I was really sad when they retconned the Phoenix Man fight. The original was incredible. Lore reasons etc, I get it, but there were just some big missteps in the redraw. They tried to make his Prominence Hawk form bulky and Hulk-esque, I'm guessing to show his power, but the retconned version already displayed how you don't need every strong character to look beefy to be strong. Just seemed kind of basic and boring to include. Great vid as always!
I never read the redraw version, but the retconned version phoenix man fight is interesting to me because {making phoenix man rip off his custom which is what gives him the power} is a silly but imaginative way to win against such extremely OP character. It is just more interesting than Saitama showing up.
Saitama showing up and resolving the fight, can be an interesting when it serves other purposes, like developing character like kings and his courage (in elder centipede fight) or developing raman rider's character or saitamas character (in deep sea king fight)... but if it is overused or used in a purposeless way, it would just be boring.
Imagine giorno puts phoenix man in infinite death loop but then phoenix man gets so strong he just breaks the infinite death loop.
Gotta clarify that ppl don’t really die in the inf death loop, they get reverted right before they die so that they will be forced to experience an entirely different death (although if what u said did happen, phoenix man would be so op)
@@doctorhelthyeah cus if they actually died that would mean the pain would stop I think
@@doctorhelth near death experiences still boosts his power just not at the same level as dying
I wish we got to see more from Orochi maybe instead of psykos taking control of the fusion Orochi took control
He lowkey was taking control but I think he didn't have the strength after getting smacked up by saitama
@@unlucky4407you right, he really didnt. I dont understand why people keep saying psychorochi is above orochi when psykos only combine with orochi cell which is his weakest state.
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Also I think GOD gave psykos control I wish Orochi took control it would’ve been epic he was about to sacrifice and take over psykos but then GOD came
@@kanohagito8638 phykorochi is stonher that orochi since "GOD" gave some power
technically sage centipede is still Orochi, technically Orochi is the Monster that we saw the most
Pheonix man is potentially god level threat that's why author save him for later
And also I think pheonix man got this one
See the problem here is Orochi can figure out his abilities after just one death but Phoenix man doesn't know about Orochi's Gaia Canon which is a huge advantage for orochi.
@@fluxgamer1376 but gaia cannon isn't an instant attack it take time to borrow energy from earth's core and pheonix man is smart enough to find out something big is coming
@@Baki.7411 Yeah but Orochi took saitama to the underground temple way under the hideout so if he takes phoenix man there he won't have anything to rely on.
I remember clearly reading one of the retcon pheonix man chapter and Murata stated in the chapter that Pheonix man was his favorite Monster
Yes new vid and its about Phenix man is one of my favorite anti villains in OPM
Me just realizing the bird from s2 is phoenix man 💀
Glad you called him Wild Emperor lol
Very Respectful
I have a feeling Phoenix Brilliant Eagle Mode going to come back later in the series maybe he get a power up by god like Garou did this was a good video tho it crazy how powerful he is with the resurection ability it should work on heroes to I don't think it was ever stated to only effect monsters so he just become an upstopable force adding every hero that dies to his army of monsters
Nah, why would God power up a random guy in a costume, that would be ridiculous to god considering he knows how powerful garou so thats why he gave him power, and has no idea how phoenix man works.
@@MrWeird-mu5ulyou say that yet he literally became one of the strongest dragon class monsters. His ability to keep reviving with a new form is broken. If he gets a powerup from God, it would potentially be far greater than cosmic fear Garou.
@@gammafrost But far weaker than saitama, so it doesnt matter even if he surpasses Cosmic Garou which wont happen he will still lose to saitama. He was one of the powerful but still weaker than other dragons. Chances of that guy even being seen by god is extremely slim, Garou got his powers because hw was seen as strong by god, he fking bulged the entire earth, which currently phoenix man could not do and was fighting what god sought out to destroy, so ofc he was seen by god.
@@gammafrostFirst off Garou was already strong when he received powers from god, what made him stronger is the fact that he knows the flow of energy due to martial arts combined with the power of explosive growrh and you got yourself the most broken character in OPM apart from blast and saitama, Second the other reason Garou even got that strong is that he was conscious, he almost became a mindless puppet if he took the full hand, if he did he would not be able to gain extensive knowledge of energy flow which would make him weaker than his current cosmic form.
You're the one power scaling (if thats even the proper term for what you do) channel I actually enjoy watching.
Great same series fights, different universe fights are also quite nice.
You also feel waaaaaaaay more grounded and more mature than any other power scaler out there. You actually act like a respectable adult and not like a manchild.
Also you talk about interesting situations and the less mind bogglingly dumb universes.
Anyways, you're doing great!
@@YacineScaleshave you read re: zero? If so, would you consider analysing Regulus vs Gojo? I find it interesting imagining how their abilities would interact
@@YacineScales one reminder so this channel will not be overtaken by kids. Dont ever include dbz vs opm fights in your vids in the future or else you'll even receive death threats from dbz fans. "just dont"
Couldn't phoenix have a controlled monster kill him so he can ressurect over and over? Very cheap way of gaining power but the conrolled monster woulldn't take of his suit so he basically has an infinite exp glitch.
Just being killed likely wouldn't do it. While specific to him, PM's resurrection ability, and the boosts he gets are directly related to the limit breaking process of monsterization; wherin you have to endure life threatening combat situations that push you to the brink of death.
If PM allowed himself to be killed on repeat by a weaker monster he probably wouldn't grow much as a result.
He probably didn't know at first so he never attempted to get someone to kill him.
Even if he did, it'd have to be someone extremely strong because of how much stronger he gets each resurrection.
I didn't even know phoenix man fight got retconned, I read the original version and didn't see it got changed, discovered it through this video, lmao 😅
This guy is so underrated
5:17 I think it's very respectful of you to call him by his new name :)
This is a close fight for sure with prep time, but personally, I do think Orochi would probably be able to eventually completely disintegrate Phoenix Man with the Gaia Canon and ultimately kill him due to the sheer implied scale of the attack. But yeah, it could definitely go either way.
W dude 9k sub...congrats 🎉...
pheonixman is just too op if it wasnt for the plot armour that a tiCkle bug got him
just opm things xd if he kept evoleing he would be invinCible
and to top it up they did not even kill him and he is a good guy now maybe he will return in future to help fight god and i hope he does
@@datmedetbek5165 i don't think so
He litterly turned into a chick and even helped kids and after getting defeated he doesn't seem evil anymore he is actually a good guy inside
Unlike black sperm xd
@@Demon-eu6wd He just helped them cross the street, I don’t know how it makes you think it turned him magically “good” also you do realise characters can put on an act. And putting on an act is a way for Phoenix man to stay low, until his powers will return. Keep also in mind that he tried to forcefully monsterize child emperor and tried to kill him.
@@datmedetbek5165 hey 11 months late here, but phoenix man did say to child emperor that he did try to gain more power to return to his former self, but he failed. afterwards, he found a job in helping kids cross the street and did state that he's happy with his line of work. sure, you can argue that he's putting up an act. but judging from his statement and attitude, it seems he's slowly changing into a good guy. you also gotta remember that time in opm is pretty slow compared to ours, so ofc its gonna take time for him to have a change of heart.
An idea for the next video could be something like verse vs one person.
Like, how about the weakest OPM character that can dolo the MHA verse. By weakest OPM character, I mean the character that extreme diffs the MHA verse
Amazing Video as always
It’s funny how out of all power scalers, you are the only one who I don’t skip and watch the whole video,
Btw in my opinion I think Phoenix man would win against orochi mid diff
Hot take: orochi is small planetary+
I hyper wave motion cannoned the subscribe button, and applied a touch so exact to the like button that it hasn’t realized it’s been liked.
love the sneak on child emperor being called WILD emperor
Yeah, Phoenix man is being underrated for so long, if not for saitama, he must gonna be a huge threat
Thats exactly the point, every single monster in the OPM verse would be a threat if Saitama didnt exist, including blast cause he is broken.
phoenix man is so underrated bro imagine if he kept on resurrecting
nxt video-monster garou(fp) vs tatsumaki(fp)
pls
also , none of them is holding back
Shares a video thanking us for 9k, reaches 10k and now he has to do another vid very quickly to thank us for 10k
Imagine pheonixman find boros Corpse, man he would crush everyone other than Cosmic fear garou, Saitama, blast
Let’s get this man too 10k please
Could’ve sworn the original title said it was close
Phoenix Man as Child Emperor Sidekick or Friend is Amazing
Can you do a Saitama vs Blast video next then a Garou vs Orochi video next please.
If phoenix man is stronger than his recorded physical stats and everything; he can win against someone who is similar or slightly stronger, yet it depends on many things, if a battle between phoenix Man and some S or A class heroes vs several powerful monsters it will be ambiguious, it depends on match-ups andd powers in all involved people.
A Jedi knight who is a near master level overall (without restriction of teachings while using the sense of justice and strong love to all) will have no sweat taking out a demon level threat, a dragon level threat will be challenging yet it depends on size and physical attributes.
A Jedi knight's abilities vary yet they usually have vast amount of powerful abilities, they can unlock by their feelings, they could also have many powerful sense feats, even augment their abilities(physical, force powers or energetic powers themselves.)
The physical skills of a Jedi knight varies between each one, they typically have very confident skill of fencing, dueling, or deflecting laserfire or making a defensive shelter with their lightsaber, depending on the person.
A lightsaber can Cut through everything that is not beskar(heat and plasma resistant metal), the plasma blade can deflect or stop incoming lasers or electric currents, even ship lasers a lightsaber can deflect it all.
What the fuck are talking about? This is a video comparison of one punch man characters, that is not related to Star Wars at all.
And physically average demon speed blitzes any Jedi knight.
Cool comcept, but orochi is someone who can fight on part with Golden and Platinum S, with Platinum probably outspeeding him. Phoenix man can't do shit apart from get one-shot 50 times until he evolves enough xd, but we never saw such a version of him so rhat is just speculation.
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Can you do a Orochi vs Boros next.
We need more bright white slick villains/heroes.
I've always like the design white and gold or white and blue.
They need to make a 2D fighting game for OPM, fitherz style.
U should do yujiro Hanma vs tank top master
Yuijiro would destroy tank top master, Yuijiro can stop an earthquake with a single punch
@@josealeksandrovich4154Which is scaled to town level meanwhile Tank Top Master rivals the AP of post G4 Genos who is far stronger than the town level destructive attack he did during the house of evolution arc.
Pls do phenix man vs monster Garoua whose growth/adaptation is stronger
@@coom6932 he will he’ll just get stronger than Garoua adaptation rate and defeat him 💁
@@greatminikwu9089 no he fucking won’t. Garou has the highest and the fastest adaptability in the series. What the FUCK are you talking about?
He would just speedblitz and one shot phoenix man or just send him to the moon.
Can you do all form of Orochi vs all form of Garou but Cosmic fear not included.
PM Brilliant Eagle Mode was his last form
If it wasnt a 4th form would still be not enough to beat Orochi
Brilliant Eagle wouldnt even be able to harm DS or take a DS hit
But thanks to the redraw now PM Brilliant Mode will be above dragon for sure
Are you able to put links to your calcs in the description. Because to be honest. On 90% of calcs I’ve seen it’s easy to call bullshit.
To me, if an attack has been used and it hasn’t destroyed multiple continents, it cannot be multi-continent level and I have to call bullshit.
Maybe if it took down a character who survived a continental attack before I could understand it. But most of the time I’m calling bullshit.
The power scaling community is sorta my guilty pleasure, but the calcing part of it is definitely the worst part.
This has probably been written more than once, but it seems to me that if the Phoenix Man (before the retcon) continues to die and reborn, eventually he will look like an angel/Seraphim
Why did you refer to then Child Emperor as Wild Emperor? I'm just curious.
@@YacineScales right. I was confused because he was still Child... during the Monster & Garou arcs. He's only recently changed for the new arcs. It seemed slightly out of place. IMHO
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Really wish Orochi got more love. Cool and amazing character nonetheless.
Remember me when you are famous. :)
Bro could you do saitama vs goku I swear it’ll go viral 🙏🙏🙏
imagine if he could bring back boros
I miss Phoenicx Man before get nerfed, Orochi will be completely bullied 😂
Orochi got done so dirty man, he is a prodigy and fighting genius capable of imitating styles with a single glance, can spam blasts stronger than even rover, versatility due to metamorphosis and probably many more.
It wouldnt be so far stretched to say he can spam the gaia cannon if he has time to absorb the energy.
Not to mention he looks so terrifying and scary, perfect to be the the Monster King.
Wished Orochi would do more ngl.
Since Drive Knight took some of his dna, there’s a good chance his story isn’t done yet.
10kth sub :))))
What's to say in the fight is he forces the resurrection boost by intentanaly take leathel blows
Not even close. Pheonix man is overpowered in Hax but Orochi is superior in every other way.
Exactly, Orochi would defeat Phoenix Man with one blow. This guy misses with most of the videos he makes
Hell, forget Orochi, I've seen people say Phoenix Man could defeat Boros, Garou, and *even* Saitama because of his ability, Phoenix Man fans are insane
@@wubba6262 He would defeat Phoenix Man with one blow and he would come back far stronger...
I think in the final arc of OPM God will empower some characters to take on Blast's team while he takes care of Saitama.
One of them will be Phoenix Man and his ability to resurrect will be more OP than ever to the point of being able to resurrect very powerful monsters like Orochi or Boros.
It would be like the fourth ninja war in Naruto.
This is a very solid Theory and it will for sure surpass the fourth ninja war from Naruto, Marine ford from One piece and even the Tournemant of Power from DBZ if god actually includes the evil Saitama who failed to save earth and went beserk to fight Saitama or post future awekened Garou (without god's power) while Saitama and god clash thorugh spaces, inside black holes, in different dimensions etc...
Saitama's team will have: god's TEAM:
-Blast n his crew -Pheonix man reawakened by god
-Zombieman -Black S
-Evil natural water/now cosmos gas
-Awakened full potential Tatsumaki n Fubuki - Psychos
-King (somehow) -Boros ressurected
-Fully Awakened Garou -Evil Saitama
@@Ticking-time-bomb Thank you.
It probably surpasses the fourth ninja war because it had a good number of errors and even Naruto fans are not very happy. I didn't see One Piece so I can't comment. And I don't think it will surpass the tournament of power.
I think Team Saitama would be:
-Genos (the leader)
-Garou (I think he will overcome the power of his cosmic form without receiving help)
-king
-the blast team
-metal bat
-tatsumaki
-Black Sperm (with a more powerful form than Platinum)
-flashy flashy
-rover
-atomic samurai
-sonic
-maybe a few more
The team God would be:
-Phoenix man
-Boros resurrected
-orochi
-psykos
-the ninja boss
-a giant centipede
-maybe some neoheroes
Nah lol, Saitama kills GOD immediately, cause you know, thats the point of One Punch Man, it doesnt matter if you are god or not, the main character will always win, it has been confirmed multiple times, even going as far as giving garou the most broken abilities imaginable but still couldnt put a dent on saitama.
@@maderadealmendra123Reviving Boros is like the stupidest thinf ive ever seen, Boros has done his job in the series, showcase that even the dominator of the universe couldnt stand a chance against saitama, we already have Boris from blasts team.
@@maderadealmendra123This theory is impossible to even become apart of the OPM verse and the OPM verse is already filled with ridiculous things, this is too ridiculous for even the verse.
wtf phoenix man has a domain expansion
pls do why goku vs saitama isnt cloce i am alread know who would win but some peoples just being fans and dont acknowledge saiatmas power so pls do it this video
asking for 15th time: Goku Vs Saitama
Can you do Monster Garou vs Meliodas
Further ugly vs dark shine (not vfu) or Amai mask vs zombie man
Why did one punch man have redraws
I have the king of all matchups ( literallt )
Monster King Orochi vs the man, the myth, the strongest man on Earth… KING!!
Shouldn't the title say, "is close?"
Bug God and Royal ripper vs Puri Prui Prisoner?
Child emperor and Phoenix man are Domain Expansion user 🤔
Wait, is this for real??????????
Orochi who can extract a piece of earth’s core, cause a global earthquake, matching a serious move, being defeated by phoenix man?
man, there is fanboys and theres is you, something beyond that level LOL
Man imagine if Pheonix man could get his hands on Boros's dead body. Discounting saitama hed instantly just skyrocket to largest threat. Hell he could even have Boros kill him again, and get a free power boost off thay xD
1:08 what about ENO? hes the strongest monster from the MA
Phoenix man vs zombie man,bomb And sliverfang😊
how is this a debate ? base orochi rips him into shreads in seconds
Phoenixman is kabuto from naruto, or solo levelling mc, has the power to resurrect the dead😮, we want saitama to fight phoenixman one to one
Phoenix man was my favorite monster to come out of the MA arc. Both of his fights were drawn so well and he was a goofy character
Isn’t phoenix man just a guy with a costume
Watchdog man vs flashy flash
The simp Virgin King Vs the true king Phoenix Chad.
15:17-Welp,the title is a lie then!
The power of peingun
Phoenix Man might resurrect God.
Pheonix man going to return in costume monster arc as we already got introduced to 3 costume monsters-
Watchdog man
Pheonix man
Pesky clown
10k you mean + me
pre retcon was alot cooler
pre redraw phoenix man 1taps orochi ngl
he launched a heat to the moon and destroy the crust of the earth
Phoenix man was defeated by a child
Orochi was killed by king the strongest man in the entire universe
Only Preredraw Pheonix Man.
I hate the ret-cons.
Wild emperor lol
phoenix man whit prep time>>>> saitama
repeated suicide?
Phoenix man win he has better feats
psykos orchi is a weak form of orochi he lost all of his power sacrifices when saitama obliterate his body and leave him no choice to forcefully regain his body by absorbing everything arounds him but it doesn't mean he regain his power, and foremost God choses psykos to be his host not orochi we can say it's more like psykos tatsumakis battling than orochi
Phoenix man is so underrated, he’s a beast
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 9K , You can suggest me Matchups to do and i'll make sure to add them to the list
nxt video-monster garou(fp) vs tatsumaki(fp)
pls
also , none of them is holding back
The goat has Cooked the Gs!!
Man, you deserve more tbh lol.
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The multiple armed and winged Garou with Energy Projection No-Low diffs Tatsumaki.
Perfect Cell Regeneration vs Saitama manga no holding back plz