I disagree with Fr. Bonaventure Chapman. When I learned that the poor miss most of all being noticed and talked to, I make it a point to say hello or good morning and look them in the eye. When I offer them food, I ask them first, "Would it be ok with you if I gave you this apple I have etc." I have been doing this for more than 20 years and I have only had one person say no. If it's someone I will see in my life weekly, I ask them their name and introduce myself. God is in the details. It's not difficult. Thanks for letting me share this.
I agree with you and disagree with him too. There is a lot.of.need to see the greatness of human beings, whether they are poors or not, in my opinion we need to learn more deeply about humanity, and for.some.people less deepness in theology and more deepness on real humanity, so both theology and humanity studies on this times can be really believable
I used to work in social services and people often asked me and still do how I reacted to the idea of people abusing the charity we provided. For me, I do good because it is good for me to do good not because it is good for the other person to receive good. It’s is good for them to receive good but that is secondary. If I give charity to someone and they abuse that charity that is for them to address not me. Obviously we need to be prudent in all things but in this case to err on the side of charity seems like the better err than the side of stinginess.
I have handed out gift cards to the local coffee shop chain so they can buy a hot drink and sandwich and be able to use a washroom. That way I know they won't use my money for a fix but are fed instead. I think it is a good third option. Thank you Fathers. I love it when Fr Gregory can't stop laughing and Fr Boniventure's sense of humor. This is a challenging topic and you spoke to my heart.
I do this too; my parents both passed and were LOADED with unused gift cards (mostly for places i didn't eat; Red Lobster in Maine?!? 😂) so these went fast. But i find Ca$h is King, still... 😊
There are economically insecure people who are clean & well kempt. They may’ve had “stuff” & fallen on hard times or have a very good clothing pantry. I think for the giver, it’s not necessarily for them to judge with their eyes & viewpoints. Our job is to give, where/how we can & allow God to do His thing-with all. 💙🙏🏻💙
I spend a lot of time in Baltimore City, and this will stick with me when I interact with those I see on my walks. I'll also be sharing this with other friends who spend time downtown! Also--loved the shoutout for Christ in the City. The Baltimore Basilica has a smaller program modeled on it called Source of All Hope!
Hello Baltimore friend 👋 I grew up in Baltimore and spend an hour each week in the adoration chapel at the basilica. Source of all hope is an amazing ministry
We must realize that in our age the poor need the Gospel preached to them above everything else. "Pray ye therefore the Lord...that he send forth labourers into his harvest." (Matt 9:38)
What if the homeless person chooses to be homeless as a lifestyle (provided he has options) and giving alms will enable, even encourage that lifestyle for him and others? Is a Christian still bound to give alms?
If they have chosen to be homeless... they are Doing Something... if it were me, i would take the "Let's see what this person does" and fund their fun ☺️ ... just to see what happens. If they're actually directed by Our Lord... *we're all in for a Good Show!!* 😅
@@tinalettieri there are many ways homelessness harms citizens. Where a grew up there was a homeless encampment right on the cities main water supply. They were contaminating the water with drugs, feces, etc. when it was finally cleared out the soils had to be burned it was so contaminated. Not to mention the crime that is associated with these encampments. The original poster asks a very good question. How do we help someone in need without contributing or enabling sinful behavior? And I’ll add how do show charity to the homeless while protecting the health and well being of everyone else? These are not easy questions.
Kant is wrong. Jesus didn't tell us to defer to the state. He told us many times to care for our brothers and sisters. There was no centralised state in Medieval times. Charity would have been through the family, church or guild, especially the guilds.
People who encounter the poor do and should feel tremendous guilt and shame. It is shameful that we allow people to leave in the conditions they do in the developed world.
if i have food in the car with me i typically give it to them, but ive been burned so many times woman with a walker inching down the side of the road, i start seeing if i have any food and she picks up the walked and goes back down the road to the traffic light to wait for the next red light(she didnt need the walker it was a prop) so many "veterans" people that sit outside with like five kids but if you are mear by around 7pm they hop in a fancy car and drive away
Very poor attitude, yes there are a lot of veterans. Your tone and attitude leaves much to be desired and only God himself can help you. You my friend need more charity than you realize at this time.
i like to give pre-bundled singles, wrapped in a post-it with a joke: "Due to inflation, even donations go up! God bless you!!" 😇🙏🤣 When u make a few of these + keep a few in yr glovebox, you'll always be ready to drop one to someone who needs it!!
If someone on the street is asking you for money and has a 90% chance of using it for drugs, wouldn't it be the more charitable thing to do to spend that same money on a Church organization dedicated to helping these people, or a gift card so they can't use it for drugs?
I can't afford to carry $10. I'm on a fixed income, handicapped, and evidently can't keep up with tax increases. So not that great in one way. Yet there are people that stand outside church asking for money, have a (state) paid for dwelling , utilities included. And they won't go into any church. Their work is begging. Not sure I agree with that.
I disagree with Fr. Bonaventure Chapman. When I learned that the poor miss most of all being noticed and talked to, I make it a point to say hello or good morning and look them in the eye. When I offer them food, I ask them first, "Would it be ok with you if I gave you this apple I have etc." I have been doing this for more than 20 years and I have only had one person say no. If it's someone I will see in my life weekly, I ask them their name and introduce myself. God is in the details. It's not difficult. Thanks for letting me share this.
I agree with you and disagree with him too. There is a lot.of.need to see the greatness of human beings, whether they are poors or not, in my opinion we need to learn more deeply about humanity, and for.some.people less deepness in theology and more deepness on real humanity, so both theology and humanity studies on this times can be really believable
I agree with your perspective, but which thing that Fr Chapman said do you disagree with?
Basic truth if you don’t work you don’t eat.
I used to work in social services and people often asked me and still do how I reacted to the idea of people abusing the charity we provided. For me, I do good because it is good for me to do good not because it is good for the other person to receive good. It’s is good for them to receive good but that is secondary. If I give charity to someone and they abuse that charity that is for them to address not me. Obviously we need to be prudent in all things but in this case to err on the side of charity seems like the better err than the side of stinginess.
I have handed out gift cards to the local coffee shop chain so they can buy a hot drink and sandwich and be able to use a washroom. That way I know they won't use my money for a fix but are fed instead. I think it is a good third option. Thank you Fathers. I love it when Fr Gregory can't stop laughing and Fr Boniventure's sense of humor. This is a challenging topic and you spoke to my heart.
That’s great giving gift cards. 👏🌷
I do this too; my parents both passed and were LOADED with unused gift cards (mostly for places i didn't eat; Red Lobster in Maine?!? 😂) so these went fast. But i find Ca$h is King, still... 😊
Very serious subject and well treated by the fathers, prayers 🙏
I love you Jesus
I just love Fr. Bonaventure and Fr. Gregory's humour! It certainly helps with conversations about serious matters. :) God bless!
There are economically insecure people who are clean & well kempt. They may’ve had “stuff” & fallen on hard times or have a very good clothing pantry. I think for the giver, it’s not necessarily for them to judge with their eyes & viewpoints. Our job is to give, where/how we can & allow God to do His thing-with all.
💙🙏🏻💙
I agree.
same!!
I spend a lot of time in Baltimore City, and this will stick with me when I interact with those I see on my walks. I'll also be sharing this with other friends who spend time downtown!
Also--loved the shoutout for Christ in the City. The Baltimore Basilica has a smaller program modeled on it called Source of All Hope!
Hello Baltimore friend 👋 I grew up in Baltimore and spend an hour each week in the adoration chapel at the basilica. Source of all hope is an amazing ministry
We must realize that in our age the poor need the Gospel preached to them above everything else.
"Pray ye therefore the Lord...that he send forth labourers into his harvest." (Matt 9:38)
Thank you Frs.
I really appreciate this conversation. Thank you for this!
YES to risk of being taken advantage of for the sake of the Gospel (in light of us taking advantage of God)
Franciscan recklessness. I love it. Radical faith. Bold. Boom. Some need to see that to wake up to truth
I tend to course sharing of my resources through my parish church (through its projects to assist those in need), and certain charity organizations.
😆 these guys crack me up
Does this mean I can whisper in the ear of all those who at Mass sit at the end of the pew 'The Eucharist is the Body of Christ, pass it on'
What if the homeless person chooses to be homeless as a lifestyle (provided he has options) and giving alms will enable, even encourage that lifestyle for him and others? Is a Christian still bound to give alms?
If they have chosen to be homeless... they are Doing Something... if it were me, i would take the "Let's see what this person does" and fund their fun ☺️ ... just to see what happens. If they're actually directed by Our Lord... *we're all in for a Good Show!!* 😅
How does his homelessness harm you?
@@tinalettieri there are many ways homelessness harms citizens. Where a grew up there was a homeless encampment right on the cities main water supply. They were contaminating the water with drugs, feces, etc. when it was finally cleared out the soils had to be burned it was so contaminated.
Not to mention the crime that is associated with these encampments.
The original poster asks a very good question. How do we help someone in need without contributing or enabling sinful behavior? And I’ll add how do show charity to the homeless while protecting the health and well being of everyone else?
These are not easy questions.
Kant is wrong. Jesus didn't tell us to defer to the state. He told us many times to care for our brothers and sisters. There was no centralised state in Medieval times. Charity would have been through the family, church or guild, especially the guilds.
People who encounter the poor do and should feel tremendous guilt and shame. It is shameful that we allow people to leave in the conditions they do in the developed world.
if i have food in the car with me i typically give it to them, but ive been burned so many times
woman with a walker inching down the side of the road, i start seeing if i have any food and she picks up the walked and goes back down the road to the traffic light to wait for the next red light(she didnt need the walker it was a prop)
so many "veterans"
people that sit outside with like five kids but if you are mear by around 7pm they hop in a fancy car and drive away
Very poor attitude, yes there are a lot of veterans. Your tone and attitude leaves much to be desired and only God himself can help you. You my friend need more charity than you realize at this time.
i literally said i give them food if i have any?
if i give them the lunch i packed, that is my lunch
where is the poor attitude in me not eating lunch to give them food?
I typically will not give cash but will occasionally. I try to carry mcdonalds gift cards with me to give out
i like to give pre-bundled singles, wrapped in a post-it with a joke: "Due to inflation, even donations go up! God bless you!!" 😇🙏🤣 When u make a few of these + keep a few in yr glovebox, you'll always be ready to drop one to someone who needs it!!
I give and let God sort them out.
If someone on the street is asking you for money and has a 90% chance of using it for drugs, wouldn't it be the more charitable thing to do to spend that same money on a Church organization dedicated to helping these people, or a gift card so they can't use it for drugs?
5:30 ... Uncomfortability... 🤔... 😐... 🤔
I can't afford to carry $10. I'm on a fixed income, handicapped, and evidently can't keep up with tax increases. So not that great in one way. Yet there are people that stand outside church asking for money, have a (state) paid for dwelling , utilities included. And they won't go into any church. Their work is begging. Not sure I agree with that.
I disagree with the good father.