's like the others it's built to a price and is all cast metal, that really doesn't hold a tight tolerance. That said, at least they included the trigger return spring this time 😮
The rifle is really intended for real steal MCX owners to train anywhere without spending a small fortune on ammo, which means drills and practical shooting at close range where air rifle type hyper accuracy does not really matter.
I wouldn’t touch any Sig pellet rifle. The mcx/mpx are notorious for jams and problems. Had 3 in the space of a year, they all failed within the first 500-1000 shots. Also I’m fairly sure they only used to guarantee it up to 15,000 shots. They look great, and are fun while they work, but bring you nothing but frustration when they don’t. Avoid.
@@charlesflint9048jammed? The mag? Poke the pellet back into the belt with a long stick while pressing down the mag release button and pulling the mag down. Oughta work. My old MCX jammed wadcutter pellets way often at the breech just in front of the mag when it all was new.
Great looking gun, shame about it being under powered, it's bad enough being restricted to 12ft-lb with out manufacturers producing guns even lower powered!
yes it is, its exacly 12 inches in length and 11mm in outer diameter. its not the best barrel out there and what doesn't help even more is that it's quite loosely fitted, to have a better accuracy you have to strip it down and JB-weld it al the outer and inner fittings (it screws into a bracket rifle side, and pushes into an oversized bore at the end of the mock supressor the other side). I ended up replacing that barrel with a slightly longer 4.4mm ID smoothbore so I can shoot umarex steel BBs (they're 4.35mm exactly) because steel BBs at 800+ fps offer very good penetration and is quite fun for plinking purposes. I own a PCP converted CO2 version of a Canebrake that I have fitted a regulator and a 200cc bottle myself. regulator is set at 1400 psi which is higher than 1100 psi used in a factory fitted Virtus/Canebrake PCP rifles. Using a higher than recommended pressures may lead to pipework on the feed system bending out, so I JB-welded all the loose connections and pipes so they dont overexpand. Its an overly complicated rifle with a lot of sophisticated design features and it has a reputation for being unreliable. But I have a thing for turning CO2 rifles into regulated pcps, own over 10 of different rifles and handguns that I remade into PCP/HPA with a vastly improved ballistics than their original co2 counterparts yet still fully within UK legal limits.
if you sort out the barrel wobble of stock 12 inch barrel you will get a much better grouping especially on a pcp setup. the only thing you can't sort out on this rifle is a shot to shot consistency - you got one shot doing 710 fps and the other 620, 660 etc. the deviation is quite significant and I haven't found a solution for it. its the biggest factor of a poor accuracy of this rifle.
My worry with these having owned all the models is the reliability ..they work for a bit and then they break and they have to be taken apart to fix a very over complicated and not well engineered system to work again for another 20 mins and then repeat! They look good they feel good but the innards are crap1
For approx £400 you can get a gamo phox or gx40 both bsa based rifles and both would run rings round this. It’s a great looking rifle but there is no need to be “just a plinker” the power is basically a heavier hammer spring or at worst a small reworking of the knock open valve and I’ve seen better accuracy out of a basic entry level £150 springer. It could look great and perform for no more money.
A .22 calibre and longer barrel might be a good paper target gun, no? I really dont understand why manufacturers don't do more realistic PCP TARGET capable military replicas: even and specially replicas of old school weapons like Lee Enfield, , mausers, mosins, garands, M14, G3. Would make more sense to buy them than deactivated guns i would say.
I agree. What rifles would you like replicated? Some are already out there, like the Winchesters and the Lee Enfield. How about the FN rifle, or Sharps Rifle?
Goodmorning all! Friday, a coffee, Andy's review, who needs more? Have a nice weekend you all!
Was an awesome surprise to see this Sig Sauer's Rattler Canebrake PCP version getting a review on AAR!! I for sure did not expect that.❤
I've been a big Sig fan since the og co2 MCX came out in 2016. I've got now the .177 co2 MCX, MPX, the Canebrake - and the .22 Virtus PCP, as Sig rifles go. Love them all, even though the Canebrake and Virtus easily are my favorites due their better build for power.
My co2 Canebrake I HPAd with separately bought 10ci tank (to keep buttstock length short) setup parts and adapter and is at 11.5fpe - so yet under that 12fpe limit. And thus I was kinda interested to see what numbers Andy got here - now when the UK Sig PCP even got the tank and regulator from Sig that it was supposed to get (unlike it was with the UK Virtus release and it's black, unbranded airtank setup)...
The best update on this one I guess must be the grip - because the small and odd feeling original one been changed now out to one similar to the grip that the Virtus has.
None of these can be fullauto btw - they're basically a long DA (trigger moves the chain and the sear) revolver with a chain instead of a cylinder.
For outta the box and out to the 30 metres that was way good! The Sig barrels never been high in quality, so working them in surely makes them better over time. And that mock suppressor end has a small play where the inner barrel rests it tip. The chains/belts not gotten changed though. The small flanges in the chain bores surely damages pellets already when you load the chains up. Damn shame Sig has not yet produced any chains with o-rings in them to hold pellets in place - cuz I've heard some hobbyists even bothered to make such mods on their own..
But, overall: I think the Canebrake is the best option if want a .177 replica rifle by Sig Sauer. Just gotta choose if wanna use both co2 and HPA - or just go this PCP route. The tank's buttpiece though: looks similar to the one on the Virtus. So, do not tighten too much; they've had a tendency to crack/split up..
I personally woulda just want a co2 version - but with all these PCP parts along in a box. Too bad Sig don't give suchan option. You can strip the old co2 version out from many co2 parts at the rear and just add one ASA connector to the rear of it, for it to accept the airtank stock (as seen here as the PCP version) - which is way cool (if you are as deep into these Sig replica rifles as I am that is😆).. But, enough of this yappin' for now...🤣🤣
A massive Thank You to Andy and crew once again!
Andy your just a big kid at heart. Enjoyed this video
Lovely start to my Friday and weekend. Good morning all. Good to see an old friend being reviewed. I have the MK1 CO2 but with a best fittings PCP conversion and it is still great fun and awesome for accurate plinking.
Great review, and this would put a smile on my face , a lot of fun
Great review love all the reviews you do in just a nice wave from across the pond from the US keep up the great work
Thanks
Now that looks like a lot of fun! As always, a cracking review.
I've just jumped into the world of PCP, and your reviews were a great help in my choice of rifle. Thanks for providing such helpful info.
Morning from NZ 👍
Keep em coming Andy
Glad to see it doesn't have the odd trigger reset of the Virtus.
Have had mine for a few years now and mine had the trigger non returning, I see yours has the return spring (mine now has a return spring) my butt plate split where it clamps up (no I did not overtighten the bolt) I removed the bolt and substituted a circlip stillgives a lot of fun!
Just purchased one a couple of days ago from Vector air
Hello Andy, even if I look to all your videos, it's my first comment. I own one these MCX for several months now and I really enjoy it. It's my favorite semi auto plinker rifle ! (Until I can test an eventualy buy a semi auto Invader or a Blitz full auto both from Hatsan...)
Thank you from France for all your wonderful reviews and vidéos !
Ne perds ni ton temps ni ton argent avec un Invader, le full auto du Blitz est tellement plus satisfaisant !
Hello. Nice review thank you 👍🏻
I own the MCX Virtus PCP chambered in 5.5 and it's quite the same: it's obvious that they're both made for plinking and not for precision. I made a review on my channel and since I've done some modifications: I changed the 800psi regulator with a 1200psi output and now I have between 19 and 20 joules.
An advise: when you file the pellets in the chain dont forget to use the tool to push them, it will increase the accuracy. I really apreciate your video 😉
It's about time we were allowed to have full auto with air guns. We already have 12ft for rifles and 6ft for pistols. That's enough.
They'll probably ban those by 2030
Crosman AK Is full auto. But dual 12g. Even in the US, I don’t know of any full auto .177 MCX Rattler Canebrake
@ we don't get any full auto here.
Morning Andy another great video of a fantastic gun seeing this version brings back memories of when I had a sig MCX when they first came out ,and I fitted a air through softair ar15 style rear stock and a hpa bottle with a quick release hose and boy what fun I had down on the range with it ,and yes spare magerzines are needed or better still spares belts would easier ,
Another great production
Good morning to you all, weather good for plinking,but my bottle is boggered up.
Coffee in stead
Nice one Andy usual high standard
After discovering your channel I've bought the kral NP03 and I'm really enjoying it. 👍❤️🇬🇧
Aaah Andy has started my weekend mood :)
I think it would have looked better if it had some sort of stock cover over the bottle but it still looks like fun.
great review to start off the day.....
Awesome. I'd love to have one of those for my channel
Another great video!
Good morning all from a frosty St. Helen’s. Thanks to Andy and the AAR team for another great review.
I understand guns like this are made to be replicas of an existing rifle, but I see no reason why what is essentially a pcp rifle can’t be closer to full power and more accurate. Modern manufacturing techniques, cnc machines etc almost make this easy. I know Andy described it as a fun gun and a plinker but it just dosent need to be.
Maybe Sig thought at that overall weight, no-one would be lugging it about in a field for pest control, so, didn't make it 11ft/lbs+ ?
No, if it's like the others it's built to a price and is all cast metal, that really doesn't hold a tight tolerance.
That said, at least they included the trigger return spring this time 😮
Another great video Andy
Good to see ya pal. Nice one 🫡
Normally a replica fan. But like the look of that and at that price point I don't think it's too shabby...
the first co2 models all had malfunctions and broke. Have the problems been solved?
True, insides are weak and impossible to get spares.
Except for the Canebrake which is really solid. Probably why that is the one they PCP'd
That looks fun.
Ahhhh there are so many toys i want to buy at the moment this is definitely going on the list. A nice carbon fibre bottle would also be nice
I like it. I like it alot
Much the same result as the Sig virtus, but without the rubber band(?).
Nice review I’m gonna pick one up for me and my son to enjoy together.
The rifle is really intended for real steal MCX owners to train anywhere without spending a small fortune on ammo, which means drills and practical shooting at close range where air rifle type hyper accuracy does not really matter.
The co2 version was garbage, leaking profusely after about 500 shots.
I'd then more than gladly have anyones garbage co2 version - leaky or not.
That has deffo got my attention. Looks nice 😊
👍🏴😁✌️
I wouldn’t touch any Sig pellet rifle.
The mcx/mpx are notorious for jams and problems. Had 3 in the space of a year, they all failed within the first 500-1000 shots. Also I’m fairly sure they only used to guarantee it up to 15,000 shots. They look great, and are fun while they work, but bring you nothing but frustration when they don’t. Avoid.
I have an MPX, jammed and just sitting in its box.
@@charlesflint9048jammed? The mag? Poke the pellet back into the belt with a long stick while pressing down the mag release button and pulling the mag down. Oughta work.
My old MCX jammed wadcutter pellets way often at the breech just in front of the mag when it all was new.
Next question does it come in full back oppose to the two tone and can you get the power up into the 11s but remain sub 12
Great looking gun, shame about it being under powered, it's bad enough being restricted to 12ft-lb with out manufacturers producing guns even lower powered!
So is this a .177 bb thing or a proppa pellet firing rifle
hi andy waiting for your opinion of the fx drs fantastic rifle puchased one today best rifle on the market . 😁😁😁😁
Is a dogle good or bad
Hi has that got a rifled barrel
Thanks
Hi Andy what was the scope you put on this, looks neat
When will this become available? Can’t find it anywhere
Is the barrel rifled Andy?
yes it is, its exacly 12 inches in length and 11mm in outer diameter. its not the best barrel out there and what doesn't help even more is that it's quite loosely fitted, to have a better accuracy you have to strip it down and JB-weld it al the outer and inner fittings (it screws into a bracket rifle side, and pushes into an oversized bore at the end of the mock supressor the other side). I ended up replacing that barrel with a slightly longer 4.4mm ID smoothbore so I can shoot umarex steel BBs (they're 4.35mm exactly) because steel BBs at 800+ fps offer very good penetration and is quite fun for plinking purposes. I own a PCP converted CO2 version of a Canebrake that I have fitted a regulator and a 200cc bottle myself. regulator is set at 1400 psi which is higher than 1100 psi used in a factory fitted Virtus/Canebrake PCP rifles. Using a higher than recommended pressures may lead to pipework on the feed system bending out, so I JB-welded all the loose connections and pipes so they dont overexpand. Its an overly complicated rifle with a lot of sophisticated design features and it has a reputation for being unreliable. But I have a thing for turning CO2 rifles into regulated pcps, own over 10 of different rifles and handguns that I remade into PCP/HPA with a vastly improved ballistics than their original co2 counterparts yet still fully within UK legal limits.
if you sort out the barrel wobble of stock 12 inch barrel you will get a much better grouping especially on a pcp setup. the only thing you can't sort out on this rifle is a shot to shot consistency - you got one shot doing 710 fps and the other 620, 660 etc. the deviation is quite significant and I haven't found a solution for it. its the biggest factor of a poor accuracy of this rifle.
@@antonandreevich5838
Good response. I concur.
that would be awsome
My worry with these having owned all the models is the reliability ..they work for a bit and then they break and they have to be taken apart to fix a very over complicated and not well engineered system to work again for another 20 mins and then repeat! They look good they feel good but the innards are crap1
C02 for me
It’s a shame that the magazine is not the same size as the real gun.
Going to order the can breaker with the regular c02 it just looks to ugly with the tank
Black and Tan, lol…now you’ve got me thirsty!
Lots of AR15 platforms in center fire have plastic magazines these days
Morning all
Why does the mag look like its not for that rifle?
9mm variant
Good morning guys and gals 👍🤠
UK crippled and ugly not for me.
Great review mate shame about the gun for a £400 pcp probably save another £200 and bye a second hand R10 BSA a real pcp miles ahead of this 😊.
For approx £400 you can get a gamo phox or gx40 both bsa based rifles and both would run rings round this. It’s a great looking rifle but there is no need to be “just a plinker” the power is basically a heavier hammer spring or at worst a small reworking of the knock open valve and I’ve seen better accuracy out of a basic entry level £150 springer. It could look great and perform for no more money.
Nice!
AR15 mags are mostly plastic
Man it seem like it got no power
Would get one, but the magazine just looks like they nabbed it off something else & completely ruins the look.
A .22 calibre and longer barrel might be a good paper target gun, no? I really dont understand why manufacturers don't do more realistic PCP TARGET capable military replicas: even and specially replicas of old school weapons like Lee Enfield, , mausers, mosins, garands, M14, G3. Would make more sense to buy them than deactivated guns i would say.
Who on earth is paying that kind of money for this?
Why is the mag so tiny? Ruins the replica look
I'll Pass
Why would they make a replica of an awful rifle that noone would want?
I agree. What rifles would you like replicated? Some are already out there, like the Winchesters and the Lee Enfield. How about the FN rifle, or Sharps Rifle?
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Clearly in UK we can't be trusted with full auto 😒
WHY SO HEAVEY??
Not keen on the plastic magazine, an obvious weak point
Be a cannny ratter
Utter Tripe
1
A replica.......period!!
all of the sig airgun models are junk
Sorry not my cup of tea.
Good looking but lacks accuracy as seen in the video.