"Afro Blue" by Malcolm Braff (piano) & Stéphane Galland (drums) Try-out concert in a private space May 2015 stephanegalland11 stephanegalland8 www.malcolmbraff.net
amazing, are you feeling this in 423 / gnawa swing or something else?
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Hi, it's just a 4/4 beat, but the subdivision is basically quintuplet. And the "swing" feel is coming from a 3 feel in those quintuplets. 1-23- 1-23- 1-23- 1-23- ... Hope that helps. :-)
Subdividing quintuplets into triplets. Woah. At 90bpm that's 1.5 quarter notes per second × 5 quintuplets per second × 3 triplets per quintuplet. That's 22.5Hz loll
oh ok no I completely misunderstood. You're playing a three feel but using quintuplets as your grid so it sounds kinda "late". In other words you're playing quintuplets 1, 3 and 4 and leaving 2 and 5 as rests?
ONE two three FOUR five -- one TWO three four FIVE -- one two THREE etc... etc... The whole polyrhythm does full cycle every three quintuplets (or beats).
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Hi @@koroespinacas , yeah indeed, this is kind of the basic "groove" of it, 1, 3 & 4 of the quintuplet can be apprehend as a ternary feel but irregular. So we can drift between a real quintuplet subdivision and a irregular ternary feel, and what Malcolm Braff is calling "Morphing" so that this irregular ternary subdivision can morph into a regular ternary. It's a very "organic" way of getting used to changing subdivisions. Going from Quintuplet to triplet: from the quintuplet you play only 1,3 & 4, and take these three irregular subdivions and make them little by little regular. Hope it's clear... ;-)
Hi there, comgratulations for your musical proposal, it breathes freshness to music, you can see things happening in thoose rythms that can express tons of new things. If you like you can check this preformace of us (search for ‘silent band sarria crs’) we’re a collective that aim to have free improvIsation as a core of our firs steps on music, we use rythm in a particular way as well.
Nah mayne, it's a dude outside the camera view who's just fucking sick at predicting when Mr. Galland is about to hit the bass drum. His task is harder even than Galland's, and that's quite something.
Hi, what kind of effect is used for the bassdrum ? it's sounds like an electric bass note..
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Hi Roberto, there's a trigger on the BD, but Malcolm is choosing what to do with it. In this case I think it's the actual sound of the bass drum going through a module and making a real "pitched note"
Hm... I'm not convinced it's a good direction in music to sound at times as if one didn't know how to play, however amazingly technical and difficult it actually is.
krzyszwojciech it sounds like your opinion is informed more by western music. Rhythms and harmonies like this are common in Afro music and not at all “strange”, so I think your take marginalizes other cultures creative processes.
@@vvviiixxx8745 The statement you made here, vvviiixxx, is not related to the music. You accuse krzyszwojciech that she or he (?) is marginalizing other cultures creative processes which is nothing but a little bit impolite and clearly as well a non-scientific claim. krzyszwojciech just sais she/he doesn't like the direction music takes in this video and makes the subjective comment that it over all sounds like this musicians wouldn't know how to play. But krzyszwojciec mentions as well that it's technical amazingly difficult, so therefore she/he doesn't discreditate this performance at all! Attention! I myself sometimes make music on this abstract rhythmical level or in better words; universe / aesthetic field. And I must admit, that very often this musical approach can sound like "odd" or "wrong". Music can be felt in VARIOUS ways...as various as we have alive and hearing human beings in this world - There are people who hear "only" the over all image of a piece of music, so they here the over all picture of "how does this sound to me". And in this case, I must admit, I myself would also say it sounds like "wrong", "nervous", "odd". But: the ones who instantly enter into this ecstatic rhythm and flow and totally "dig" this as a repetitive and intense sort of "dance", for them it doesn't sound "wrong". For me personally, it sounds like home! But it MUST stay allowed to listen to this and say: this sounds "strange" to me and point. Art must stay neutral and for and by itself. Any statement around the core of what something "is" to someone, must be accepted. The super old an boring discussion about "Africa" or "Europe"....let's go beyond this. This is super super outdated. There is no Africa and Europe, there is only human expression. And I'm convinced this counts as well for musical expression AND hearing. You play, you give -> you listen, you take. So: If your salad tastes like shit to me; I take it ones and never again. Must be allowed! Let's keep it profoundly liberal and modern, not only half-modern.
Yves Theiler I disagree, respectfully. The heritage of this music is absolutely important. While they may have acknowledged that the music is difficult, their claim that it is not the “right direction” for music is an opinion posited as a truth. This sucks the life out of music more than “complication” does, which is to say that to put such a tax on musical expression is diminutive towards its origins as well as its further iterations. And, my point was not to try to argue over an opinion, but rather to counteract the unfamiliarity of the musical origins, which despite your claims of unimportance, are actually extremely significant. Understanding the history of musical styles, such as the playfulness of complex rhythms found in Afro music, due to the perception of it as almost a game in their culture, sheds some light on how this “complex” music is a labor of love, and the direction which in it is heading is at its core fun and progressive.
vvviiixxx Again: 2020! From where do you know this listener is not aware of the musical origin of certain influences in this performance? :-D From what do you read this? The counteract what exactly? This duo plays in a very modern way and this listener doesn‘t like this direction of aesthetic developement. Therefore he would by the way neither like my music and thats totally fine with me, don‘t give a damn! :-D
I'd say it's, for some, more like listening to a very foreign language for the first time. Until you start to pick up some of the words and cadences it doesn't make much sense. That doesn't mean it is good or bad, clever or simple, just different to your current experience. What you do with or about that is up to you
David Bruce brought me here and I'm grateful
this is the wildest shit I've seeing in the last months
Incredible, the feels!
Vous êtes magiques ! des anges avec une grosse caisse reliée à un clavier maître c'est génial !!!
who knew michel foucault could play the drums at such a high level
j'écoute encore cette version 8 ans plus tard !
sorry for being late to the party.
i think i fell in love.
That's alright, just glad you made it
Fantastic job thanks
You ever have a sudden Brit break-beat at the end of your 8-minute jazz improv song 7:20-7:45
the best second of this song imo
this is good.
I assume both of you will be donating your brains to science?
:-))
Amazing
Christ what a tune, my brain oww my braaaiiin
Afro Blue with a Monk twist to it ...............
amazing, are you feeling this in 423 / gnawa swing or something else?
Hi, it's just a 4/4 beat, but the subdivision is basically quintuplet. And the "swing" feel is coming from a 3 feel in those quintuplets. 1-23- 1-23- 1-23- 1-23- ... Hope that helps. :-)
Subdividing quintuplets into triplets. Woah. At 90bpm that's 1.5 quarter notes per second × 5 quintuplets per second × 3 triplets per quintuplet. That's 22.5Hz loll
oh ok no I completely misunderstood. You're playing a three feel but using quintuplets as your grid so it sounds kinda "late". In other words you're playing quintuplets 1, 3 and 4 and leaving 2 and 5 as rests?
ONE two three FOUR five -- one TWO three four FIVE -- one two THREE etc... etc...
The whole polyrhythm does full cycle every three quintuplets (or beats).
Hi @@koroespinacas , yeah indeed, this is kind of the basic "groove" of it, 1, 3 & 4 of the quintuplet can be apprehend as a ternary feel but irregular. So we can drift between a real quintuplet subdivision and a irregular ternary feel, and what Malcolm Braff is calling "Morphing" so that this irregular ternary subdivision can morph into a regular ternary. It's a very "organic" way of getting used to changing subdivisions. Going from Quintuplet to triplet: from the quintuplet you play only 1,3 & 4, and take these three irregular subdivions and make them little by little regular. Hope it's clear... ;-)
Is it just me, or is the bass drum triggering a Low F when he hits it just so...
I'm trying to figure out what that is myself.
An F yes. Must be some trigger on the bass drum.
He's just paying his respects.
jessesmac or in this case Playing his respects!
OMG That Duet killed me
So im guessing this is not in 4/4
Yes it is. But in a quintuplet subdivision feel.
Hi there, comgratulations for your musical proposal, it breathes freshness to music, you can see things happening in thoose rythms that can express tons of new things. If you like you can check this preformace of us (search for ‘silent band sarria crs’) we’re a collective that aim to have free improvIsation as a core of our firs steps on music, we use rythm in a particular way as well.
The bass drum is heaven
A ma zing...
This grooves sooooooooooooo hard. Sacré belge!
Morphing party at 4:40 :-)
This was in 2015. This is impossible, odd subdivisions weren't invented then. I'm calling this out as Fake
:-)))
Its sounds like the bass drum is making ( triggering ) a bassguitar like sound ?
Nah mayne, it's a dude outside the camera view who's just fucking sick at predicting when Mr. Galland is about to hit the bass drum. His task is harder even than Galland's, and that's quite something.
@@c.l.368 it was me, its actually easy. You just use small time travel and each time you hear him you go back and quickly make your hit :)
C. L. It’s a Sun House trigger.
@@c.l.368 :-))))
listening to this once a day keeps the doctor away)
This is the kind of playing people are talking about when they say they don’t like jazz
Hi, what kind of effect is used for the bassdrum ? it's sounds like an electric bass note..
Hi Roberto, there's a trigger on the BD, but Malcolm is choosing what to do with it. In this case I think it's the actual sound of the bass drum going through a module and making a real "pitched note"
Do they have any recorded releases?
Hi threnodies, sorry, no recording of this duet yet. Hopefully in a near future... ;-) Best, Stéphane
It’s better than a recording
my brain exploded
I think I spotted a bum note
Le bassiste est vraiment excellent, quelle osmose avec le batteur sans oublier le clavier 😜bravo
😆
Very nice. Indeed.
your move
kick asses
love it!!
Fantastic performance
Hm... I'm not convinced it's a good direction in music to sound at times as if one didn't know how to play, however amazingly technical and difficult it actually is.
krzyszwojciech it sounds like your opinion is informed more by western music. Rhythms and harmonies like this are common in Afro music and not at all “strange”, so I think your take marginalizes other cultures creative processes.
@@vvviiixxx8745 The statement you made here, vvviiixxx, is not related to the music. You accuse krzyszwojciech that she or he (?) is marginalizing other cultures creative processes which is nothing but a little bit impolite and clearly as well a non-scientific claim. krzyszwojciech just sais she/he doesn't like the direction music takes in this video and makes the subjective comment that it over all sounds like this musicians wouldn't know how to play. But krzyszwojciec mentions as well that it's technical amazingly difficult, so therefore she/he doesn't discreditate this performance at all! Attention! I myself sometimes make music on this abstract rhythmical level or in better words; universe / aesthetic field. And I must admit, that very often this musical approach can sound like "odd" or "wrong". Music can be felt in VARIOUS ways...as various as we have alive and hearing human beings in this world - There are people who hear "only" the over all image of a piece of music, so they here the over all picture of "how does this sound to me". And in this case, I must admit, I myself would also say it sounds like "wrong", "nervous", "odd". But: the ones who instantly enter into this ecstatic rhythm and flow and totally "dig" this as a repetitive and intense sort of "dance", for them it doesn't sound "wrong". For me personally, it sounds like home!
But it MUST stay allowed to listen to this and say: this sounds "strange" to me and point. Art must stay neutral and for and by itself. Any statement around the core of what something "is" to someone, must be accepted. The super old an boring discussion about "Africa" or "Europe"....let's go beyond this. This is super super outdated. There is no Africa and Europe, there is only human expression. And I'm convinced this counts as well for musical expression AND hearing. You play, you give -> you listen, you take. So: If your salad tastes like shit to me; I take it ones and never again. Must be allowed! Let's keep it profoundly liberal and modern, not only half-modern.
Yves Theiler I disagree, respectfully. The heritage of this music is absolutely important. While they may have acknowledged that the music is difficult, their claim that it is not the “right direction” for music is an opinion posited as a truth. This sucks the life out of music more than “complication” does, which is to say that to put such a tax on musical expression is diminutive towards its origins as well as its further iterations. And, my point was not to try to argue over an opinion, but rather to counteract the unfamiliarity of the musical origins, which despite your claims of unimportance, are actually extremely significant. Understanding the history of musical styles, such as the playfulness of complex rhythms found in Afro music, due to the perception of it as almost a game in their culture, sheds some light on how this “complex” music is a labor of love, and the direction which in it is heading is at its core fun and progressive.
vvviiixxx Again: 2020! From where do you know this listener is not aware of the musical origin of certain influences in this performance? :-D From what do you read this? The counteract what exactly? This duo plays in a very modern way and this listener doesn‘t like this direction of aesthetic developement. Therefore he would by the way neither like my music and thats totally fine with me, don‘t give a damn! :-D
I'd say it's, for some, more like listening to a very foreign language for the first time. Until you start to pick up some of the words and cadences it doesn't make much sense. That doesn't mean it is good or bad, clever or simple, just different to your current experience. What you do with or about that is up to you
so thankful