Aelita's and Talon's Rift forms are similar but opposite to each other Aelita's Rift form resembles human but is chaotic and grinning and Talon's Rift form resembles his Braviary and is crying and is in pain
It I had a dollar for every time I fought a melting mutated bird monster near the end of an RPG's evil route, I'd have two dollars. Which isn't a lot, but it's cool that it happened twice.
I just hope Talon wasn't conscious during this. That would have been excruciating, judging by the look of this... thing. His entire body is literally melting/corroding off. That eye doesn't help the image. Knowing that it's possible that End of Night, said by MC to be painless despite its effects, brought him relief and let him pass on... it's just... *_pain_* 🪣
@@Honnojis OH. Oh. If I didn't play speed up I might have caught that... guess I will on Ice Mono and cry double. I first met Talon and I was like "If anything happens to him I'm killing everyone in this room and then myself" Then I get hit with Renegade and NOW THIS- Love the way you guys wrote him in the story, I did not expect to get this attached so quickly :(
You watch as after beating down your former friend, one with nothing left, his greatest friend gone unjustly and his mother set to die, he transforms into a hideous beast, one in infinite pain that begs for release. You don't need to care for the well-being of this person other than for your own self-defense... but why leave them more meaningless pain? After all, if all goes right... everyone ends up the same... without a trace.
ZUMI. OH MY GOD. THIS ONE’S SOMEHOW WORSE. THE POWERFUL ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY OF THE OPENING TRANSFORMING INTO ORIGINAL AXIOM WALTZ, YET MORE POWERFUL. MORE HEARTBREAKING. THOSE STRINGS. OH MY GOD. THIS HURTS SO BAD
Even if we never even saw this guy before now, 3$@9# became one of my favourite characters. My boy did NOT deserve this fate…I don’t know if I have the heart to get this far into the Renegade route
For real i didn't even know the Renagade route existed so ofc my first playthrough was "paragon" bro i couldn't even hanlde my guy being turned to stone Talon is just too cool...
For context, both routes are canon. Spoilers below: The renegade route interceptor gives the paragon route interceptor the red chain, which is used on Tiempa. The paragon route interceptor gives the end of night spell to the renegade route interceptor, who uses it to delete several major characters. What's being set up is likely around the lines of: To get the flourishing timeline, defeat team xen, and break free from karma's control, other timelines are sacrificed. For the paragon interceptor to succeed, the renegade interceptor must destroy their own universe. This is probably why the renegade interceptor starts talking to M2 in the final cutscene of Karma files, taking control away from the player and telling them that this is for their own benefit. They know that the player, if they truly want a happy ending, won't be able to make the sacrifices necessary to win. This is why I'm not convinced that the player themselves is the interceptor, our character has acted on their own accord many times already and has clearly demonstrated that they have agency and autonomy.
@@markpiper6382 When does EoN pass on from paragon to renegade? Been a bit since I played paragon but I don't remember much of them using EoN. Edit: Nvm, looked it up and I see when PA gets it. I still don't remember when it gets passed off like the Red Chain though.
@@TetraLover001 Probably traded to renegade route when it was made. Likely EoN could only be made in paragon but was needed in renegade. Same thing for red chain just the other way around.
and here i thought archetype third heaven gave me depresso espresso i havent seen the bird cutscene yet (the save i did renegade on had florin alive) but man that renegade end scene ?????? it broke me
the highly tragic opening into the rain melody but amplified by the strings...this HURTS. so much. I'm already in great pain now, I don't know how I'm going to handle what happens next...truly, it's all a fate worse then death...
I just want to praise whoever wrote Talon into the story for doing a good job making like him really quickly. My first exposure to his actual in game existence was the paragon route story with Ren. Right afterwards I played up until his death in renegade. As everyone else has been saying, this part of the story succeeded at being really sad. That’s with a new side character Talon who we didn’t know for long. I'm really looking forward to there being some more rift forms of more important characters. I know Aelita started hearing "stop (player)" in her head just like Talon did. Does that mean she's next?
Honestly they made perfect use of Talon, both as a character and as an entity in this multi-timeline story, the one thing more painful than seeing his fate is watching him break down at the realisation that he was tailor-made for it. The world is a game and the developers added him in JUST to live a life of suffering, loss and failure. Of course, with Paragon in mind, that's not true, he has a purpose in the story outside of losing everything and then dying a sad, painful failure, but that's not the Talon you see before you in Renegade, that's someone who got far luckier with the fate you forced upon them.
So beautiful yet tragic at the same time. Even having not played the renegade route yet (doing so in my second playthrough), it’s clear just how much emotion this track conveys.
I have not played this route yet but goddamn I can't wait for the Renegade Route to break me lol I'm gonna be so sad whenever I play through it I have no idea what is up with that thumbnail art. I'm kinda scared to find out but can't wait, this game is wild and I'm absolutely all for it!
What is the name or genre of this art style? I ask because I drew a snake with sharp teeth, swirly eyes, spikes in its back, and a stretching arrow pointing down it's tail mark when I was in high school and that was the only thing I could draw in art class really well. When I saw the thumbnail it reminded me of that drawing back when I was 17 I like to think it was Mayan style, or Egyptian style art but I'm not certain enough still, any info would help.
...if this is going to make me sympathize with crescent, even if the backstory only happens now... I'll be honest i kinda wish we got to meet her village and family in like a flashback chapter
bird-lover loses everything and everyone he cares about, learns that the world is a simulation and he is doomed for pain, suffering and failure then becomes suffering-incarnate only to be promptly erased from existence
Thanks for post this. I was looking for this as I couldn’t find it in the game files. Was a pretty cool moment to play, bird was a pain to fight itemless since it’s a gauntlet… but was a fun time Does this play in the other renegade version of this fight too?
Random question since comments implied something, can Florin even be killed anymore? From what i remember you had to inform Cassandra to get him killed, but i didnt even see her in this version, so what gives? Is it now dependant on doing the Temple in Terajuma with the three of them?
Yes, he can still be killed! The conditions for it have changed between versions. You have to go with Erin & Florin, expose Flora to them and let Florin repeatedly attack the Bladestar grunts.
After listening to this theme and the Rain version of this I notice how different they are and I love it so much, really excited to hear this in game in Renegade Route Guess I'll be needing one of these though for that inevitably 🪣 Here, you should take one too, whoever is reading this. 🪣 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Aelita's and Talon's Rift forms are similar but opposite to each other Aelita's Rift form resembles human but is chaotic and grinning and Talon's Rift form resembles his Braviary and is crying and is in pain
She also resembles her (or rather Vivian's) regirock familiar.
It I had a dollar for every time I fought a melting mutated bird monster near the end of an RPG's evil route, I'd have two dollars. Which isn't a lot, but it's cool that it happened twice.
....Martlet Right ?
@@kumaytb2140undertale yellow is a hell of a game. I can’t get past the beginning puzzle. lol.
@@puffles5535 real!
I just hope Talon wasn't conscious during this. That would have been excruciating, judging by the look of this... thing. His entire body is literally melting/corroding off. That eye doesn't help the image.
Knowing that it's possible that End of Night, said by MC to be painless despite its effects, brought him relief and let him pass on... it's just...
*_pain_* 🪣
He was definitely conscious for it. There's bits of text between phases that show him asking the player to end it :)
@@Honnojis OH. Oh. If I didn't play speed up I might have caught that... guess I will on Ice Mono and cry double.
I first met Talon and I was like "If anything happens to him I'm killing everyone in this room and then myself" Then I get hit with Renegade and NOW THIS-
Love the way you guys wrote him in the story, I did not expect to get this attached so quickly :(
You watch as after beating down your former friend, one with nothing left, his greatest friend gone unjustly and his mother set to die, he transforms into a hideous beast, one in infinite pain that begs for release. You don't need to care for the well-being of this person other than for your own self-defense... but why leave them more meaningless pain? After all, if all goes right... everyone ends up the same... without a trace.
ZUMI. OH MY GOD. THIS ONE’S SOMEHOW WORSE. THE POWERFUL ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY OF THE OPENING TRANSFORMING INTO ORIGINAL AXIOM WALTZ, YET MORE POWERFUL. MORE HEARTBREAKING. THOSE STRINGS. OH MY GOD. THIS HURTS SO BAD
Even if we never even saw this guy before now, 3$@9# became one of my favourite characters.
My boy did NOT deserve this fate…I don’t know if I have the heart to get this far into the Renegade route
For real i didn't even know the Renagade route existed so ofc my first playthrough was "paragon" bro i couldn't even hanlde my guy being turned to stone Talon is just too cool...
@@NoTimef_r#@7o8? Who’s that?
For context, both routes are canon. Spoilers below:
The renegade route interceptor gives the paragon route interceptor the red chain, which is used on Tiempa.
The paragon route interceptor gives the end of night spell to the renegade route interceptor, who uses it to delete several major characters.
What's being set up is likely around the lines of: To get the flourishing timeline, defeat team xen, and break free from karma's control, other timelines are sacrificed. For the paragon interceptor to succeed, the renegade interceptor must destroy their own universe. This is probably why the renegade interceptor starts talking to M2 in the final cutscene of Karma files, taking control away from the player and telling them that this is for their own benefit. They know that the player, if they truly want a happy ending, won't be able to make the sacrifices necessary to win. This is why I'm not convinced that the player themselves is the interceptor, our character has acted on their own accord many times already and has clearly demonstrated that they have agency and autonomy.
@@markpiper6382 When does EoN pass on from paragon to renegade? Been a bit since I played paragon but I don't remember much of them using EoN.
Edit: Nvm, looked it up and I see when PA gets it. I still don't remember when it gets passed off like the Red Chain though.
@@TetraLover001 Probably traded to renegade route when it was made. Likely EoN could only be made in paragon but was needed in renegade. Same thing for red chain just the other way around.
and here i thought archetype third heaven gave me depresso espresso
i havent seen the bird cutscene yet (the save i did renegade on had florin alive) but man that renegade end scene ?????? it broke me
Yeah the last scene is honestly the saddest and this bird one despite the fact that I did not really like him the scene was truly sad
In my evil save he was dead so I got to fight the bird. Was pretty cool. Do this track play in the Florin alive version too?
@@pizzacatiscute3658yes, but it doesn’t quite hit as hard (MC just immediately avada kedavras talon and florin after the battle)
the highly tragic opening into the rain melody but amplified by the strings...this HURTS. so much. I'm already in great pain now, I don't know how I'm going to handle what happens next...truly, it's all a fate worse then death...
I just want to praise whoever wrote Talon into the story for doing a good job making like him really quickly. My first exposure to his actual in game existence was the paragon route story with Ren. Right afterwards I played up until his death in renegade. As everyone else has been saying, this part of the story succeeded at being really sad. That’s with a new side character Talon who we didn’t know for long. I'm really looking forward to there being some more rift forms of more important characters. I know Aelita started hearing "stop (player)" in her head just like Talon did. Does that mean she's next?
by the looks of it a rift aelita fight 2.0 is probably inevitable 😭
Oh Heck no not aelita man...
Honestly they made perfect use of Talon, both as a character and as an entity in this multi-timeline story, the one thing more painful than seeing his fate is watching him break down at the realisation that he was tailor-made for it. The world is a game and the developers added him in JUST to live a life of suffering, loss and failure.
Of course, with Paragon in mind, that's not true, he has a purpose in the story outside of losing everything and then dying a sad, painful failure, but that's not the Talon you see before you in Renegade, that's someone who got far luckier with the fate you forced upon them.
Happy 10 years of Rejuv^^
So beautiful yet tragic at the same time. Even having not played the renegade route yet (doing so in my second playthrough), it’s clear just how much emotion this track conveys.
Renegade
Rest in Peace T/$&@
Wait… who was I talking about again?
Adding this to my playlist of silly and not at all heart-wrenching songs to cast [END OF NIGHT] to :')
this is now by far and away my favorite track in the entire game
absolutely peak pathos
I JUST OPENED MY YT NOTIFICATION WHAT IS THAT, I need to complete my sidequests.. (oh and this theme is fire)
I have not played this route yet but goddamn I can't wait for the Renegade Route to break me lol
I'm gonna be so sad whenever I play through it
I have no idea what is up with that thumbnail art. I'm kinda scared to find out but can't wait, this game is wild and I'm absolutely all for it!
Hehe
BEST ROUTE IN THE GAME. (and most painful, but that adds to it) 😭
I hope these get uploaded to Soundcloud. Both versions of Axiom Waltz are great music to listen to while doing other things.
Smiles and all, and nothing less!
renegade spoilers
is the version that plays when MC kills amber just a repitched version of this or a separate track?
it's a repitched version, yes
🪣 pain.
What is the name or genre of this art style?
I ask because I drew a snake with sharp teeth, swirly eyes, spikes in its back, and a stretching arrow pointing down it's tail mark when I was in high school and that was the only thing I could draw in art class really well.
When I saw the thumbnail it reminded me of that drawing back when I was 17
I like to think it was Mayan style, or Egyptian style art but I'm not certain enough still, any info would help.
...if this is going to make me sympathize with crescent, even if the backstory only happens now... I'll be honest i kinda wish we got to meet her village and family in like a flashback chapter
pain
I have no idea what this is but it sounds cool
bird-lover loses everything and everyone he cares about, learns that the world is a simulation and he is doomed for pain, suffering and failure then becomes suffering-incarnate only to be promptly erased from existence
Thanks for post this. I was looking for this as I couldn’t find it in the game files. Was a pretty cool moment to play, bird was a pain to fight itemless since it’s a gauntlet… but was a fun time
Does this play in the other renegade version of this fight too?
it only plays in the scene that follows, where [RENEGADE SPOILERS]
MC kills talon and florin simultaneously
Im trying to find that one Giratina remix that play when we hunt down Karrina and ren any idea?
This one ua-cam.com/video/KJF4HJYDG9s/v-deo.htmlsi=RhOxVNH55y-D1kgc
Meowmere’s giratina theme
man I really wish I could try this game out.. sadly my Mac version doesn't support the game :(
Hi there,
I just wanted to say that I am a really big fan of this track and was wondering if there was sheet music accompanying it?
Regards,
I'd love to provide you with it, but I'm afraid I don't actually have any sheet music for this track :(
@@Honnojis That's no problem at all, I can still enjoy listening to this amazing track right here. You've done a phenomanal job with it!
@@Honnojis En nog een fijne kerst en gezellige feestdagen gewenst.
I can maybe throw something together for a sheet music transcription
@@elrichardo1337 That would be awesome! Definitely reply if you're able to get it done.
No pressure of course, see how things'll work out for ya :)
Random question since comments implied something, can Florin even be killed anymore? From what i remember you had to inform Cassandra to get him killed, but i didnt even see her in this version, so what gives? Is it now dependant on doing the Temple in Terajuma with the three of them?
Yes, he can still be killed! The conditions for it have changed between versions. You have to go with Erin & Florin, expose Flora to them and let Florin repeatedly attack the Bladestar grunts.
this gives vibes from steins;gate
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thank you zumi for ruining my life🙏🙏
Is this from pokemon?
a pokemon fangame specifically! i work on it as the lead artist and as one of the ppl who does music for the game as well :)
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Can't believe i had to kill amber , she's my favourite character 😢
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I hate renegade it make me cry 24/7 and the fact you betrayed your friend i will not be Chara from undertale
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... Wait, what did I get this out for, again?
After listening to this theme and the Rain version of this I notice how different they are and I love it so much, really excited to hear this in game in Renegade Route
Guess I'll be needing one of these though for that inevitably
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Here, you should take one too, whoever is reading this. 🪣
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What is the meme behind the bucket ?
@@lechatgrincheux6381 Have to put your tears somewhere.
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