A New Neo Geo FPGA Console - Neo Geo AES & MVS on MiSTer! New Year Countdown #1 | SmokeMonster
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- A Neo Geo super-console with arcade accuracy. MiSTer's open-source core showcases the power and purpose of FPGA emulation. Furrtek delivers.
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Thanks for making these videos public again!
I'm a bit late to the MiSTer train but I have been binging these videos all morning and holy crap. I am going to order the parts soon and I cannot wait. So glad I didn't shell out the money for an Nt mini when I can get all of what I want from that out of a MiSTer and so much more. Awesome work!!
Look at the detail of the Pao Pao Cafe background on KoF'94 @7:55 Modern day KoF doesn't come anywhere near close. The backgrounds from the newer games are like sterile ghost towns.
damn smoke, wtf.
That video was so good, so well done! I wish all Retro Tech videos were cut, scripted, edited and voiced like this. Quick yet informative, exhaustive yet still to the point. Exciting till the very end.
VERY good stuff!!!
Thanks, I'm starting to understand how to get the flow how I want it when I edit. It only took 20 videos to get there XD
@@SmokeMonster Really love the duration of these being under 15minutes - I love your long streams, but just don't have the time to enjoy them for too long !
Thanks again for this quality stuff in bite sized under 15mins videos :)
@@SmokeMonster - yea very enjoyable to watch, big improvement. Have been subbed for over a year I think, but definitely notice the extra polish in this one.
this is a fantastic series .Thanx for all the hard work that went into this series .Also good to see a Cameo of Panther :)
Thanks!! Glad you appreciate Panther's contributions too :)
Even this capture footage of the Neo-Geo games looks really good for some reason
You can really dial in a great look with the right filters and gamma settings.
I finally have my AES, Multicarts, Framemeister…..and then I find out about this.
This is a core that I thought wouldn't interest me that much, but now after playing a few games its one of most favorite cores.
Omg the 🐱 on the controller!
Panther lent a hand with this one :D
Neo Geo is my pick for best new core of 2019. The work Furrtek did over many years de-capping those chips and documenting the hardware, have come to fruition in the best way possible via MiSTer.
Loved the background/FPGA-centric information in this one. Excellent work on these videos smoke, and a great way to close out 2019!
It's a really impressive core, definitely a highlight of 2019 :D
@@SmokeMonster Well deserved #1 - absolutely nailed this video - brilliant work again smoke !! Don't overwork yourself with so many videos in a row next time though!
This series has been incredible! The hard work really shows!
I just ordered a DE10, can't wait.
Thanks!! :D
Thanks for explaining how FPGAs are at least as much "real" hardware as a non-FPGA hardware clone. Neither is automatically perfect, but they have the same potential to be perfect as a traditional ASIC hardware clone.
I tried to explain this to Firebrand X recently when he quoted others who equate it with software emulation. Sure, FPGA doesn't mean it's perfect but there's a huge difference between...
A) replicating the hardware closely enough that the original, unchanged, code can run natively
...versus...
B) code interpreting code intended for another platform and adapting it to an otherwise-incompatible host system (software emulation).
He was skeptical when I said that it was actual hardware, often with every logical element from the original chip having a corresponding arrangement of transistors inside an FPGA (physical hardware). It seemed he was distinguishing FPGA from hardware with "code" so I pointed out that the original chip ASICS (indisputably "hardware") were typically "coded" with an HDL like VHDL or Verilog... just like FPGAs.
It's entirely possible for an FPGA to be more accurate in some ways than official hardware variants. For example, Analogue Super Nt has options to replicate 1chip, launch system timings, etc. Sure, it isn't perfect, but neither was the 1chip. In some ways it's more accurate than the 1chip. ;)
FPGAs are hardware and, thus, hardware clones. It's just software-controlled/arranged/defined hardware. FPGA transistors are still hardware transistors and every 1 and 0 in the original system can exist on the corresponding bus, register, or memory address in an FPGA clone.
I think it's important for someone as influential as you or him to understand this so that we don't misrepresent the idea that FPGA is equivalent to software emulation. Though they are both subject to coding errors, so is "original" hardware like 1chip SNES. Potential for coding errors does not make them equivalent and does not mean it has more in common with software. Flawed FPGA code has more in common with a Pentium that has the math error: Still hardware.
This isn't to bag on emulation. It's just that the fundamental difference is important to understand when we are judging the merits of each.
Great points, Emmett. I try to walk that fine line between overselling FPGA (since a bad implementation is a bad implementation, no matter how the emulation works) vs underselling them. Speaking theoretically, FPGA is the only way to really achieve replica hardware emulation. Now, how many cores will ever reach that point is a questionable, but that is their goal at least and is why I'm so positive about their potential going forward.
Is it possible to have FPGA sits on PCIe, and somehow works/behaves like those ancient MPEG cards in the mid 90s?
@@rashidisw Yes. Though I'm not aware of anyone replicating a hardware MPEG1 decoder, it's definitely possible. That said, there are a ton of off-the-shelf parts that do hardware MPEG decoding so a replica decoder board would likely use one of those with a CPLD.
@@emmettturner9452 I'm kind of guessing here, but I think he means utilizing an FPGA add-in card to add console hardware capabilities to a PC, much like the old MPEG cards added decoding capabilities. Perhaps some sort of mixture of PC software and actual FPGA hardware simulation (I prefer to use the term "simulation" when it comes to FPGA recreations, because the hardware really is trying to simulate the exact functions of the original hardware rather than emulate them).
To add to what you said above, which was a great post by the way, one can kind of think of an FPGA implementation as a clone console. Whereas your traditional clone consoles might not work with every game or run exactly like the original console, with an FPGA you can reprogram the hardware to more accurately replicate the original. With a regular clone console, you're stuck with what you have and it will always have the same bugs.
I'm very positive towards FPGA hardware implementations (I'm a fan of emulation as well, they both have their use cases and advantages), and I think given the amazing community support that these devices have, they will be key to enjoying retro games now and well into the future. They carry the potential not just to perfectly play games but also play them better than the original hardware even did. It's exciting to see what is happening and I look forward to even more amazing stuff in the future.
@@rars0n Ah! ...like a PCI NV1 card for Sega Saturn games, except this is for everything MiSTer supports. ;) That would be kinda cool. Thanks!
It's been a fun ride. Thanks for all the work!
Thanks!! :D
Agreed, thanks for the great countdown videos Smoke Monster. Very fun to watch and you alone sold me on the MiSTer, terasIC probably owes your a pretty penny at this point for helping to wipe its DE-10 Nano’s off their store shelves before the holidays over 😝
I am here for the Owl. Or the Nonymous. Unsure my guy.
@SmokeMonster Ordered a MiSTer last week! Really enjoying your MiSTer-videos while I wait for it to arrive (should be next week). Awesome channel - not only what you say but also your voice is super great! Thankyouverymuch for all your effort!
Crazy to think back when we watched this premier we had no idea we’d be in the middle of a pandemic just a few months later. Wish I had ordered my MiSTer back then like I had originally planned but I guess there’s no time better than the present.
Thank you for all of your hard work! This was the perfect way to end the year!
Thanks, Adam :)
Thank you Smokemonster! These series has been a highlight I have been looking forward to every video everyday! Happy new year!
Thanks so much for watching :D
Thanks for all the hard work putting out this series. It's been great to see all of the capabilities of the MiSTer project. Have a good 2020, and keep on gaming!
Thanks, you too! :D
Great video man, on behalf of the UA-cam viewers, thank you, and we appreciate your hard work 👍💪
Thanks so much :D
Thank-You!
I would love to see a turbo function added to address some of the frame dips; but let's enjoy what we have. These cores are getting better all the time!
Yeah, some kind of CPU Turbo mode might be nice for this core too, I agree :)
Awesome vids, hope to see more mister content in the future.
Great series @Smokemonster! I think it is worth mentionning that Jotego pitched in the Neo Geo core development for the YM2610 sound chip 😎
Yeah, I dropped the ball on that. I'll mention it in a future video though.
An incredible series of videos, loved them and such a cool ending on this one.
Thanks, Pete :D
Amazing job on this series. I've really enjoyed the MiSTer system histories, core development stories, and eye candy over this holiday season. Also, thank you so much for your beautifully organised software collection scripts - they've made these games systems' libraries so much more navigable and have introduced me to a whole world of titles that would've otherwise passed me by (and I thought I was already pretty well-versed!). MiSTer has been, hands-down, the highlight of my gaming life in 2019 - maybe even the last entire last decade - and it seems to have so much in development to look forward to. What a time to be alive!
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it :D
Great series, I've enjoyed watching them all! I just set up my MiSTer last week and it's been nice to have a guided tour through a lot of the things it can do. Looking forward to more in 2020!
Thanks, have fun with it!
Thank you for this serial! Happy New Year!
Thanks, James :D
Thanks for this video and all the others you produced this December (and all the ones before December ofc), great work 🕹
Thanks :)
Great video series! Looking forward to see you continue. Thanks and Happy new year!
Thanks, Bruno :D
Thank you for all the time you put in this series. The videos have been interesting and informative. I hope you have a good start in the new year!
Thanks so much :)
It has been fun watching this series. Many thanks for your efforts.
Thanks for watching :D
I watched this twice it was so damn good. SmokeMonster you sir are awesome. Thank you for making this series. I have been teetering on getting a Mister but now I want one for sure. SO MANY consoles and such it's so dope. Good work bro!
Haha, awesome, thanks!!
Thanks for the series have a well deserved rest and happy new year!!!
Thanks, my holiday flu came just in time for me to barely make it through the series :D
Very happy i found this channel. Fantastic stuff here. Subscribed.
Thanks!
Thank you for the series! Great work! 👏👏👏👏
Thanks much :D
I love my NEO GEO 2 slot and now I can play on the comfort of my couch! Thanks Smoke!!
Yes, Mr is a great supplement to a real setup, and it travels a lot better.
Fenomenal video! Please keep making them! I just stumble upon your channel and like this video content so much that I just subscribed. I know how hard is to make this videos, and as a true fan of the neogeo system I really appreciated it :)
Thanks for your hard work mate!
My pleasure, thanks :D
Thanks for the awesome Mister core videos, great intro to Mister and the functionalities of the individual cores. Happy new year!
Thanks :)
Fantastic video series. Thanks!
Thank you :)
Beautiful series. Thank you for the great work.
Thanks :)
Just wanted to say thanks... for the count down.. can not wait for sellers to have complete kits back on sale... worth it for NEOGEO i think... :)
Thanks! www.misteraddons.com/ will have RAM in stock soon I believe.
Saving the best for last! I'm most excited to play Neo again after selling off my collection years ago. Just got my DE-10 Nano, just waiting for the other parts to arrive!
You're in for a real treat. It's a great experience.
Thanks to you I've learned so much this month, and I think I'll be investing into a new hobby now. Really appreciate all the videos!
Thanks, Adam :)
This series went out with a bang!! Thanks Smoke!!
Thanks for watching, Javier :D
Thanks for all your work, Smoke!
Thanks :D
I didn't know about MiSTer or hardware emulation before your video series, despite being very familiar with 'standard' emulation. Thanks for that. I will be supporting on Patreon.
Thanks so much! :D
Fantastic video series I thoroughly enjoyed! Keep up the great work smokemonster!
Thank you! :D
Awesome video, thank you.
Thanks for all the fantastic effort man! All the best for the new year!
Thanks, to you too :D
Dude! You are the Retro Warrior of our time! Your name will be mentioned to my sons, sure
Such a great series. Thank you!!
Thanks :D
Brilliant series, thank you!!
Decided to take the plunge and build a system.
You won't regret it! :D
Neo Geo and Unibios have always been so intimidating to learn a figure out for me, even with a rpi. Looking forward to tackling it on a Mister one day. Had a lot of of fun this holiday season watching your countdown!
Thanks!
Thanks for your videos on the cores this month Smoke, im sure 2020 will be an even better year for MiSTer :)
Thanks! Yes, 2020 is going to be insane. PCE CD, Atari 7800, CPS-1, possibly PlayStation, a Cave multi-core, Konami arcade games, and a lot more :D
Great video bro, I really enjoyed it. Keep it up.
Thanks :D
Thanks for all of the hard work,,, now get some rest and have a Happy New Year!!
Thanks, I am trying to rest up to get through a flu. Then, more videos :D
Such a good video. I've been playing with this core for a good while, but this video just makes it look so amazing. If I didn't already have a MiSTer I'd want to cut my arm off to get one after this video!!
Thanks, it's such a killer core :D
Have a Happy New Year Mike! These videos were incredibly insightful and I am eager to get my hands on a MiSTer as fast as I can! Thank you so much for all of your hard work from your video to your romsets! I can't wait to see what we get from MiSTer next year!!!
Thanks so much :)
Excellent work, my man.
Thanks :D
Great series SmokeMonster! Thanks for all your hard work :) Happy New Year!!!
Thank you :)
Furrtek is a fucking genius...I've been following him for years. he also did a ym2612 synth (quite impressive thing).
It's true, he's a genius :D
@@SmokeMonster ua-cam.com/video/3tXBjHWnh4Y/v-deo.html
Awesome core to wrap up the count down! And thanks for the shout out of course :)
Thanks! Project Neon is awesome :D
this made me so happy
Amazing series, thanks for the overview of what Mister and FPGAs can do. It's much further along than I thought and it's nice to see FPGA continuing where software emulation of some systems stagnated years back.
Thanks, I had a lot of fun making it :)
Great videos, Smokemonster. Thanks and happy new year to everyone!!!
Thanks, to you to :D
Great work, SM. Enjoyed every episode. I'm giving in and getting a Mister too. It's just a no-brainer from a value standpoint.
Thanks :D I agree!
Great video with lots of general Neo Geo information that I didn't know, thanks! It's just a matter of time beofore I get MiSTer or what ever FPGA solution supercedes it. I still have a backlog of games in my collection to finish first
Thanks! :)
WOW!! This video made me buy the DE-10 Nano and order a 128MB SD RAM module, MiSTer USB hub add-on and IO board. I totally LOVE playing with SBCs and emulating video games. Especially the Neo-Geo Metal Slug series!! Experimenting with FPGA and the MiSTer cores is going to open up a whole new experience for me. I thank you!!! My wallet does not :)
I'm a bad influence :D
I'm watching these now, waiting for my MiSTer to be sent from Ultimate MiSTer and getting pumped for getting into MiSTer. Thanks for these videos, they are a great reference!
I bought a MISTer not long after this coundown. I was completely sold. I hope you didn't regret getting yours :)
@@superviewer it absolutely lives up to the hype. Really pleased with it!
Thanks for the hard work.
Love MiSTer and your channel was the reason i got mine.
Best choice in years.
As my PVM.
Thanks, Cristiano :D
Thanks as always for the in-depth history analysis and for your own take on why FPGAs are so special, especially for gaming. It was really cool hearing how the Neo Geo core came to be, and getting a taste of what Neo Geo is/was since it was completely off of my radar back in the day. I don’t have a single Neo Geo game, but I’m looking forward to trying it for the first time when my system is complete.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :D
Thank you so much for these videos. They were a great present for the build up to the New Year and over Xmas. It was nice to watch these every morning, brightening up my day, to seperate myself from the madness, and to help relax. You have also taught a intermediate Mister user a few tricks....Happy New Year SmokeMonster!! I thank you deeply from my heart for all of your hard work...P.S. Buy a Snac setup if u dont own one! It makes owning an I/O worth it. Madness, SNES adapter works with multitap 0 lag. Also can trade Pokemon with a GB adapter. But loving PCE core with real controllers, again 0 lag. Thanks again for all your dedicated work for our community.
Thanks, Rachel! I'd love a SNAC and plan to get one. I also have a prototype LL device from Brazil that I'm anxious to get set up.
Damn. Excellence. A friend of a friend had the NeoGeo when we were kids and it certainly was like the holy grail of home consoles. I'm blown away by how personal computing has advanced since my childhood with the C64.
It's really exciting right now :)
Great work appreciate your efforts
Thanks :)
have a great new year SM.. awesome series.. thank you
Thanks, to you to :D
Thank yo so much for this video
Thanks for watching :)
mister is looking promising everytime i see an update.Cps2 alone worth the price but when they add support to midway modern arcades, ps1 that ive been following the progress this will blow people minds...that said one can only dream for a sega saturn core😀
This is great! These devs are good people!
Thanks, I agree. Furrtek especially is an awesome person.
The DOPEST!
Happy New Year, bruh!
Thanks, to you to :D
Appreciate for that wonderful pre-NewYear ride, it was fantastic. It's sad you didn't cover TSConf though. Hopefully you will disclose that core in the nearest videos.
Thanks! I hope to cover TSConf and Spectrum in a future core feature video. That will be a great one :)
thank you for very good video about Neo Geo core. you are the Best!
Thanks! :D
Nice Virtua stick in the background! Got one of em too!
Classic :D
We had field programmable gatorade at marching band practice but I always stuck with water.
I always got grossed out drinking from those jugs, but did it anyways :D
This series was a great watch, thanks for your work. Owning original hardware (I own a lot of it including MVS/AES as well as NES/PCE/SFC/MD etc) comes with its own challenges that aren't just costs. Cables, controllers, adapters you name it - as well as just the space it all takes up.
It's quite an astoundingly streamlined solution for cycle-accurate (and resolution accurate) retro-gaming and I'm really looking forward to more specific arcade cores (Irem, Konami boards and Cave/Raizing stuff). I've heard the availability of the boards is decreasing and the prices are going up (which is a real shame). I'd be up for a decent prebuilt solution, this craps all over a lot of other commercially available projects.
Yeah, that is totally right. I don't mind the cost of arcade stuff as much as the space it requires to store it all. And I ran out of space a long time ago, so most of it is in a storage unit, which just seems crazy :D
Great content, thx
Thanks :D
Thank you for saying Tate properly
Awesome work man, you sold me ages ago
Thanks, James :)
I have all of the original consoles (a few of each), the Analogue stuff, all o the flashcarts/copiers, emulation on just about every device with a CPU inside, and yet these videos are still making me want to buy a MiSTer.. Damn you! Haha. :) Have a Happy New Year man! I see a MiSTer in my future and THE FUTURE IS NOW.
I'm a really bad influence, but at least I'm in the same camp :D
Im getting a Mister ASAP. Ive modded and exhausted pretty much every console n emulator so keen as to get something thats even closer to OG hardware.
You won't regret it :)
It's never looked better. Purest or not everyone can get something great from this.
There's definitely something for everyone :)
Bravo man!
Thanks :D
Earlier today I ordered an MV1FZ, Supergun, PSU and harness kit, the 161 in 1 MVS game cart and an OSSC. Having watched this video it's good to know there is now a viable alternative if I find the real hardware route too much of a hassle.
Aw hell yea! Now I have a new way to play in the seasonal Neo Turf Masters Tournaments!
Yall should check it out if ya like the game. There's a great Facebook Group dedicated to the Tournaments they host every few months, and there's even prizes for Hole-In-Ones and taking the top spot each week!
"Logic is logic" - Smokeymonster
My dude. Scanlines should always be parallel to the long axis of the screen image. There's no commercially produced CRT TV or monitor that scans the cathode ray vertically across the short axis of the tube. I'd love to see how they look on the scaled horizontal mode, but vertical scanlines in tate mode is just wrong! Seriously though, this video series has been incredibly comprehensive and passionate, and you've really done the community a service by giving us an accessible snapshot of MiSTer development today. My complaints about scanlines are nothing compared to this immense exhaustive effort. Stay awesome.
Yeah, I play on real CRTs and this is just my preference. Not a fan of long-axis scanlines even if they're technically correct. Scanlines themselves aren't really correct to CRTs anyways unless you have really advanced shaders, so to me they're more of a sharpening effect.
I've always wanted a Neo Geo, but the price of the console and games has always held me back, now I'm really thinking about getting a mister so I can finally get into this console. I've used emulators in the past, but nothing beats the real hardware experience and response.
MiSTer is worth it for Neo Geo alone I think, and everything else will be profit for you :)
Man, these scan lines are glorious. Also I love Metal Slug 2 Turbo, it's the best hack of all time. Metal Slug 2 it's always been my favorite in the series.
Thanks, yes MS2 Turbo is such an awesome QOL improvement to the game.
13+ minutes packed with a ton of info. Thanks for all your work on the MiSTer platform. I was a competitive Samurai Shodown 2 player back in the days and with my MiSTer setup hooked to my U2414H I can't feel any sort of lag, it's 99% the real thing. Regarding the scaler with the least amount of lag we select "internal" from the menu? How much more input lag does the "custom" setting add up? I always have it to custom but I can't really feel any lag if I'm honest. Again, thanks for all the work SmokeMonster :)
Wow, that's awesome to hear from a real player. Internal vs Custom doesn't change the lag at all (to my understanding).
NeoGeo 4 Ever
Great video, very informative.
Thanks :)
Is there a shop that sells Furrtek's replacement chips? I hope we someday see complete new AES boards to replace broken ones. That would be fantastic.
Tindie. He has several of the chips that fail the most up rn