Are you a fan of Miles Mathis? He's uncovered tons of information about the connection between famous musicians who come from military intelligence backgrounds.
Love your channel. I was in 8th grade when MTV started and just seeing the interviews with the rockers over the years I wondered how those drug addicts and alcoholics who didn't sound very smart could write their songs, write the music and arrange the instruments??? It didn't make sense to me even as a teenager. Now I know how and why it was done. Keep up the great work.
Not sure he even knows what he is talking about. He says at one point he does not believe the Stones had time to write 3 songs there. Well it's well known Brown Sugar was written in Brazil and I got to move was a cover so its only Wild horses they finished writing.
@Lee I said they wrote and/or recorded 3 songs in two days (3 tops). I focused on Wild Horses because that's the song both Jagger and Keith said was basically written from scratch. Brown Sugar was allegedly written in July 1969 while Mick was filming the movie, Ned Kelly. I did a postscript video here: ua-cam.com/video/yP6MWSfAu5A/v-deo.html
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour So they never wrote 3 songs then, recording is not the same as writing. Wild Horses they had already done a previous demo as well so it's a stretch to say it was completely written from scratch.
@Lee I didn't say writing and recording are the same thing. Writing AND/OR recording means they either wrote OR they recorded (already written songs) at the studio. I didn't hear Keith or Mick say they had a demo of Wild Horses. They said maybe a chorus (Mick) and Keith said it was an "idea". How do you have a demo of a chorus or better yet an "idea". Let's say they had a chorus (benefit of the doubt)… Keith still needed to write the rest of the song (verse, bridge and lyrics). That's pretty much writing from scratch. Then he had to present the song to the rest of the band, then fine tune the song based on band input (unless Keith nailed it - possible but not probable) then they needed to rehearse the song until they had it down, record the song (how many takes? We don't know) and then do the overdubs (the final mix could be done afterwards). Call me skeptical but there is more to the story than what is being presented. That is the point of my video.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour They had the basic tune and chorus but not much else they made a rough demo of. Apparently they did not think it was worth recording properly but reconsiderd it a few months later hence the recording. Jagger fleshed out the verses with some new lyrics.
I get such a bad vibe from the Stones. Don't get me wrong, I find their music incredibly catchy. But even on the brighter tracks there's an impression of darkness. Painted black, if you will.
Yes. The majority of their songs leave me with a feeling of depression, sadness, or darkness. For the life of me, I could never figure out how Wild Horses became such a huge hit and why so many people think it is one of the Stones' greatest works. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. But I can't stand listening to that song for even half a minute. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I saw the Stones in 1979 or 1980 at JFK stadium in Philadelphia. Journey was the opening act and got booed off of the stage. George Throughgood played next and blew us all away. He was fantastic. The Stones came on next and I remember how bad of a live act they were. Keith Richards and Ron Wood were playing poorly. I was a senior in High School and I remember how disappointed I was, I was expecting alot better of a proformance. George Thoughgood stole the show, he was fantastic.
I saw that tour at Anahiem stadium. George Thoroughgood and the Destroyers were fantastic and stole that show as well. I know 5his sound crazy but Loverboy was actually good as well. They did an extended version on their song take me to the top that was great.
I saw the Rolling Stones in Nice, France in 1982. J. Geils was the opening act and they were great. The Stones were horrible. Jagger was slurring his words and I could barely make out which songs they were playing. Keith Richards looked like a cadaver.
I saw the Stones in Austin, Tx in 2006. We splurged on the backstage experience and they put us on platforms above the stage, so we had a great view. Jagger was dancing across the stage for the entire concert and Keith Richards would often look up at us with a huge grin. It was a great show! of course, I did not know then what I know now!
It was very refreshing to see you open the door on a band other than the Beatles. I totally concur with your analysis. It comes down to the Record industry being just that - an industry, a business. It doesn't make sense to let the artists just hang out for months on end, thinking up songs, and writing music for the songs, when the industry always has to produce new content, get it out to the public, and make money. Plus, these so-called artists, just simply may not have the talent to perform on that creative level. They just may have "the look", talk a good game, play reasonably well on a technical level, and be good at doing road tours - performing songs written by others. It's akin to the movie business; the actors look great, can memorize script, speak and emote very well, but are not talented in regard to consistently writing and producing content - the bread and butter of an ongoing, successful business concern.
As a singer/songwriter for 50 years I always bring in top notch musicians and add to that I will put down my piano or guitar first as the song is finished before I record it with all the musicians. I may make some changes of course but the song is basically finished as to how it should go. They need to call the R and R HALL OF FAME the R and R HALL OF DECEIVERS now! Great video again Mike!
@Sage of Quay™ Radio I have found the bathroom to be the best place to get my sh#t together. Mike, I am not a musician, but because I am an information junkie I have probably watched and listened to over 2,000 documentaries and serious talk shows on both radio and TV (I used to be a big fan of Art Bell back in the day). So it is with some experience that I say I think you are one of the best documentarians I have ever encountered. I listened to your 4+ hour Beatles podcast it was absolutely outstanding. I thought your argument was presented in such a logical way that you more than proved your conclusion. Another thing I appreciate about your point by point style is when I do disagree with you, I can reasily eference exactly where it was, eg at 34:13, you said this, whereas I know that. Just like reading a book where it says on page... Please leave Pink Floyd alone! lol
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour I took that down after I wrote it! haha You saw that before then. BTW the STONES MICK and KEITH sure look like 2 devils to me.
@@elijahjames8837,. Interesting that you mention Pink Floyd. I am a huge fan and have been thinking about them a lot lately. They would be an interesting case to study.
Ever since I learned about all the bs I can't listen to any of my favorite all time songs without thinking about the creepy demonic messages. I really miss listening to music!
These days I find people on Instagram, it's an illusion that these "stars" are the best musicians, they were chosen to be presented to society as the best.There are so many amazingly talented musicians out there who aren't signed,some of my favourite only have a few hundred followers ,but what does that matter? Music will come back,we don't need the industry
@@beyondnow1600 Play music yourself. That's what people used to do before TV, radio... what else was there to do? I feel one reason of RnR illusion is to demoralize people, "if a few 18yos can cut a professional sounding record with mind bending content, I am a loser and should just not try." (related to music or de-motivation in general)
I always felt like the Stones were being forced upon me by the Radio, TV, Newspapers and magazines. Never owned a Rolling Stones album and never felt like I needed to. I heard them all the time whether I liked it or not. Nothing with that much promotion could ever be left to chance or up to some swashbuckling stoned rock and roll musicians. These guys can hardly complete a sentence. No way there that good in the studio. Professionals are the only ones that good.... to promote to every inch of the earth on every medium.
What was true back then is just as true today. Anything the mainstream tries to shove down your throat is what they want you to hear, and it's usually crap or some kind of social engineering.
Really? A night or two before Sep 11th, he had this terrible "documentary" on NBC or CBS or ABC where he lifted weights, whined on his cell phone to his father, drank soymilk smoothies and sat in a limo in Manhattan. That went on for two hours while poeple asked him about his "legacy". There was no substance to him. I was glad that he was so stupid he exposed himself with that "interview". How these creeps from the 60s keep living and polluting our lives I will never know. @@fazole
I used to think people like this were simply just genii, and that anything was possible for them. Now I know that for anyone to finish a whole song in the toilet, (all the verses) and play and sing it well enough to teach the rest of the band, and for the lead singer to know it well enough to give his all to it in a final cut (that would need rehearsals over and over again) all in less than a couple of days, well it’s just impossible.
@@bullfighter865Those close to the recording industry say it just doesn’t work like that. I know what you mean, because there are total stars, virtuoso players, especially those with the ability to ad lib and jam creatively with others they knew well. That level of skill wasn’t & isn’t an attribute of the Stones. Certainly not in 1969, when some of their best loved tracks were cut. I’ve watched Mike Williams’ work on The Beatles. I think it was the Rubber Soul recordings, official narrative vs practicalities of writing, rehearsing, arranging, recording and producing so many new songs (the narrative had them arriving with no songs fully written and only two partially written). Mike walks us through what’s involved, and it’s nit close. It’s literally impossible. Then he crowns it by having an industry insider of the day describe what was involved in making physical vinyl records, including the glued on central disc and the fully printed sleeve and artwork. Lead time to manufacture the records in time to get huge numbers in the shops for Christmas was already marginal at best when they officially arrived to begin. But they then burned up a months in studio. From the dates, it doesn’t matter how talented they were (& mike has many clips from the band on this topic) it wasn’t possible. QED something else happened, similar to Mike’s surmises here. The Beatles did not write or even play on their own records 1962-66, vocals only. As I always say in my work on covid and the vaccines,I’m 100% sure.
Keith is definitely not a guitar god in my book. Not saying he sucks, but watching him play live his solos are pretty basic. I recall he told the story of how he wrote the Satisfaction riff. He claims he awoke one night during his sleep & played the main riff with a tape recorder rolling then fell back asleep. In the morning, he played it back & stumbled upon the gold riff he had played sleepwalking apparently, maybe another fantasy tale in the history of rock music...😄
In a minor recreation of Stones/Beatles, they tried this rivalry cliche with Oasis (bad boys / working class) vs Blur (good boys / grammar school) as part of the Britpop movement in the 90s. Was so contrived as to be laughable.
@@RickNBacker I must admit, I could never really understand the appeal of Blur (I'm slightly the wrong generation but still don't know anyone who was a fan or bought the records). The ''critic's favourite'', they seemed to jump from style to style (not necessarliy a bad thing) but it was all a bit Small Faces, Kinks, early Floyd/Bowie hokey quaint English pop and then ''Song 2'' - a thumpring sub-bass stadium crowd pleaser. Then Damon Albarn went to Gorillaz - a major spook band if ever there was one. All very strange and normal for the pop industry.
Yes! They had certain formulas that their songs seemed to follow: one was Beatle-esque, another mid-70s Bowie, maybe late 70s Bowie, then something that sounded contemporary. It sounded like Albarn walked in, was given pre-made songs and recorded the vocals. It would take a whole studio to generate those products. But, I'll admit, I liked their formulas and still listen to them at times. I like Albarn's delivery. Most singers -- not all -- but most singers are at heart actors and mimics and there's nothing wrong with that. Albarn is a performer and does the parts well. Gorillaz lost me though, too manufactured, while Blur had some hint of polished humanity to them. @@acoustically9201
@8:57 what a synchronicity! I just came home from a gig where I played (among other hits, of course) Sweet Home Alabama. As I was playing that, I was pondering: I wonder what's the deal with the Swampers and them picking a song or two...
I will admit I have only listened to the first minute or so of this, but I want to say right away, I am a musician and a longtime Stones fan. I have all of their albums from Beggars Banquet to Bridges to Babylon and I always read the liner notes on their album. They have always been open about session players like Willy Weeks and Ry Cooder and Doug Wimbish playing on their albums. Their credits show who played on each song. If you ever watch the documentary Sympathy For athe Devil, they show Keith playing, what is probably his best solo ever. I am just saying The Stones have always been open about having help on their albums..I love your work. I am not a troll.
You know the stones flew under my radar for stuff like this. I was kinda suspicious but never dug in. You could tell something was up because they’re live performances aren’t great, but they’re was always studio footage of them and they’d admit to playing WITH other people, so you never think they’re not playing but just playing with other people. One thing I’ve noticed lately though is there’s a lot of footage of them in the studio but they’re always just sitting there. It’s always behind the desk. I’m starting to think they did it the same way as the Beatles but just hid it a lot better.
The Shine a Light video presents a decent band but we know that all sorts of processing goes on before release. PS... I had waited about 45 yrs to see the Stones....saw them at Murrayfield Stadium Edinburgh Scotland about 4 or 5 yrs ago. Was returning from the bar when the gig started and the opening chords rang out to Start Me Up. Keef plays the wrong opening chord (the video of this was up on YT for a while). A real stinker. I nearly dropped both pints. For the rest of the gig I would say my mate's pub band who do about 10 Stones songs could have held up just as well, however Mick was on another fitness level - amped up and running about on the runway for 2 hours like a 20 yrs old - and it had been raining and was likely to be wet on that thing too. I assume he was singing but how one does that and sings I'll never know.
You are a warrior my friend. I can only imagine the vitriol that comes your way. However your research is sound. I have spent time cross referencing those areas that I can and your research is more than solid. I was one of the biggest Beatles fans ever and when I came across both the memoirs of Billy shears and your research, it was a blow but my love for the truth was deeper than my love for the Beatles So though it hurt and for a while stung my musical identity, I got over it because I’m a truth seeker first. I think that’s the problem with the majority of people in all walks of life. They have not a live of the truth but a love of the world. Take care mike. You are a true truth warrior
"Oh, and there we were all in one place A generation lost in space With no time left to start again So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick Jack Flash sat on a candlestick 'Cause fire is the deviI's only friend Oh, and as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage No angel born in HeII Could break that S4t4n's spell And as the flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite I saw Sa+an laughing with delight The day the music died" Don McLean equates the Moon landing h04x with the d34th of America and veils it as a Rolling Stones reference.
Very interesting. Where can I find the information about this? I think you are right. I saw a McLean video of a song he did in concert in Israel from the late ‘70’s. I remember him saying something in his song introduction about politics being fake and a show basically. Did you ever see that clip?
great stuff, mike.! over 50 years writing, performing, recording, i play and sing by ear, most songs i wrote, right off the top of my head, lyrics/words, and music. i recently found just some and chronicled my original music from the mid 1970s up to 2020. in 1979,stopped going to see bands play, as i focused on being on a stage, any stage , playing my own music. have never bought a beatle or stones recording, as i was singing in a band by age 9. i do not use drugs , as they are no good to do as you said, anything well. i think organic, i can not hear it on a radio. you have great insight and look forward to you and all to uncover the huge iceberg of fakes, phonies and frauds, in this pied piper scam going on in my whole lifetime. thank you, love from italy, robert ps,,,more please
Close to fifty years of listening to Sweet home Alabama and I never realized that “Swampers” referred to an actual group of men. They do pick me up when I am feeling blue.
I sometimes wonder mike whether these artists actually provide the vocals all of the time. Listen to McCartney's vocals on THE NIGHT BEFORE and compare it to THINGS WE SAID TODAY. You wouldn't think it's the same person, maybe it's not. Thanks mike another great presentation
Thanks, Mike. Your site is one of the most eye-opening, informative and important sites on UA-cam, especially for people of my generation who grew up on this music. I still like listening to it, but now I find myself wondering about other acts like The Who, etc.
So Keith goes to the bathroom to finish the song Wild Horses. Decides a little more heroin will do the trick and promptly passes out due to Jet lag, booze, groupie's, non stop parting and more heroin. A few hours pass he wakes up to the banging on the door stumbles out shuffles past the cue lined up to use the bathroom. As he enters the control room he hears the finished song Wild Horses playing though the monitors. Says "Bloody hell who wrote this?" The Swampers all grin and say in unison "You did!" Keith smiles while puffing on a cig and says "Yeah, I knew I had it in me."
One reason for the discrepancies in Jagger and Richards stories could be due to the drug and alcohol haze both were in during this time period. I would have loved to hear the late Charlie Watts take on this period since he appeared to be the only one in the band who wasn't a complete degenerate. Great vid btw, it has me thinking for sure.
Great presentation as always Mike, I assume when Keith talks about going to the toilet, the smirk gives away he went to do coke , and left the session players to finish the work Sounds similar to when Ringo went for " a pie and a pint" , and the session drummer finished the drumming on the track
Hey Mike , I just saw a clip of Billy he's in front of a Disney screen. His right eye was lazy. And then he looks left. And his right eye did not move. Billy Boy.
Hi Mike thanks for the great presentation. After a bit of research I’ve noticed a few connections between the Stones and the Beatles and the Get back sessions and Sticky fingers . Both were a going back to basics . Both shared the same engineer Glyn Johns. Both shared the same keyboard player Billy Preston. Both shared same Financial advisor Allen Klein( Jan 26 1969 for Lennon) Both had their songs recorded in different studios Also George Harrison recorded a demo of all things must pass (15 songs in one day ??May 27 1970 echoes of Esher demos) called Beware of ABKCO ( Allen Klein’s company ) as members of both groups were becoming suspicious of Klein. Harrison is missing from the official photo of Klein signing Beatles . It’s interesting too that Klein kept the copyrights of two of the songs recorded in Muscle Shoals Brown Sugar and Wild Horses when he and the Stones parted company because the Stones had signed over the copyright to all their songs since 1963 to him .PS wild horses was always my fav Stones song. Made famous by another spook Gram Parsons with the Flying Burrito Bros but that’s a whole different story.
I read many Moons ago that Gram Parsons had a hand in writing "Wild Horses." Hence the "country rock"vibe..Fact is that they used "Nashville" tuning/high strung guitar on that recording...
Yes the stones stole that’s song no dollars for parsons I bet he wrote a lot of songs for then including brown sugar and the stones went to the swappers to record it as their own
I never went to a Stones' concert, but many of my friends did. One friend told me (I forget what year it was he went) the opening act, who was Stevie Winwood of Traffic, gave a tight and good performance, but the Stones were awful. The guitarist Jeff Beck tells a story that when he was asked to join the Stones he would go to the rehersals but none of the Stones would show up. Beck was told (and I paraphase) that was way they did things. Needless to say, Beck didn't join, but Ronnie Wood did.
Hi Mike I have just watched the presentation again and my minds blown away by the way we have been mislead over the years Billy The Rolling Stones, and so many others of whatever the powers that be decide, we are on this ride together but I feel some what let down by the so called artists we have enjoyed over the years and events which we have we have seen that have happened over time great presentation Mike, Keith 🥕🥕🥕🥕 eating scous er
Revised: sorry for commenting before getting to 9:00 in the video ... Now Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers And they've been known to pick a song or two (yes they do) Lord they get me off so much They pick me up when I'm feelin' blue Now how about you? What is Ronnie trying to tell us here?
I worked with someone who had been in music production in Nashville. He said in the case of David Allen Coe, marijuana and alcohol were REQUIRED to get the best performance out of him! Also, I think that LSD did influence a lot of the music of the 60s. In fact, there's a song called "My Friend Jack" about taking it, by the Smoke 😆
So called classic songs require a great deal of pre-production details such as: do you use a stratocaster for the rhythm? or do I use a P90 or a Humbucker guitar? How much gain on your footpedals? should we leave out the flanger or do I double track the vocals when it comes to the chorus? How long is the Outtro going to be? How long is the intro do I need a solo on the song? Should we use a Vox or a Baseman or should we “Di” the acoustics? What Mics? SM 57 or 58? etc etc it takes a long time of drawn out process to answer those questions and many many more little things pop up! There has to be no doubt in the mind of the many that everything is as good as it can be! I’ve heard the same mistakes in a few of the songs I recorded in the 90’s and I still get the shits!! “Why didn’t i change that lyric or I now have a better riff than the one we went with!! Pre-production…can’t do without it! Thanks Mike!!
Sorta, I can believe they don't need that much. If you're a pro guitarist you know how a part would sound with a strat or tele, or hollow body etc. Worst case you take a few minutes to play the part again. Playing blues style there is only so much one can deviate, and most notes/parts are result of jamming, not an Adorno's pen. There was much less equipment choices, I'd imagine as contrived as many rock acts are, certain gear now being revered for being using was probably just because that was one of a couple options available. Energy is very important too, if you're the best, your shit is the best...not much is needed to improve it. Muscles Shoals folks were some of the best musicians, esp for southern sounding blues / country, and the stones were the coolest people in the world...worshiped by hundreds of millions, sort of spell-casting ritual; no doubt plays an interesting role...compared to a truly independent group, good or not, who records some tracks relatively alone. My 2cents. But I do really wonder producing and mastering details...how painstakingly contrived or natural was each aspect
It makes you wonder if Brian Jones was the Rolling Stones musical handler? I know he was trained on piano initially and was very proficient at short notice with various instruments, and he always came up with a good hook, the stones definitely changed when they lost Brian and took on Mick Taylor, which amounted to blues virtuosity, which did favour them? I really liked the albums that he worked with them on. But I really liked the singles that Brian played on as he seemed to sprinkle his fairy dust over the production and added a lot of interesting arrangements. That was way ahead of what Mick and Keith could’ve come up with as they seemed to be locked into Chuck Berry territory.
@@brohemian as Bon Scott once said “it’s harder than you think!! And the RS’s didn’t want to copy a brilliant “Swappers crew” so there had to be a quality cut off… and then there’s Mick Taylor (virtuoso) to beef them up live, for example the fabled Belgium concert is exceptional to put it mildly, granted what you mentioned but my old band would spend 2 weeks in pre-production to smash down as much of the songs as possible mainly due to cost of studio and arrangements that take up a great deal of time. 3 days go quickly and Wild Horses is a wonderful tune that moves in stages of complexity and feel… I’m rambling…
I noticed the Keystones over the entrance and windows of the studio. A keystone means it's considered an arch, which occultists believe to be a gateway to other dimensions
Hi Mike, another masterpiece leaving no stone unturned as usual thanks for this amazing presentation have a good weekend Keith 🥕🥕🥕eating Scous er 22:26
You have to wonder how Eddie ended up in Seattle. Eddie's background is completely bizarre. Seattle was another manufactured scene, just like Laurel Canyon. I wish Mike would have a look at the grunge scene for his next project. Who were these people, really? Eddie bears a strong resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald.
@@tobi3799 I lived in Seattle for a few years in my 40s. It's such a corporate, dreary hellhole. I didn't meet anyone there with any creativity. It's hard for me to imagine a 'scene' like grunge just popping up organically in a city like Seattle. I could be wrong, but it doesn't really pass the smell test for me.
@@brianstupar7433 Yeah, and there was the same sort of media deification of the bands that came out of there, like with the British bands. Dave Grohl is from Virginia and his dad was involved in politics and journalism. So, how'd he end up in a band in Seattle?
That's crazy to think that they didn't actually write these songs. I really like playing blackbird on the guitar and always liked imagining Paul McCartney having written it and what he was thinking and feeling at the time. Same with so many of my favorite white album tracks. I really like playing while my guitar gently weeps figure plucking style with the vocal melody and rhythm at the same time it sounds good that way even though you can't really do the leeds too. In fact I think I must've heard a george Harrison version of him playing acoustic like that. Hmmm... I held onto the rock n roll fantasy for a long time of getting high and playing guitar for 10 hours at a time with help of medication or whatever. It kept me from really doing anything good in my life for a long time. The drug message to music in my opinion is pretty toxic for an impressionable young person. Maybe that's part of the point, a conclusion that these Tavistock type think tanks come up with to further their agendas. I can totally see how they use these groups to push what they want. One of my favorite bands the pixies has a song called U-mass about university of Massachusetts, I believe they are a product of this educational institution. .. in that song he screams," its educational " for the chorus. Yeah man I bet a lot more thinking and time and studio musician contributions go into these projects than we are aware. But we think about this and we are aware!
I disagree with the Beatles and do not think anyone who's seen him (plus on some ol' live clips, see "Long Tall Sally") thinks Ringo isn't playing drums, but the Stones i think have had varying amounts of help. I think this stopped - in the recording sense, and if we're really to still assume it's the same Keith Richards - once Ronnie Wood joined the band. Woody has a high-sloped forehead, is(?) totally alcoholic, and is unlikely to be able to hold too many secrets in that reptile brain. Before that, at least starting with when they began recording in America, I think there have been varying levels of help. Mick has no problem writing lyrics, it'd seem maybe with some help from Andrew at first. Brian's harmonica and slide parts are all his, as at least is most of Keith's acoustic work. Mick Taylor probably got several solos onto record. But there are many things about the Stones' story that stink, and I've read many of de hagiographical books such as "Life"
Read Purdie's book and you'll get your answer on Hang On Sloopy. Bernard Purdie - Legendary Drummer Discusses Fixing (Drumming On) 21 Beatle Tracks: ua-cam.com/video/CLqkk1443Dc/v-deo.html
Thank You for this. I remember watching the documentary & it made no sense. They just seemed to be talking about writing & recording. Logically it just did not make any sense the Rolling Stones were writing & recorded their albums this way. They present as being a mess & out of their minds on drink & drugs ☂️ Nothing is real
Preston had a busy year in 1969. Most of my best thinking is on the toilet...lol. Never been a big Stones fan although it is weird that the first LP I owned as a pre teen was the octagon LP and played the thing to death. Ruby Tuesday, Mother's Little Helper, Paint It Black (mandela'ed)...the list goes on. Quite the album. I suppose the album was a gift for Christmas or my birthday. I wanted the Beatles...ended up with the Stones.
I just wander how , muscle scholes managed to compose all these great songs, they must of have a wide range of musicians, and songwriters, it’s quite mind boggling really, thank you Mike .
Thank you for tackling the Stones. Unline the Beatles with many suspect aspects, the Stones are much tighter but too perfect story; despite being of the same coin. There is also the lore aspect of Gram Parsons writing/contributing to Wild Horses. Despite great instrumentals, someone has to write the songs, at least the lyrics. Finding clues (sorta like how Richards wonders how others tracks would have sounded recorded @ Shoals) about such origins would be curious. Like you said, without the veneer, it is much easier to understand what the related actors are saying and where they are coming from... Tavistock is now publicly very much about trainsgender studies including how chemicals/psychology(trauma) affect the body in related ways etc. Imo some/all members of both those bands are gender inverted. Tavistock association all the sweeter. Searching this now, looks like there was a media backlash a few months ago. Tavistock's 'studies' went beyond just one clinic giving druqs to 'kids'.
Hi Mike, Thanks for this presentation. There is no way that they could have just shown up at the studio with nothing (just like in "Get Back" and the "Rubber Soul" - and most other sessions for the Beatles) and in 3 days write, rehearse and record 2 of the best songs they ever came up with: Wild Horses and Brown Sugar - ( You've Got To Move - not so much...) Another fairy tail for public consumption and myth-making. No band does this. You only go into the studio to record songs that are written, fine-tuned, rehearsed and ready to go. Studio time is expensive and you have to wait in line to reserve your time. I have often wondered how these guys could have come up with all their hits over the years - especially from 1962 - 1975. There is no way that they wrote all or even the majority of them. But then again, they were in the same "club_ as the Beatles - IE - Tavastock/EMI. Once we see how the process worked for the Beatles, it's easy to see the parallel with the Stones. That being said, I have thought that there was actual musical talent in the band. Charlie Watts was a skilled jazz drummer and performed very well live. Mick Taylor (although never an actual "Member" of the Stones - only a hired hand) was a session musician. He was a member of John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers and was the real deal. Both he and Charlie are probably on the recordings from 1969 - 1974. As for Keith Richards and Bill Wyman - I doubt that they are on anything. I have heard bootleg live performance from the early 70's and Keith was terrible as a live performer as compared with Mick Taylor. Just like the Beatles, social engineering was at play - the drug use/bad boy image sold lots of records and influenced millions. Another great presentation - as expected. Thanks Mike!
I always wondered why so many bands release a few amazing albums, then follow with mediocre ones. It's like a requirement in the industry. Also a singer makes a comeback album and then dies. Very suspicious. I am familiar with all the conspiracies about the industry and entertainment in general. I still listen to these bands, but it is not the same when you know the truth.
This doc is SO informative! They relly do tell you the truth, if you just pay attention and don't bring in what you've been tol dyour whole life about these bands. What I see from this footage is a group of guys who really love their clothing and hair cuts. They smoke, drink and do other things. They do not write or play any instrument in any cottage. The singer does not ever sing. They listen, they react. They do not create anything. They consume and accept. Then, in interviews in weird mansions with very little furniture, they wear a lot of makeup while again wearing very expensive clothing and either hair pieces or dyed hair or something, and say that they played and wrote. I've never seen footage of Jagger or Richards practicing their "crafts", only them mugging and strutting onstage. I was too young and inexperienced to know that Jagger basically does black face on stage. As I got older, and saw more photos and rare footage of black blues performers, I saw that Jagger was just parodying them, and not well at all! It wasn't a case of admiring a performance style and trying to emulate it, he straight up stole and even, in my opinion, makes fun of American black performers with his stage work. Now that I've seen it, I literally cannot watch Jagger on stage. It's insulting. The music industry is an insult.
Hi Mike...when you mentioned that the songs where "almost" in a finishing state....I Thought what you had said that The Stones were there at Muscle Shoals for "Overdubbing"...I'll borrow a line from that other band and say..."Nothing Is Real". Thanks for the presentation.
If any group of session players could arrange, engineer, write, and produce in three days, The Swampers could, and dont believe they would fabricate a story.
The Stones recorded 3 songs at muscle shoals. One was a cover version You got to move which is not much different to Fred McDowell's version. Jagger had Brown sugar worked out since the movie Ned Kelly months earlier. You can see him playing it to Tina Turner backstage at MSG a month before the shoals sessions on you tube. All these songs were took back to London and worked on for the following year. Versions of Wild horses exist on bootleg with pedal steel, orchestra and lead guitar. All that survived from this session on sticky fingers are the bare bones of the songs which capture the feel and atmosphere that Keith talks about. Brown sugar is best known for Bobby Keys sax solo not recorded in muscle shoals. Bobby has been championed by Keith till the day he died for his contribution.
In the show with Billy Watson I get into more of the specifics (e.g., Jagger "writing" Brown Sugar while filming Ned Kelly, etc.): ua-cam.com/video/id3jYHXCV6A/v-deo.html
Hello Mike , Great video, but I have a question. I am only half way through, but I haven't heard the " Let It Bleed " album mentioned. That was released in late 1969 , and featured Mick Taylr on a few cuts. I think it was one of their best albums , and personally I liked it better than " Sticky Fingers ". I watch all of your videos, and agree with you regarding the Beatles music and the McCartney switch. , Dean ( in Syracuse )
Once you have eyes to see it, its everywhere. One of my things is to go back and watch classic mainstream stuff, an notice how clunky and unrefinds theyre methods used to be. Makes one wonder how they got away with so much horrible stuff, and nobody "got it".
You're so right: once you see it in one place, you can begin the journey of seeing it everywhere. For example, a lot of Mike's viewers on this channel like to spot fakery in the music business and begin to build their discernment. Once you can see it, then you see the fakery and deceit in professional sports. And in TV news. We're pretty much trapped in a matrix of deceit.
I saw the documentary about muscle shoals and the swampers A great movie Referencing the stones segment the words Wild Horses and Brown Sugar are slang dialects for Heroin Horse and Brown Sugar are slang for heroin When Keith was in the bathroom he was probably shooting up heroin Having friends who did this would disappear into the bathroom for hour shooting up The other question among many is who controlled the master tapes, what were the tape sizes used for the master tapes, 1/4” 1/2” 2” and did the studios have the same tape machines to play the master tapes?
Proven by how crappy the Stones are live. I saw them live in Dallas and Fort Worth 78/80 and was miffed at how they played...and the live album "Love you live"
The Kinks are another British group that I would investigate. They recorded iconic songs like "You Really Got Me" and "Lola" in the sixties and then their output went way down in the seventies?
@Sage of Quay™ Radio thanks 🙏 I know you're American, but I'm English and I've always wondered why Mick Jagger, who's a cockney, has always chosen to sing with a strong American accent.... very strange!
I think your pretty much spot on Mike. Especially when the.....I already had the song in my head & the toilet story, was hilarious!!! Almost giving to them on a plate , like many others too
The whole story is ridiculous. I'm a musician, writing a solid tune takes a lot of time. There's no freaking way wild horses was written on the spot. Absolute horsesh@t. So they show up and in 3 days manage to create hits like that? hilarious. You see where this is going, they're telling you that drugs make you creative.
Or, maybe the horse shit is you're just jealous that you can't write a song that great in 3 days or probably 3 years I'd imagine. And for those of you that say the Stones can't play live, why don't you start watching the 1969 Madison Square Garden tour hits on UA-cam and study the 1970 album "Get Yer YaYas Out" and report back on their 'sub par' playing skills, please. And then remember, it was during this period of amazing playing they went into that studio to record. So if you think they cannot write an additional verse, repeat it three times, throw a change with a relatively simple solo over it, and an intro which is basically the change, and track it while they are that tight a unit in 3 full days at an amazing studio, with the likes of Charlie Watts and the INCREDIBLE Mick Taylor in the band as well as the others, not to mention the pros to record it and add parts as sidemen who have played for years in the studio, please open up your eyes and consider this opinion. I am not against the whole Tavistock theories at all, but you are cutting down the Stones in '69, when the proof of their abilities are all over this platform to see and hear. I have owned recording facilities for years, so I have seen or been part of quite a few 3 day miracles, and I am grateful for that more than I can ever say. And I have also been part of 3 day disasters, similar to what is being implied here. And to finally wrap this up, those guys are in their 80's now, so they physically will never be able to perform like they did in their early to mid 20's, yet they still are out there performing, and I haven't heard that Jagger was put out to pasture in '66 and replaced with Faul....or Fick for that matter, so how about a little love for this band, maybe? Anyway, no disrespect intended, and keep on truckin', I do like what you research and report on, and I do believe it is quite important work!!!
@stephenfeldman8957 The Stones and the entire British Invasion were a creation of Tavistock. As well as every other pop genre of music that followed. If you owned recording studios as you state then you should know the songwriting, rehearsal, and recording process and how Keith's (and Mick's) storytelling of how Wild Horses was written is exactly that... storytelling. Do you honestly believe Keith wrote the song in the crapper at the studio? Then presented the song to his bandmates, worked on it some more, rehearsed it, and then recorded it, and then moved on to record Brown Sugar and You Gotta Move - all within 2-3 days (likely 2 days). And then we have the possibility that the song was actually written by Gram Parsons. In the liner notes to the 1993 Rolling Stones compilation album Jump Back, Jagger states, "I remember we sat around originally doing this with Gram Parsons, and I think his version came out slightly before ours..." If you ask me, Muscle Shoals was an overdub session at best. The basic tracks were already recorded coming in.
ps....just watching RickBeato interviewing Tim Pierce about his session work. The first 10mins itself is very revealing and pertinent. Video titled - ''Do It NOW Or You’re FIRED''
Mick Jagger stole his entire voice from Don Covay and the Goodtimers and even covered his song Mercy Mercy. Obviously being British his voice is contrived.
I also saw s video that gram parsons wrote wild horses had three different version written in his poetry book music and lyrics so I believe stones stole the song and did not credit him and of course he died a mysterious death video is on UA-cam
Another hint two years with no records back in the day bands put out one to two records a year they were desperate and signed a new deal so they could take a little more royalties?
Always been skeptical about the Stones, (especially some of those more complex early tracks.) As good a musician as they say Brian Jones was, lots of it just doesn’t add up. Regardless, Keith Richards (who is somewhat of a hero to me) is and has been an embarrassingly bad guitar player for a long, long time…
I bought the Sympathy For The Devil (the making of) DVD a few years ago, all you really see is a lot of vocal run-throughs and lots of Keef noodling and lighting cigarettes in the back but very little - if any - 'actual' laying tracks down, each scene cut the tune was obviously more and more augmented but little evidence those in attendance had any input, you'd think a film set around developing a song would be the takes as they go down/the post-take congratulations etc. but aside from throwing each other matches there's little togetherness going on, just a bunch of disparate blokes in a room, Wyman and Jones look on like they're in their own world, it left a shady feeling about them
Great vid Mike Does Mick Jagger have a ring on his pinky finger at 17:02? gay men used to wear these as a sign of their sexual identity .....I read that MK Ultra liked using homosexual men as they are easier to manipulate.
Yep ... can't say I haven't enjoyed their music and been a bit of a fan in the past but since I've learned about all this stuff, the more I have to agree. You have to listen to what they are actually saying and how the music leaves you feeling. Never quite understood why people romanticise Richards so much and basically celebrate the fact he's lived abs survived a completely hedonistic drug fuelled life style. Jagger definetly got a sinister vibe about him. Just have to look at his recent release with David Grohl Reckon they know full well what went on with Brian Jones ... poor guy.
Musicians and Authorship aside, Brown Sugar is one of the best rock and roll songs EVER! Whenever I hear it, it's just as good as the first time I heard it.
Mike! Even Babe Ruth didn’t bat 1,000. I appreciate you opening our eyes to a lot of Paul and maybe others. The problem I have is that Everything you say is twisted to suit the conspiracy narrative. Especially the flipping of numbers to make a 6 ect. Slow it down a little.
What do I constantly hammer home? Learn the signs and symbols. If you don't then you will be lost. 6s and 9s, in occult numerology, are *always* candidates to be flipped (see Jimi Hendrix's song If 6 Was 9). The controllers are occultists and they paint by the numbers.
So aside from conjecture and supposition where is your actual supporting evidence that the Stones where a manufactured band and didn't play on the Muscle Shoals tracks? Having listened to their individual styles for over 60 years there is no doubt that the Stones are playing on the Muscle Shoals tracks. Also, you are dead wrong about the sound at Muscle Shoals being determined by the musicians rather than the studio itself. In those days every studio did indeed have its own sound. This was determined by the mixing board, the microphones used, the studio acoustics, how the room was baffled, which amps were used, how the resident engineers mic'd the instruments, and even the dimensions of the room. All of this has a direct effect on the sound, and is the reason the Stones were keen to record there. When Keith refers to subsequent session as not having the same feel he is absolutely referring to the physical space at Muscle Shoals. And by the way, I could take your birthday or any sequence of numbers and turn it into "666", or any other number you want.
You're going to have to do the research to understand Tavistock and its role in social engineering. As well as researching Stanford Research Institute (SRI). The institutes report to the Committee of 300. Recommended books: Tavistock Institute: Social Engineering the Masses (Estulin), The Committee of 300 (Coleman), and The Memoirs of Billy Shears (Uharriet). It's *not* information that is going to be in mainstream sources. You can never say there is "no doubt" because you were not there. You were not an eyewitness to what took place at the studio. Who you believe is actually on the recordings is shaped by the official narrative. I recommend watching the Wrecking Crew documentary (as well as Muscle Shoals and Hired Gun) to understand how the music business worked in the 1960s, 70s, and from the 80s on (Hired Gun). Yes, studio, equipment, mic placement, setup, and a great sound engineer can have an impact on the sound. I agree. But Richards and Jagger talked about the funky sound. The funk comes from the musician. The setup will capture that funky sound but the funk itself (i.e., the attitude/groove) comes from the musician. So, your argument appears to downplay/discount the musicianship and places the "feel", "vibe" and "sound" squarely on the studio setup and environment. You should also research the importance of numerology within occult practices (Their Satanic Majesties Request comes to mind). Both the Beatles and Stones as Tavistock social engineering initiatives were steeped in the occult.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour I have my own ears and know the sound of each of the Stones, including Mick Taylor, and their uniqueness as well as I know my own. Saying I don't know because I wasn't there is a weak defense, but regardless it would apply to you as well, right? You weren't there so how do you know that studio players laid down the basic tracts? Again, where's your evidence? My comments on the studio set up was in reference to your comment that Keith knew they would never sound the same again because the mix of musicians would not be replicated. I pointed out the obvious difference that each studio makes and to set you straight on what Keith was actually referring to in his comments you quoted. What I have "discounted" is your ludicrous conclusion that the Rolling Stones are a manufactured band. What's even more ridiculous is that none of your other commenters gave you push-back on that. There would have to be an expectation that the extraordinary things you say here would garnish rebuttal. I have to say, it makes for somewhat entertaining fiction, though.
If you're interested in going beyond fictional official narratives then you need to do the research. If you do then things will start to fall into place and make sense. On the other hand, if you're content believing what you believe then by all means carry on.
Jagger, and also Richards are known to embellish, to play fast and loose with the facts. Both of them are genius wordsmiths. So why not all Mick Taylor? Bill Wyman? Instead of conjuring a ridiculous theory that The Stones did not walk on the moon.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour Ask Mick Taylor what went on in the studio, there. Ask Bill Wyman. The recording engineer gave a nice interview, detailing quite a bit. I opened with that both Jagger or Richards can never be taken at their word for anything. Trust, but verify.
Isn't it funny how a lot of rock bands have fathers in the military?
Zappa for one
@@grocerbear9700 and Jim Morrison
@@amarshmuseconcepta6197 yeah exactly
Any stones?
Are you a fan of Miles Mathis? He's uncovered tons of information about the connection between famous musicians who come from military intelligence backgrounds.
Love your channel.
I was in 8th grade when MTV started and just seeing the interviews with the rockers over the years I wondered how those drug addicts and alcoholics who didn't sound very smart could write their songs, write the music and arrange the instruments??? It didn't make sense to me even as a teenager. Now I know how and why it was done.
Keep up the great work.
I'm glad you turned your eye towards the Stones, there's so many red flags. You've been busy mike and very much appreciated. Thankyou.
Not sure he even knows what he is talking about. He says at one point he does not believe the Stones had time to write 3 songs there. Well it's well known Brown Sugar was written in Brazil and I got to move was a cover so its only Wild horses they finished writing.
@Lee I said they wrote and/or recorded 3 songs in two days (3 tops). I focused on Wild Horses because that's the song both Jagger and Keith said was basically written from scratch. Brown Sugar was allegedly written in July 1969 while Mick was filming the movie, Ned Kelly. I did a postscript video here: ua-cam.com/video/yP6MWSfAu5A/v-deo.html
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour So they never wrote 3 songs then, recording is not the same as writing. Wild Horses they had already done a previous demo as well so it's a stretch to say it was completely written from scratch.
@Lee I didn't say writing and recording are the same thing. Writing AND/OR recording means they either wrote OR they recorded (already written songs) at the studio. I didn't hear Keith or Mick say they had a demo of Wild Horses. They said maybe a chorus (Mick) and Keith said it was an "idea". How do you have a demo of a chorus or better yet an "idea". Let's say they had a chorus (benefit of the doubt)… Keith still needed to write the rest of the song (verse, bridge and lyrics). That's pretty much writing from scratch. Then he had to present the song to the rest of the band, then fine tune the song based on band input (unless Keith nailed it - possible but not probable) then they needed to rehearse the song until they had it down, record the song (how many takes? We don't know) and then do the overdubs (the final mix could be done afterwards). Call me skeptical but there is more to the story than what is being presented. That is the point of my video.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour They had the basic tune and chorus but not much else they made a rough demo of. Apparently they did not think it was worth recording properly but reconsiderd it a few months later hence the recording. Jagger fleshed out the verses with some new lyrics.
I get such a bad vibe from the Stones. Don't get me wrong, I find their music incredibly catchy. But even on the brighter tracks there's an impression of darkness. Painted black, if you will.
I have the same feeling, and also get the same vibe from Led Zeppelin
Satanist can have that affect
Agree with both of you about the Stones and Zeppelin
That's supposed to be about Paul McCartney dying in 66
Yes. The majority of their songs leave me with a feeling of depression, sadness, or darkness. For the life of me, I could never figure out how Wild Horses became such a huge hit and why so many people think it is one of the Stones' greatest works. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. But I can't stand listening to that song for even half a minute. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I saw the Stones in 1979 or 1980 at JFK stadium in Philadelphia. Journey was the opening act and got booed off of the stage. George Throughgood played next and blew us all away. He was fantastic. The Stones came on next and I remember how bad of a live act they were. Keith Richards and Ron Wood were playing poorly. I was a senior in High School and I remember how disappointed I was, I was expecting alot better of a proformance. George Thoughgood stole the show, he was fantastic.
When I saw them it was Iggy Pop who got booed off the stage and Santana stealing the show.
I saw that tour at Anahiem stadium. George Thoroughgood and the Destroyers were fantastic and stole that show as well. I know 5his sound crazy but Loverboy was actually good as well. They did an extended version on their song take me to the top that was great.
@@johndonny443What was Stone live performance like?
I saw the Rolling Stones in Nice, France in 1982. J. Geils was the opening act and they were great. The Stones were horrible. Jagger was slurring his words and I could barely make out which songs they were playing. Keith Richards looked like a cadaver.
I saw the Stones in Austin, Tx in 2006. We splurged on the backstage experience and they put us on platforms above the stage, so we had a great view. Jagger was dancing across the stage for the entire concert and Keith Richards would often look up at us with a huge grin. It was a great show! of course, I did not know then what I know now!
What was the backstage experience?
It was very refreshing to see you open the door on a band other than the Beatles. I totally concur with your analysis. It comes down to the Record industry being just that - an industry, a business. It doesn't make sense to let the artists just hang out for months on end, thinking up songs, and writing music for the songs, when the industry always has to produce new content, get it out to the public, and make money. Plus, these so-called artists, just simply may not have the talent to perform on that creative level. They just may have "the look", talk a good game, play reasonably well on a technical level, and be good at doing road tours - performing songs written by others. It's akin to the movie business; the actors look great, can memorize script, speak and emote very well, but are not talented in regard to consistently writing and producing content - the bread and butter of an ongoing, successful business concern.
As a singer/songwriter for 50 years I always bring in top notch musicians and add to that I will put down my piano or guitar first as the song is finished before I record it with all the musicians. I may make some changes of course but the song is basically finished as to how it should go. They need to call the R and R HALL OF FAME the R and R HALL OF DECEIVERS now! Great video again Mike!
John, writing on the crapper is inspirational! 😂
The Rock and roll Hall of Fame is run by a bunch of nobodies that don't know s*** about real classic rock
@Sage of Quay™ Radio I have found the bathroom to be the best place to get my sh#t together.
Mike, I am not a musician, but because I am an information junkie I have probably watched and listened to over 2,000 documentaries and serious talk shows on both radio and TV (I used to be a big fan of Art Bell back in the day). So it is with some experience that I say I think you are one of the best documentarians I have ever encountered. I listened to your 4+ hour Beatles podcast it was absolutely outstanding. I thought your argument was presented in such a logical way that you more than proved your conclusion. Another thing I appreciate about your point by point style is when I do disagree with you, I can reasily eference exactly where it was, eg at 34:13, you said this, whereas I know that. Just like reading a book where it says on page...
Please leave Pink Floyd alone! lol
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour I took that down after I wrote it! haha You saw that before then. BTW the STONES MICK and KEITH sure look like 2 devils to me.
@@elijahjames8837,. Interesting that you mention Pink Floyd. I am a huge fan and have been thinking about them a lot lately. They would be an interesting case to study.
Ever since I learned about all the bs I can't listen to any of my favorite all time songs without thinking about the creepy demonic messages. I really miss listening to music!
Ditto, man.
Satanic Frauds 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈
These days I find people on Instagram, it's an illusion that these "stars" are the best musicians, they were chosen to be presented to society as the best.There are so many amazingly talented musicians out there who aren't signed,some of my favourite only have a few hundred followers ,but what does that matter? Music will come back,we don't need the industry
@@josephosullivan9506 we need the music not the industry
@@beyondnow1600 Play music yourself. That's what people used to do before TV, radio... what else was there to do?
I feel one reason of RnR illusion is to demoralize people, "if a few 18yos can cut a professional sounding record with mind bending content, I am a loser and should just not try." (related to music or de-motivation in general)
I always felt like the Stones were being forced upon me by the Radio, TV, Newspapers and magazines. Never owned a Rolling Stones album and never felt like I needed to. I heard them all the time whether I liked it or not. Nothing with that much promotion could ever be left to chance or up to some swashbuckling stoned rock and roll musicians. These guys can hardly complete a sentence. No way there that good in the studio. Professionals are the only ones that good.... to promote to every inch of the earth on every medium.
Actually, Mick Jagger is usually pretty coherent when he's not too high.
Actually, Mick Jagger is usually pretty coherent when he's not too high.
Truth, whenever they tour the media acts like the Queen, the President and some Biblical prophets were coming to town.
What was true back then is just as true today. Anything the mainstream tries to shove down your throat is what they want you to hear, and it's usually crap or some kind of social engineering.
Really? A night or two before Sep 11th, he had this terrible "documentary" on NBC or CBS or ABC where he lifted weights, whined on his cell phone to his father, drank soymilk smoothies and sat in a limo in Manhattan. That went on for two hours while poeple asked him about his "legacy". There was no substance to him. I was glad that he was so stupid he exposed himself with that "interview". How these creeps from the 60s keep living and polluting our lives I will never know. @@fazole
When Keith says he went to the bathroom to sort things out, I would interpret that as meaning he went to get high not finish writing wild horses
I used to think people like this were simply just genii, and that anything was possible for them. Now I know that for anyone to finish a whole song in the toilet, (all the verses) and play and sing it well enough to teach the rest of the band, and for the lead singer to know it well enough to give his all to it in a final cut (that would need rehearsals over and over again) all in less than a couple of days, well it’s just impossible.
I hope he wash his hands lol
I think they present these impossible scenarios on purpose as if to day “I dare ya to call bullshit”
Not impossible for talented musicians. History is chalk full of such accomplishments dating back well before recorded music was even possible.
@@bullfighter865Those close to the recording industry say it just doesn’t work like that.
I know what you mean, because there are total stars, virtuoso players, especially those with the ability to ad lib and jam creatively with others they knew well.
That level of skill wasn’t & isn’t an attribute of the Stones.
Certainly not in 1969, when some of their best loved tracks were cut.
I’ve watched Mike Williams’ work on The Beatles. I think it was the Rubber Soul recordings, official narrative vs practicalities of writing, rehearsing, arranging, recording and producing so many new songs (the narrative had them arriving with no songs fully written and only two partially written). Mike walks us through what’s involved, and it’s nit close. It’s literally impossible.
Then he crowns it by having an industry insider of the day describe what was involved in making physical vinyl records, including the glued on central disc and the fully printed sleeve and artwork.
Lead time to manufacture the records in time to get huge numbers in the shops for Christmas was already marginal at best when they officially arrived to begin.
But they then burned up a months in studio.
From the dates, it doesn’t matter how talented they were (& mike has many clips from the band on this topic) it wasn’t possible.
QED something else happened, similar to Mike’s surmises here. The Beatles did not write or even play on their own records 1962-66, vocals only.
As I always say in my work on covid and the vaccines,I’m 100% sure.
Right, but here we're talking about Keith Richards and Mick Jagger, so ... @@bullfighter865
Rolling Stones lost all value when Brian died... He was a true musician... Carry on!
Love him on the zitarr whatever that instrument is on paint it black you could tell he loved music
@@nancyrudisill5404 Brian was so very talented .❤️
LOL. Another one bites the dust. Thanks Mike
Yes Red Pilled for sure!!!
Keith is definitely not a guitar god in my book. Not saying he sucks, but watching him play live his solos are pretty basic. I recall he told the story of how he wrote the Satisfaction riff. He claims he awoke one night during his sleep & played the main riff with a tape recorder rolling then fell back asleep. In the morning, he played it back & stumbled upon the gold riff he had played sleepwalking apparently, maybe another fantasy tale in the history of rock music...😄
They always give us some stupid backstory of how something was created. It's a kind of mockery.
In a minor recreation of Stones/Beatles, they tried this rivalry cliche with Oasis (bad boys / working class) vs Blur (good boys / grammar school) as part of the Britpop movement in the 90s. Was so contrived as to be laughable.
When I heard the Blur album, "The Great Escape", I thought, "this is The Small Faces all over again, 30 years later"....
@@RickNBacker I must admit, I could never really understand the appeal of Blur (I'm slightly the wrong generation but still don't know anyone who was a fan or bought the records). The ''critic's favourite'', they seemed to jump from style to style (not necessarliy a bad thing) but it was all a bit Small Faces, Kinks, early Floyd/Bowie hokey quaint English pop and then ''Song 2'' - a thumpring sub-bass stadium crowd pleaser. Then Damon Albarn went to Gorillaz - a major spook band if ever there was one. All very strange and normal for the pop industry.
Yes! They had certain formulas that their songs seemed to follow: one was Beatle-esque, another mid-70s Bowie, maybe late 70s Bowie, then something that sounded contemporary. It sounded like Albarn walked in, was given pre-made songs and recorded the vocals. It would take a whole studio to generate those products. But, I'll admit, I liked their formulas and still listen to them at times. I like Albarn's delivery. Most singers -- not all -- but most singers are at heart actors and mimics and there's nothing wrong with that. Albarn is a performer and does the parts well. Gorillaz lost me though, too manufactured, while Blur had some hint of polished humanity to them. @@acoustically9201
Also, the 90's east coast (Biggie) / west coast (Tupac) rivalry in the hip-hop genre - probably contrived as well?
PS Mike thanks for the presentation 👍. Been working my way through this ever since Dave McGowan and your work.
@8:57 what a synchronicity! I just came home from a gig where I played (among other hits, of course) Sweet Home Alabama. As I was playing that, I was pondering: I wonder what's the deal with the Swampers and them picking a song or two...
I will admit I have only listened to the first minute or so of this, but I want to say right away, I am a musician and a longtime Stones fan. I have all of their albums from Beggars Banquet to Bridges to Babylon and I always read the liner notes on their album. They have always been open about session players like Willy Weeks and Ry Cooder and Doug Wimbish playing on their albums. Their credits show who played on each song. If you ever watch the documentary Sympathy For athe Devil, they show Keith playing, what is probably his best solo ever. I am just saying The Stones have always been open about having help on their albums..I love your work. I am not a troll.
Watch the entire video. I said exactly what you pointed out.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour okay. I will watch it. Thank you. Again, I am a big fan of your work and you are an excellent presenter!
You know the stones flew under my radar for stuff like this. I was kinda suspicious but never dug in. You could tell something was up because they’re live performances aren’t great, but they’re was always studio footage of them and they’d admit to playing WITH other people, so you never think they’re not playing but just playing with other people. One thing I’ve noticed lately though is there’s a lot of footage of them in the studio but they’re always just sitting there. It’s always behind the desk. I’m starting to think they did it the same way as the Beatles but just hid it a lot better.
I agree with you
The Shine a Light video presents a decent band but we know that all sorts of processing goes on before release. PS... I had waited about 45 yrs to see the Stones....saw them at Murrayfield Stadium Edinburgh Scotland about 4 or 5 yrs ago. Was returning from the bar when the gig started and the opening chords rang out to Start Me Up. Keef plays the wrong opening chord (the video of this was up on YT for a while). A real stinker. I nearly dropped both pints. For the rest of the gig I would say my mate's pub band who do about 10 Stones songs could have held up just as well, however Mick was on another fitness level - amped up and running about on the runway for 2 hours like a 20 yrs old - and it had been raining and was likely to be wet on that thing too. I assume he was singing but how one does that and sings I'll never know.
the best bit in the Stones Gimme Shelter movie about Altamont is when a dog walks across the stage lol
You are a warrior my friend. I can only imagine the vitriol that comes your way. However your research is sound. I have spent time cross referencing those areas that I can and your research is more than solid. I was one of the biggest Beatles fans ever and when I came across both the memoirs of Billy shears and your research, it was a blow but my love for the truth was deeper than my love for the Beatles So though it hurt and for a while stung my musical identity, I got over it because I’m a truth seeker first. I think that’s the problem with the majority of people in all walks of life. They have not a live of the truth but a love of the world. Take care mike. You are a true truth warrior
"Oh, and there we were all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the deviI's only friend
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in HeII
Could break that S4t4n's spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Sa+an laughing with delight
The day the music died"
Don McLean equates the Moon landing h04x with the d34th of America and veils it as a Rolling Stones reference.
Very interesting. Where can I find the information about this? I think you are right. I saw a McLean video of a song he did in concert in Israel from the late ‘70’s. I remember him saying something in his song introduction about politics being fake and a show basically. Did you ever see that clip?
I believe he was referring to Altamont.
Did Don writes those lyrics?
There is no way in Hades that jagger/richards wrote As Tears Go By and Lady Jane. There are many others, maybe even Paint It Black.
great stuff, mike.!
over 50 years writing, performing, recording, i play and sing by ear, most songs i wrote, right off the top of my head, lyrics/words, and music.
i recently found just some and chronicled my original music from the mid 1970s up to 2020. in 1979,stopped going to see bands play, as i focused on being on a stage, any stage , playing my own music. have never bought a beatle or stones recording, as i was singing in a band by age 9. i do not use drugs , as they are no good to do as you said, anything well. i think organic, i can not hear it on a radio. you have great insight and look forward to you and all to uncover the huge iceberg of fakes, phonies and frauds, in this pied piper scam going on in my whole lifetime.
thank you, love from italy, robert
ps,,,more please
Close to fifty years of listening to Sweet home Alabama and I never realized that “Swampers” referred to an actual group of men. They do pick me up when I am feeling blue.
I thought they meant swampers as in some sort of Florida swamp people in the south lol
I sometimes wonder mike whether these artists actually provide the vocals all of the time. Listen to McCartney's vocals on THE NIGHT BEFORE and compare it to THINGS WE SAID TODAY. You wouldn't think it's the same person, maybe it's not. Thanks mike another great presentation
I just had a quick listen to those songs - you’re right!!
Thanks, Mike. Your site is one of the most eye-opening, informative and important sites on UA-cam, especially for people of my generation who grew up on this music. I still like listening to it, but now I find myself wondering about other acts like The Who, etc.
So Keith goes to the bathroom to finish the song Wild Horses. Decides a little more heroin will do the trick and promptly passes out due to Jet lag, booze, groupie's, non stop parting and more heroin. A few hours pass he wakes up to the banging on the door stumbles out shuffles past the cue lined up to use the bathroom. As he enters the control room he hears the finished song Wild Horses playing though the monitors. Says "Bloody hell who wrote this?" The Swampers all grin and say in unison "You did!" Keith smiles while puffing on a cig and says "Yeah, I knew I had it in me."
Nailed it!
Gram parsons wrote the song stones stole it
Hahaha. Such b.s man!
One reason for the discrepancies in Jagger and Richards stories could be due to the drug and alcohol haze both were in during this time period. I would have loved to hear the late Charlie Watts take on this period since he appeared to be the only one in the band who wasn't a complete degenerate. Great vid btw, it has me thinking for sure.
Watts also became addicted to heroin in the 1970s, or so the story goes.
Great stuff, Mike!!! Thank you. Best & cheers, Sean
Great presentation as always Mike,
I assume when Keith talks about going to the toilet, the smirk gives away he went to do coke , and left the session players to finish the work
Sounds similar to when Ringo went for " a pie and a pint" , and the session drummer finished the drumming on the track
Interestingly, there is a mason lodge in nearby Sheffield, AL just 3 miles away...
The hidden hand. Someone should do some digging and find out if there is also a nearby military facility, particularly Air Force or intelligence.
Hey Mike , I just saw a clip of Billy he's in front of a Disney screen. His right eye was lazy. And then he looks left. And his right eye did not move.
Billy Boy.
Yeah, there's a short interview clip that popped up on UA-cam recently and the way the two eyes don't align is so blatant, once you know about it...
@@RickNBacker yes, that's the one. His eye was lazy. He's in front of a Disney display. Once you know u can really see it.
Oh yeah. The Stones are definitely a part of this 😂
Plus the song "You Got to Move" was just a cover of an old Mississippi Fred McDowell tune so there was no writing involved.
Hi Mike thanks for the great presentation. After a bit of research I’ve noticed a few connections between the Stones and the Beatles and the Get back sessions and Sticky fingers . Both were a going back to basics . Both shared the same engineer Glyn Johns. Both shared the same keyboard player Billy Preston. Both shared same Financial advisor Allen Klein( Jan 26 1969 for Lennon) Both had their songs recorded in different studios
Also George Harrison recorded a demo of all things must pass (15 songs in one day ??May 27 1970 echoes of Esher demos) called Beware of ABKCO ( Allen Klein’s company ) as members of both groups were becoming suspicious of Klein. Harrison is missing from the official photo of Klein signing Beatles . It’s interesting too that Klein kept the copyrights of two of the songs recorded in Muscle Shoals Brown Sugar and Wild Horses when he and the Stones parted company because the Stones had signed over the copyright to all their songs since 1963 to him .PS wild horses was always my fav Stones song. Made famous by another spook Gram Parsons with the Flying Burrito Bros but that’s a whole different story.
Mike another fantastic show I only wish it was longer but thank you. this is crazy now the rolling Stones are a manufactured band?
I read many Moons ago that Gram Parsons had a hand in writing "Wild Horses." Hence the "country rock"vibe..Fact is that they used "Nashville" tuning/high strung guitar on that recording...
Yes the stones stole that’s song no dollars for parsons I bet he wrote a lot of songs for then including brown sugar and the stones went to the swappers to record it as their own
I never went to a Stones' concert, but many of my friends did. One friend told me (I forget what year it was he went) the opening act, who was Stevie Winwood of Traffic, gave a tight and good performance, but the Stones were awful. The guitarist Jeff Beck tells a story that when he was asked to join the Stones he would go to the rehersals but none of the Stones would show up. Beck was told (and I paraphase) that was way they did things. Needless to say, Beck didn't join, but Ronnie Wood did.
Hi Mike I have just watched the presentation again and my minds blown away by the way we have been mislead over the years Billy The Rolling Stones, and so many others of whatever the powers that be decide, we are on this ride together but I feel some what let down by the so called artists we have enjoyed over the years and events which we have we have seen that have happened over time great presentation Mike, Keith 🥕🥕🥕🥕 eating scous er
YOU are so right on !
Thanks Mike!! Great stuff! 👍👍👍
I agree, plus the 440 VS 432 tuning.
Very fishy, I've walked away.
I just focus on my loved ones.
I love them all dearly.
Revised: sorry for commenting before getting to 9:00 in the video ...
Now Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers
And they've been known to pick a song or two (yes they do)
Lord they get me off so much
They pick me up when I'm feelin' blue
Now how about you?
What is Ronnie trying to tell us here?
Sounds like he's saying that the Swampers play the songs when the "real" band is too high to do it. "They pick me up when I'm feelin' blue."
I think Richard's comment about "writing the song" in the Bathroom could be Master Speak telling us it was a sh*t Story 🤔
When he says the bathroom that means shootin up
That makes more sense than writing the entire song on the crapper.
I worked with someone who had been in music production in Nashville. He said in the case of David Allen Coe, marijuana and alcohol were REQUIRED to get the best performance out of him! Also, I think that LSD did influence a lot of the music of the 60s. In fact, there's a song called "My Friend Jack" about taking it, by the Smoke 😆
Some drugs do alter our thoughts., not to be construed with making an artist better at his craft. As Jerry Garcia said to that .."I practice..."
So called classic songs require a great deal of pre-production details such as: do you use a stratocaster for the rhythm? or do I use a P90 or a
Humbucker guitar? How much gain on your footpedals? should we leave out the flanger or do I double track the vocals when it comes to the chorus? How long is the Outtro going to be? How long is the intro do I need a solo on the song? Should we use a Vox or a Baseman or should we “Di” the acoustics? What Mics? SM 57 or 58? etc etc it takes a long time of drawn out process to answer those questions and many many more little things pop up! There has to be no doubt in the mind of the many that everything is as good as it can be! I’ve heard the same mistakes in a few of the songs I recorded in the 90’s and I still get the shits!! “Why didn’t i change that lyric or I now have a better riff than the one we went with!! Pre-production…can’t do without it!
Thanks Mike!!
Sorta, I can believe they don't need that much. If you're a pro guitarist you know how a part would sound with a strat or tele, or hollow body etc. Worst case you take a few minutes to play the part again. Playing blues style there is only so much one can deviate, and most notes/parts are result of jamming, not an Adorno's pen. There was much less equipment choices, I'd imagine as contrived as many rock acts are, certain gear now being revered for being using was probably just because that was one of a couple options available. Energy is very important too, if you're the best, your shit is the best...not much is needed to improve it. Muscles Shoals folks were some of the best musicians, esp for southern sounding blues / country, and the stones were the coolest people in the world...worshiped by hundreds of millions, sort of spell-casting ritual; no doubt plays an interesting role...compared to a truly independent group, good or not, who records some tracks relatively alone. My 2cents.
But I do really wonder producing and mastering details...how painstakingly contrived or natural was each aspect
It makes you wonder if Brian Jones was the Rolling Stones musical handler? I know he was trained on piano initially and was very proficient at short notice with various instruments, and he always came up with a good hook, the stones definitely changed when they lost Brian and took on Mick Taylor, which amounted to blues virtuosity, which did favour them? I really liked the albums that he worked with them on. But I really liked the singles that Brian played on as he seemed to sprinkle his fairy dust over the production and added a lot of interesting arrangements. That was way ahead of what Mick and Keith could’ve come up with as they seemed to be locked into Chuck Berry territory.
@@brohemian as Bon Scott once said “it’s harder than you think!! And the RS’s didn’t want to copy a brilliant “Swappers crew” so there had to be a quality cut off… and then there’s Mick Taylor (virtuoso) to beef them up live, for example the fabled Belgium concert is exceptional to put it mildly, granted what you mentioned but my old band would spend 2 weeks in pre-production to smash down as much of the songs as possible mainly due to cost of studio and arrangements that take up a great deal of time. 3 days go quickly and Wild Horses is a wonderful tune that moves in stages of complexity and feel… I’m rambling…
Great Presentation Mike!
I noticed the Keystones over the entrance and windows of the studio. A keystone means it's considered an arch, which occultists believe to be a gateway to other dimensions
Hi Mike, another masterpiece leaving no stone unturned as usual thanks for this amazing presentation have a good weekend Keith 🥕🥕🥕eating Scous er 22:26
He probably went to the bathroom to get high.
Stuck a needle in his arm
No shit.
Not probably.
They finished recording the song while Keith was in the bathroom.
U should look into eddie Vedder of pearl jam .he got switched just like Paul McCartney
You have to wonder how Eddie ended up in Seattle. Eddie's background is completely bizarre. Seattle was another manufactured scene, just like Laurel Canyon. I wish Mike would have a look at the grunge scene for his next project. Who were these people, really? Eddie bears a strong resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald.
@@tobi3799 I lived in Seattle for a few years in my 40s. It's such a corporate, dreary hellhole. I didn't meet anyone there with any creativity. It's hard for me to imagine a 'scene' like grunge just popping up organically in a city like Seattle. I could be wrong, but it doesn't really pass the smell test for me.
@@brianstupar7433 Yeah, and there was the same sort of media deification of the bands that came out of there, like with the British bands. Dave Grohl is from Virginia and his dad was involved in politics and journalism. So, how'd he end up in a band in Seattle?
brilliant mike
Motown had the
"Funk Brothers ".
That's crazy to think that they didn't actually write these songs. I really like playing blackbird on the guitar and always liked imagining Paul McCartney having written it and what he was thinking and feeling at the time. Same with so many of my favorite white album tracks. I really like playing while my guitar gently weeps figure plucking style with the vocal melody and rhythm at the same time it sounds good that way even though you can't really do the leeds too. In fact I think I must've heard a george Harrison version of him playing acoustic like that. Hmmm... I held onto the rock n roll fantasy for a long time of getting high and playing guitar for 10 hours at a time with help of medication or whatever. It kept me from really doing anything good in my life for a long time. The drug message to music in my opinion is pretty toxic for an impressionable young person. Maybe that's part of the point, a conclusion that these Tavistock type think tanks come up with to further their agendas. I can totally see how they use these groups to push what they want. One of my favorite bands the pixies has a song called U-mass about university of Massachusetts, I believe they are a product of this educational institution. .. in that song he screams," its educational " for the chorus. Yeah man I bet a lot more thinking and time and studio musician contributions go into these projects than we are aware. But we think about this and we are aware!
I disagree with the Beatles and do not think anyone who's seen him (plus on some ol' live clips, see "Long Tall Sally") thinks Ringo isn't playing drums, but the Stones i think have had varying amounts of help. I think this stopped - in the recording sense, and if we're really to still assume it's the same Keith Richards - once Ronnie Wood joined the band. Woody has a high-sloped forehead, is(?) totally alcoholic, and is unlikely to be able to hold too many secrets in that reptile brain. Before that, at least starting with when they began recording in America, I think there have been varying levels of help. Mick has no problem writing lyrics, it'd seem maybe with some help from Andrew at first. Brian's harmonica and slide parts are all his, as at least is most of Keith's acoustic work. Mick Taylor probably got several solos onto record. But there are many things about the Stones' story that stink, and I've read many of de hagiographical books such as "Life"
@The85Pro Bernard Purdie - Legendary Drummer Discusses Fixing (Drumming On) 21 Beatle Tracks: ua-cam.com/video/CLqkk1443Dc/v-deo.html
Read Purdie's book and you'll get your answer on Hang On Sloopy. Bernard Purdie - Legendary Drummer Discusses Fixing (Drumming On) 21 Beatle Tracks: ua-cam.com/video/CLqkk1443Dc/v-deo.html
Thank You for this. I remember watching the documentary & it made no sense. They just seemed to be talking about writing & recording. Logically it just did not make any sense the Rolling Stones were writing & recorded their albums this way. They present as being a mess & out of their minds on drink & drugs ☂️ Nothing is real
Preston had a busy year in 1969. Most of my best thinking is on the toilet...lol. Never been a big Stones fan although it is weird that the first LP I owned as a pre teen was the octagon LP and played the thing to death. Ruby Tuesday, Mother's Little Helper, Paint It Black (mandela'ed)...the list goes on. Quite the album. I suppose the album was a gift for Christmas or my birthday. I wanted the Beatles...ended up with the Stones.
I just wander how , muscle scholes managed to compose all these great songs, they must of have a wide range of musicians, and songwriters, it’s quite mind boggling really, thank you Mike .
Thank you for tackling the Stones. Unline the Beatles with many suspect aspects, the Stones are much tighter but too perfect story; despite being of the same coin.
There is also the lore aspect of Gram Parsons writing/contributing to Wild Horses. Despite great instrumentals, someone has to write the songs, at least the lyrics. Finding clues (sorta like how Richards wonders how others tracks would have sounded recorded @ Shoals) about such origins would be curious. Like you said, without the veneer, it is much easier to understand what the related actors are saying and where they are coming from...
Tavistock is now publicly very much about trainsgender studies including how chemicals/psychology(trauma) affect the body in related ways etc. Imo some/all members of both those bands are gender inverted. Tavistock association all the sweeter.
Searching this now, looks like there was a media backlash a few months ago. Tavistock's 'studies' went beyond just one clinic giving druqs to 'kids'.
Hi Mike, Thanks for this presentation. There is no way that they could have just shown up at the studio with nothing (just like in "Get Back" and the "Rubber Soul" - and most other sessions for the Beatles) and in 3 days write, rehearse and record 2 of the best songs they ever came up with: Wild Horses and Brown Sugar - ( You've Got To Move - not so much...) Another fairy tail for public consumption and myth-making. No band does this. You only go into the studio to record songs that are written, fine-tuned, rehearsed and ready to go. Studio time is expensive and you have to wait in line to reserve your time. I have often wondered how these guys could have come up with all their hits over the years - especially from 1962 - 1975. There is no way that they wrote all or even the majority of them. But then again, they were in the same "club_ as the Beatles - IE - Tavastock/EMI. Once we see how the process worked for the Beatles, it's easy to see the parallel with the Stones. That being said, I have thought that there was actual musical talent in the band. Charlie Watts was a skilled jazz drummer and performed very well live. Mick Taylor (although never an actual "Member" of the Stones - only a hired hand) was a session musician. He was a member of John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers and was the real deal. Both he and Charlie are probably on the recordings from 1969 - 1974. As for Keith Richards and Bill Wyman - I doubt that they are on anything. I have heard bootleg live performance from the early 70's and Keith was terrible as a live performer as compared with Mick Taylor. Just like the Beatles, social engineering was at play - the drug use/bad boy image sold lots of records and influenced millions. Another great presentation - as expected. Thanks Mike!
Thanks for the great comment 👊
I always wondered why so many bands release a few amazing albums, then follow with mediocre ones. It's like a requirement in the industry. Also a singer makes a comeback album and then dies. Very suspicious. I am familiar with all the conspiracies about the industry and entertainment in general. I still listen to these bands, but it is not the same when you know the truth.
I recently watched the documentary on Muscle Shoals with Rick Hall. Lynard Skynard declined to record there.
This doc is SO informative! They relly do tell you the truth, if you just pay attention and don't bring in what you've been tol dyour whole life about these bands. What I see from this footage is a group of guys who really love their clothing and hair cuts. They smoke, drink and do other things. They do not write or play any instrument in any cottage. The singer does not ever sing. They listen, they react. They do not create anything. They consume and accept.
Then, in interviews in weird mansions with very little furniture, they wear a lot of makeup while again wearing very expensive clothing and either hair pieces or dyed hair or something, and say that they played and wrote. I've never seen footage of Jagger or Richards practicing their "crafts", only them mugging and strutting onstage. I was too young and inexperienced to know that Jagger basically does black face on stage. As I got older, and saw more photos and rare footage of black blues performers, I saw that Jagger was just parodying them, and not well at all! It wasn't a case of admiring a performance style and trying to emulate it, he straight up stole and even, in my opinion, makes fun of American black performers with his stage work. Now that I've seen it, I literally cannot watch Jagger on stage. It's insulting. The music industry is an insult.
Hey Mike, did you look at the numbers of 3614 Jackson Highway? It comes up to '6'. Interesting...
How did you come to 6?
The ordinal reduction of the address numbers plus the street name come to 168, this reduces to 1+6+8=15. 1+5=6
Hi Mike...when you mentioned that the songs where "almost" in a finishing state....I Thought what you had said that The Stones were there at Muscle Shoals for "Overdubbing"...I'll borrow a line from that other band and say..."Nothing Is Real". Thanks for the presentation.
However it was done, the results are timeless masterpieces.
The fall back position 😏
Timeless brainwashing
So mick goes to the rest room sticks a needle in his arm wakes up three days later cuts a huge check to the studio for his new hits
If any group of session players could arrange, engineer, write, and produce in three days, The Swampers could, and dont believe they would fabricate a story.
Now Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers and they've been known to pick a song or two (Yes they do) ~Lynyrd Skynyrd (Sweet Home Alabama)
The Stones recorded 3 songs at muscle shoals. One was a cover version You got to move which is not much different to Fred McDowell's version. Jagger had Brown sugar worked out since the movie Ned Kelly months earlier. You can see him playing it to Tina Turner backstage at MSG a month before the shoals sessions on you tube. All these songs were took back to London and worked on for the following year. Versions of Wild horses exist on bootleg with pedal steel, orchestra and lead guitar. All that survived from this session on sticky fingers are the bare bones of the songs which capture the feel and atmosphere that Keith talks about. Brown sugar is best known for Bobby Keys sax solo not recorded in muscle shoals. Bobby has been championed by Keith till the day he died for his contribution.
In the show with Billy Watson I get into more of the specifics (e.g., Jagger "writing" Brown Sugar while filming Ned Kelly, etc.): ua-cam.com/video/id3jYHXCV6A/v-deo.html
Hello Mike , Great video, but I have a question. I am only half way through, but I haven't heard the " Let It Bleed " album mentioned. That was released in late 1969 , and featured Mick Taylr on a few cuts. I think it was one of their best albums , and personally I liked it better than " Sticky Fingers ".
I watch all of your videos, and agree with you regarding the Beatles music and the McCartney switch.
, Dean ( in Syracuse )
So these are the swampers Lynyrd Skynyrd was singing about?
Once you have eyes to see it, its everywhere. One of my things is to go back and watch classic mainstream stuff, an notice how clunky and unrefinds theyre methods used to be. Makes one wonder how they got away with so much horrible stuff, and nobody "got it".
You're so right: once you see it in one place, you can begin the journey of seeing it everywhere. For example, a lot of Mike's viewers on this channel like to spot fakery in the music business and begin to build their discernment. Once you can see it, then you see the fakery and deceit in professional sports. And in TV news. We're pretty much trapped in a matrix of deceit.
I saw the documentary about muscle shoals and the swampers
A great movie
Referencing the stones segment the words Wild Horses and Brown Sugar are slang dialects for Heroin
Horse and Brown Sugar are slang for heroin
When Keith was in the bathroom he was probably shooting up heroin
Having friends who did this would disappear into the bathroom for hour shooting up
The other question among many is who controlled the master tapes, what were the tape sizes used for the master tapes, 1/4” 1/2” 2” and did the studios have the same tape machines to play the master tapes?
Bill Wyman isn’t present in the studio clips.
Proven by how crappy the Stones are live. I saw them live in Dallas and Fort Worth 78/80 and was miffed at how they played...and the live album "Love you live"
I sort of like that album but it does sound like a bunch of beer filled dad's having a go at a barbecue, doesn't it?! Deffo not top drawer musicians.
PJ Harvey has a fake eye as well, her left eye is a prosthetic. I suspect a few artist have them. She does for sure, look at old interviews and pics.
Hey!, “Headin to bathroom” = shoot heroin.
worked rock n roll backstage 1970 - 2019... still will once they drop the “mandated BS”. 71 n still goin...
The Kinks are another British group that I would investigate. They recorded iconic songs like "You Really Got Me" and "Lola" in the sixties and then their output went way down in the seventies?
Great stuff Mike! Who wrote the book 'Memoirs' you refer to?
Tom Uharriet is the author/encoder: tinyurl.com/2b79b9fe
@Sage of Quay™ Radio thanks 🙏 I know you're American, but I'm English and I've always wondered why Mick Jagger, who's a cockney, has always chosen to sing with a strong American accent.... very strange!
Firmly believe Parsons wrote Wild Horses
Could be
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour Mike, what do you think Charlie Watts died of? Not sure cause of death was revealed.
I think your pretty much spot on Mike. Especially when the.....I already had the song in my head & the toilet story, was hilarious!!!
Almost giving to them on a plate , like many others too
The whole story is ridiculous. I'm a musician, writing a solid tune takes a lot of time. There's no freaking way wild horses was written on the spot. Absolute horsesh@t. So they show up and in 3 days manage to create hits like that? hilarious. You see where this is going, they're telling you that drugs make you creative.
Thank you 👊
Or, maybe the horse shit is you're just jealous that you can't write a song that great in 3 days or probably 3 years I'd imagine. And for those of you that say the Stones can't play live, why don't you start watching the 1969 Madison Square Garden tour hits on UA-cam and study the 1970 album "Get Yer YaYas Out" and report back on their 'sub par' playing skills, please. And then remember, it was during this period of amazing playing they went into that studio to record. So if you think they cannot write an additional verse, repeat it three times, throw a change with a relatively simple solo over it, and an intro which is basically the change, and track it while they are that tight a unit in 3 full days at an amazing studio, with the likes of Charlie Watts and the INCREDIBLE Mick Taylor in the band as well as the others, not to mention the pros to record it and add parts as sidemen who have played for years in the studio, please open up your eyes and consider this opinion. I am not against the whole Tavistock theories at all, but you are cutting down the Stones in '69, when the proof of their abilities are all over this platform to see and hear. I have owned recording facilities for years, so I have seen or been part of quite a few 3 day miracles, and I am grateful for that more than I can ever say. And I have also been part of 3 day disasters, similar to what is being implied here. And to finally wrap this up, those guys are in their 80's now, so they physically will never be able to perform like they did in their early to mid 20's, yet they still are out there performing, and I haven't heard that Jagger was put out to pasture in '66 and replaced with Faul....or Fick for that matter, so how about a little love for this band, maybe? Anyway, no disrespect intended, and keep on truckin', I do like what you research and report on, and I do believe it is quite important work!!!
@stephenfeldman8957 The Stones and the entire British Invasion were a creation of Tavistock. As well as every other pop genre of music that followed. If you owned recording studios as you state then you should know the songwriting, rehearsal, and recording process and how Keith's (and Mick's) storytelling of how Wild Horses was written is exactly that... storytelling. Do you honestly believe Keith wrote the song in the crapper at the studio? Then presented the song to his bandmates, worked on it some more, rehearsed it, and then recorded it, and then moved on to record Brown Sugar and You Gotta Move - all within 2-3 days (likely 2 days). And then we have the possibility that the song was actually written by Gram Parsons. In the liner notes to the 1993 Rolling Stones compilation album Jump Back, Jagger states, "I remember we sat around originally doing this with Gram Parsons, and I think his version came out slightly before ours..." If you ask me, Muscle Shoals was an overdub session at best. The basic tracks were already recorded coming in.
ps....just watching RickBeato interviewing Tim Pierce about his session work. The first 10mins itself is very revealing and pertinent. Video titled - ''Do It NOW Or You’re FIRED''
Can you post the link here? Thanks.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/FELFryqmhaE/v-deo.html
Mick Jagger stole his entire voice from Don Covay and the Goodtimers and even covered his song Mercy Mercy. Obviously being British his voice is contrived.
I know the Johnson family pretty well over 50 years. They are good people.js
Plus they were mixin in the mobile so u never seem >n the building
I also saw s video that gram parsons wrote wild horses had three different version written in his poetry book music and lyrics so I believe stones stole the song and did not credit him and of course he died a mysterious death video is on UA-cam
Another hint two years with no records back in the day bands put out one to two records a year they were desperate and signed a new deal so they could take a little more royalties?
Always been skeptical about the Stones, (especially some of those more complex early tracks.) As good a musician as they say Brian Jones was, lots of it just doesn’t add up. Regardless, Keith Richards (who is somewhat of a hero to me) is and has been an embarrassingly bad guitar player for a long, long time…
I bought the Sympathy For The Devil (the making of) DVD a few years ago, all you really see is a lot of vocal run-throughs and lots of Keef noodling and lighting cigarettes in the back but very little - if any - 'actual' laying tracks down, each scene cut the tune was obviously more and more augmented but little evidence those in attendance had any input, you'd think a film set around developing a song would be the takes as they go down/the post-take congratulations etc. but aside from throwing each other matches there's little togetherness going on, just a bunch of disparate blokes in a room, Wyman and Jones look on like they're in their own world, it left a shady feeling about them
Great vid Mike Does Mick Jagger have a ring on his pinky finger at 17:02? gay men used to wear these as a sign of their sexual identity .....I read that MK Ultra liked using homosexual men as they are easier to manipulate.
Is that Captain Kangaroo?
Yep ... can't say I haven't enjoyed their music and been a bit of a fan in the past but since I've learned about all this stuff, the more I have to agree. You have to listen to what they are actually saying and how the music leaves you feeling. Never quite understood why people romanticise Richards so much and basically celebrate the fact he's lived abs survived a completely hedonistic drug fuelled life style. Jagger definetly got a sinister vibe about him. Just have to look at his recent release with David Grohl Reckon they know full well what went on with Brian Jones ... poor guy.
Musicians and Authorship aside, Brown Sugar is one of the best rock and roll songs EVER! Whenever I hear it, it's just as good as the first time I heard it.
It's a great song.
Mike! Even Babe Ruth didn’t bat 1,000. I appreciate you opening our eyes to a lot of Paul and maybe others. The problem I have is that Everything you say is twisted to suit the conspiracy narrative. Especially the flipping of numbers to make a 6 ect. Slow it down a little.
What do I constantly hammer home? Learn the signs and symbols. If you don't then you will be lost. 6s and 9s, in occult numerology, are *always* candidates to be flipped (see Jimi Hendrix's song If 6 Was 9). The controllers are occultists and they paint by the numbers.
So aside from conjecture and supposition where is your actual supporting evidence that the Stones where a manufactured band and didn't play on the Muscle Shoals tracks? Having listened to their individual styles for over 60 years there is no doubt that the Stones are playing on the Muscle Shoals tracks. Also, you are dead wrong about the sound at Muscle Shoals being determined by the musicians rather than the studio itself. In those days every studio did indeed have its own sound. This was determined by the mixing board, the microphones used, the studio acoustics, how the room was baffled, which amps were used, how the resident engineers mic'd the instruments, and even the dimensions of the room. All of this has a direct effect on the sound, and is the reason the Stones were keen to record there. When Keith refers to subsequent session as not having the same feel he is absolutely referring to the physical space at Muscle Shoals. And by the way, I could take your birthday or any sequence of numbers and turn it into "666", or any other number you want.
You're going to have to do the research to understand Tavistock and its role in social engineering. As well as researching Stanford Research Institute (SRI). The institutes report to the Committee of 300. Recommended books: Tavistock Institute: Social Engineering the Masses (Estulin), The Committee of 300 (Coleman), and The Memoirs of Billy Shears (Uharriet). It's *not* information that is going to be in mainstream sources. You can never say there is "no doubt" because you were not there. You were not an eyewitness to what took place at the studio. Who you believe is actually on the recordings is shaped by the official narrative. I recommend watching the Wrecking Crew documentary (as well as Muscle Shoals and Hired Gun) to understand how the music business worked in the 1960s, 70s, and from the 80s on (Hired Gun). Yes, studio, equipment, mic placement, setup, and a great sound engineer can have an impact on the sound. I agree. But Richards and Jagger talked about the funky sound. The funk comes from the musician. The setup will capture that funky sound but the funk itself (i.e., the attitude/groove) comes from the musician. So, your argument appears to downplay/discount the musicianship and places the "feel", "vibe" and "sound" squarely on the studio setup and environment. You should also research the importance of numerology within occult practices (Their Satanic Majesties Request comes to mind). Both the Beatles and Stones as Tavistock social engineering initiatives were steeped in the occult.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour I have my own ears and know the sound of each of the Stones, including Mick Taylor, and their uniqueness as well as I know my own. Saying I don't know because I wasn't there is a weak defense, but regardless it would apply to you as well, right? You weren't there so how do you know that studio players laid down the basic tracts? Again, where's your evidence? My comments on the studio set up was in reference to your comment that Keith knew they would never sound the same again because the mix of musicians would not be replicated. I pointed out the obvious difference that each studio makes and to set you straight on what Keith was actually referring to in his comments you quoted. What I have "discounted" is your ludicrous conclusion that the Rolling Stones are a manufactured band. What's even more ridiculous is that none of your other commenters gave you push-back on that. There would have to be an expectation that the extraordinary things you say here would garnish rebuttal. I have to say, it makes for somewhat entertaining fiction, though.
If you're interested in going beyond fictional official narratives then you need to do the research. If you do then things will start to fall into place and make sense. On the other hand, if you're content believing what you believe then by all means carry on.
could Mick & Keith be more vague...no vvonder - the drugs
Jagger, and also Richards are known to embellish, to play fast and loose with the facts. Both of them are genius wordsmiths.
So why not all Mick Taylor? Bill Wyman? Instead of conjuring a ridiculous theory that The Stones did not walk on the moon.
Please clarify your point.
@@TheSageofQuayRadioHour Ask Mick Taylor what went on in the studio, there. Ask Bill Wyman. The recording engineer gave a nice interview, detailing quite a bit. I opened with that both Jagger or Richards can never be taken at their word for anything. Trust, but verify.