That is what I was wondering as well. If FSU was not one of the best 4 fine, but why were they still ranked in the top 4 going into Championship weekend? Texas and Alabama, Oregon should have leap frogged them right after the Jordan Travis injury
Thank you! I hadn't even thought of this issue yet! What an excellent point! If that's what FSU is, then why were they ranked so high right up to the very end?
That’s an interesting point I’ve been thinking about myself but my guess would be that they were withholding judgement incase they pulled a 2014 OSU and continued to play in a dominant fashion before dropping them. My only issue with it is that with their logic they still should’ve ranked UGA above them. UGA and Bama are just as good as one another imo.
@@crabsarnt4saleExcept we all remember when a two loss LSU team won the Natty, because they were the best team. FSU isn't. Their strength of schedule is nowhere near Bama and neither is their impressive wins. Bama literally just beat the 1 team that hadnt lost a game in 2 years in essentially an away game. There's no win comparable this season. FSU should stop scheduling weak opponents.
I think so. And that is the main issue. If the Jordan Travis injury changed FSU as a team, then FSU should have been out of the top 5 way before Championship weekend. Instead not did they keep them in, they actually moved them up. Just a fucked situation all around. This could have been avoided.
They don’t spend much time thinking about the non final ranking and just bank in their assumptions. There was no reason Oregon should have been ahead of Texas and Bama, and there was plenty of other questionable things down the rankings. Oklahoma State is also one of the most overrated teams and was a paper tiger.
Am I the only person who thinks the committee got it right? G Tech fan here so I don’t have a dog in the fight but the Committee always said they were going to pick the 4 best teams and this year they finally did it. No one actually thinks FSU is better than Bama or Texas who in my opinion are the two best teams in the country and will probably play in the Natty. I tip my cap to the Committee for having the balls to make this unpopular choice and I’m quite frankly surprised so many College Football fans are as outraged as they are. It’s unfortunate and I feel bad for FSU, but we got the best teams in. Hang a banner if you beat UGA by all means
It’s clear people aren’t thinking about it rationally when they refuse argue about Texas being over them and only talk about Bama. Also, all the crying about undefeated but no mention of Liberty. The reason g5 doesn’t get the respect is because everyone knows they have weak schedules but no one seems to care that FSU had a weak schedule because they’re “power 5”
Jake just speaks in absolutes. The committee have criteria. Bama has a stronger schedule and has the best win in the NCAA and a loss to a team that’s in the playoff. FSU has a 55 strength of schedule, their starting QB is out, and the backup didn’t impress. They picked the four best.
I bet the West Virginia fans don't feel sorry for Florida ST. I remember FSU being shown favoritism and got into the National Championship one year with one loss over a team that was undefeated (WV) 1993.
Definitely not corruption 😂 is it unfair absolutely but not corrupt. If this was the NFL than undefeated should matter but it's not and there are 5 power 5 conferences which means one has to be left out no matter what. That means you could have 5 undefeated power 5 conference champions and still one would have to be left out. So the system itself is the problem and thankfully next year it won't matter because 12 teams will get in. Also can we stop with the well they won a power 5 conference championship argument so they have to be in? So did Alabama and every other team in the top 5. The question then turns to which championship means more and people may hate this but the SEC championship means more! No one in their right mind would say Florida State on their third string QB would have beat Alabama or Georgia and been SEC champions they are champs because they play in the ACC and got to play Louisville. Put Alabama or Georgia in the ACC and they would be champs and undefeated just about every year😂 Does it suck for Florida State and their fans absolutely but is it corruption not at all and when Georgia plays Florida State in the bowl game everyone can shut up because they will watch Florida state get smacked.
Even when I think “most deserving” I think resume. Alabama’s resume is far better than FSU. If being undefeated is all that mattered then there would never be a G5/P5 distinction. SOS matters. And I commend FSU for their scheduling of LSU. But if your best win is at 9-3 it’s not good. That same team is Bama’s 3rd best win. It’s not corruption, it’s an unpleasant reality.
Blame it on the unknowledgeable committee! The way Bama played from the beginning they weren't smart enough to take into account Bama has the best coach in college football and always improves and ranked them as if they were a high school team and as the season went on they never changed their mind and it came back to bite them in the end.
Auburn fan here, it sucks for FSU but the same thing happened to Auburn in 04 with an undefeated SEC team with no injuries. It sucks but FSU would not have won the playoffs
@@CBORR2 Yep! No excuses. If they want to prove the committee wrong they should play UGA like it's their super bowl and the way they've played the past couple of weeks I don't think they would stand a chance against UGA's 2nd string, much less 1st string.
FSU got screwed by the ACC commissioner. He was part of the alliance that tried to “slow” down the playoffs expansion. We could have had that this year but your commissioner screwed you.
God I hope you don't have children. To think of the fan base, about the conferences, and the 18-22 year old kids who have been told like the rest of us that if you do all you were asked you still won't get what you deserve.
@@Maher-ub6vuCome back after georgia beats florida state 60 to 7 like they did TCU last year and then tell us about how florida state, who struggled to put up 16 points on a luisville team that a bottom feeder SEC team hung 30 on a week before, deserves to be in the playoffs.
@@michaelbradley7621 I hate FSU, I am a die hard mostly dying lately Miami Hurricanes fan, but just stating facts here, the sport has to be about more than old guys like us, these lessons learned by these young men has to count. Just saying. Have a great day bud.
No your Right , FSU is the best team in CFP and would have ran through Mi, TX, Bama, UGA, Washington, no FSU would have gotten beating down and received their precipitation trophy and told every one we are back , sold lies to recruits, FSU has been frauds even before FSU QB injury
People out here saying when Georgia rolls FSU there won't be any argument why FSU was left out. But you know 💯 if FSU beats Georgia they'll quickly say "Oh well Georgia wasn't at full strength so it doesn't matter." 😂
For the past couple of weeks, the chairman had been harping on "the 4 best not the 4 most deserving". In past years, this hasnt been much of an issue because the 4 best were the 4 most deserving. Now we had 5 teams that deserved to get in. FSU's biggest mistake was leaving doubt in the committee and when you leave it up to a committee, you're gonna get a decision you don't like. I used a phrase to describe it that I can't repeat here on UA-cam.
The committee simply followed the instructions of the powers that be at ESPN! This is why ESPN would never 15:03 have allowed any type of system based on merit rather than subjectivity.
@@thomasfrederick71 Imo, the playoff should have been 6 teams with 5 conf champs and a wild card. Wild Card should have been determined by best record against P5 competition and, if needed, 4 or 5 objective tie breakers.
@@Dabogeyman0719 best record vs power 5? Guess the good teams should all just schedule vandy, rutgers, cal, and Stanford for there out of conference. There are group if 5 teams better than power 5 teams. The distinction isn’t worth using when looking at specific teams. So long as schedules create these silos of teams that have only played each other and weak out of conference opponents (including power 5) there wont be an objective fair way of doing things. Expansion just moves out the team the gets ripped off so people don’t care as much about the team being screwed.
No need to worry if a QB gets hurt between now and the games they will all self report and pull out of the playoff because they all know just how important it is to have their number 1 QB.
Uh the committee literally gave them a chance to prove they didn’t need Jordan Travis. That’s why they were still ranked in top four up until the final rankings. How can you not see this?
Unfortunately all the CFP committee cares about is money. If it was about getting it right, FSU would be in and Bama would be rightfully left out. If the games don't matter, then choose your top 4 brands, draft projections, etc. at the start and go straight to the playoffs. This was all about money and pleasing the SEC. Bama getting the silver spoon treatment isn't new, but it is disappointing
The community didn't want a tcu issue again. When they play georgia in the bowl game and if georgia blows them out the committee will feel more comfortable with there decision
What's being ignored amid all this outrage is bama winning the SEC championship game is the ONLY thing that happened to even create the chaos for FSU to have meaningful consideration in the discussion. Think about it, in hindsight, we see the committee was already going to put Texas in over FSU. The other 3 (Mich, GA, Wash) would've been a lock if GA wins. So 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒕 bama winning, FSU is totally out.
"I don't blame the committee" What!? That is such a disappointment to hear. "Eye test"? So Blain just admits (and later Jake says ought right)that this is nothing more than a highly produced beauty contest and seems like that’s okay. Criteria? What about the other criteria, like say, winning? Seems like only Jake is as hot and bothered by this as one ought to be. David and Blain are trying way to hard to try to rationalize the non rational and find the logic in the illogical. I appreciate that they can actually admit that FSU should be in the top four because "it's the right thing to do" but adding on qualifiers is enabling the corruptness in the system that is more obvious now than ever. Y'all just made a movie to make fun of and destroy the narrative of the absurdness of false equivalency. I, for some naïve reason, expected more from you guys. "Alabama v Michigan" is more "compelling"? A better "match-up"? As if by just saying those words, its truth. No, its opinion and it’s the same opinion the committee had that stripped away a whole team's body of work. And I suspect, because what else are y'all going to do, you'll just continue to enable this sort of BS by participating in it. Enablers. The viewership of the playoffs will be good and it will show the committee that they don't have to "do what's right" just what is best for their bottom line. Which really just means the college football season, as it stands, is arbitrary and meaningless.
Agreed. I blame the committee. They are the ones who made the decision. I think it is legitimate corruption. They are getting paid. Why would the top 2 schools that bring in the most revenue jump FSU? someone got paid. I think many people got paid.
ESPN had to get SEC in, that meant Bama and Texas had to leap frog over FSU, used Jordan’s injury as an excuse. FSU isn’t good enough to play against those top 4, why rank them front of Georgia? The Committee screwed FSU and that was in the works long before Jordan got hurt.
@@Jiibay7796Because Alabama beat Georgia who was number 1 in the country all season and the fact that the committee put Alabama over Florida State the only right thing to do was to put Florida State over Georgia
Georgia is going to absolutely skull drag FSU and people are going to stop pretending that FSU belonged in the top 4. In 2014 FSU was the third seed, behind two Power 5 champions each with one loss. Because everyone knew they sucked, but you had to respect the record. So the precedent for this was already there. And when FSU got blitzed by a good team at the end of December, we knew they got it right.
The committee gave FSU a chance to prove they had real qb depth, and they failed miserably. They struggled into the 4th quarter with a Florida team who also didn’t have their starting qb, had they won that game 35-6 I think they get in. Also Clemson having a down year really hurt the Noles as well.
Let's breakdown the 5 pieces of the criteria: 1. Conf Champions - Draw 2. SOS - Bama 3. Common Opp - FSU 4. H2H - N/A 5. Key injuries - Bama I believe FSU should've been in, however the criteria the conferences agreed upon favors Bama.
Had Georgia won, there would have been four undefeated conference champions in the playoff. One team loses (Georgia) and loud people seem to think that wins somehow didn’t matter in light of FSU being left out. For those interested in FSU, a confluence of outcomes broke against them. Every bit of the regular season, and championship week mattered.
Strength of Schedule matters when you look horrible with your "star" quarterback against teams like Boston College and Clemson. The the only reason you are so highly rated is cause you beat a LSU with a bottom 20 defense at the beginning of the Season. Teams need to be punished for having horrible schedules and the committee made an example out of FSU. They do not have a single top 10 end of season win, they also struggled against a defense Kentucky walked all over. The committee avoided another TCU and when Georgia beats FSU by 50 I cant wait to never hear about this again.
I’m serious about this…. if I was the FSU head coach, I would demand change by taking action. I would boycott the orange bowl, take my entire FSU team to the rose bowl , and lead my team in a silent safe protest into the field right at the start of the bama Michigan game, dressed and suited up. Exploit the bad integrity and character of the CFP. Disruption brings about change!
Want to see if you guys can look into this, for the second time i heard "yesterday no name" but like 4 days ago Ohio State alumni Maurice Clarett scouted, recruited Arch Manning about coming to Ohio State, wouldn't that be considered advanced scouting? Like Connor Stalions did, and Coach Harbaugh took the fall for, Steve Deace says it's very vague how the NCAA describes advanced scouting.🤔
Someone paid the committee to put Texas and Alabama in the playoff. It is plain and simple. I don't know why no one is discussing how much the committee got paid. My guess is a million each from both schools.
And by "can't perform" you mean what? Win? Cause FSU was down 13-0 before Travis got hurt, but the team won the game. Then the next week, they won another. And the week after that, they won their Conference Championship. And between all three of those game (after the injury), FSU allowed one (quite disputable as a gift from the refs) touchdown.. So, what do you mean "can't perform"? Do you mean they don't look as pretty as another team winning. Okay? So what? Then just admit this is a beauty pageant and the prettiest get a chance to compete.
At the start of the video you wondered why FSU was ahead of Ohio St and Georgia. That would be because FSU was a conference champion, and that matters in the playoff criteria
I personally blame Jordan Travis for purposely breaking his own leg. But it is comforting to know I don’t have to waste my December watching these garbage WWE performance games.
Pretty bad for FSU. I don't understand how a 2 time defending champ is jumped over by a 1 loss UT team. I understand Alabama since they beat them. But to fall all the way out and have #7 leapfrog them? 1 loss in 3 years and they are not in the playoff? Talk about broken.
Love the show, this is the best episode ever, Timmy B is the man, speak the truth, shout out to Booger McFarland for being the only one with Cajones on that stupid clown show
Why aren't you people crying about undefeated Florida State being left out of the playoffs also crying about undefeated Liberty being left out of the playoffs? SOS matters.
Love the show/podcast, one of the best available. Arguing that Alabama should not get in because of a single criteria point (injury), while at the same time arguing FSU should be in based on a single point (record) is illogical. Alabama has strength of schedule and best win over FSU. But, how boring would sports be without debate? Keep up the good work boys.
Absolutely, record and undefeated. Both are conference champions, so that is a wash. Alabama has best win and a significantly higher strength of schedule. So, based on that criteria it’s a toss up; therefore, outlier criteria has to be considered.
Because the Georgia/Alabama/Texas head-to-head match-up results. If LSU or Florida were in this conversation, that criteria would fall in FSU's favor. If FSU came out and embarrassed Louisville, this conversation would be moot. They did not. That game was painful to watch. It sucks, but it was going to suck for several teams no matter the decision. Treating this like some moral failing is just ridiculous.
If 5 of the Five power conferences goes 13- O in the same season minus four playoffs spots, one will be left out despite doing everything they could possibly do.
@@andrewker3871 agreed. But Bama has more ranked wins, the best win of the season, the better loss. Texas was beating BYU and Houston while Bama was beating Texas A&M and LSU
@@timwilliams8343 it’s not hate its facts. The only reason Texas was even considered was they beat Bama, and that’s something to look at yes. But Bama has the better wins over ranked opponents, and Texas only beat one true opponent.
Do yall think it maybe wasn't about getting Bama in, rather making sure Washington gets a matchup theyre more likely to lose since the Pac-12 is done after this year?
“They have a common opponent that they beat worse than you” bro the score is almost exactly the same check it like it was 24-45 and then 28-42 like stop acting like it was a huge difference
FSU did everything they needed to do and were still left out. SEC Bias is unreal. 13- 0 and two teams with one loss still got in. It is crazy and pathetic. How winning a ACC Championship against a top 15 team with a 3rd string quarterback who is a true freshman making his first evert start is not impressive. This is just about the money and the SEC ties it is an abslute joke and travesty. No committee can say one player holds this much value. They still found a way to win!
It’s bigger than disappointment for the players and coaches and football org for FSU. Economic activity for Tally and recruiting impact. Cone’s statement about more compelling matchup with regard to Mich Bama shows he is also a proponent of this snub.
Dude Jordan Travis foot was facing the other way in 4K. The issue is the FSU backups are god-awful. If those QBs were competent, FSU would be in. BTW people are mad it's Alabama who got the 4 seed. If Georgia beat Alabama, FSU would have been in because you couldn't put Alabama in without Texas due to head to head.
Where were you the last 9 years. The committee never has put the 4 best teams in the playoffs. If you say that you’re a liar. Even before Jordan Travis injury ESPN told us the committee will never leave a SEC team. So now we decide best teams by best tv matchups. Nobody thought the Giants would beat the undefeated Patriots. Nobody thought the Ravens defense could win them a Super Bowl. ESPN & the committee decided to put brands conference & tv ratings over the integrity of the game
The SEC Commissioner's favorite show is apparently a puppet program for kids. He does have a point though..."One of these things is not like the other." Yep...one of these "things" has a loss, and the other doesn't.
Im a Texas fan, but there is no chance had UGA won, Texas would've jumped FSU, even though the logic wouldve still been the same. I think thats what FSU fans should be most frustrated about. The fact Bama won killed FSU because there was no chance SEC champ was being left out.
Truth is if FSU’s QB had not gotten hurt, Bama would have jumped Texas and the rest of the day would have been spent justifying the committee’s decision.
would oddsmakers and college football know make FSU a favorite against any team in the top five thru top ten right now? If the answer is no, then how could anybody say they are a top four team.
I feel bad for FSU and there's no rule that says you have to win on offense with their starting quarterback out a really good quarterback did they beat a power 5 in-state rival at their home place the swamp which isn't easy a easy place to play and then win conference Championship by beating a good Louisville team who's probably definitely a top 15 team in the country, but Alabama beats the number one team in the nation looks like they've gotten better as the years going on and they have the best coach ever so Alabama always gets the benefit of the doubt it said if I was a FSU player or fan or involved in the school in any way I'd be upset however I think the committee unfortunately made the correct decision I'm not going to say right I'm going to say correct cuz if FSU would have gotten there I would have had no problem with it
They ruined the integrity of the sport and everyone knows it. Everything wrong with this country its not about who actually earns something its about brands and money.
I can understand the argument that Florida state makes the playoffs but what I don't understand is the hate for BAMA getting in it wasn't left up to Alabama the committee chose Alabama what do y'all think Alabama should have done say no we decline it All goes back to the hate for BAMA yes I'm happy the committee picked BAMA but if they would have chosen Florida state I understand totally and they have a good argument to get in we shouldn't have a committee to pick the teams anyway 🐘
The criteria clearly states "best" not talented, not deserving, not undefeated. Anyone willing to bet their house on Florida St against Michigan, Washington, Texas, or Alabama? I am a FSU fan, but if the criteria is "best," FSU should not in the top 10 with the current team. If criteria is "deserving," then FSU should be in.
@@jakieresykes3644 Thanks, I guess? I wasn't asking anyone who they think is the best 4 teams this season. I asked what do the best teams do. The answer is obviously they win (or so I thought) And when a team is perceived for a good three quarters of a season as a top 4 team, and they continue to win and at the end don't appear in the top 4 anymore despite never losing a game (unlike three of the five you listed), I then ask then "What do the best teams do?"
The poor me is flowing hard on this, yes auburn got beat by New Mexico and bama barely beat them. But we did just go beat Georgia🤷♂️ doesn't seem like the auburn was actually a tell of what bama is as a team
Oh how your logic is flawed Jake. The regular season games do matter. Yes it suck’s for FSU. They did everything in their power. But SOS finally mattered. Sorry it doesn’t match the horrible decisions of the past letting Notre Dame, Mich St, Cinci, etc in. Take emotion out of it, regardless of who was selected someone’s feelings were hurt. But be happy SOS was prioritized over feelings.
What's being ignored is bama winning the SEC championship game is the ONLY thing that even created the chaos for FSU to have meaningful consideration in the discussion. Think about it, in hindsight, we see now the committee was already putting Texas in over FSU. The other 3 (Mich, GA, Wash) would've been a lock IF GA wins. So 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒕 bama winning FSU is out of the discussion. To me the outrage is at the wrong team, Michigan got caught red handed cheating. THEY should be disqualified and FSU take their spot.
The "Its a business" is such a lazy argument. So if FSU is in, the business is ruined or something? If dig below the surface of that argument there is nothing there
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People were idiots if they seriously believed the sec champion wasn’t making the playoff
That is what I was wondering as well. If FSU was not one of the best 4 fine, but why were they still ranked in the top 4 going into Championship weekend? Texas and Alabama, Oregon should have leap frogged them right after the Jordan Travis injury
Well Said Sir…FSU GOT SCREWED
They never should’ve been ranked four
@@nickmarbot Yet to this day they are ranked ahead of Georgia, so I guess FSU without Travis are better than GA and OSU. Great analysis bud.
Thank you! I hadn't even thought of this issue yet! What an excellent point! If that's what FSU is, then why were they ranked so high right up to the very end?
That’s an interesting point I’ve been thinking about myself but my guess would be that they were withholding judgement incase they pulled a 2014 OSU and continued to play in a dominant fashion before dropping them. My only issue with it is that with their logic they still should’ve ranked UGA above them. UGA and Bama are just as good as one another imo.
Why is NOBODY talking about Georgia having a strength of schedule ranking of 35?????
Because they didn’t get in.
Finding a way to beat GA and finding a way to beat Louisville with a backup QB are vastly different things.
13 - 0 and 12 -1 are vastly different things.
@@crabsarnt4saleWinning doesn't matter in College Football
@@crabsarnt4saleExcept we all remember when a two loss LSU team won the Natty, because they were the best team. FSU isn't. Their strength of schedule is nowhere near Bama and neither is their impressive wins. Bama literally just beat the 1 team that hadnt lost a game in 2 years in essentially an away game. There's no win comparable this season. FSU should stop scheduling weak opponents.
Finding a way to beat auburn
@@jasonjohnson651 *Boston College
FSU without Jordan Travis is literally just Michigan with JJ McCarthy
I love that Tim Brando just doesnt GAF and says the things guys at places like ESPN and Fox Sports aren't supposed to 😂
They raised fsu from 5 to 4 after fl game wasn't travis hurt then?
I think so. And that is the main issue. If the Jordan Travis injury changed FSU as a team, then FSU should have been out of the top 5 way before Championship weekend. Instead not did they keep them in, they actually moved them up. Just a fucked situation all around. This could have been avoided.
I think they wait to see if the injury will actually affect performance of the team before baking it into the ranking.
They don’t spend much time thinking about the non final ranking and just bank in their assumptions. There was no reason Oregon should have been ahead of Texas and Bama, and there was plenty of other questionable things down the rankings. Oklahoma State is also one of the most overrated teams and was a paper tiger.
Am I the only person who thinks the committee got it right? G Tech fan here so I don’t have a dog in the fight but the Committee always said they were going to pick the 4 best teams and this year they finally did it. No one actually thinks FSU is better than Bama or Texas who in my opinion are the two best teams in the country and will probably play in the Natty. I tip my cap to the Committee for having the balls to make this unpopular choice and I’m quite frankly surprised so many College Football fans are as outraged as they are. It’s unfortunate and I feel bad for FSU, but we got the best teams in. Hang a banner if you beat UGA by all means
It’s clear people aren’t thinking about it rationally when they refuse argue about Texas being over them and only talk about Bama.
Also, all the crying about undefeated but no mention of Liberty. The reason g5 doesn’t get the respect is because everyone knows they have weak schedules but no one seems to care that FSU had a weak schedule because they’re “power 5”
Jake just speaks in absolutes. The committee have criteria. Bama has a stronger schedule and has the best win in the NCAA and a loss to a team that’s in the playoff. FSU has a 55 strength of schedule, their starting QB is out, and the backup didn’t impress. They picked the four best.
the reason they ranked ahead because they didnt expect alabama to win, nor did they expect oregon to lose
I bet the West Virginia fans don't feel sorry for Florida ST. I remember FSU being shown favoritism and got into the National Championship one year with one loss over a team that was undefeated (WV) 1993.
Y’all really be letting Tim come on this show and just RAMBLE ON AND ON
I'm not an FSU fan but this makes me sick to my stomach. Been a college football fan for a long time, but this is corruption.
Definitely not corruption 😂 is it unfair absolutely but not corrupt. If this was the NFL than undefeated should matter but it's not and there are 5 power 5 conferences which means one has to be left out no matter what. That means you could have 5 undefeated power 5 conference champions and still one would have to be left out. So the system itself is the problem and thankfully next year it won't matter because 12 teams will get in.
Also can we stop with the well they won a power 5 conference championship argument so they have to be in? So did Alabama and every other team in the top 5. The question then turns to which championship means more and people may hate this but the SEC championship means more! No one in their right mind would say Florida State on their third string QB would have beat Alabama or Georgia and been SEC champions they are champs because they play in the ACC and got to play Louisville. Put Alabama or Georgia in the ACC and they would be champs and undefeated just about every year😂
Does it suck for Florida State and their fans absolutely but is it corruption not at all and when Georgia plays Florida State in the bowl game everyone can shut up because they will watch Florida state get smacked.
Even when I think “most deserving” I think resume. Alabama’s resume is far better than FSU. If being undefeated is all that mattered then there would never be a G5/P5 distinction. SOS matters. And I commend FSU for their scheduling of LSU. But if your best win is at 9-3 it’s not good. That same team is Bama’s 3rd best win. It’s not corruption, it’s an unpleasant reality.
It is sickening as a Seminole. We had to watch our QB get hurt which was already awful then this.
Blame it on the unknowledgeable committee! The way Bama played from the beginning they weren't smart enough to take into account Bama has the best coach in college football and always improves and ranked them as if they were a high school team and as the season went on they never changed their mind and it came back to bite them in the end.
Michigan’s reaction to the #4 selection says everything we need to know. They didn’t care about FSU.
Auburn fan here, it sucks for FSU but the same thing happened to Auburn in 04 with an undefeated SEC team with no injuries. It sucks but FSU would not have won the playoffs
The "Alabama being better than FSU" is a hypothetical agrument. You never know until the game is played.
We'll see when they play Georgia if the committee got it right or wrong.
@@RonTDB Will you give them credit if neither team plays at full strength due to opt outs?
@@CBORR2 Yep! No excuses. If they want to prove the committee wrong they should play UGA like it's their super bowl and the way they've played the past couple of weeks I don't think they would stand a chance against UGA's 2nd string, much less 1st string.
@@RonTDB Fair enough. I've just heard a lot of others saying just the opposite about them giving them credit.
@@CBORR2We do know did Florida State against Louisville the mistakes that Louisville made offensively Alabama not gonna make
FSU got screwed by the ACC commissioner. He was part of the alliance that tried to “slow” down the playoffs expansion. We could have had that this year but your commissioner screwed you.
God I hope you don't have children. To think of the fan base, about the conferences, and the 18-22 year old kids who have been told like the rest of us that if you do all you were asked you still won't get what you deserve.
@@Maher-ub6vuCome back after georgia beats florida state 60 to 7 like they did TCU last year and then tell us about how florida state, who struggled to put up 16 points on a luisville team that a bottom feeder SEC team hung 30 on a week before, deserves to be in the playoffs.
"We are going to screw you, but you should have given us more spots so we can screw you slightly less" is a terrible argument.
@@michaelbradley7621 I hate FSU, I am a die hard mostly dying lately Miami Hurricanes fan, but just stating facts here, the sport has to be about more than old guys like us, these lessons learned by these young men has to count. Just saying. Have a great day bud.
No your Right , FSU is the best team in CFP and would have ran through Mi, TX, Bama, UGA, Washington, no FSU would have gotten beating down and received their precipitation trophy and told every one we are back , sold lies to recruits, FSU has been frauds even before FSU QB injury
People out here saying when Georgia rolls FSU there won't be any argument why FSU was left out. But you know 💯 if FSU beats Georgia they'll quickly say "Oh well Georgia wasn't at full strength so it doesn't matter." 😂
I know you guys are SEC guys but I really appreciate you, and particularly Jake for telling the truth.
For the past couple of weeks, the chairman had been harping on "the 4 best not the 4 most deserving". In past years, this hasnt been much of an issue because the 4 best were the 4 most deserving. Now we had 5 teams that deserved to get in. FSU's biggest mistake was leaving doubt in the committee and when you leave it up to a committee, you're gonna get a decision you don't like. I used a phrase to describe it that I can't repeat here on UA-cam.
The committee simply followed the instructions of the powers that be at ESPN! This is why ESPN would never 15:03 have allowed any type of system based on merit rather than subjectivity.
How do you turn a league with 133 teams that only has a 12 game regular season into something without subjectivity.
@@thomasfrederick71 Imo, the playoff should have been 6 teams with 5 conf champs and a wild card. Wild Card should have been determined by best record against P5 competition and, if needed, 4 or 5 objective tie breakers.
@@Dabogeyman0719 best record vs power 5? Guess the good teams should all just schedule vandy, rutgers, cal, and Stanford for there out of conference. There are group if 5 teams better than power 5 teams. The distinction isn’t worth using when looking at specific teams.
So long as schedules create these silos of teams that have only played each other and weak out of conference opponents (including power 5) there wont be an objective fair way of doing things.
Expansion just moves out the team the gets ripped off so people don’t care as much about the team being screwed.
No need to worry if a QB gets hurt between now and the games they will all self report and pull out of the playoff because they all know just how important it is to have their number 1 QB.
Uh the committee literally gave them a chance to prove they didn’t need Jordan Travis. That’s why they were still ranked in top four up until the final rankings. How can you not see this?
FSU did prove they didn't need Travis to win. Cause that's exactly what they did.
Unfortunately all the CFP committee cares about is money. If it was about getting it right, FSU would be in and Bama would be rightfully left out. If the games don't matter, then choose your top 4 brands, draft projections, etc. at the start and go straight to the playoffs. This was all about money and pleasing the SEC. Bama getting the silver spoon treatment isn't new, but it is disappointing
The community didn't want a tcu issue again. When they play georgia in the bowl game and if georgia blows them out the committee will feel more comfortable with there decision
Right is subjective
Yea because FSU isn’t a quality brand name at all.
FSU does NOT have a better resume than Bama bro! 4 best teams. NOT 4 most deserving.
Wrong, Michigan should have been left out because they cheated to get into the playoffs.
Jake is saying my thoughts 100%. Everyone forgets TCU beat Michigan IN the playoff to play UGA!
What's being ignored amid all this outrage is bama winning the SEC championship game is the ONLY thing that happened to even create the chaos for FSU to have meaningful consideration in the discussion. Think about it, in hindsight, we see the committee was already going to put Texas in over FSU. The other 3 (Mich, GA, Wash) would've been a lock if GA wins. So 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒕 bama winning, FSU is totally out.
"I don't blame the committee" What!? That is such a disappointment to hear. "Eye test"? So Blain just admits (and later Jake says ought right)that this is nothing more than a highly produced beauty contest and seems like that’s okay. Criteria? What about the other criteria, like say, winning? Seems like only Jake is as hot and bothered by this as one ought to be. David and Blain are trying way to hard to try to rationalize the non rational and find the logic in the illogical. I appreciate that they can actually admit that FSU should be in the top four because "it's the right thing to do" but adding on qualifiers is enabling the corruptness in the system that is more obvious now than ever. Y'all just made a movie to make fun of and destroy the narrative of the absurdness of false equivalency. I, for some naïve reason, expected more from you guys. "Alabama v Michigan" is more "compelling"? A better "match-up"? As if by just saying those words, its truth. No, its opinion and it’s the same opinion the committee had that stripped away a whole team's body of work. And I suspect, because what else are y'all going to do, you'll just continue to enable this sort of BS by participating in it. Enablers. The viewership of the playoffs will be good and it will show the committee that they don't have to "do what's right" just what is best for their bottom line. Which really just means the college football season, as it stands, is arbitrary and meaningless.
Agreed. I blame the committee. They are the ones who made the decision. I think it is legitimate corruption. They are getting paid. Why would the top 2 schools that bring in the most revenue jump FSU? someone got paid. I think many people got paid.
This is why we need a 12 team playoff
I cant take anyone from the SEC saying "the best 4 teams" seriously. If you asked them the best 4 teams are all in the SEC.
ESPN had to get SEC in, that meant Bama and Texas had to leap frog over FSU, used Jordan’s injury as an excuse. FSU isn’t good enough to play against those top 4, why rank them front of Georgia? The Committee screwed FSU and that was in the works long before Jordan got hurt.
Exactly.
@@Jiibay7796Because Alabama beat Georgia who was number 1 in the country all season and the fact that the committee put Alabama over Florida State the only right thing to do was to put Florida State over Georgia
Georgia is going to absolutely skull drag FSU and people are going to stop pretending that FSU belonged in the top 4.
In 2014 FSU was the third seed, behind two Power 5 champions each with one loss. Because everyone knew they sucked, but you had to respect the record. So the precedent for this was already there. And when FSU got blitzed by a good team at the end of December, we knew they got it right.
FSU won the national championship in 2013.. are you confused?
@@ryandickey2997 *2014
The committee gave FSU a chance to prove they had real qb depth, and they failed miserably. They struggled into the 4th quarter with a Florida team who also didn’t have their starting qb, had they won that game 35-6 I think they get in.
Also Clemson having a down year really hurt the Noles as well.
Bros it’s a 1 loss SEC champ Bama. They putting em in. It’s fine.
Alabama has the best haters. These guys are just blind Alabama haters
If Georgia beats bama texas gets that 4th place spot I bet my house on it
Let's breakdown the 5 pieces of the criteria:
1. Conf Champions - Draw
2. SOS - Bama
3. Common Opp - FSU
4. H2H - N/A
5. Key injuries - Bama
I believe FSU should've been in, however the criteria the conferences agreed upon favors Bama.
Had Georgia won, there would have been four undefeated conference champions in the playoff. One team loses (Georgia) and loud people seem to think that wins somehow didn’t matter in light of FSU being left out. For those interested in FSU, a confluence of outcomes broke against them. Every bit of the regular season, and championship week mattered.
So what could FSU done differently to keep them in the to 4 post- Travis injury?
Disagree on the Texas take. Texas matches up better w Michigan
Agreed! Every Texas fan would much rather play Michigan.
As a Texas fan I wanted Michigan all day ever day!
Tim Brando is da man!!!!!
Strength of Schedule matters when you look horrible with your "star" quarterback against teams like Boston College and Clemson. The the only reason you are so highly rated is cause you beat a LSU with a bottom 20 defense at the beginning of the Season. Teams need to be punished for having horrible schedules and the committee made an example out of FSU. They do not have a single top 10 end of season win, they also struggled against a defense Kentucky walked all over. The committee avoided another TCU and when Georgia beats FSU by 50 I cant wait to never hear about this again.
I’m serious about this…. if I was the FSU head coach, I would demand change by taking action. I would boycott the orange bowl, take my entire FSU team to the rose bowl , and lead my team in a silent safe protest into the field right at the start of the bama Michigan game, dressed and suited up. Exploit the bad integrity and character of the CFP. Disruption brings about change!
Would an undefeated Clemson team or top indi, Notre Dame, been left in the same scenario?
Yall said the same thing about Georgia yet we went 92 yards down the field methodically and scored.
Can't wait to hear Jake and Tim cry about Bama getting in, lol.
Want to see if you guys can look into this, for the second time i heard "yesterday no name" but like 4 days ago Ohio State alumni Maurice Clarett scouted, recruited Arch Manning about coming to Ohio State, wouldn't that be considered advanced scouting? Like Connor Stalions did, and Coach Harbaugh took the fall for, Steve Deace says it's very vague how the NCAA describes advanced scouting.🤔
Someone paid the committee to put Texas and Alabama in the playoff. It is plain and simple. I don't know why no one is discussing how much the committee got paid. My guess is a million each from both schools.
The fear of an Alabama Natty is always so obvious. If it was Auburn in the spot yall would be arguing the EXACT opposite
Sounds like you’re just coping. Florida State got screwed simple as that
@@mylespoun9709 I don’t need to, but I’m here for you man.
It’s not that you don’t have your quarterback, it’s that you can’t perform without your quarterback
And by "can't perform" you mean what? Win? Cause FSU was down 13-0 before Travis got hurt, but the team won the game. Then the next week, they won another. And the week after that, they won their Conference Championship. And between all three of those game (after the injury), FSU allowed one (quite disputable as a gift from the refs) touchdown.. So, what do you mean "can't perform"? Do you mean they don't look as pretty as another team winning. Okay? So what? Then just admit this is a beauty pageant and the prettiest get a chance to compete.
@@job1.21👏👏👏👏
So if Washington's qb tears his ACL in practice this week they should be disqualified and a competed healthy team move up?
Take away the names of the 2 schools and just put their resumes up there
At the start of the video you wondered why FSU was ahead of Ohio St and Georgia. That would be because FSU was a conference champion, and that matters in the playoff criteria
I personally blame Jordan Travis for purposely breaking his own leg. But it is comforting to know I don’t have to waste my December watching these garbage WWE performance games.
Everybody wants to come to Bama’s defense. FSU got robbed, period.
Texas jumped you not the SEC champion
Pretty bad for FSU. I don't understand how a 2 time defending champ is jumped over by a 1 loss UT team. I understand Alabama since they beat them. But to fall all the way out and have #7 leapfrog them? 1 loss in 3 years and they are not in the playoff? Talk about broken.
2 losses, not 1. Both curtesy of Bama who has a winning record against the Dawgs during those 3 years
If UGA won against Bama, FSU would still be left out. It happens… ask 04 Auburn.
Right they would just put Texas in
TCU is a BIG reason Alabama is in. The committee and the network will not allow another team like TCU.
Love the show, this is the best episode ever, Timmy B is the man, speak the truth, shout out to Booger McFarland for being the only one with Cajones on that stupid clown show
Jake is freaking funny as hell!!!
Michigan in all reality poses no threat to Alabama. Alabama is the far superior team and coach the first round for Bama is a gimme
The AP pulled out after 2004 when Auburn was left out
Why aren't you people crying about undefeated Florida State being left out of the playoffs also crying about undefeated Liberty being left out of the playoffs? SOS matters.
Love the show/podcast, one of the best available. Arguing that Alabama should not get in because of a single criteria point (injury), while at the same time arguing FSU should be in based on a single point (record) is illogical. Alabama has strength of schedule and best win over FSU. But, how boring would sports be without debate? Keep up the good work boys.
Doesn't 0 wins equal best loss?
Absolutely, record and undefeated. Both are conference champions, so that is a wash. Alabama has best win and a significantly higher strength of schedule. So, based on that criteria it’s a toss up; therefore, outlier criteria has to be considered.
Because the Georgia/Alabama/Texas head-to-head match-up results. If LSU or Florida were in this conversation, that criteria would fall in FSU's favor. If FSU came out and embarrassed Louisville, this conversation would be moot. They did not. That game was painful to watch. It sucks, but it was going to suck for several teams no matter the decision. Treating this like some moral failing is just ridiculous.
Blue State Jake with Bama Hate😂😂😂😂
Blain is the only one that talks common sense
If 5 of the Five power conferences goes 13- O in the same season minus four playoffs spots, one will be left out despite doing everything they could possibly do.
Right, but that's not what happened here, is it?
Why was it FSU vs Bama? I thought Texas should not have been in.
Texas beat Bama
@@andrewker3871 agreed. But Bama has more ranked wins, the best win of the season, the better loss. Texas was beating BYU and Houston while Bama was beating Texas A&M and LSU
Wrong, your "UT Hate" is showing everybody Knows Texas Should BE IN!
@@timwilliams8343 it’s not hate its facts. The only reason Texas was even considered was they beat Bama, and that’s something to look at yes. But Bama has the better wins over ranked opponents, and Texas only beat one true opponent.
Everybody Had close games Bud, not just Texas!@@krishunt7671
Dang. Ole Timmy got some professional jealousy going on there.
Blue State Boise Brando😂 You can’t spell Brandon….without Brando 😢😢😢Brandon lost his radio show after losing his mind on air with a Bama fan 😂😂😂😂
Do yall think it maybe wasn't about getting Bama in, rather making sure Washington gets a matchup theyre more likely to lose since the Pac-12 is done after this year?
If bama wins it all im going to tune in and see what these haters have to say then….
“They have a common opponent that they beat worse than you” bro the score is almost exactly the same check it like it was 24-45 and then 28-42 like stop acting like it was a huge difference
OMG. FSU was ranked high, even with qb hurt a couple of weeks ago because they gave them a couple of games to prove they were great without him
FSU did everything they needed to do and were still left out. SEC Bias is unreal. 13- 0 and two teams with one loss still got in. It is crazy and pathetic. How winning a ACC Championship against a top 15 team with a 3rd string quarterback who is a true freshman making his first evert start is not impressive. This is just about the money and the SEC ties it is an abslute joke and travesty. No committee can say one player holds this much value. They still found a way to win!
It’s bigger than disappointment for the players and coaches and football org for FSU. Economic activity for Tally and recruiting impact. Cone’s statement about more compelling matchup with regard to Mich Bama shows he is also a proponent of this snub.
that injury criteria seams made up on the Fly I ain't never heard of that rule or criteria
Don't ever compare Oregon's Defense to Texas that's crazy!!!
Dude Jordan Travis foot was facing the other way in 4K. The issue is the FSU backups are god-awful. If those QBs were competent, FSU would be in.
BTW people are mad it's Alabama who got the 4 seed. If Georgia beat Alabama, FSU would have been in because you couldn't put Alabama in without Texas due to head to head.
Where were you the last 9 years. The committee never has put the 4 best teams in the playoffs. If you say that you’re a liar. Even before Jordan Travis injury ESPN told us the committee will never leave a SEC team. So now we decide best teams by best tv matchups. Nobody thought the Giants would beat the undefeated Patriots. Nobody thought the Ravens defense could win them a Super Bowl. ESPN & the committee decided to put brands conference & tv ratings over the integrity of the game
The SEC Commissioner's favorite show is apparently a puppet program for kids. He does have a point though..."One of these things is not like the other." Yep...one of these "things" has a loss, and the other doesn't.
Yelling to make yourself feel like you are correct. An Auburn homie with short man's complex is an awful combination.
Im a Texas fan, but there is no chance had UGA won, Texas would've jumped FSU, even though the logic wouldve still been the same. I think thats what FSU fans should be most frustrated about. The fact Bama won killed FSU because there was no chance SEC champ was being left out.
Truth is if FSU’s QB had not gotten hurt, Bama would have jumped Texas and the rest of the day would have been spent justifying the committee’s decision.
would oddsmakers and college football know make FSU a favorite against any team in the top five thru top ten right now? If the answer is no, then how could anybody say they are a top four team.
The fsu situation was being played out. Even before Jordan Travis was hurt
Alabama is going to win the national championship as a #4 seed.. Good show nonetheless
2014 Ohio St vs Wisconsin
That's why.
Bama was being evaluated all year about their quarterback
And just beat the back to back #1 team in the country!
Gotta make sure Grandpa saban is happy in his final year.
I feel bad for FSU and there's no rule that says you have to win on offense with their starting quarterback out a really good quarterback did they beat a power 5 in-state rival at their home place the swamp which isn't easy a easy place to play and then win conference Championship by beating a good Louisville team who's probably definitely a top 15 team in the country, but Alabama beats the number one team in the nation looks like they've gotten better as the years going on and they have the best coach ever so Alabama always gets the benefit of the doubt it said if I was a FSU player or fan or involved in the school in any way I'd be upset however I think the committee unfortunately made the correct decision I'm not going to say right I'm going to say correct cuz if FSU would have gotten there I would have had no problem with it
They ruined the integrity of the sport and everyone knows it. Everything wrong with this country its not about who actually earns something its about brands and money.
I can understand the argument that Florida state makes the playoffs but what I don't understand is the hate for BAMA getting in it wasn't left up to Alabama the committee chose Alabama what do y'all think Alabama should have done say no we decline it All goes back to the hate for BAMA yes I'm happy the committee picked BAMA but if they would have chosen Florida state I understand totally and they have a good argument to get in we shouldn't have a committee to pick the teams anyway 🐘
Set a precedent??? We are going to the 12 team playoff so this won't happen again
The crime is Michigan was put in the playoffs. They admitted to cheating to get into the playoffs!
The criteria clearly states "best" not talented, not deserving, not undefeated. Anyone willing to bet their house on Florida St against Michigan, Washington, Texas, or Alabama? I am a FSU fan, but if the criteria is "best," FSU should not in the top 10 with the current team. If criteria is "deserving," then FSU should be in.
What do the best teams do?
@@job1.21The 4 best teams this season Are 1.Michigan 2.Washington 3.Texas 4.Alabama and Georgia has argument
@@jakieresykes3644
Thanks, I guess? I wasn't asking anyone who they think is the best 4 teams this season. I asked what do the best teams do. The answer is obviously they win (or so I thought) And when a team is perceived for a good three quarters of a season as a top 4 team, and they continue to win and at the end don't appear in the top 4 anymore despite never losing a game (unlike three of the five you listed), I then ask then "What do the best teams do?"
College football is a beauty contest and not a real sport.
Let’s watch Georgia vs fsu and then bama in playoffs then we will see the committee was correct imo but time will tell
The poor me is flowing hard on this, yes auburn got beat by New Mexico and bama barely beat them. But we did just go beat Georgia🤷♂️ doesn't seem like the auburn was actually a tell of what bama is as a team
Oh how your logic is flawed Jake. The regular season games do matter. Yes it suck’s for FSU. They did everything in their power. But SOS finally mattered. Sorry it doesn’t match the horrible decisions of the past letting Notre Dame, Mich St, Cinci, etc in. Take emotion out of it, regardless of who was selected someone’s feelings were hurt. But be happy SOS was prioritized over feelings.
Blain the only one making sense
FSU beat LSU worst than Bama because LSU and FSU was game 1!
LSU played Bama week 9 or 8
Teams are total different at that point.
What's being ignored is bama winning the SEC championship game is the ONLY thing that even created the chaos for FSU to have meaningful consideration in the discussion. Think about it, in hindsight, we see now the committee was already putting Texas in over FSU. The other 3 (Mich, GA, Wash) would've been a lock IF GA wins. So 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒕 bama winning FSU is out of the discussion. To me the outrage is at the wrong team, Michigan got caught red handed cheating. THEY should be disqualified and FSU take their spot.
The "Its a business" is such a lazy argument. So if FSU is in, the business is ruined or something? If dig below the surface of that argument there is nothing there
I feel bad for FSU!!! It’s not about anything else other than the name of the school on the jersey not what you do or the games you play!!! :(