3 Minute Friday: Difference between Turkish, Tatar and Ottoman Bows

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  • Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
  • As I received this question recently, this might be of interest for a complete beginner in asiatic archery :) enjoy
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  • @Archerstidbits
    @Archerstidbits 3 роки тому +5

    Yeah, 3-minute friday is back!!

  • @12henry1234
    @12henry1234 3 роки тому +3

    Focused explanation to something I was curious about. Thanks.

    • @jareth7456
      @jareth7456 3 роки тому

      The tartar bow is a dedicated war bow although the sepahi was used for war its not as effective against armor and is more of a sporting bow ,I've seen pictures of some Turkish war bow and they look like a hybrid of the two

  • @EnriqueLUrcia
    @EnriqueLUrcia 3 роки тому +8

    I love the 3 minutes Friday! and I must say the image quality is great! No direct sunlight does help. I own a Alibow FG Tatar and a Istvan Szimeiszter Ottoman, my khatra and arrow flight is much better with the Ottoman bow, and there for also accuracy. But these together with the Snake are the only bows I ever used in my life.

  • @vaportrail226
    @vaportrail226 3 роки тому +3

    Not a historian either but had wondered about this. Thanks!

  • @miguelveratraditionalarche9374
    @miguelveratraditionalarche9374 3 роки тому +5

    Another nice 3 minutes Friday. Always good to know information. Thanks Armin 👍

  • @ozank8938
    @ozank8938 2 роки тому +36

    Turkish and Tatar are the same nation. I love all my people

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  2 роки тому +11

      Of course they are, yet bowbuilder call the ottoman style Turkish and the Tatar Tatar :)

    • @orhanabd1724
      @orhanabd1724 2 роки тому +3

      NO THEY AREN'T!

    • @kaanc3374
      @kaanc3374 2 роки тому +9

      YES THEY ARE !!! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @orhanabd1724
      @orhanabd1724 2 роки тому +2

      @@kaanc3374 No they aren't! Even the language is different.

    • @kaanc3374
      @kaanc3374 2 роки тому +8

      Nope. Language is same and nation is one. Turk=Tatar

  • @VladMcMerlin
    @VladMcMerlin 3 роки тому +3

    Both designs are beautiful. Turkish preferred for me so far.

  • @Tengrinin_Kirbaci
    @Tengrinin_Kirbaci Рік тому

    Thank you for the true historical explanation of these beautiful bows.

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN
    @DANTHETUBEMAN 3 роки тому +3

    Both these designs look so good to me. I want to see some one 3D print a bow.

  • @royarnehegge2475
    @royarnehegge2475 3 роки тому +2

    Congratulations with a new quiver Mr Hirmer., and grate info on a Friday :)

  • @arashardalan7497
    @arashardalan7497 3 роки тому +4

    Super clear explanation! Thank you so much Armin :-) looking forward to more videos in this series.

  • @lebondave4377
    @lebondave4377 3 роки тому +4

    It so strange to see you with a quiver 😁
    Excellent video as usual

    • @jareth7456
      @jareth7456 3 роки тому

      I made him a quiver he doesn't have to fiddle with the belt

  • @daigans
    @daigans 3 роки тому +1

    instructive thank you for sharing your knowledge with us

  • @monokheros5373
    @monokheros5373 2 роки тому

    you have gone over the different bow styles and some of the different draw styles... im haveing a hard time finding different styles of holding arrows in hand
    thanks Armin enjoy your new range!

  • @michaelayala-fv2cd
    @michaelayala-fv2cd Рік тому +3

    How to buy a Turkish bow

  • @lulustocke8251
    @lulustocke8251 3 роки тому +2

    Very informative, love it.
    And: I see a quiver, you go smart-mode, eh? 😋

  • @sidalimokrani8275
    @sidalimokrani8275 3 роки тому +1

    exelent topic, thank you for the information, it would be awesome if you can make a series of videos where you talk about each bow because as you said the line gets blurry sometimes

  • @srinjoyroychoudhury7034
    @srinjoyroychoudhury7034 3 роки тому +5

    I love the tatar design. It was so effective that the tatar design was used all over Eurasia. Chinese and Indo-Persian bows also have similar designs.

    • @jareth7456
      @jareth7456 3 роки тому +1

      I've seen Chinese bows that look like tartar bows

  • @Taylor_in_Southern_Oregon
    @Taylor_in_Southern_Oregon 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks again!

  • @Apyramidfrfr
    @Apyramidfrfr Місяць тому

    Nice video man you explained it amazingly, Thanks for that 🤙

  • @growinmoflower3391
    @growinmoflower3391 Рік тому

    Beautiful bows!

  • @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123
    @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123 3 роки тому +7

    Please do others too: Assyrian, Avar, Mughal, Persian, Mamluk, etc 👍🏼😃

    • @kaanc3374
      @kaanc3374 2 роки тому +2

      All of them actually different variation of Turkish (nomad) bow.

    • @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123
      @aal-e-ahmadhussain3123 2 роки тому +1

      @@kaanc3374 yes they are all variations from Central Asia.

  • @greyareaRK1
    @greyareaRK1 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome, thank you.

  • @yolfio3873
    @yolfio3873 3 роки тому

    Yeah it’s so cool do with other kind like Mongolian korean Scythian assyrian etc . Really good explanation

  • @sportweaponsandothers
    @sportweaponsandothers Рік тому

    Great video! Thanks!

  • @UncleDanBand64
    @UncleDanBand64 3 роки тому +1

    Turkish bow for my needs 👍

  • @levraipaslefaux9593
    @levraipaslefaux9593 3 роки тому

    thank you so mutch for your very intersting vidéo it is a persious help for my choice:tatar bow bicomposite by grozer
    Armin hirmer your are the best thank again

  • @kmarchery
    @kmarchery 3 роки тому +4

    Yes ,3 minute Friday .
    I've been internet yelled at because I said a tartar bow was a turkish bow .
    And yelled at in same way cause the hungarian bow was a design cousin .
    Yet . Tartars are turkic . The tartar bow was widely used as was magyar/hungarian bows .
    People move, always have and ideas move with them .
    Cheers n keep having fun .

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +2

      me too hahahaha

    • @doyouwantthetotalwar
      @doyouwantthetotalwar Рік тому +1

      Tatar is a general name for various Kipchak Turks, while "Turkish" bow specifically refers to bows used by Seljuk and Ottoman Turks, or various other Oghuz Turkic tribes at the most extent. Albeit being related ethnicities, geographically they are different, hence their bows seperately evolved in different geographies, although sharing a common ancestor. So naming Tatar bows as "TurkISH" bows would be misnaming on par as calling Viking/Scandinavian longboats as "German longboats"

  • @sigmanarchery54
    @sigmanarchery54 3 роки тому

    Great information thank you sir.

  • @addedcheese
    @addedcheese 3 роки тому +10

    Armin, you've mentioned in the past that you are a fan of the Manchu bows, but I'm curious. What is your favorite type of bow?

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +15

      I like too many :)

    • @jareth7456
      @jareth7456 3 роки тому +2

      Probably anything that does long draw

  • @muhammadahmad1851
    @muhammadahmad1851 3 роки тому +1

    Mr Hirmer, can you please make a comparison video between Turkish and Mameluke bows?

  • @joharmarangburu376
    @joharmarangburu376 Рік тому

    Nice bow

  • @tacoma1309
    @tacoma1309 2 роки тому

    Thank you Armin: That was very helpful, as the handle would seem most important, how it fits or fights your hand. For example, the new version of Bear takedown riser has a flat side, whereas the older version has a nicely rounded bulb, which, as it were is just the shape of the inside of my palm. So, you can get used to (the void of ) the one but it doesn't feel as naturally fitting and comfortable as the older one. Too bad Malta is so far away!
    Thanks, randy c

  • @alperen38209
    @alperen38209 Рік тому +1

    Both 3 is Altai :D

  • @mauriciom8430
    @mauriciom8430 3 роки тому +2

    I gotta start checking out the recurve Turkish bows. Liking how compact they are. Would definitely carry one as a back up for the hunts I’m gonna be doing. Why? Is a compact bow and I can carry it because they are small.

  • @kemalselek4586
    @kemalselek4586 10 місяців тому

    Ur the man

  • @multitalentedman1284
    @multitalentedman1284 2 роки тому +5

    Tatars or Ottomans all came from Ancient Huns in one way or another . So i wasn't surprised for their bows to be similar in many ways their even language are still %80 similar xD
    One of the most effective bow design for no hesitation btw.
    GJ Armin.
    ''Subscribed allready'' Yikes

    • @orhanabd1724
      @orhanabd1724 2 роки тому

      Tatars are mongolians who settled in Europe! The Hungarians are the old huns and they don't look like tatars.

    • @multitalentedman1284
      @multitalentedman1284 2 роки тому +10

      @@orhanabd1724 Tatars are not mongolian...We are pure Turkic lol. We speak Turkic our roots and culture is similiar with other Turkic people like chuvash kipchaks uzbekhs ottomans seljuks etc You cant know what i am better then me.Hungarians are another story...

    • @orhanabd1724
      @orhanabd1724 2 роки тому

      @@multitalentedman1284 Why I can't know better than you?

    • @orhanabd1724
      @orhanabd1724 Рік тому

      @erkuttimur8794 🤦‍♂️ Look at the eyes of tatar and turk! Tatars have asiatic face and eyes and turks more to arabs

    • @gandhininterligi3504
      @gandhininterligi3504 Рік тому +3

      @@orhanabd1724 Tatars are Turks

  • @Memlek01
    @Memlek01 2 роки тому +2

    Hallo tolles Video,
    Danke für die Informationen.
    Wo kriege ich solche tataren oder türkische bogen her ?

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  2 роки тому +1

      Hallo. Es gibt viele Anbieter vom
      fiberglass Bogen über laminiert bis biocomposit. Auf meinem Kanal findet man viele Reviews

  • @rolfbaumann7585
    @rolfbaumann7585 3 роки тому

    Here is a Suggestion for a 3 Minute friday: do different Arrow Rest Materials such as cow leather, stingray skin, Wood etc. Influence accuracy or arrowflight? I Made an interesting finding but i would Like to See the expert 😁🐯🦁

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +1

      Hehe I will ask an expert then :) but I can see what I can do, interesting topic, thank you

  • @xuzhiluo5168
    @xuzhiluo5168 3 роки тому +1

    En plus le length et le handle, la déformation
    des deux bows peut-être existe différent. On dit que la déformation de tartar à kasan-sel est normalement plus petite que turc, en chinois il s'appelle dur-kasan(硬脊). Mais oui, turc bow a warbow et flight bow, et le kasan de flight bow et plus dur que warbow. Le kasan de korean warbow et de byzantin bow semble est plus dur que tartar pour que leur tournant ne soit pas si évident(si la vraie déformation
    de byzantin bow est comme peinture ancienne), recurve du siyah de byzantin bow et plus petit que korean warbow. Persian bow(après 15e siècle, je ne dit pas sassanid), on peut le connaitre par sa section, elle est plus large.

  • @олегтунаков
    @олегтунаков 3 роки тому +4

    Please add the sound level when recording. Otherwise, there are not enough adjustments. Badly audible.

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому

      hmmm, just checked again here on my iMac, audio is on half and its clear and loud enough. sorry if its not good enough for you

    • @олегтунаков
      @олегтунаков 3 роки тому

      @@ArminHirmer I also have IMAC. But the sound is weak. On other UA-cam channels this problem does not arise for me. You are a very calm person and are not used to speaking loudly). This is good, but I want to hear you well.

    • @EnriqueLUrcia
      @EnriqueLUrcia 3 роки тому

      ​@@олегтунаков yes... the sound of microphone it is a bit low.... I can notice once the ending vignetting comes and gets much louder.

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +1

      @@олегтунаков yeah new mic, failed on me today twice... going back to the old one

  • @someguy4439
    @someguy4439 3 роки тому +2

    Armin can you please make a Hunnic, Mongol and Mughal bow difference all three of them have reletevly long siyahs.

  • @jacekkawczynski4066
    @jacekkawczynski4066 3 роки тому +2

    Great video no dislikes yet😺

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +2

      wait, the Americans are still sleeping :)

    • @jacekkawczynski4066
      @jacekkawczynski4066 3 роки тому +1

      Lol good point Armin

    • @Matt-qq8dh
      @Matt-qq8dh Рік тому

      @@ArminHirmer Loved your info. and video. Thank you very much, sir.

  • @mprokop6
    @mprokop6 3 роки тому +2

    the audio seems quite quiet on this one

  • @brettalizer3271
    @brettalizer3271 3 роки тому +2

    could you do a comparison of Turkish and Korean bows at some point? i see allot of history books say one or the other was the most powerful in history witch do you think is more powerful/efficient?

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому +2

      yes, once I have my Korean War bow from Lukasz Nawalny, I will do

  • @robertogimenez5438
    @robertogimenez5438 2 роки тому

    Lo felicito. Lamentablemente el volumen bajo no me permite escucharlo correctamente
    Roberto Gimenez
    BA ARGENTINA

  • @roderickbalt8993
    @roderickbalt8993 3 роки тому +1

    Great video. Were they both used at the same time as each other (by the same group of people) or is one newer than the other?

  • @regiusregius5079
    @regiusregius5079 3 роки тому

    Cześć, bardzo Fajny film - Ciekawy ...
    Siemanko.
    : )

  • @nazariarchery
    @nazariarchery Рік тому

    Best👍

  • @sunnomi1932
    @sunnomi1932 3 роки тому +1

    I need my channel you tube back is amazing the best in information and entertainment

  • @zulkarneynyavuz8974
    @zulkarneynyavuz8974 2 роки тому +2

    All three are the same nation. All three are Turkish. There are Tatar Turks all over Russia.

  • @beritadunia2588
    @beritadunia2588 3 роки тому

    Awesome. Which one do you prefer to daily practice?

  • @jasontsang2232
    @jasontsang2232 4 місяці тому

    Tartar bow looks like ming bow. Same thing to me. Any difference? Ming moon 3 and 6 is the same thing as tartar

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 місяці тому

      very similar, ming have just different design siyahs

  • @rahuldsouza1985
    @rahuldsouza1985 10 місяців тому

    Wonder which bows tamerlane used in his campaigns?

  • @jaybay9595
    @jaybay9595 2 роки тому

    What's the website that you used to get the yellow tartar bow as I'm looking for my second bow to use along side my 1st version of the arc rolan snake bow.

  • @opa-00
    @opa-00 2 роки тому

    Wich one are the most powerfull and shoot far ???

  • @michaelayala-fv2cd
    @michaelayala-fv2cd Рік тому

    I didn't use the right wording about an authentic turkisy bow, disregard that comment. I order one from Amazon . Thanks.

  • @sunnomi1932
    @sunnomi1932 3 роки тому +1

    The public now h what s the best; obviously YOU TUBE

  • @_embodimentcelestial
    @_embodimentcelestial 3 роки тому

    What kind of arrows are you using

  • @meralkeskin8511
    @meralkeskin8511 Рік тому

    Tribes is differant. Ottoman is Oguz, Tatar is Kıpchak turk.

  • @pv-mm2or
    @pv-mm2or 3 роки тому

    what is the longest strung tartar bow made.

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому

      I dont know

    • @pv-mm2or
      @pv-mm2or 3 роки тому

      @@ArminHirmer Thanks Armin I should have explained a little, I am just under 6' 2" and have a draw length of 34" from the belly of the bow to to the corner of my mouth, for some reason I do not understand, short bows feel uncomfortable to shoot, I would like a horse bow, 66" at present I shoot a 68" recurve take down, I guess I must be looking for the perfect bow fit that may not even exist. thank you anyway, for all the insight and information you share with all of us.

    • @ArminHirmer
      @ArminHirmer  3 роки тому

      @@pv-mm2or why then a Tatar bow? Check the Hou Yi Chinese Bow from Vegh, does 36" and looks similar. If not enough, AF has the Qing bow

  • @PersianArcher
    @PersianArcher 10 місяців тому

    Sipahi is a persian word and it means army

    • @Cer.altunta
      @Cer.altunta 4 дні тому

      In the Ottoman language there are a lot of persian/turkic/arabic words. The vocabulary has a lot of persian words and even today in modern Turkish there are many persian words being used!

  • @cortexz2k584
    @cortexz2k584 Рік тому

    Tatars and Turks are two brother nations speaking the same language

  • @retro12391
    @retro12391 2 роки тому

    Iam tatar turk

  • @OsmanOsmanHan
    @OsmanOsmanHan Рік тому +2

    Tatar and Ottoman are Turkish.

  • @moosebro
    @moosebro Рік тому

    I shoot my Tatar without. Thumb protection.

  • @erik_1953
    @erik_1953 3 роки тому +2

    The Turkish bow is not a nice bow. It's a killing machine. For close combat. ,and leight weight arrows over a greater distance. Opposite of the English longbow who could send a heavy arrow over a great distance, that could kill man and horse.

    • @TheLightlessMoon
      @TheLightlessMoon 3 роки тому +3

      which one is more practical? english archery is highly overrated. archery is only spectacular with a nomadic style on horses.

    • @chroma6947
      @chroma6947 2 роки тому +1

      @@TheLightlessMoon English archers had better accuracy than horse archers, there is no debate. Being stationary and going to shoot after church every sunday for 10 years will make you a marksman. Whether you liked it or not, as it was a legal requirement.

    • @chroma6947
      @chroma6947 2 роки тому

      ​@@TheLightlessMoon And Europeans used both longbows and composite bows. Emperor Maximillian, Hungarians, Polish cavalry, and used in crossbows.

    • @TheLightlessMoon
      @TheLightlessMoon 2 роки тому +2

      @@chroma6947 to be born on a horse, then playing with a composite bow as a toy in childhood can't be compared with practicing once a week with a primitive wooden shit.

    • @chroma6947
      @chroma6947 2 роки тому

      @@TheLightlessMoon primitive but they knew that yew formed a natural composite, primitive but they knew swiss yew was denser, primitive yet they added steam recurved tips, primitive yet they only used right winged feathers. Your 60-80lb bow is useless against plate. Which is what europe was fighting 9 times out of 10