Kiesel Vader 6 vs Strandberg Boden Fusion 6
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"I'm more of a plug n' play kinda guy"
This guy is my spirit animal. He could not care less.
Phil, I love this guy’s comments and ability. You HAVE to feature him more.
Thank you so much!!👍
the guy in the black shirt can't stop talking omg
@@Naxt366 It's HIS Channel .
I bought a custom Vader that I was able to spec out. It’s a beautiful, great sounding guitar.
Then I bought a Strandberg. Then I bought another Strandberg. Next, I bought another Strandberg. My Kiesel is a fine instrument, but I rarely pull it out of the case, whereas my Strandberg(s) get played constantly.
Kane Miller. What do you enjoy about your strandberg more? I’ve played a strandberg and loved it. Never played a kiesel headless though. I wanna buy a strandberg 8 next hopefully
Logan CR I like the body design, I.E. that I can sit with it comfortably on either leg. The tuners on the Strandberg are smoother than those on the Kiesel. I like that I can change pickups on the Strandberg - my Kiesel is a multiscale neck, thus the Kiesel pickups are offset coils, whereas those on the Strandberg are standard humbuckers.
Also, I prefer to have that slight bulge behind the nut of the Strandberg, so I can feel where the fretboard ends.
Kane Miller yeah man. I was looking into kiesel for a 7 string but man they don’t offer anything I really like tbh. Their headless shapes are just so meh for me. Even the new HD one is just bleh. The strandbergs always look great to me. I loved the neck on the 8 string one I played. It’s not necessarily a must but it felt great and comfortable. Thank you for the info! I definitely look forward to getting one in the future🙂
Hey Kane I'm thinking about getting a Strandberg but I'm not so sure about that EndurNeck shape, the guitar neck that I'm most comfortable with are the ones on my MusicMan guitars.
What do you think of the Strandberg neck and how had was the transition from a standard neck and vise-versa when playing a different guitar? What style of playing do you think that type of neck benefits or hampers the the most? Are yours bolt-on or neckthru, if you have one of each which do you prefer? Wish I could try one out before shelling out $2k plus.
@Viral Virus I'm kinda in the same boat, from everything I've read and seen online about the Strandberg I like and want in my next guitar lightweight, comfortable to play in a sitting position, except the uncertainty about the neck which for me is probably the single most important thing. Besides the neck shape I'm also not so sure about the Fan-Fret style fretboard, wish I could find one used locally to try out.
Wow I'm amazed at how good Matt is!! Hats off to him for sure and you of course Phil
Thank a BUNCH!!🤓
holyshit your friend can rip!!!
@Caligula lol
Distortion doesn't help about what he is capable to do
That is some of the most efficient technique I have ever seen, holy crap
Strandberg seems superior in every way; fanned frets, weight, materials, pickup config, ergonomics, and the shape is more appealing . In terms of sound they are indeed different tastes. The strandberg does look like a puzzle piece lol but the vader looks like something out of the flintstones. Both great guitars.
The Kiesel can be customised with multiscale too.
Kiesel all the way! Strandberg is but ugly. It reminds of the old ZZ Top United States of America body guitar lol.
It's a basswood import guitar. The Kiesel is a USA built instrument with much better materials.
Thanks for covering Kiesel (Carvin). I've been a lifelong fan (35 years of playing guitar and bass) and have always found their stuff a killer value, especially for US made instruments.
nothing against the fancy $4000 Vaders and Strandbergs, they rock but Bang for your buck its hard to beat a base $1250 Vader,just great guitars!
@Chuckle Duck I was just gonna say, that your can get yourself a brand new .Strandberg* Boden 6 for around 1500 bucks.
The Strandberg sounds crisper, I like it! Gives you the option of rolling your treble knob back if you don't want that high end.
Kiesel has expander their pickup selection, also you can get non Kiesel branded pickups of your choice Strandberg doesnot compare even the neckthru version is sub par and i wanted it to not be so but holding both you will instantly know.
The Kiesel is definitely brighter.
I own a Strandberg Classic and it tends to be a bit boomy in the low mids, sometimes. But it's fine IMO since you can compensate with the presence knob of the amp
Both look really nice! Currently considering a Vader myself.
You should have Matt on more, he's a great guest! Not only is he a fantastic player, but he's pleasant to listen to. :D
Thanks so much man! Means Alot!!
Walk softly but carry killer licks, dude this guy is like a Shaolin guitar monk
I got a strandberg about 3 months ago and I have absolutely loved it I’d recommend it to anyone
I have two Vaders, an 8 string VM8 and the VB5. The guitar was a simple build where the bass was option 50 and loaded with custom options. I really love the vader and have played a Strandberg once before. If i get another it will most likely be another Vader due to the price. The Strandberg i am after is very specific in looks and hopefully in sound. It would probably cost me twice the amount a Vader would cost. Both are awesome guitars in the right hands.
Hi Phil, I'd love to see you get another Strandberg on the channel, thanks for making all the great videos!
Strandberg 6s are great, but this design really shines with 7 and 8 strings. Got a Prog 7 and Standard 8, both weigh around 2.3 kilos which is super light, especially for an 8. Both play incredible. Prog 7 has a small compact neck and it really feels like a small 6, Gibson or something, the 8 has a wider neck, but still super comfortable. All in all best guitars I’ve played
Great vid.. Matt is a fantastic player. wow.
Thanks a bunch man!!
Great job Matt, need to see more of you in the future.
I like both but went with the Strandberg for a few reasons. First was the pickups. The Suhr SSH+ and SSV pickups are amazing. It's the same setup, and switching system, that comes in the Suhr Modern Satin. Second was availability. The Strandberg is easy to find whereas the Kiesel can take awhile. The lighter weight was a factor too. My Strandberg Boden 6 weighs 4.5 lbs. In the gig bag and with a HX Stomp, guitar cable and pair of headphones, I end up with a total weight of under 12 lbs. I do like the Kiesel as well though.
Best part of owning a left handed strandberg prog is people asking, "What is that?" Hahahaha
One of the big differences is the tuning mechanism. I wish you would have talked more about that. The accuracy, the stability, the ease of use, etc. I have had a couple of headless guitars, and I have never been happy with the tuning approach. And it would be worth mentioning if the take standard strings or need double ball ends.
I have one of the new Kiesel Type X on order. I have never been more excited to get a new guitar. I have an original 1984 V220 so the body style is perfect nostalgia for me and being headless is intriguing. I haven't played a headless since the 80s era Steinberger.
That guitar looks so good.
I ordered an X as well. I'm old enough to have drooled over the V220 in the 1980s Carvin catalogs but have never gotten around to actually ordering one because I'm impatient.
I was 15 when I bought my V220. I saved up allowance an lunch money to buy it. It was my first good guitar. Yes the wait for the X is going to be a bitch. I'm sure it will be worth it.
I thought the Keisel sounded more articulate.
Your video really helped answer my questions - I bought the Standberg Boden... THANKS!
What a cool review and vibe from you. Also loved the playing. The guy can jazz but also shred
I actually own both. The best way to put it is that they are just totally different guitars, but both awesome. The vader that I have is also a "fan fret". When you get a brand new vader, the price is actually closer to $1900, when you add a few things like thinner neck and such. Again, both absolutely awesome and easy to play guitars.
Thanks for playing some clean tones!
I bought my Prog 6 and was just in love with it. The enduro neck and the weight was great. After about 6 months, I gravitated back to my PRS guitars. I still love the Strandberg, but its been pigeon holed to couch noodling and traveling.
I want to try a Standard but my biggest fear is that this will happen.
Kiesels have some of the most diverse sets of guitars in both performance and design. One of the more unique guitar brands out there. Awesome work!
This is a GREAT video for the headless-curious
Interesting to hear other people's opinions. I found the strandberg to feel like a toy when I tried one. My Vader on the other hand feels like a normal guitar minus the headstock. The strandbergs are great guitars though
Yes. Feels like a toy, but I could play it all day…
Old Uncle can shred better than many "legends".👌👍
Just for the record I like Phillip McKnight his experience and knowledge with music and his channel.
That...was impressive. Great insights Phil!
I considered a Kiesel, but went with the Strandberg "Standard". It was a "second" but I couldn't find the flaw. I bought it to be a "travel" guitar - pre-covid. It took me about 10 seconds to get used to the neck...
Excellent video!
That blue pearl Kiesel is just amazing!!!
2:58 McNights face is priceless! 😅 It's the 'holy cow, he's good/I'm glad I'm letting him demo this' face
I love the neck on the Strandberg. As a older player, the neck is soooooo comfortable.. I still own n play a les Paul, a tele, and other guitars. My hand still cramps up playin. Not on the Strandberg. I can play for hours !!!
With strandbergs new product line, they are doing neck through
his shredding took my by surprise, nice video!
Seeing the headless guitars remind me of Vito Bratta.
Awesome guitarist he is. always liked his solo style.
Insanely good player! Great video Phil.
Thanks so much man!!👍
where can i hear more of this? played on 2:33 - 2:53 . Can anyone recommend me something similar to this.
your friend is an absolutely fantastic player!
Holy Shinto Matt, fantastic playing!
I think you can also get the Kiesel with fanned fretting. Not exactly the same as Strandberg, but it is supposed to be varied scale length as well. I have the strandberg classic 6, and the Salen (tele style). I think the varied scale design gives a better bass tone to the lower strings. Both these models are less expensive than their other ones. Once I got used to the neck, it seemed very natural.
I like how Matt looks like a clarinet teacher who thinks KISS is short for "Knights In Satan's Service" but can actually burn through a fretboard like a total boss.
Haha😅👍 Thank you!!👍🤘
One of my local Guitar Centers actually has both a used Strand (6 string) and a used Vader (7 string). Would definitely get the Strand if I could but I've also played a 7 string Strand before and hated how the neck felt, if I had to get a headless 7 string it'd be the Vader
It actually sounded like he enjoyed playing on the Kiesel more... 😁
@8palms5fists Can be Sir... Can be 😊
I think the kiesel has higher output pickups, which makes it more forgiving to play.
could be that "new" feeling for him, playing a new guitar is always more fun
I think both guitars sound great so it may come down to which neck you prefer. The Kiesel may be the better one for the money.
How about the sound? Stranberg sounding much nicer from here
Absolutely love the endurneck on a 6 string. On a 7 string, it's just too damn chunky.
Meh, sand down and refinish.
Is it to the point where it negates the benefit? My plan was to get a 7 string if I ever get a strandberg.
@@edgyswordsmanmusic6769 I bought a Boden 7 recently and I completely take back my criticism. The 7 string endurneck feels great because Strandberg thinned down the profile a few years ago. Turns out the one I had tried had the thicker profile. Definitely buy one if you haven't already :)
Very cool! Great comparison guys
Bought a Strandberg Boden 7. Was already intellectually in love with it.
In reality it had horrendous neck dive. Changing strings was the worst experience I’ve ever had on any guitar. It soon developed fret chatter. And it developed poking fret edges. In other words it did not do well in a low humidity environment in which I live. Turned out to be the worst experience with any guitar I’ve ever had. I was so bummed!
I don’t believe my experience is typical. But if I ever take a 7 string plunge again it will be Kiesel. Probably a Zeus.
did you get it new or used? Was it the NX line or another one?
Oh man great tone on that kiesel
Matt is a monster player. He reminds me of some of my favorite instructors. Cool video. I like the Vader look better, but haven’t played either of those instruments.
Thanks man!!!😃👍
for a moment i thought he was Jody Fisher... :)
Totally solid for sure! Dang
I would love a Strandberg, but if I'm gonna get it I want it MIJ and fully decked out
Kiesel Vader is definitely the way to go! 🤘🏻
Finally someone playing a strandy who can actually play jazz harmony
Cool shredding
Fun time with the Brothers in Baldness!!
Checking in! 🤘🏻
What was the signal chain
I wonder why headless guitar makers can't make us a shorter scale headless, like a Les Paul scale 24.75" or PRS scale 24.5".
Since regular guitar strings are used now instead of double-ball end strings, It'd be a no-brainer. Us short stubby fingered players would like the option :)
why not but as a fooking little guy, let's admit it's our best choice i mean headless.
Force is with you to actually care bout the size of the guitar.
It seems 99,99% of small people does not give a pee about the size of guitar and picks Strat's or LP like everyone else.
Thing is regular sized electric guitar ( even worse with dreadnought acoustic of course but we have many options there, like little Jane by Furch, Little Martin etc...) doen't fits well with very small people, looks too big, even by a bit.
We don't have to bother ourself with " almost " okay sized guitar when we can have perfect fit.
Headless are the way to go in my opinion, or you get your money 'n time to get build a custom little one ( even with a little head like the cute Music Man's ones ).
check out B'nG little sisters ( parlor sized LP's) , Maybach little wings ( later available ) and Mayones Hydras for exemple.
For a clean sound I prefer the Strandberg (harmonically, sound color), the Kiesel for the distortion. But good guitar playing requires developing precise muscle memory, so I would hesitate to start with yet another neck shape and fanned frets. I decided for myself to stick strictly to one body and neck configuration (scale, radius, thickness). Otherwise you keep on adapting and learning until your next life.
Eddie Van Halen and David Gilmour played headless guitars at times so they must be good- no headstock to break if it falls. However, they both went back to more mainstream Strats, the guitar with the biggest sales for its style, sound and parts availability.
Okay I was wondering if any famous artists use those guitars of course they didn't use them for very long I don't think they have the class of a guitar that has a headstock and they're certainly not going to take the Music World by storm. It reminds me of that trike motorcycle where they took the front wheel off and they put it on the back and then they put the two back wheels on the front just to have something different but to me it looks dumb and there's actually more parts to go wrong with it on the front end. It didn't accomplish anything it doesn't prove nothing
The Kiesel sounds better to me. I used to think I was really good, til I saw Matt play. Back to the drawing board, I guess.
My issue with strandberg is the fact that they charge so much for an indonesian made guitar. They're taking a much bigger profit margin on these things than pretty much any guitar company out there, and the quality doesn't hold up. My friend bought a 2400 dollar strandberg and after a month the input jack fell out. Not worth the money and not a company I'd want to support.
What do you mean the input jack fell out?
Screws stripped? Nut spun off?
That’s not something that makes sense to complain about quality to me. It’s like saying I’ll never buy a chevy again because the wheel fell off...
At those price points i'd probably look for the real thing and would try to find a vintage Steinberger M-series.
Nowadays, basing quality control on the country origin doesn't make much sense anymore. I have a Strandberg made in Indonesia, and a couple PRSes from Korea and they beat my USA made Fenders and Gibsons quality wise.
I agree but a word of encouragement I just got a Koren Boden OS 7 used for $1200 on reverb if you're patient they can get had for around there. I agree if they were the only option maybe you bite the bullet on a new one but with kiesel ready to build you one to your specs for the same or less right here in the US (which is about economy for me at this point, not universal badge of quality- fender and gibson have ruined that) there's no reason to spend that much new. They're really banking on the endurneck being a customer's deciding factor, which to be honest is the only reason I've just purchased one. My job is hard as hell on my hands and I'm trying to invest in the long term sustainability of my job and my hobby.
@@imlacsina true. I had Gibson Les Paul American made and it was crap.
I want to play the guitar like Matt when I grow up.
That Vadar body reminds me a lot of my 91 Ibanez RBM-1 Voyager.
Suhr pickups on my Strandberg sound great. Nice lightweight guitar, I don't notice the neck at all most of the time - but I don't play 'correctly' with my thumb on the back of the neck. The wood and hardware on the Strandberg are really nice - I got the SSH $1495 model, well worth the price and a great intro to Strandberg if you've been hesitant to drop the big bucks on the high end ones. The thing I'm not into are the fanned frets - not noticeable at all over the lower 12 or even 17 but the higher you go on the neck the more the frets fall off. I do a lot of melody playing on the highest frets and when you are playing live standing up the fanned frets can be tricky and the visual of the fretboard with the frets and the dot placements is weird. I have a Vader as well with Seymour Duncan Jazz/JB and it's a great guitar. Although the Strandberg sounds great and is super light to carry around on subways, etc..... there have been gigs where I reached for the Vader instead coz I like the standard frets better. Wish they made a Strandberg with standard frets - I bet it would sound just as good as the fanned frets.
what set up are you using ?.. amb and staff.. btw great tones
They sound great but I personally could never get used to the looks of them. But that's just me of course.
Michael Brohl You don’t really notice the looks when playing it. Only when it’s hanging on the wall. It may not fit your image when gigging, but it’s not that noticeable otherwise.
@@immanuelbaptistchurch4327 you hang it upside down like a bat (the mouse with wings).
Well, both guitars are great. Is very easy to buy a Strandberg, each model have a unique price but Kiesel is different, the page is a little confuse; the are 3 different prices, they never show the basic model, however, you see a price posted in a beautiful guitar, but, these is not the real price, when you try to construct the same guitar in the show page, the case is that the price is very high compared with the one show in the presentation sale page. Also , Strandberg is different in shape while Kiesel is very similar to a regular guitars with headstock.
Both guitars sound GREAT! Matt can rock 'em like he should.
I thought the Fusion was more at ease with that clean jazzy "fusion" sound (Guess what!!!) And the Vader was definitely on its ground with gain. But then again, it's probably just a matter of settings!!
LOVE that kind of comparison / collab thing! You should do it again.
@@Prajnana aaahhhh... Maybe, but those lithium can sound great clean too. It's just a matter of tweaking the amp right
Whats the finish on that Kiesel, satin clear or gloss????
Kiesel had more clarity for me.
pretty sure the tone knob was rolled off on the strandberg
@@natfingerboard there's that too
What a monster player!!!!!
Thanks a bunch man!!👍
Great player, just one thing struck me, I think my boy is really used to the fan frets, notice how his fretting is not as clean on the lower strings of the Kiesel?
You can tell by just looking at each who owns what guitar.
strandberg for cleans, kiesel for distortion
Phil, I'm retiring in two weeks and decided to buy myself a present. My budget is about $2500, so would you recommend a custom Kiesel guitar or a PRS?
Hi RG Pops, you can actually get a quick response from Phil if you join his Reachable community here: home.reachableapp.com/?Name=phil%20mcknight
i have both sitting in front of me, both are amazing but i think 2500 will get you more guitar with Kiesel and you get to customize the guitar head to toe.
Both look like great guitars. I'm super interested in knowing if that little cutout on the Strandberg's lower bout makes it more comfortable to hold the guitar in the classical position. Thoughts?
Also, I love that top two reasons you picked the Kiesel were:
1. The neck
2. Also the neck
I believe that is exactly the reason for that cutout.
Kevin von Heymann-Horan That's what I've heard, but - is it actually comfortable? Is there a lip edge that I can't see that would make it not great for long periods of time, or is it ideal? I mean, core PRS guitars look like they'd be comfy, but that edge where my forearm goes disagrees - I have an S2 precisely because it doesn't have that kind of bevel. I don't know that the Strandberg has one of those or not, but it's tough to see from photos (and I've never actually had the opportunity to hold one in my hands to feel for myself).
I feel like the biggest detractor for headless guitars for me is the tuners being on the bridge. I hate playing guitars with locking trems because you tune with the fine tuners and I think it would feel similar
Yes,they do feel the same
What a master player!
The only really important benefit to the Strandberg for me would be the EndurNeck, but I have doubts about how big of a difference it would really make.
That endurneck looks super appealing to me. Seems like something I can get behind for sure. Anyone here own one that’s not a fan?
I wonder why the guys always use such annoying distortion sounds? Above all, when such a beauty as the Strandberg is presented.
Man...that guy can PLAY!
a vader specced out like that strandberg with the chambered body, flamed maple top, multiscale, some other kind of neck etc. is like the same price
That’s shredding straight up
I think the Kiesel sounds better with the dirt on.
I like them feeling weighty, being that small, if they were too light it would feel like a toy, not a professional instrument.
Probably a better comparison price wise would have been with a Boden Standard
I was going to mention that.. But you already did.
You're absolutely right!
@@MarcoBercx i am actually considering a boden standard 7 strings soonish for myself :)
@@armax00 Great. When things turn out right, I can purchase a Boden Original 6 early next year 🙌. Can't wait!
That S berg is killer I have a kiesel Zeus love it but I’m gonna buy a s berg next
I'm not a fan that the strandberg pickups dont slant with the fan.
Matt is a beast.