Here's an easier method that many bands sound like they use: 1) Pick a random number N between 1 and 8. 2) Pick a random song from Meshuggah's Nth album. So if your random number was 5, it's the number of songs on their 5th album. 3) Jump to a random minute of that song. 4) Steal the rhythm, but throw away the notes. 5) Repeat until you have enough riffs for a song.
Hey Mikko, it's today 10th of November 2024 and I'm a drummer who has been trying to learn to play Djent for a while now, quite unsuccessfully. I didn't think that watching somebody program the drums would be very helpful for me because programming the drums and actually playing/practicing the drums (in the moment) are two totally different things. It's very difficult to count four limbs each doing their own thing, each in their own count. HOWEVER: This video has taught me a LOT about what to focus on; the actual structure, and the missing 8th notes at the end of each phrase. I was thinking about it in a totally wrong way and suddenly things have clicked for me. I thank you VERY muchly for this. 🏆
The theory nerd in me should note that this is a polymeter not a polyrhythm. Poly rhythms are when two different time signatures are played at different tempos such that they align on every measure. Polymeter is this sort of thing where two different time signatures are played at the same tempo where they shift out of beat with each other every measure
A polyrhythm has nothing to do with time signatures it’s playing 2 subdivisions that dont line up and yes a polymeter is playing 2 time signatures on top of each other
No no a polyrhythm is any 2 or more rhythms that do not repeat at the same point, they could be different tempos, or have different meters. Poly-meter is when you have 2 different time signatures (or meters) happening simultaneously. Its essentially about counting and the pulses are explicitly locked in. Essentially you hear a rhythm but you feel or count a meter. Typically you would find polyrhythms happening within a poly-meter, and this is why people are confused.
This tutorial was very informative and I can't wait to implement some of your tips to songwriting. I really like how you put your tracking process to show some authenticity, thanks Mikko!
Yeah it's definitely not all on the first take. The point is to try and jam on top with a fake drummer to spark some new ideas. Kind of like recreating what would've happened back in the day with real drummers. :)
I think it goes without saying but GGD is such an insane tool for Djent writing. Even if you have zero riff ideas going in, laying down a china/snare backbeat instantly puts you into the right mindset. This video is a prime example. Making the switch from EZ soon.
This is almost exactly how I write music. Mostly I compose and arrange on guitar pro and then punch the midi drums into EZDrummer and record guitars. Sightly different tools, but same approach.
Thank you so much for this video, I've got back into making in the last few months from back in the Reason 2.0 era, I have zero music talent or education but I love just being able to write tunes ans this video have helped me so much thank you.
Also what can be helpful to your subscribers is to use the half whole diminished for the verse, And wholentone for the chorus and bridge or the whole half diminished for either but opening riffs or verse has gotta be half whole diminished ,also called the octatonic scale. No doubt. U can also throw in phrygian for other tracks,diminished arpeggios
Very cool! Interesting to see your workflow, it's inspiring! Do you use a DI-box or do you plug your guitar directly into a hi-z input on your interface?
I'm not sure how to count & split up the beat. Can you do another video & explain this more in depth please. Would be much appreciated. I'm completely new to this & have no idea how it works or how to figure it out. Thanks!
@1:50 wait what??? You mean we don’t need a 15 string guitar to Djent?!! Reporting the whole IP address. He’s only using 6 strings, wait until the high table finds out about this. (The soft elevator jazz also). Inspiring video,thanks.
The guitarist of meshuggah (Friedrik Thorrendal i guess) was talking with someone about the guitar tone he was seeking. He used the world « djent » to describe it and here we are! (Not a joke)
I love Djent but i hate math.I always loose a rythm.Even if i create riff i can't remember.When drums breake pattern i am in ass.How to fucking count it?
i swear to god if i ever hear you say duhjent again bruh... you have to pretend you're at your girlfriends house while her parents are home. the d is silent...
Miko,thank u for the tutorial but u using software kills the joy....can u do a tutorial using half whole diminished scale and come up with a tutorial to come up with rhythms and their displacements..thats more helpful
I'm very sorry but you actually only started playing the guitar at 11:30 and up until that point just talked about the specs of your guitar and how 'random' the timing is, I mean what useful information is here? Tone? Rhythms? Technique? Harmony? Pacing? Development? This is a beginners drum programming tutorial
Who made you this guitar ? Why do you choose to avoid multiscale ? (Because you really wanted to have evertune ?) The tutorial itself is rather casual which is good for average listener. Not heavy on theoretical part nether technical side. Besides poly part. The sound you presenting is reminding me of 2010 metalcore. Mainly because nowadays playing "like this" is kinda out of fashion. People playing something like that till this very day i dont doubt that. But mostly metalcore scene is heavily shifted towards nu metal/pop/rock crossover. This means alot actually. Genre is mostly the same. I dont know how's modern day kids are affected by todays metalcore. Do they listen to that genre alot or not ? But sudden shift in metalcore sound is for sure caused by the decline in popularity of "old" style of playing. Djent just gone out of fashion. Just look at those bands/artists who adored 7/8/9 string guitars. The gone silent for some years. And now emerged playing vintage tele's and strats singing about good ol days. Time dictates. Change or perish.
Bro you are completely wrong. Bands like Invent Animate, Erra, Currents, Hollow Front, Spiritbox, and MANY more are killing it right now and they are not “silent right now”
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Here's an easier method that many bands sound like they use:
1) Pick a random number N between 1 and 8.
2) Pick a random song from Meshuggah's Nth album. So if your random number was 5, it's the number of songs on their 5th album.
3) Jump to a random minute of that song.
4) Steal the rhythm, but throw away the notes.
5) Repeat until you have enough riffs for a song.
You could directly translate this into Python
Hey Mikko, it's today 10th of November 2024 and I'm a drummer who has been trying to learn to play Djent for a while now, quite unsuccessfully.
I didn't think that watching somebody program the drums would be very helpful for me because programming the drums and actually playing/practicing the drums (in the moment) are two totally different things.
It's very difficult to count four limbs each doing their own thing, each in their own count.
HOWEVER: This video has taught me a LOT about what to focus on; the actual structure, and the missing 8th notes at the end of each phrase. I was thinking about it in a totally wrong way and suddenly things have clicked for me.
I thank you VERY muchly for this. 🏆
You might get some better ideas from watching some of Mike Malyan's videos (experience drummer for Monuments)...he's got some pretty good explanation
The theory nerd in me should note that this is a polymeter not a polyrhythm. Poly rhythms are when two different time signatures are played at different tempos such that they align on every measure. Polymeter is this sort of thing where two different time signatures are played at the same tempo where they shift out of beat with each other every measure
Thanks for making that clear!
A polyrhythm has nothing to do with time signatures it’s playing 2 subdivisions that dont line up and yes a polymeter is playing 2 time signatures on top of each other
No no a polyrhythm is any 2 or more rhythms that do not repeat at the same point, they could be different tempos, or have different meters.
Poly-meter is when you have 2 different time signatures (or meters) happening simultaneously. Its essentially about counting and the pulses are explicitly locked in.
Essentially you hear a rhythm but you feel or count a meter.
Typically you would find polyrhythms happening within a poly-meter, and this is why people are confused.
This tutorial was very informative and I can't wait to implement some of your tips to songwriting. I really like how you put your tracking process to show some authenticity, thanks Mikko!
Yeah it's definitely not all on the first take. The point is to try and jam on top with a fake drummer to spark some new ideas. Kind of like recreating what would've happened back in the day with real drummers. :)
makes djent tutorial
plays jazz in background
Love riff writing tutorials and ideas. Thanks a lot Miko.
I think it goes without saying but GGD is such an insane tool for Djent writing. Even if you have zero riff ideas going in, laying down a china/snare backbeat instantly puts you into the right mindset. This video is a prime example. Making the switch from EZ soon.
This video is very informative. The second half is a bonus with all the fret diagrams. Very cool!
Amazing! You taught things that can sound really complicated, but you explained It in a simple way. Thanks man!!! Nice vídeo 🤟🏽
That snare is going to be deadly in a mix!!!!!
This is almost exactly how I write music. Mostly I compose and arrange on guitar pro and then punch the midi drums into EZDrummer and record guitars. Sightly different tools, but same approach.
Happy to hear I'm not alone! :)
Ah yes, good old Guitar Pro 5.2
@@BenTen182 The best of versions.
I used to use GP all the time 😂. Was thinking of getting GP 8 as I've got back into guitar
1)Eat lots of beans
2)You got the riffs
Thank you so much for this video, I've got back into making in the last few months from back in the Reason 2.0 era, I have zero music talent or education but I love just being able to write tunes ans this video have helped me so much thank you.
Really interesting - thanks Mikko.
Your riffs are so catchy! Thanks for this tutorial
“Already it sounds like Dream Theater” LOL!
I'm currently djenting on a 6 string short scale in standard, but I have a good pitch shifter....
I *think* it works? 😂
always great content!
thanks!
Cool system! Thank you for sharing.
Definitely gave some insight into odd time signatures and how to round them off in 4/4
This is a really cool method, thanks for the video!
I love that you included the tracking part😍
Also what can be helpful to your subscribers is to use the half whole diminished for the verse,
And wholentone for the chorus and bridge or the whole half diminished for either but opening riffs or verse has gotta be half whole diminished ,also called the octatonic scale. No doubt.
U can also throw in phrygian for other tracks,diminished arpeggios
Yes I can feel that “umami” effect 🤣 jokes apart it’s very interesting, I have to try. Thank you ❤
Also don't forget the ambient guitars in the background! :D
Aww man completely forgot about that wet reverb :D
I like the way you explain things..
That was really interesting and informative thing
Thanks sir..😊😊
Great stuff, thanks!
Nice work. This tutorial was very useful.
Definitely not alone, I tap-tempo stuff like that all the time! :)
That's awesome!! Phew so I'm not a weirdo and it's official.
Thank you Mikko!!
Great vid! Lots of practical tips.
I like the soft jazz over the heavy Djent playing
Rakkautta jenttiin!!!
Very cool! Interesting to see your workflow, it's inspiring! Do you use a DI-box or do you plug your guitar directly into a hi-z input on your interface?
I'm not sure how to count & split up the beat. Can you do another video & explain this more in depth please. Would be much appreciated. I'm completely new to this & have no idea how it works or how to figure it out. Thanks!
Can we use a non baritone guitar? 😊
How’d you play that thing at 12:15
Really interesting approach
Thanks a lot. It will help me a lot 🙏🏻
I always write my songs from feelings
I loved it. I didn't hate it though.Power driven.TY
Awesome, You brought up the baritone thing. I'm not sure enough people understand lol. Lots of strings not being used on 7 -9 string guitars! 😂
What is that guitar brand? I didn't found it googling so far?!
That's Mikko's custom-built guitar! There's a two-part series on the build process if you're interested.
-Kai
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@@mlsoundlab Cool. Thank you 🙏🏻
I do the same thing when I’m trying to create riffs.
How’d you get your drums to sound like that, could you do a short tutorial video? I have GGD but just doesn’t hit like this video does
What thickness of strings do you have?
Great video!
@1:50 wait what??? You mean we don’t need a 15 string guitar to Djent?!! Reporting the whole IP address. He’s only using 6 strings, wait until the high table finds out about this. (The soft elevator jazz also). Inspiring video,thanks.
what the best tuning for djent ?
a djent tutorial with easy listening jazz in the background??? WTF
What does djent mean?
Nothing I suppose. It's a current genre of progressive metal.
The guitarist of meshuggah (Friedrik Thorrendal i guess) was talking with someone about the guitar tone he was seeking. He used the world « djent » to describe it and here we are! (Not a joke)
I just make a simple beat create the song with the beat and then edit the drums once the guitars recorded
Great video Bro!!! Very informative! Keep djenting! :-)
What are using to get the bpm?
Very simple 'polyrythmic'
yeah right!! 🌚
I love Djent but i hate math.I always loose a rythm.Even if i create riff i can't remember.When drums breake pattern i am in ass.How to fucking count it?
How to djent: Djon't.
i swear to god if i ever hear you say duhjent again bruh... you have to pretend you're at your girlfriends house while her parents are home.
the d is silent...
What tuning are you in bro?
G standard. :D Probably don't hear that every day.
@@mlsoundlab sounds killer
show me how to do Finnish heavy metal as you use 6 string guitar anyway
Ha - ironically I'm not sure if there's a system for that. Rip off Pantera riffs? That's probably it. :D
@@mlsoundlab nah, more like rip off Tarot and Lordi lmao
Miko,thank u for the tutorial but u using software kills the joy....can u do a tutorial using half whole diminished scale and come up with a tutorial to come up with rhythms and their displacements..thats more helpful
Diminished scale...nope > arpeggio
also try djen.co
I'm very sorry but you actually only started playing the guitar at 11:30 and up until that point just talked about the specs of your guitar and how 'random' the timing is, I mean what useful information is here? Tone? Rhythms? Technique? Harmony? Pacing? Development? This is a beginners drum programming tutorial
Who made you this guitar ? Why do you choose to avoid multiscale ? (Because you really wanted to have evertune ?) The tutorial itself is rather casual which is good for average listener. Not heavy on theoretical part nether technical side. Besides poly part. The sound you presenting is reminding me of 2010 metalcore. Mainly because nowadays playing "like this" is kinda out of fashion. People playing something like that till this very day i dont doubt that. But mostly metalcore scene is heavily shifted towards nu metal/pop/rock crossover. This means alot actually. Genre is mostly the same. I dont know how's modern day kids are affected by todays metalcore. Do they listen to that genre alot or not ? But sudden shift in metalcore sound is for sure caused by the decline in popularity of "old" style of playing. Djent just gone out of fashion. Just look at those bands/artists who adored 7/8/9 string guitars. The gone silent for some years. And now emerged playing vintage tele's and strats singing about good ol days. Time dictates. Change or perish.
Bro you are completely wrong. Bands like Invent Animate, Erra, Currents, Hollow Front, Spiritbox, and MANY more are killing it right now and they are not “silent right now”
too slow......and too much talk