Although its not exactly exciting now, every subsequent generation will be able to use the driver support they are building now and should support a larger variety of games. Regardless, its good to have a third player in the gpu market. Glad GN is the one to be able to get the initial coverage of these cards as I know its always going to be legitimate and unbiased.
Or intel will abandon it like they've abandoned their other video card efforts. They're about a year late to jump into the "low GPU stock" sales boom. GPU's are becoming available and the Intel offerings don't look competitive. I mean I hope they become a decent competitor but, they seem a day late and a dollar short.
@@quademasters249 Even if the performance is not the best if the price is according to the performance it can be competitive, not everyone needs a GPU with a lot of performance.
@@quademasters249 GPUs are an increasingly important market segment that Intel can't afford to be in. iGPUs are growing incredibly important, with Apple leading the charge on that. In datacenter, GPUs are increasingly taking roles from CPUs. Just look at NVIDIA. They're worth more than Intel and AMD combined. Intel's decision years ago, in a completely different market, with completely different leadership, can seriously be referenced when discussing current endeavors.
i still believe that they intended to named their brand 'gungnir' (a norse mythological weapon) but their market team mispelled it and it stays just like that
Possibly! Thought that maybe it was supposed to be Gungnir also. We started pronouncing the "i" with a different pronunciation because I became paranoid of UA-cam's auto age gate filters!
I hope Intel continues to press forward with their GPU program in the coming years, even if it isn't that competitive right off the hop. The duopoly in discrete graphics is terrible for consumers and companies like Intel are the only ones who can reasonably enter this space and not go bankrupt immediately.
That type of heatsink is very cost effective to manufacture, because it is extruded aluminium profile and then cut & machined to length. Tooling costs are greatly lower than with a heatsink cut and assembled from individual plates.. With extruded profile you have some design limitations, such as fin density and thickness, and you cant get those fins go all the way through as the profile needs a solid area to keep it in one piece.
Taking AV1 benchmark is very subjective from Apps to Apps. Are they gonna test it using FFMPEG? Or Video Encoding software made by Intel themselves? Nobody knows. For the record, the UA-cam server is using AV1 transcoding Hardware made by Intel since 2014-Today. About the Apps/Algorithm used, we don't really know
Slim it down to a single slot card with either passive or a big lownoise fan, cut power requirement under pcie s 75W limit and I buy one, need quad monitor support and good multimedia performance.... if they put on it one hdmi in capable video port it would be an ideal solution also for a dedicated streaming solution ....
In fairness, the Gunnir card is about $160. What Tom said in other video was that the expected price for the A380 would be $129-$139, but that doesn't limit the upper price (same as with Nvidida/AMD). That said, it's likely that if you ever see an A380 for $129 it probably won't be built with such high quality as this Gunnir one.
@@itisabird if there's any GPU company who is willing to make a GPU as cheap as possible but still retain good quality like temperature, etc, It will be PALIT. Seriously, take a look at Palit GPUs, they're literally Cheapest among all other GPU makers. But the build quality are good despite have bad looking design.
I'd buy it from him and slap it in a dell pre-built, he gets his money back, I get a computer I can give to someone as a beginner gaming machine, lots of emphasis on beginner
when they tought rx 6400 is an insult to buyers and a waste of silicon xD ,and Nvidia coming in a clutch saying hold my beer with gtx 1630 with 200$ price tag xD
It looks like Intel is aiming to grab the market segment that loved GPUs like the Quadro P2000 for great performance in production workloads for a reasonable price. Smart move in my opinion as Nvidia kills off low end professional GPUs.
I think you’re right. I’m a fan of aarch64, run 3 generations now of AMD Zen, and have been team green since the RivaTNT. But I think Intel, under Gelsinger, is about to go on an industry rampage the likes of which we haven’t seen since the last time he was de facto boss (and Intel was wounded… after Itanic, NutBust and the shame of adopting AMD64). GPU wise, they have two successive generations already in pipe, they’re pouring money into the foundry side of the shop (and while they got lazy in this space, they know just as much about applied material science in semiconductors as TSMC, so I’d advise TSMC to cut the cocky remarks because their 5nm isn’t that impressive). Lisa Su’s AMD is reasonably well fortified to deal with Intel, because she’s built a strong roadmap (very much taking a page out of Gelsinger’s 2000’s product planning book) and has diversified the business, now consisting of three computing businesses, CPU, GPU and FPGA (incidentally, the same alignment Intel is pursuing). But Nvidia? Nvidia is very, very vulnerable. The ARM deal collapsed, largely due to mismanagement by Jensen (announcing too early, not understanding how to play the geopolitical field, poor PR management, etc.), which now leaves Nvidia with basically their one business: GPU’s. And Intel, who in real terms is bigger, run by a more experienced CEO, is coming for your market, and they’re going to do it by first grabbing share, and then crushing margins as they push to the high end. Meanwhile, Nvidia is already facing a brewing margin crisis, due to a bubble collapse in crypto creating a product glut, a huge market valuation collapse, a management credibility crisis due to the ARM debacle, a customer revolt due to their recent pricing policies, and partner fractures due to how they’ve interacted with TSMC and Samsung. The worst part, speaking as a long-time Nvidia shareholder, I don’t think Jensen gets it: he can’t see the perfect storm forming, because Nvidia has been at the top for so long, and they’ve gotten remarkably lucky (despite huge missteps in the past). While I think Nvidia will survive it, I’ll bet real money that Jensen is done as CEO in the next 24 months.
@smakfu I agree with you on Nvidia having tough times ahead. Lovelace looks like it is going to be a furnace while Intel has 4 generations planned out (but not all designed) and RDNA 3 is predicted to give Radeon the GPU crown for the first time in over a decade. If Intel can get products out on schedule (no simple task for Intel), I believe the next 3-5 years are going to have exceptional growth in PC performance and diversity. Even if Intel dominates the desktop quickly and becomes a relevant force in the GPU space, it still has its work cut out to take on AMD in the mobile and especially server spaces. As for Intel making professional workloads a strong suit of the ARC GPUs, I think the reason for this is several fold: a) it is a neglected segment of the market since low end Quadro died which means Intel will have at least one USP, even if the rest of the performance is ranging from mildly competitive to "needs a lot of work". b) it is easier to optimise the drivers for the 5-10 most common production workloads than 100s of games. c) people building low end workstations have less chance to complain. If gaming was buggy as hell and poor performing, LTT, GN etc would shit on the cards and significantly damage Intel's chances going forward.
The quadro P2000 (& P2200) have been replaced by the RTX A2000. In terms of MSRP, power draw, performance, & features (tensor cores & ecc) the a2000 is better. Plus Nvidia recently released low end tensor quadros with the T400, 600, & 1000. That said, if intel has good tensor core equivalents, gets validation similar to AMD's W series & Nvidia's quadro / RTX A series, then going intel at this price point is a no brainer. Av1 encoding could take the home theater crowd by storm.
Thanks GN , i work in pre-sil verification with these but never knew what inside looks like of a finished product. Alchemist was tapedout before i joined . Excited for all the stuff thats about to come from Intel.
Your teardowns have really helped me through the years when repasting a card. The bit I find especially helpful is the type of memory thermal pads A couple of mistakes in this one though. There are clear channels cut in the heatsink to allow a tiny amount of air to blow over the board components. It's not all a solid block like you mentioned. Also the fans are Ecotherm and the logo of the company is what you confused with the letter G. It's a misleading logo but the website at the bottom of the fan sticker makes it obvious I still don't really understand why this channel has only 1.7 million subs. I really don't understand why people find the lifestyle crap more interesting than tech content
1.7m is a good sub count, come on. People have one tech question, they're not gonna subscribe if they don't need ongoing content, people choose not to worry about whether their PC is outdated the moment they bought it.
There's something really comforting about watching you struggle to tear stuff down when the construction is unkonw! Makes me feel like much less of an idito!
I'm more looking forward to the non-realtime performance, especially Blender, but the media transcoding capabilities are certainly interesting, especially if useable while raytracing.
It kills me that there aren't better single-slot/low-profile GPU options on the market, because sometimes you just want to give a little boost to a prebuilt that needs one.
I have to agree There is actually a chance that some board partners might make a low profile version of an Intel GPU Let’s hope they at least do that to give those people an option
Kids are in bed, headphones are in. Ready for that over 18 content you only get from Steve, bring on the filthy striped down PCB’s and the exposed die. Rub that isopropanol all over.
@@BlackhatAudio when my wife starts applying thermal paste like Steve and talks dirty FPS to me then I wouldn’t need this content. Until then I know where to go.
I had one of the only other Intel GPU's back in the day. Intel i740 powered Real3D Starfighter card. Don't remember exactly when I bought it but I do remember getting it to play Half Life 1, so fair guess is sometime in late 1998 or 1999. :)
That RX 6400 came back with a vengeance! On a side note, it's impressive that with a smaller die size, just 4 PCIe lanes, a 64-bit bus and 4 GB of VRAM the RX 6400 still managed to beat the A380. Intel has a long way ahead.
@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 The RX 6400 is certainly not horrible. It's too expensive for the performance, but the low power usage make it an interesting niche product. Actually, the RX 6400 makes far more sense than the RX 6500. Partnered with an I3 12100F, it's great for a low power small formfactor system. I'm going to power it with an i3-12100T.
From what I remember. The tire marks on the TUF cards is making fun of a gag in a Hardware Unboxed video. Forget the model but it was one of the GPUs from the previous generation that came defective. Their gag was it's only useful as a wheel chock for your car which they then drove over it and were like "guess it wasn't even good at that".
Yeah, I don't get why he is bashing the 6400. Shouldn't we be praising AMD for building a more efficient card that doesn't need such a cooling solution on a $150 card?
As a Low profile, Single slot card the RX 6400 is amazing at what it does. And with that being said, if you don't need a card in that particular form factor then you should definitely use something better then the RX 6400.
Definitely, the 6400 is not a bad card, at the right price. I would argue the right price would put it around the range the gt 1030 used to occupy corrected for inflation in a healthy market. Though it does seem to be dropping in price.
@@mAJORDEE but not in price to performance. It was easy to get one for $130. 6 years ago. But maybe we just disagree on what level of performance should be expected at a given cost.
I legit love my rx 6400 build. It’s a sub 1L PC though, so it’s the best possible card that fits Edit: I threw it in a Lenovo m720p. Probably the best card on market for the use case
@@MrSmokinDragon Just double checked. The desktop is 7”x7.2”x1.35” in size. So it’s about 1.1L in volume. I did put the wrong model though. It’s the m720q. My bad on that one!
@@MrSmokinDragon There’s a proprietary pcie slot on the motherboard. The adapter to add the full length slot it model 01AJ940. The gpu has to be a single slot half width card to properly fit though. Most people use that slot for 4 port network cards, but it’s also perfect for a tiny gpu!
I don't really understand the hate the 6400 gets. It beats this card and needs a lot less cooling. Shouldn't we be giving AMD praise for not needing such a huge cooler on their card? Shouldn't we be praising the efficiency? Not every card needs a huge cooler. That would be insane.
Big and impressive looking compared to that 6400 but slower and more power hungry at the end of the day. Single slot half height coolers can be handy for upgrading an OEM system too.
To be fair to the size of the RX 6400, it's intended to be used in SFF builds, you can still get a normal sized RX 6400, similar to the 1050ti design, but that one specifically was made for small, possibly external powered, PCs.
I hope these first couple series of Intel GPUs do well and bring much needed price competition to the market. There are a lot of overpriced cards even taking into account for the market, that It's really hard to recommend budget builds to friends anymore. Great work to the whole GN crew for the coverage so far. I love watching new products come to market and the subsequent teardowns that follow.
There should have been a note saying it was given away -- or something. Someone will think they actually tossed a GPU when e-waste is an issue raised often enough. And before anyone says the 6400 is waste, consider it has a reasonable use-case (limited, or niche, but valid).
@@thedeejlam Correct you are! I think most people are upset because we didn't receive the low end GPUs that we wanted at the price we wanted them. Not every use case needs serious horsepower though.
I wonder how the commentary would have changed if this were shot after the review and he saw how close the 6400 was to the A380 regardless of the size of the die and cooler.
Plus he really doesn’t seem to grasp that they got a low profile version, it’s like that on purpose to fit in a single half height slot. They could’ve gotten another SKU of the 6400, and some of them have better coolers
@@MaxIronsThird Probably, but there is no reason to give it shit for a “bad cooler” when they chose to order a low profile version. Also the 6400 ended up outperforming the a380 hilariously
@@videogamefreak221122 He has another RX6400 that they used for benchmarks. They didn't use that one. Also, just look at that one - It looks like it's made of one of the cheaper types of plastic that breaks when you look at it the wrong way. That fan seems to be similarly low quality.
XFX RX480 I have had that kind of crappy connection for the connectors. Used a small straight blade screwdriver to get them separated without breaking them. At least the rest of it was easy to take care of. Cleaned the cooler stacks and replaced the cpu thermal compound and it works even better now:)
I still don't understand the insane amount of hate for the RX 6400 (included in this video). Then again, I've lived through being broke in the late ATI days. If it's cheap (by current standards), can play popular games at playable frame-rates, AND can fit in a used SFF OEM case (with its included PSU), it's gold. In regards to those cheap/garbage fans included with the lowest end LP cards.... if you leave them sitting for long enough, they're going to be worse than running them at 50-100% daily, since release in an OEM build. This GPU tear-down is awesome, but there's no need to trash the budget option, that was actually a viable option before the recent GPU price drops. Maybe I'm just an older dude who remembers seeing LP discreet GPUs with plastic pins instead of screws, with an axe to grind. 😆
The card isn't a bad product, theya re just trying to sell it at a bad price. It has a place in the current market, but not at the price that amd is trying to sell it at. It's an insult to consumers.
To be honest, i think that card is unnecessary big for 80 wats, well at least should be really silent/cool. As we have seen that gaming performance is not that amazing, then one good target market could be transcoding, and there 1U and even half height cards come in handy.
@@n.b.8572 Until you take notice that, if you dont have PCIe 4.0. You lose half bandwidth by placing it on a 3.0. Or worse... 2.0=1/4 absolute let down for old PC and the mayority in general. Well the same applies with Intel at the moment.
@@n.b.8572 Any company making their first dedicated GPU is going to have growing pains. Ryzen when it first launched (first new CPU in 5 years) was not nearly as good as Intel at the time, now look where we are.
I'm still amazed that some youtubers constantly use the wrong size screwdriver on delicate components. One wrong move and you risk damaging traces on the board...
For those who bother to actually read comments and want to make a little bit more of the knowlege, one of the niche things this class of GPU's tell you is what to expect from high end integrated graphics, as the die on a APU will roughly have the same layout with a slower memory bandwith(for obvious reasons) the RX 6400 has the same core/CU count as the AMD 680M inside of the 6800U APU. If you have a remote interest in any high end pc handhelds, these gpus will roughly give you the ceiling of performance to expect.
Normaly when you don't have much experience in designing something you go on the higher quality side, since the risk of something being designed bad is higher, because you're new to it. In the next generations you learn on which parts to cut down to save on cost and start designing it more and more in a way that it lasts just as long as it should according to your company strategy.
I want to see an A380 in low profile single slot. It would be an absolute weapon in upgrading small form factor office computers to have modest gaming capabilities, spectacular multimedia, and competent professional compute. It would also represent a sorely needed entry in a market segment that is badly neglected. Although judging by Steve's seething contempt for the low profile single slot solution XFX brought for the 6400, I should probably abandon all hope for giving my little Optiplex anything more than an IGP.
At least the card wasn't full of glue, as we have seen in the past with some cards. Very interesting that there is a third card maker now. I h8 Nvidia with a passion and boycott them, so having 2 card makers to choose from (AMD and Intel) is a massive improvement. Thanks for the video. 💐
@@BlackhatAudio "someone doesn't like this massive corporation with well documented shady business practices and decides not to buy their products so i better make a comment asking them to kill themselves because i like the products" -Black Hat 2022
Those fan connectors look like JST. You can use the end of some tweezers and slide then against the sides, on the top edge of the female / under the lip onf the male connector to wedge them apart form both ends. Very easy and quick once you know how to do it.
I wish the A380 was low enough power to go into into a single slot low profile computer, i've got an HTPC that most of the time spends its time transcoding video, but the RX6400 is good enough for the rare occasion i play games on it. Heck i'd like an A330, slap a crap single slot 1/2 height cooler on it and charge $90 for it, as long as i can get AVI i'd be happy
I think the A380 is really interesting. I'm putting together a new HTPC setup which should do high-resolution high-framerate video playback, support HDMI 2.1, and not struggle too much with some casual gaming and video game emulation. It's gonna be running as a VM with some PCIe devices passed through on my home server, which already utilizes the iGPU on my CPU for media transcode. I want the HTPC VM to be able to play the raw media files though, so I want a dedicated GPU to pass through. Seeing as the lowest-end models Nvidia and AMD have on offer with support for AV1 decode and HDMI 2.1 are the RTX 3050 (not really the same price range) and the RX6400 (same price range but not close to competitive), I'm really looking forward to the A380 launching as a retail model in the rest of the world as it's actually pretty unique in its value proposition, assuming the price stays somewhere around the $150 mark.
Sure the Gunnir card might well be better built. But as shown by your own review, that doesn't matter much vs RX6400. I agree that the 6400 is an awful cash grab of a product that shouldn't be at that price (or even exist maybe). But at least it doesn't require PCI-E POWER and will fit in absolutely any case. Which is not the case with the Intel car about 2 years too late and already too expensive with sh*t driver support. And if you want a real joke, why not look at the 1630 ?
Another player has entered the game, and hopefully, it will bring competition and innovation. Never a good idea to have only two manufacturers dictating everything. PS that iso noise in the shadows, its a dance party! 😬
Really it trades blows, the A380 won sometimes. I think it’s mostly drivers causing the issue really. The big difference (to me at least) is that the 6400 doesn’t have video encoding.
@@EdDale44135: with respect it’s not what the test showed at all. The A380 is budgeted at $130-140 The 6400 is budgeted at $150-160 The 1650 is budgeted at $150-160 You saw a card under budget by 23%. With the clear priority on the cooling under perform by between 9-15% So for it’s price point. It over performed per dollar by 8%. With zero driver tweaking. Something Nvidia and Amd have got 20 years experience in.
Idk if I've ever cared about a GPU less than the a380, (especially since it's not viable for old budget rigs), but I'm commenting , and liking for the algorithm.
dude I wish GPUs couldve used the x8 slot like 6 years ago, wouldve made dual GPUs easier. Back in the day I bought a i7 6900X so I could run duals without having PCIE lane issues
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The typo 🤣
that 6400 is goddamn adorable
@@genericscottishchannel1603 smol GPU
why did you throw that away?
make an itx emulation pc with it
i bet it can do some good emulation
Careful you don't get demonitized for just naming the product
This GPU runs so hot, it's NSFW!
I wonder how nobody got demonetized for naming the RX 6900 yet... 🙂🙃
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I think because it's so niiice
@@j0hnnycache it sure is 😏
I do 420 vlogs on my UA-cam channel 🔥 I’m just trying to get out the hood
Although its not exactly exciting now, every subsequent generation will be able to use the driver support they are building now and should support a larger variety of games. Regardless, its good to have a third player in the gpu market. Glad GN is the one to be able to get the initial coverage of these cards as I know its always going to be legitimate and unbiased.
Thank you!
Or intel will abandon it like they've abandoned their other video card efforts. They're about a year late to jump into the "low GPU stock" sales boom. GPU's are becoming available and the Intel offerings don't look competitive. I mean I hope they become a decent competitor but, they seem a day late and a dollar short.
@@quademasters249 Even if the performance is not the best if the price is according to the performance it can be competitive, not everyone needs a GPU with a lot of performance.
Can’t wait until Nvidia gets into the CPU market
@@quademasters249 GPUs are an increasingly important market segment that Intel can't afford to be in.
iGPUs are growing incredibly important, with Apple leading the charge on that. In datacenter, GPUs are increasingly taking roles from CPUs.
Just look at NVIDIA. They're worth more than Intel and AMD combined.
Intel's decision years ago, in a completely different market, with completely different leadership, can seriously be referenced when discussing current endeavors.
Love some late-night adult content from GN :)
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"GN After Dark"
Great for watching under the sheets.
They're getting into the guts of this GPU.
i still believe that they intended to named their brand 'gungnir' (a norse mythological weapon) but their market team mispelled it and it stays just like that
Possibly! Thought that maybe it was supposed to be Gungnir also. We started pronouncing the "i" with a different pronunciation because I became paranoid of UA-cam's auto age gate filters!
it was already taken by MSI
Gungnir in Old Norse means penetrating and it is the All Father (Odins )spear for the uneducated I am a norse Pagan
Gungnir doesn't exactly look like a word that would roll off the tongue though does it?
@@RobertBIrish You are a Norse Pagan in the 21st century and you accuse the rest of us of being uneducated? Talk about a lack of self awareness
I hope Intel continues to press forward with their GPU program in the coming years, even if it isn't that competitive right off the hop. The duopoly in discrete graphics is terrible for consumers and companies like Intel are the only ones who can reasonably enter this space and not go bankrupt immediately.
That type of heatsink is very cost effective to manufacture, because it is extruded aluminium profile and then cut & machined to length. Tooling costs are greatly lower than with a heatsink cut and assembled from individual plates.. With extruded profile you have some design limitations, such as fin density and thickness, and you cant get those fins go all the way through as the profile needs a solid area to keep it in one piece.
Looks very well built for a $130 card. Steve when can we get AV1 benchmark tests and H.264 HyperEncode (IGP+dGPU)?
Taking AV1 benchmark is very subjective from Apps to Apps.
Are they gonna test it using FFMPEG? Or Video Encoding software made by Intel themselves? Nobody knows.
For the record, the UA-cam server is using AV1 transcoding Hardware made by Intel since 2014-Today.
About the Apps/Algorithm used, we don't really know
Slim it down to a single slot card with either passive or a big lownoise fan, cut power requirement under pcie s 75W limit and I buy one, need quad monitor support and good multimedia performance.... if they put on it one hdmi in capable video port it would be an ideal solution also for a dedicated streaming solution ....
In fairness, the Gunnir card is about $160. What Tom said in other video was that the expected price for the A380 would be $129-$139, but that doesn't limit the upper price (same as with Nvidida/AMD). That said, it's likely that if you ever see an A380 for $129 it probably won't be built with such high quality as this Gunnir one.
@@itisabird if there's any GPU company who is willing to make a GPU as cheap as possible but still retain good quality like temperature, etc,
It will be PALIT. Seriously, take a look at Palit GPUs, they're literally Cheapest among all other GPU makers. But the build quality are good despite have bad looking design.
Love the new and different set backgrounds
Thank you so much! We were putting so much thought into designing a set, then we realized that we can just film in our actual work places in the lab!
You can see Steve's soul leave his body as he says the price he paid for that waste of materials that is the 6400.
Wait until he pays $200 for an EVGA GTX1630, I want the 🧂 level to be silo sized.
Cosidering it did worse than the worst 6400 probably didn't feel that bad, now the 1630..... oh boy
I'd buy it from him and slap it in a dell pre-built, he gets his money back, I get a computer I can give to someone as a beginner gaming machine, lots of emphasis on beginner
when they tought rx 6400 is an insult to buyers and a waste of silicon xD ,and Nvidia coming in a clutch saying hold my beer with gtx 1630 with 200$ price tag xD
Yet the 6400 with 4gigs of ram and less wattage is quicker. The only thing stopping me from wiping my butt with the Arc380 are the sharp edges.
It looks like Intel is aiming to grab the market segment that loved GPUs like the Quadro P2000 for great performance in production workloads for a reasonable price. Smart move in my opinion as Nvidia kills off low end professional GPUs.
The inclusion of an AV1 encoder is a sign
I think you’re right. I’m a fan of aarch64, run 3 generations now of AMD Zen, and have been team green since the RivaTNT. But I think Intel, under Gelsinger, is about to go on an industry rampage the likes of which we haven’t seen since the last time he was de facto boss (and Intel was wounded… after Itanic, NutBust and the shame of adopting AMD64). GPU wise, they have two successive generations already in pipe, they’re pouring money into the foundry side of the shop (and while they got lazy in this space, they know just as much about applied material science in semiconductors as TSMC, so I’d advise TSMC to cut the cocky remarks because their 5nm isn’t that impressive).
Lisa Su’s AMD is reasonably well fortified to deal with Intel, because she’s built a strong roadmap (very much taking a page out of Gelsinger’s 2000’s product planning book) and has diversified the business, now consisting of three computing businesses, CPU, GPU and FPGA (incidentally, the same alignment Intel is pursuing).
But Nvidia? Nvidia is very, very vulnerable. The ARM deal collapsed, largely due to mismanagement by Jensen (announcing too early, not understanding how to play the geopolitical field, poor PR management, etc.), which now leaves Nvidia with basically their one business: GPU’s. And Intel, who in real terms is bigger, run by a more experienced CEO, is coming for your market, and they’re going to do it by first grabbing share, and then crushing margins as they push to the high end.
Meanwhile, Nvidia is already facing a brewing margin crisis, due to a bubble collapse in crypto creating a product glut, a huge market valuation collapse, a management credibility crisis due to the ARM debacle, a customer revolt due to their recent pricing policies, and partner fractures due to how they’ve interacted with TSMC and Samsung.
The worst part, speaking as a long-time Nvidia shareholder, I don’t think Jensen gets it: he can’t see the perfect storm forming, because Nvidia has been at the top for so long, and they’ve gotten remarkably lucky (despite huge missteps in the past). While I think Nvidia will survive it, I’ll bet real money that Jensen is done as CEO in the next 24 months.
@smakfu I agree with you on Nvidia having tough times ahead. Lovelace looks like it is going to be a furnace while Intel has 4 generations planned out (but not all designed) and RDNA 3 is predicted to give Radeon the GPU crown for the first time in over a decade. If Intel can get products out on schedule (no simple task for Intel), I believe the next 3-5 years are going to have exceptional growth in PC performance and diversity. Even if Intel dominates the desktop quickly and becomes a relevant force in the GPU space, it still has its work cut out to take on AMD in the mobile and especially server spaces.
As for Intel making professional workloads a strong suit of the ARC GPUs, I think the reason for this is several fold:
a) it is a neglected segment of the market since low end Quadro died which means Intel will have at least one USP, even if the rest of the performance is ranging from mildly competitive to "needs a lot of work".
b) it is easier to optimise the drivers for the 5-10 most common production workloads than 100s of games.
c) people building low end workstations have less chance to complain. If gaming was buggy as hell and poor performing, LTT, GN etc would shit on the cards and significantly damage Intel's chances going forward.
The quadro P2000 (& P2200) have been replaced by the RTX A2000. In terms of MSRP, power draw, performance, & features (tensor cores & ecc) the a2000 is better. Plus Nvidia recently released low end tensor quadros with the T400, 600, & 1000.
That said, if intel has good tensor core equivalents, gets validation similar to AMD's W series & Nvidia's quadro / RTX A series, then going intel at this price point is a no brainer. Av1 encoding could take the home theater crowd by storm.
Thanks GN , i work in pre-sil verification with these but never knew what inside looks like of a finished product. Alchemist was tapedout before i joined . Excited for all the stuff thats about to come from Intel.
Excited to see the Linux drivers for this beat the dust off the Windows ones.
Your teardowns have really helped me through the years when repasting a card. The bit I find especially helpful is the type of memory thermal pads
A couple of mistakes in this one though. There are clear channels cut in the heatsink to allow a tiny amount of air to blow over the board components. It's not all a solid block like you mentioned. Also the fans are Ecotherm and the logo of the company is what you confused with the letter G. It's a misleading logo but the website at the bottom of the fan sticker makes it obvious
I still don't really understand why this channel has only 1.7 million subs. I really don't understand why people find the lifestyle crap more interesting than tech content
1.7m is a good sub count, come on. People have one tech question, they're not gonna subscribe if they don't need ongoing content, people choose not to worry about whether their PC is outdated the moment they bought it.
Teardown of the first GPU of a new vendor: "into the unknown", literally.
...alright, less than 2 minutes in, and that joke was already made in the video. Yeah.
more like "into the unkonw" like how they titled it
There's something really comforting about watching you struggle to tear stuff down when the construction is unkonw! Makes me feel like much less of an idito!
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for the media engine testing & benchmarks. Simply cannot wait to see them!
I'm more looking forward to the non-realtime performance, especially Blender, but the media transcoding capabilities are certainly interesting, especially if useable while raytracing.
It kills me that there aren't better single-slot/low-profile GPU options on the market, because sometimes you just want to give a little boost to a prebuilt that needs one.
I have to agree
There is actually a chance that some board partners might make a low profile version of an Intel GPU
Let’s hope they at least do that to give those people an option
6400 out performance this, without needing 2 slots for cooling.
@@DjRavix yea but it eat 100 w instead 50 w with 6400. Try to disipate 100 w with tinny cooler.
Kids are in bed, headphones are in. Ready for that over 18 content you only get from Steve, bring on the filthy striped down PCB’s and the exposed die. Rub that isopropanol all over.
More paste. Socket me harder.
Yeah. Like that
@@BlackhatAudio when my wife starts applying thermal paste like Steve and talks dirty FPS to me then I wouldn’t need this content. Until then I know where to go.
I had one of the only other Intel GPU's back in the day. Intel i740 powered Real3D Starfighter card. Don't remember exactly when I bought it but I do remember getting it to play Half Life 1, so fair guess is sometime in late 1998 or 1999. :)
That RX 6400 came back with a vengeance!
On a side note, it's impressive that with a smaller die size, just 4 PCIe lanes, a 64-bit bus and 4 GB of VRAM the RX 6400 still managed to beat the A380. Intel has a long way ahead.
The RX 6400 is still horrible, though. Budget buyers deserve better than the affront to decency that has been every single budget card this gen.
@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 The RX 6400 is certainly not horrible. It's too expensive for the performance, but the low power usage make it an interesting niche product. Actually, the RX 6400 makes far more sense than the RX 6500.
Partnered with an I3 12100F, it's great for a low power small formfactor system. I'm going to power it with an i3-12100T.
The 6400 is good for retrogaming.
@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 Not for retrogaming.
@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 It's always great for browsing the web.
From what I remember. The tire marks on the TUF cards is making fun of a gag in a Hardware Unboxed video. Forget the model but it was one of the GPUs from the previous generation that came defective. Their gag was it's only useful as a wheel chock for your car which they then drove over it and were like "guess it wasn't even good at that".
That unexpected banter against the 6400 at the end made me laugh like a maniac.
Funnier given the performance of this nicely built card falls short of the 6400
Yeah, I don't get why he is bashing the 6400. Shouldn't we be praising AMD for building a more efficient card that doesn't need such a cooling solution on a $150 card?
@@n.b.8572 because the videos are out of order
"I'm trying to disconnect them carefully"
* cut to shot of Steve shaking trying to remove the connector
As a Low profile, Single slot card the RX 6400 is amazing at what it does. And with that being said, if you don't need a card in that particular form factor then you should definitely use something better then the RX 6400.
If it was $20 cheaper I might agree with you, but with the 1050 Ti being so old and still putting up a strong fight, it just looks silly.
It would be great for maybe 2/3 the price
Definitely, the 6400 is not a bad card, at the right price. I would argue the right price would put it around the range the gt 1030 used to occupy corrected for inflation in a healthy market.
Though it does seem to be dropping in price.
@@Joostinonline not sure about a strong fight. It gets handily beat by a 6400
@@mAJORDEE but not in price to performance. It was easy to get one for $130. 6 years ago. But maybe we just disagree on what level of performance should be expected at a given cost.
I legit love my rx 6400 build. It’s a sub 1L PC though, so it’s the best possible card that fits
Edit: I threw it in a Lenovo m720p. Probably the best card on market for the use case
Nice. I guess you typoed and meant to write 10L and not 1L? Still, impressive
@@MrSmokinDragon Just double checked. The desktop is 7”x7.2”x1.35” in size. So it’s about 1.1L in volume.
I did put the wrong model though. It’s the m720q. My bad on that one!
@@lilman227 That is awesome. Didn't know the 720q model had space for a pci-e card.
@@MrSmokinDragon There’s a proprietary pcie slot on the motherboard. The adapter to add the full length slot it model 01AJ940.
The gpu has to be a single slot half width card to properly fit though. Most people use that slot for 4 port network cards, but it’s also perfect for a tiny gpu!
I just think its so cool that another Company is in the Game other than Amd and Nvidia, even if it's not the best new tech. Its interesting.
"I need alcohol."
--Steve, 2022.
Also throwing the 6400 into the trash was hilarious. Good consumer advice though, really.
The 6400 beats this thing in most games at most resolutions.
I don't really understand the hate the 6400 gets. It beats this card and needs a lot less cooling. Shouldn't we be giving AMD praise for not needing such a huge cooler on their card? Shouldn't we be praising the efficiency? Not every card needs a huge cooler. That would be insane.
Lol thats the only card you can have if you want to build low power or small system.
Chaps, the 5700G exists. For its price, the 6400 is legit not worth it.
@@detlaslegacy Im still running on RX 550, 6400 definitely much better than that.
Big and impressive looking compared to that 6400 but slower and more power hungry at the end of the day. Single slot half height coolers can be handy for upgrading an OEM system too.
yes the half size dedicated card can be necessary in size constrained cases. I am happy that this form factor exists.
To be fair to the size of the RX 6400, it's intended to be used in SFF builds, you can still get a normal sized RX 6400, similar to the 1050ti design, but that one specifically was made for small, possibly external powered, PCs.
I hope these first couple series of Intel GPUs do well and bring much needed price competition to the market. There are a lot of overpriced cards even taking into account for the market, that It's really hard to recommend budget builds to friends anymore. Great work to the whole GN crew for the coverage so far. I love watching new products come to market and the subsequent teardowns that follow.
The only budget recommendation anymore is someone else's spare parts pile.
I just about died when you threw the RX6400 in the trash! Keep up the good work gentlemen!
There should have been a note saying it was given away -- or something. Someone will think they actually tossed a GPU when e-waste is an issue raised often enough. And before anyone says the 6400 is waste, consider it has a reasonable use-case (limited, or niche, but valid).
@@thedeejlam Correct you are! I think most people are upset because we didn't receive the low end GPUs that we wanted at the price we wanted them. Not every use case needs serious horsepower though.
Tear-down videos should be mandatory on all UA-cam Tech channels
I wonder how the commentary would have changed if this were shot after the review and he saw how close the 6400 was to the A380 regardless of the size of the die and cooler.
20:00 Foreshadowing for you.
Plus he really doesn’t seem to grasp that they got a low profile version, it’s like that on purpose to fit in a single half height slot. They could’ve gotten another SKU of the 6400, and some of them have better coolers
@@videogamefreak221122 He 100% knows this
@@MaxIronsThird Probably, but there is no reason to give it shit for a “bad cooler” when they chose to order a low profile version. Also the 6400 ended up outperforming the a380 hilariously
@@videogamefreak221122 He has another RX6400 that they used for benchmarks. They didn't use that one. Also, just look at that one - It looks like it's made of one of the cheaper types of plastic that breaks when you look at it the wrong way. That fan seems to be similarly low quality.
When the thermal paste was moved onto the die, was it just me that felt the urge to blow at the screen to move it?
Not going to lie, it’s pretty trippy seeing Intel’s typical blue substrate on a discrete GPU PCB!
UA-cam had finally blessed me with a recommendation of your video!
"I need alcohol"
That's how I felt after almost every customer when I worked in retail
XFX RX480 I have had that kind of crappy connection for the connectors. Used a small straight blade screwdriver to get them separated without breaking them. At least the rest of it was easy to take care of. Cleaned the cooler stacks and replaced the cpu thermal compound and it works even better now:)
Alright, time to watch with popcorn 🍿
i'm hilariously impressed that no one took the plastic off that XFX Radeon card :D
Fun to see something I've actually worked on... I got to solder down a few of these GPUs at work.
I'm confused, it says unknow on the box but unkonw on the card itself.
WHICH ONE IS IT, GUNNIR?
They don't know.
It's unkknow
I loved that bit of foreshadowing for the disappointment build.
14:59 "I need alcohol" That's a sentence I was missing during review of prebuilt systems 😁
i love the design of this card. its super satisfyingly to me
I thought “unkonw” was a typo instead of what was on the actual card … I r dumb
14:58 "I need alcohol" - Steve, after seeing some of these design choices
As always, brilliantly done GN. Thanks for the in-depth coverage.
Love it how you just trow the Radeon card on the desk!
I cant wait to buy a intel gpu! Their first cards wont be great, but thats to be expected and they need our support to make it happen.
I still don't understand the insane amount of hate for the RX 6400 (included in this video). Then again, I've lived through being broke in the late ATI days. If it's cheap (by current standards), can play popular games at playable frame-rates, AND can fit in a used SFF OEM case (with its included PSU), it's gold. In regards to those cheap/garbage fans included with the lowest end LP cards.... if you leave them sitting for long enough, they're going to be worse than running them at 50-100% daily, since release in an OEM build.
This GPU tear-down is awesome, but there's no need to trash the budget option, that was actually a viable option before the recent GPU price drops.
Maybe I'm just an older dude who remembers seeing LP discreet GPUs with plastic pins instead of screws, with an axe to grind. 😆
The card isn't a bad product, theya re just trying to sell it at a bad price. It has a place in the current market, but not at the price that amd is trying to sell it at. It's an insult to consumers.
It's too expensive for what it is.
that bit at the end got me, spooked me even
Warning, Viewer Discretion is Advised!
The sound that 6400 made slamming the table.
The disrespect when he smacked it down on the table
Hope that this doesn't get age restricted like the one review. UA-cam might think, hmmm this is uncloathing a Gpu so it should be 18 plus
😂 bare naked PCB takedown…
20:00 "What the hell is that" best think ever, an auto tear-down card
To be honest, i think that card is unnecessary big for 80 wats, well at least should be really silent/cool.
As we have seen that gaming performance is not that amazing, then one good target market could be transcoding, and there 1U and even half height cards come in handy.
You keep bashing the 6400XT, but I'm STILL waiting for you to test the GTX1630 and show your venom and rage towards that waste of sand Steve. 😈👍
Working on trying to get one! They're out of stock everywhere... which we weren't expecting.
@@GamersNexus If you can stomach paying $200 for such a bad card, Evga seems to have a model available to buy on their website.
@@GamersNexus Maybe the AIBs aren't making very many because they know they're trash and they don't expect to sell any?
Absolute savagery throwing that 6400 on the table, 10/10
Yeah, such a tiny card that needs barely any cooling going up against the Intel...not a good look for intel.
@@n.b.8572 Until you take notice that, if you dont have PCIe 4.0. You lose half bandwidth by placing it on a 3.0. Or worse... 2.0=1/4 absolute let down for old PC and the mayority in general.
Well the same applies with Intel at the moment.
@@n.b.8572 Any company making their first dedicated GPU is going to have growing pains. Ryzen when it first launched (first new CPU in 5 years) was not nearly as good as Intel at the time, now look where we are.
Real legends remember when this teardown was going into the unkonw
It is
I'm still amazed that some youtubers constantly use the wrong size screwdriver on delicate components. One wrong move and you risk damaging traces on the board...
UA-cam is gonna flag this tear down as gore
In roughly 8 years you'll be able to have an i7 GPU with your i7 CPU
"Into the unkonw" almost ended me lol.
More Arc content let's go!
For those who bother to actually read comments and want to make a little bit more of the knowlege, one of the niche things this class of GPU's tell you is what to expect from high end integrated graphics, as the die on a APU will roughly have the same layout with a slower memory bandwith(for obvious reasons)
the RX 6400 has the same core/CU count as the AMD 680M inside of the 6800U APU. If you have a remote interest in any high end pc handhelds, these gpus will roughly give you the ceiling of performance to expect.
I love the cooler’s look. It’s so square and simple. So far I am liking the current versions of the Intel cooler designs- from both Gunnir and Intel
Two weeks in a row of GN and WAN show on Friday!!!
Normaly when you don't have much experience in designing something you go on the higher quality side, since the risk of something being designed bad is higher, because you're new to it. In the next generations you learn on which parts to cut down to save on cost and start designing it more and more in a way that it lasts just as long as it should according to your company strategy.
The bin part cracked me up
I want to see an A380 in low profile single slot.
It would be an absolute weapon in upgrading small form factor office computers to have modest gaming capabilities, spectacular multimedia, and competent professional compute.
It would also represent a sorely needed entry in a market segment that is badly neglected.
Although judging by Steve's seething contempt for the low profile single slot solution XFX brought for the 6400, I should probably abandon all hope for giving my little Optiplex anything more than an IGP.
Man has always efared the Unkonw
At least the card wasn't full of glue, as we have seen in the past with some cards. Very interesting that there is a third card maker now. I h8 Nvidia with a passion and boycott them, so having 2 card makers to choose from (AMD and Intel) is a massive improvement. Thanks for the video. 💐
@@BlackhatAudio "someone doesn't like this massive corporation with well documented shady business practices and decides not to buy their products so i better make a comment asking them to kill themselves because i like the products" -Black Hat 2022
There is something almost life reaffirming that I'm not the only person who has to fight with those stupid plugs.
The i740 will start haunting your dreams.
I'd like to see some overclocking results. What frequency can this thing hit with the max power offset?
I do love a journey Into the Unkonw :)
I kind of like the angular design, reminds me of Sapphire's Polaris era offerings
Those fan connectors look like JST. You can use the end of some tweezers and slide then against the sides, on the top edge of the female / under the lip onf the male connector to wedge them apart form both ends. Very easy and quick once you know how to do it.
I wish the A380 was low enough power to go into into a single slot low profile computer, i've got an HTPC that most of the time spends its time transcoding video, but the RX6400 is good enough for the rare occasion i play games on it.
Heck i'd like an A330, slap a crap single slot 1/2 height cooler on it and charge $90 for it, as long as i can get AVI i'd be happy
"I need alcohol."
I forsee the next "Thanks Steve" clip.
Yes, I reported the spambot.
I think the A380 is really interesting. I'm putting together a new HTPC setup which should do high-resolution high-framerate video playback, support HDMI 2.1, and not struggle too much with some casual gaming and video game emulation. It's gonna be running as a VM with some PCIe devices passed through on my home server, which already utilizes the iGPU on my CPU for media transcode. I want the HTPC VM to be able to play the raw media files though, so I want a dedicated GPU to pass through. Seeing as the lowest-end models Nvidia and AMD have on offer with support for AV1 decode and HDMI 2.1 are the RTX 3050 (not really the same price range) and the RX6400 (same price range but not close to competitive), I'm really looking forward to the A380 launching as a retail model in the rest of the world as it's actually pretty unique in its value proposition, assuming the price stays somewhere around the $150 mark.
Sure the Gunnir card might well be better built. But as shown by your own review, that doesn't matter much vs RX6400.
I agree that the 6400 is an awful cash grab of a product that shouldn't be at that price (or even exist maybe). But at least it doesn't require PCI-E POWER and will fit in absolutely any case.
Which is not the case with the Intel car about 2 years too late and already too expensive with sh*t driver support.
And if you want a real joke, why not look at the 1630 ?
Another player has entered the game, and hopefully, it will bring competition and innovation. Never a good idea to have only two manufacturers dictating everything.
PS
that iso noise in the shadows, its a dance party! 😬
The color scheme on this A380 matches really well with GN's.
Little did he know, rx 6400 would outperform this Intel gpu
I’d wait to see the results.
We saw the results. This card is not quite as good as the 6400.
Really it trades blows, the A380 won sometimes. I think it’s mostly drivers causing the issue really. The big difference (to me at least) is that the 6400 doesn’t have video encoding.
@@EdDale44135: with respect it’s not what the test showed at all. The A380 is budgeted at $130-140
The 6400 is budgeted at $150-160
The 1650 is budgeted at $150-160
You saw a card under budget by 23%. With the clear priority on the cooling under perform by between 9-15%
So for it’s price point. It over performed per dollar by 8%. With zero driver tweaking. Something Nvidia and Amd have got 20 years experience in.
@@jugganaut33 do you think it is possible for vendors to make a low profile version of a380, so that it might be even cheaper?
I had an MSI 1050ti Gaming X. That cooler was reasonably good for that level of performance.
Laughed out loud at, "Into the 'UNKONW.'"
Even the box is wrong, "UNKNOW__."
😏
I’m surprised GN haven’t done a vid on oak ridges frontier being they are breaking world records in supercomputing
Loved the simplicity, but some love on the vrms and is golden intel
Idk if I've ever cared about a GPU less than the a380, (especially since it's not viable for old budget rigs), but I'm commenting , and liking for the algorithm.
dude I wish GPUs couldve used the x8 slot like 6 years ago, wouldve made dual GPUs easier. Back in the day I bought a i7 6900X so I could run duals without having PCIE lane issues
I find it weirdly funny that the Rx 6400 is competing and sometimes outperforming cards like 3-4 times it's size
Sound of ATI and 3dfx from the dead..."Why did you do this..." 12:01
Was that a teaser for the yearly "build me"? 🤔 That 6400 looked pretty mad to be abused like that.
I remember the Intel740 AGP card.
Too bad I don't have it anymore. (Threw it out after I got a hold of a Voodoo3 3000 AGP)
That yellow material between die and substrate is called underfill. Just FYI. Great content as always.
Love your videos and steadfast approach to non-influenced reporting of the computing space! It really promotes trust. Just a question... what's with the video quality this time? There's an odd "noise" across all of the darks. Anyway, great content as always!
19:21 is top tier comedy gold
The AMD RX6400 card is a corporate card, I'm not sure what the fixation on the cooler is because that's what you would expect to get.