I have just given up on my Nikon D4 well in for a service. Moved to the Z9 and used it for a wedding after a few hours of getting used to it. I then decided yo use UA-cam to get into customising setting. After lots of checks where people do more talking than actual step by step options i found your videos. What a difference i still need to get more into details re final changes but i am (thanks to the clarity and logic of you presentations) am well on my way. I’m now of course subscribed. Thank you so much from the UK
Thanks Tom. Very complete. I believe my new Z8 menu Banks work the same way. Start simple. Go into Nikon Bank A and configure it for your general photography by adjusting items from both the Shooting Bank and the Custom Bank. They are automatically consolidated and copied into your personal Bank A. Name the Bank. Try it out for your general photography. I also needed a bank to shoot BIF. Copy your finished personal Bank A into Nikon Bank B and adjust critical items to make it your new personal BIF Bank. I presently only use 2 Banks on my Z8 because I use it only with the 800mm lens and a Z7 with other lenses for other purposes. You can build and have up to 4 personal Banks by repeating the above and easily switch between them in your i-menu.
Yes the Z8 banks work exactly the same. I’ve been setting mine up to mirror my Z9. Loving the ergonomics of the Z8. Only concern with it is battery life. When I shoot my aerial projects I typically return with about 1600 images and 1/2 to 3/4 battery life on my Z9. Not sure what I’ll get with the Z8 but I bought two extra batteries just in case. The Z8 is intended to fulfill backup duties but may shoot it as a primary body to see how she performs. Perhaps a video will follow. Thanks for watching!
yours is the easiest to understand tutorial on bank settings that I've come across in UA-cam. The unhurried speed at which you talk is best for me as some UA-camrs speak way too fast and to make it even more difficult they blast some angry young man music. Anyhow, thanks for helping me set up my shooting banks and this will enable me to switch between different types of photography without forgetting a setting. . Ted in Sebastian, Fl. I subscribed to your channel
Thanks for this. I just received my Z8, and coming from the Z7 world the menu banks were completely new to me so this gives me a good overview of their function and organization. I am contemplating what the best uses might be, I don't shoot a lot of wildlife or things that move, but I do hand held, tripod mounted day, tripod mounted night, and intentional monochrome composition landscapes and am thinking those might be my categories though perhaps monochrome is redundant and could be replaced by things that move. Anyway, its all new and all helpful, thanks again!
I’m glad the video was helpful. Those categories you came up with sound just fine. They just need to make sense for your shooting style. You could also just set up two, maybe handheld and tripod, and just pay attention to settings you’re changing often and perhaps that may warrant a new bank. Utilizing the i-menu and My Menu can make things like Starlight Mode & Warm Display Colors easy to access. If you do shoot a lot of night photography however then I can definitely see how having it as a separate bank would be helpful. Enjoy your Z8, it is an excellent camera! Thanks for watching!
Sorry I lost you! I'll see if I can slow it down a bit. Where exactly did you get lost? During the discussion of the Photo Shooting banks or Custom Menu banks? Thanks for watching!
Great video, Tom. You've helped me out a lot, particularly regarding saving settings to the card. I'm sure I'll need a spare card dedicated for my Menu Banks as I'll probably occassionaly format my in camera card and wipe the settings so a backup card will be a necessity
Thanks Dan! Yes I'm using a spare as well. I was restoring my settings from my shooting card, then formatting, then saving back to the card....became a hassle. Maybe the next version of the camera will have internal memory to save the settings to. 🤞🏻 Thanks for watching!
Hi Susan, the settings automatically "stick" to the bank when you change them. That's why it is a good idea to save your "menu settings" (bottom of the Setup Menu) once you get your banks all set up. This allows you to reload them when you want to go back to your original settings. There's definitely room for improvement with this design... Thanks for watching and I hope this helps!
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure why Nikon decided to divide settings up between two menus. As my video shows, my banks are labeled identically for both the photo shooting and custom settings menus. This has worked well for me over the years (I did the same on my D850, D800 and D500). I think initially, Nikon thought you could set it up so that you could mix the different menu banks (For example, Photo Shooting Bank A with Custom Settings Bank B) and it would offer more flexibility. I've found though that for my shooting style that doesn't work very well and I prefer to have dedicated banks for my different shooting situations (fast action, tripod, handheld, aerial). I hope this helps.
I wish it would not remember the changes but goes back to the original/previous settings when I return and not need to save to and load from my memory card. Hope a future update gives me the possibility to set them back automatically after changing. Just like the U1-U3 buttons on the Z6.
Great video. Once you copy your common settings to each bank and then go into each bank to add settings for that particular bank, do you need to click save somewhere so everything added is saved? Also, what if you want to change a common setting for just one bank? As an example, auto focus continuous auto focus?
So once you have your banks set up exactly like you want them, you should save to a memory card. Goto SETUP MENU--> Save/load menu settings. When shooting and you make changes to the camera those changes will remain in that bank until you re-load your original settings. Here's an example for your second question: Let's say your initial setup in Bank A was AF-C and your Banks are backed up to a memory card. You're out shooting birds using Bank A and the autofocus isn't working for your subject (perhaps the bird is behind some branches), so you switch to Manual Focus. If you then go to another Bank and then back to Bank A, MF will still be active. Only until you re-load your Banks will your original settings (AF-C in this case) be restored. Of course you could just go back to AF-C while in Bank A and it's back to normal. I find that now that my banks are pretty close to perfect for me, I don't restore as often. I just make a small adjustment and then change it back. I hope this answered your questions and made sense. I haven't had any coffee yet this morning so my brain is firing on a few less cylinders. :) Thanks for watching!
@@TomReplogle it makes perfect sense now that I’ve had a few days to work with all 3 banks on my Z8. It took a couple of days to sink in with coffee required. 😊 Thank you so much for taking the time to reply - especially in such detail. Much appreciated!!
Unless I missed it, what do the "Extended Menu Banks" do and how do you program them? Apparently they are associated with the main Menu Banks, but I'm not sure how them work as there is only a "Yes"/"No" option.
Here's the info from the manual: Select [ON] to include exposure settings in the information recorded in each of the four shooting menu banks Changes to exposure settings will be stored in the bank currently selected for [Shooting menu bank]. The settings stored in the bank will be recalled the next time the bank is selected. The additional settings stored in extended banks for use in photo mode are: shooting mode, shutter speed (modes S and M only), aperture (modes A and M only), and flash mode. The additional settings stored in extended banks for use in video mode are: shooting mode, shutter speed (mode M only), and aperture (modes A and M only). Selecting [OFF] restores the shooting and flash modes, shutter speed, and aperture in effect before [ON] was selected. Exposure settings can also be edited via the [Extended menu banks] item in the video recording menu. Changes made in the photo shooting menu apply in the video recording menu and vice versa.
One of the least utilized features on most Nikon cameras - and talked about. Glad you approached this subject and happy to add to the UA-cam algorithm. A couple of quick items: I think a link to the lists you brought up (example: Shared Setting between the banks) would have been nice in a description below or via a link for people. Since Photo Shooting and Video banks are shared (not sure why Nikon does this) - co-labeling them with typical video modes used for that type of photography makes some sense. Hopefully, your shorter version of Hudson Henry's Videos will find some traction. One thing I will add: Even Hudson realized that deleting photos off the card over time will disrupt the "card catalog" and make it more likely to experience card corruption and failure. I believe, but could be wrong, that he took advice from several in the community to change the method - to one more cumbersome, most of the time. (i.e. off loading photos from the card to the computer, reloading the settings back onto the camera, then formatting the memory card, and then reloading the settings back onto the card). Yes, you're right, having internal memory would have been much smarter for a camera flagship of this nature. As cumbersome as the process is (to format) once you get use to it, it's no big deal - just like opening the memory card door. I realize this is preference, but I'm curious why you choose to put your Picture profile in "standard" since that allows the camera to process the image the way it sees fit to make it look good (not just for JPG, but for image review on the LCD or EVF) compared to Neutral - probably most accurate for stills or "Flat" most accurate for video color grading? I also still find it a bit interesting that we compress our files (HE*) throwing away data, but expand the color space (Adobe RGB vs. sRGB) ;-). Thanks, by the way, for the "disco" hustle music as I was a hustle dance champion for years.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the awesome comment! That is a great idea about adding those lists or putting a link in the description (gonna work on that after I finish typing this out). :) I didn't realize deleting off the card could cause some issues. That's good to know. I'll have to look into that and perhaps change my ways. Did HH discuss that in one of his videos? I must've missed it. As far as picture profiles, I agree that neutral is the most accurate, or true to the scene. In post, that is typically where I start...and then I edit. I found that the standard picture profile gave me a histogram on the back of the camera that was closer to what my final image would look like as opposed to neutral. That's the logic behind that choice anyway....may not work for everyone. So, when I first received my Z9, I tested out the different file formats and I couldn't tell much difference, if any, between the HE* and the Uncompressed (besides file size). There was definitely some difference with the HE files. Although I noticed no difference, I'm using Uncompressed for my Landscape/Tripod bank and will switch to it for client work if using any of the other banks, but for everything else HE* looks great and I like the file sizes. Also, regardless of file type (even a compressed one), Adobe looks quite a bit better than sRGB and is very important for my printing workflow, which is the main goal of any photo I take. If you don't have a monitor that supports a wider color space and/or don't print, then sRGB is fine. ...in my opinion. Hopefully this all made sense...sorry if there are typos that I didn't catch....on my first cup of java.... Thanks again for watching! Let me know if there are any topics you'd like to see covered on the channel.
@@TomReplogle Will do Tom (and I'm sure I'll think of a topic - see last portion of the comment) ;-). Appreciate the response. So lets start with first things first. 1. I never like the idea of repeated deleting files = which eventually can lead to card catalog corruption and card failure. Will it happen? I don't know, but I don't want it to. I never adopted that method Hudson promoted, but in a video just after he put the banks videos on line, he did change it and stated exactly the reason I just mentioned. If I could find it quickly I'd link it here, but perhaps in the future I'll tag it to your video. 2. Standard vs. Neutral - no issue. To be honest, I haven't tried to varify for myself each profile and how they represent the histogram/and true exposure, but Chris Ogden (Nikon Canada) wrote a nice piece on the Nikon website about this and posted with examples. 3. LLC vs. HE* - I am finding with HE* my files have too much noise at low ISO for my liking. Thom Hogan said (as of a about a week ago) this is because intoPIX and Adobe are not sharing information. What program are you using to open your raw files? 4. sRGB vs. Adobe RGB - agree. Now I've just been shooting for about 4 years (mostly wildlife/action (dance) sports, but I do like portraiture and landscape as well. Just always like getting other peoples thoughts - because that's how I learn. I have to think it out. TO THAT END: For me (and I realize I'm not the UA-cam community, hearing why you made the choices you did (i.e. for color space etc.) would be interesting for a separate video because many people starting out have no idea and just copy. One last rabbit hole: The Z9's AF system clearly has issues as demonstrated in the Facebook Z9 "Pro" group. (I'm an armature, but there are plenty of pros there). I do believe, but could be wrong, that a demonstration on the difference between Wide Area (anything - small, large, custom) and 3D for many would be helpful (with subject detection enabled). i.e. Wide area grabs the closest person/animal whereas 3D theoretically should follow the selected subject all over (just about) the sensor frame regardless of distance of subjects. If you are up to tackling it, demonstrating the problem with the OSPDAF system would be a benefit to many picking up this camera for the first time, because it will happen to them (There are already a half dozen UA-cam videos showing frustration with this - but they don't understand or explain why it is happening). i.e. 3D is not really ready for prime time - although it works well in some circumstances. The problem of "jumping to the background" and not recovering focus is a major issue. Video posted a few days ago now by FB Pro Z9 administrator demonstrated the difficulty with any mode sticking with a gymnast with predicable results. My hope is in firmware Nikon can improve some of these issues, but it's going to likely take a different duel or quad pixel phase detect type array to solve it. I feel like sharing and teaching people why this is happening will lower the frustration level and help people better work around it. Sad that the new Canon R7 and R10 will both have the best Canon AF system of the R3 (R 10 under 1000 dollars) and it's more accurate and sticky than the system in the Z9. (Call to Nikon - Firmware update 2.5?).
@@dance2jam thanks for the topic recommendations! I’ve added those to my topic list. 1. Please do tag the video when you find it. I’ve done some searching myself and can’t find any reference on file corruption by using erase instead of format but will keep looking. For now I won’t chance it, but I’m curious why Nikon keeps that option if it’s a potential issue…..I use 3. Adobe LR and PS for editing. As far as autofocus, I’ve been pretty happy with the hit rate in 3D, perhaps it’s my perspective coming from film and manual lenses. It can definitely focus faster than I ever could. ;) I’ll look into putting a video together on the other autofocus modes…it would force me to dive deeper into them. Thanks again!
@@TomReplogle And I'll look for the HH video (which only mentioned as an aside, in the beginning, something like "several people have brought to my attention the problem with deleting files compared to formatting the card" = again, it may be more theoretical, but as you said, I don't want it to happen. Thanks for your kind and thoughtful responses. Much appreciated. I'll try and tag you back when I find it.
Re Formatting the memory card. When ready to format, first load settings, then format, then save setting. No problem and you will not lose your setting but you still can do a good job of caring for your cards 😊
Release Mode doesn't change between banks. You could set up a button for "Recall shooting function (hold)" to make a switch like that. Check my videos as I have a video on how to set that up. Thanks for watching!
Can I make menu bank A for photo settings and then B for 4k24 then C for 4k60 then D for 4k120? I want to shoot aperture priority in bank A but manual video in BCD.. can’t figure it out
Yep, you should be able to do that. Goto bank A in Photo Shooting Menu -> change to Aperture Priority. Then goto bank B, change mode to Manual and then goto your Video Recording Menu and set your resolution and frame rate as you'd like. Rinse and repeat for the two other banks (C & D). Once finished go back through and see if it works as you like. Don't have my camera with me right not but I think that's all you need to do.
I agree with @dance2jam, I'm saving them in my second card (old XQD as I haven't yet come to the limit of my 325 CFE and the XQD is set to "Overflow") plus in my PC just in case... I think that the HE* it is useful only if you need long burst of 20fps... I'm a "trigger happy" but as I said I haven't hit the 3600 limit of my ProGrade in a day with the "Lossless Comp"... 😁
Hey Terry, thanks for watching! That is definitely a solution if you're not using the second card for backing up. I may just use one of my old cards to store the settings to, label it as such, and just carry it in my bag. Saving it to your computer is smart. Yeah, I shoot uncompressed for all my landscapes but truthfully I didn't see any difference between uncompressed and HE* when pixel peeping or printing. Perhaps I'll revisit and do some more testing. If you have any suggestions for future topics please let me know! Have a great weekend!
@@TomReplogle thanks for the chance, yes I would like if you have a time to check the "Interval timer shooting" as when I try for a star trails and settings of 400-500 frames of shutter speed 30 seconds f2. 8 iso 3200 each, the main point is the 30 seconds exposure, when I'm trying it I HAVE to a set in the "ITS" the number of shots with the the interval of 34 seconds meaning a minimum time gap of 4 seconds... Any smaller interval and I'm loosing frames of 10-12 frames per shot, sometimes more... I have asked couple of Nikon representatives without real answer... I'm not the only one to wonder about it...
@@TerryKontopoulosI would check to see if there is any additional processing being done by the camera, such as noise reduction, etc… it could also be the write speed of your card.
@@TomReplogle no my friend the card is ProGrade 325 no noise reduction full manual etc. The same problem with D850, I'm not the only one, I know two more people which they have tried to find solution from Nikon before I jumped from Canon but they resigned and now using just a remote control, I do the same now... I asked just in case you have faced the problem and contacted Nikon... No worries I don't believe it is any solution as Nikon have dismissed the questions which I heard people have asked long long time now... Take care 😉
@@TerryKontopoulos I figured you had all that stuff turned off but just wanted to check. I use a tethered release so haven’t ran into that issue. I’ll try to replicate on my next trip and see what I find. Is it missing shots immediately or after a period of time?
So with 8 possible banks, why have/name the Photo Shooting menu and Custom Settings menu the same? Would love to know your general settings for the 4 main ones you mentioned. Not clear to me over time how you avoid changing the settings for the banks for changes while using them are saved? Saving them each time is cumbersome but I guess its a good way to get back to where you were at the start of the day. Thanks for this video.
Thanks for watching! I name the Shooting and Custom Settings banks the same name because I have certain settings I'd like to have set for the type of photography I'm doing, and unfortunately some reside in the Photo Shooting menu and others in the Custom Settings Menu. It would be nice if there was just one set of banks that included all of the different settings but Nikon decided to split them up for some reason. I'm currently working on a video that discusses some of my settings I've been using....stay tuned. -Tom
I followed your tutorial on the SHOOTING MENU BANK and it was great, but I still don't understand the use of the CUSTOM SETTINGS BANK and why I need to use it. Does it need to have the same settings as the SHOOTING MENU BANK ? Nikon manual is not clear explaining this
The Custom Settings and Photo Shooting Menus have completely different settings. Depending on what you shoot, you may only need to customize just one bank on the Custom Settings. I tend to have different (although minor) differences between by Custom Settings Banks. For example, I have 4 named Photo Shooting banks: A Handheld, B Tripod, C Fast Action, and D Aerials. My Custom Settings banks are identically named. When I switch from shooting landscapes to aerials, I change both the Photo Shooting and Custom Settings to the Aerials Bank. My Aerials Bank under Custom Settings has a significantly different button layout than the other banks due to the nature of taking photos in small aircraft. I have many of the buttons disabled so I don’t accidentally change a setting when flying. I hope that makes sense. I’m typing this pre-coffee so it may be complete gibberish. Thanks for watching!
Depends on the sport. What sports do you want covered? I’ve had a bunch of questions about autofocus and settings so I’m going to try to put together a video on the topic.
Custom banks is essentially settings that affect camera usage, such as autofocus settings, function buttons assignments, etc. The photo shooting menu has settings that affect the photo itself or the technique used to get that photo. I hope that helps.
How do you know which items will only apply to the selected bank and which items will apply to all banks? seems like you have to check every single change to see if it also change the other menu banks?
@@TomReplogle Thanks for taking the time to reply. One further question as I have ordered the camera. If you have a moment to answer of course. If you setup one of the banks for wildlife it seems it cannot have burst mode applied to the bank which seems kind of crazy. Example you are out shooting a landscape and you are in menu bank A all set for landscape. Then suddenly an Osprey appears so you switch to the wildlife mode in an instant but you still have to go messing to set the burst mode ! Seems madness the burst mode cannot be applied to a menu bank you that you have carefully set up for wildlife. Or am I missing something?
Sure no problem at all. Unfortunately you are correct, the burst mode stays the same between banks. I bet there will be a firmware update in the future for the Z8. The Z9 has a physical dial next to the left of the viewfinder to allow switching between burst modes…the Z8 does not. For your scenario shooting landscapes and then switching to shoot wildlife I program my f1 button to Recall Shooting Functions (hold) to quick switch back and forth. This will also change your burst settings as well. I have a video about setting it up. Thanks for watching and feel free to ask questions anytime.
@@TomReplogle Thanks again. The Z8 does have the drive selector just not a turning one like the z9. It is however directly selectable to press and then turn the back dial. But could take some valuable seconds of a moment. Thanks again for responding.
@@markr3926 yeah, I think that’s why it was overlooked. With a dedicated knob to select you could have a situation where the knob was set to single shot and the software was set to a burst mode. That could get confusing with the Z9. Since the Z8 doesn’t have that…you could make it bank specific. Hope that makes sense.
Yes you can. Goto Custom Settings Menu and select "f Controls" then "f2 Custom controls (shooting)". Select the function button you'd like to assign (ex Fn3). Go to the "Press + command dials" section to select "Shooting Menu Bank". Now when you hold Fn3 and use the back dial you can switch between your shooting banks.
I need help with my Z8. When I shoot in the studio I need Custom Setting d8 to be set to “Adjust for ease of viewing.” I have all of my studio settings set to Shooting Bank A. When I go out of the studio, I use Shooting Bank B, and I need Custom Setting d8 to be set to “Show effects of settings.” How can I make Custom Setting d8 change when I change my Shooting Banks?
Hi Kevin, unfortunately the custom settings bank won’t automatically change when you switch Photo Shooting Banks. You need to change both the Photo Shooting Bank AND the Custom Settings Bank. It would be nice if you could link them but you can’t. I have them setup in my i-menu so it’s quick and easy.
So you have no way of deciding when to Save your settings to a bank? The camera "auto-saves" your changes to the selected bank all the time? Horrible. In that respect this is not better then U1,U2, etc in the other Z cameras.
Yes. That is correct. It would probably be better if it would revert back to originally saved settings once the camera is powered off. Fuji does that and it works pretty well for most use cases however at times it can be a pain too. There’s really not a perfect solution that will work for everyone all of the time. Thanks for watching.
Unfortunately on the D850/Z8 and Z9 all settings are "auto update" anytime you change anything until you very laboriously "load resets" from your card...which you did not format, ever. Z7ii is far, far better with it's U1, U2, and U3 which truly "save" like every other thing in the digital world. Saved until you intentionally change it. Makes this feature nearly worthless on Z8 and 9. Far more trouble than it's worth and has led to unintentional mis-set disasters. It shot JPEG's because I switched to a bank that had default JPEG in "shooting bank." Dumb system. Avoid it.
I have just given up on my Nikon D4 well in for a service. Moved to the Z9 and used it for a wedding after a few hours of getting used to it. I then decided yo use UA-cam to get into customising setting. After lots of checks where people do more talking than actual step by step options i found your videos. What a difference i still need to get more into details re final changes but i am (thanks to the clarity and logic of you presentations) am well on my way. I’m now of course subscribed. Thank you so much from the UK
Thank you for your kind words! I’m glad the videos helped! Merry Christmas!
Thanks Tom. Very complete. I believe my new Z8 menu Banks work the same way. Start simple. Go into Nikon Bank A and configure it for your general photography by adjusting items from both the Shooting Bank and the Custom Bank. They are automatically consolidated and copied into your personal Bank A. Name the Bank. Try it out for your general photography. I also needed a bank to shoot BIF. Copy your finished personal Bank A into Nikon Bank B and adjust critical items to make it your new personal BIF Bank. I presently only use 2 Banks on my Z8 because I use it only with the 800mm lens and a Z7 with other lenses for other purposes. You can build and have up to 4 personal Banks by repeating the above and easily switch between them in your i-menu.
Yes the Z8 banks work exactly the same. I’ve been setting mine up to mirror my Z9. Loving the ergonomics of the Z8. Only concern with it is battery life. When I shoot my aerial projects I typically return with about 1600 images and 1/2 to 3/4 battery life on my Z9. Not sure what I’ll get with the Z8 but I bought two extra batteries just in case. The Z8 is intended to fulfill backup duties but may shoot it as a primary body to see how she performs. Perhaps a video will follow. Thanks for watching!
Great video Tom, so well done. Finally am able to setup my Z8 menu banks. Thanks!!!!
Awesome! So glad it helped!
yours is the easiest to understand tutorial on bank settings that I've come across in UA-cam. The unhurried speed at which you talk is best for me as some UA-camrs speak way too fast and to make it even more difficult they blast some angry young man music. Anyhow, thanks for helping me set up my shooting banks and this will enable me to switch between different types of photography without forgetting a setting. . Ted in Sebastian, Fl. I subscribed to your channel
Thank you so much! You made my night!
Your guide for this is really awesome Tom. Looks simple and easy to follow
Thanks! Glad it helped!
Thanks for this. I just received my Z8, and coming from the Z7 world the menu banks were completely new to me so this gives me a good overview of their function and organization. I am contemplating what the best uses might be, I don't shoot a lot of wildlife or things that move, but I do hand held, tripod mounted day, tripod mounted night, and intentional monochrome composition landscapes and am thinking those might be my categories though perhaps monochrome is redundant and could be replaced by things that move. Anyway, its all new and all helpful, thanks again!
I’m glad the video was helpful. Those categories you came up with sound just fine. They just need to make sense for your shooting style. You could also just set up two, maybe handheld and tripod, and just pay attention to settings you’re changing often and perhaps that may warrant a new bank. Utilizing the i-menu and My Menu can make things like Starlight Mode & Warm Display Colors easy to access. If you do shoot a lot of night photography however then I can definitely see how having it as a separate bank would be helpful. Enjoy your Z8, it is an excellent camera! Thanks for watching!
Well, as a newbie on the z9, you lost me when you sped it up. Any chance on seeing it slower? Any other place where I can see it normal speed?
Sorry I lost you! I'll see if I can slow it down a bit. Where exactly did you get lost? During the discussion of the Photo Shooting banks or Custom Menu banks? Thanks for watching!
Great video, Tom. You've helped me out a lot, particularly regarding saving settings to the card. I'm sure I'll need a spare card dedicated for my Menu Banks as I'll probably occassionaly format my in camera card and wipe the settings so a backup card will be a necessity
Thanks Dan! Yes I'm using a spare as well. I was restoring my settings from my shooting card, then formatting, then saving back to the card....became a hassle. Maybe the next version of the camera will have internal memory to save the settings to. 🤞🏻 Thanks for watching!
I lose you after you set desired settings. What steps to "stick" them to your chosen bank? Thanks so much.
Hi Susan, the settings automatically "stick" to the bank when you change them. That's why it is a good idea to save your "menu settings" (bottom of the Setup Menu) once you get your banks all set up. This allows you to reload them when you want to go back to your original settings. There's definitely room for improvement with this design... Thanks for watching and I hope this helps!
Thank you for your video! It helped clear up the shooting bank setup on my Z9.
Awesome, I'm glad video could help! Thanks for watching!
Great video - I appreciate the time you took to help others.
Thanks! I hope it helped! New video by the end of this week. Stay tuned!
Awesome. Really needed this. Thanks!
I'm glad it helped! Thanks for watching!!
Nice video, thank you. My question: which are the difference betwen the 2 custom menus, photo and customize?
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure why Nikon decided to divide settings up between two menus. As my video shows, my banks are labeled identically for both the photo shooting and custom settings menus. This has worked well for me over the years (I did the same on my D850, D800 and D500). I think initially, Nikon thought you could set it up so that you could mix the different menu banks (For example, Photo Shooting Bank A with Custom Settings Bank B) and it would offer more flexibility. I've found though that for my shooting style that doesn't work very well and I prefer to have dedicated banks for my different shooting situations (fast action, tripod, handheld, aerial). I hope this helps.
Thanks. Easy to understand.
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
I wish it would not remember the changes but goes back to the original/previous settings when I return and not need to save to and load from my memory card. Hope a future update gives me the possibility to set them back automatically after changing. Just like the U1-U3 buttons on the Z6.
That would be ideal!
Great video. Once you copy your common settings to each bank and then go into each bank to add settings for that particular bank, do you need to click save somewhere so everything added is saved? Also, what if you want to change a common setting for just one bank? As an example, auto focus continuous auto focus?
So once you have your banks set up exactly like you want them, you should save to a memory card. Goto SETUP MENU--> Save/load menu settings. When shooting and you make changes to the camera those changes will remain in that bank until you re-load your original settings. Here's an example for your second question:
Let's say your initial setup in Bank A was AF-C and your Banks are backed up to a memory card. You're out shooting birds using Bank A and the autofocus isn't working for your subject (perhaps the bird is behind some branches), so you switch to Manual Focus. If you then go to another Bank and then back to Bank A, MF will still be active. Only until you re-load your Banks will your original settings (AF-C in this case) be restored. Of course you could just go back to AF-C while in Bank A and it's back to normal.
I find that now that my banks are pretty close to perfect for me, I don't restore as often. I just make a small adjustment and then change it back.
I hope this answered your questions and made sense. I haven't had any coffee yet this morning so my brain is firing on a few less cylinders. :) Thanks for watching!
@@TomReplogle it makes perfect sense now that I’ve had a few days to work with all 3 banks on my Z8. It took a couple of days to sink in with coffee required. 😊 Thank you so much for taking the time to reply - especially in such detail. Much appreciated!!
Thanks! Helpful and I’ll try it out.
Glad it’s helpful! Thanks for watching!
tom wot settings do you use for bank b,c,and d please.ps great videos this is hell of a learning curve having come from canon 1dx
Hi Alan! Yes it’s definitely quite a learning curve. I’m working on video(s) covering each bank. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
thanks Tom for the reply,look forward to ur next videos, keep them coming!
Unless I missed it, what do the "Extended Menu Banks" do and how do you program them? Apparently they are associated with the main Menu Banks, but I'm not sure how them work as there is only a "Yes"/"No" option.
Here's the info from the manual:
Select [ON] to include exposure settings in the information recorded in each of the four shooting menu banks
Changes to exposure settings will be stored in the bank currently selected for [Shooting menu bank]. The settings stored in the bank will be recalled the next time the bank is selected.
The additional settings stored in extended banks for use in photo mode are:
shooting mode,
shutter speed (modes S and M only),
aperture (modes A and M only), and
flash mode.
The additional settings stored in extended banks for use in video mode are:
shooting mode,
shutter speed (mode M only), and
aperture (modes A and M only).
Selecting [OFF] restores the shooting and flash modes, shutter speed, and aperture in effect before [ON] was selected.
Exposure settings can also be edited via the [Extended menu banks] item in the video recording menu. Changes made in the photo shooting menu apply in the video recording menu and vice versa.
One of the least utilized features on most Nikon cameras - and talked about. Glad you approached this subject and happy to add to the UA-cam algorithm. A couple of quick items: I think a link to the lists you brought up (example: Shared Setting between the banks) would have been nice in a description below or via a link for people. Since Photo Shooting and Video banks are shared (not sure why Nikon does this) - co-labeling them with typical video modes used for that type of photography makes some sense. Hopefully, your shorter version of Hudson Henry's Videos will find some traction. One thing I will add: Even Hudson realized that deleting photos off the card over time will disrupt the "card catalog" and make it more likely to experience card corruption and failure. I believe, but could be wrong, that he took advice from several in the community to change the method - to one more cumbersome, most of the time. (i.e. off loading photos from the card to the computer, reloading the settings back onto the camera, then formatting the memory card, and then reloading the settings back onto the card). Yes, you're right, having internal memory would have been much smarter for a camera flagship of this nature. As cumbersome as the process is (to format) once you get use to it, it's no big deal - just like opening the memory card door. I realize this is preference, but I'm curious why you choose to put your Picture profile in "standard" since that allows the camera to process the image the way it sees fit to make it look good (not just for JPG, but for image review on the LCD or EVF) compared to Neutral - probably most accurate for stills or "Flat" most accurate for video color grading? I also still find it a bit interesting that we compress our files (HE*) throwing away data, but expand the color space (Adobe RGB vs. sRGB) ;-). Thanks, by the way, for the "disco" hustle music as I was a hustle dance champion for years.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the awesome comment! That is a great idea about adding those lists or putting a link in the description (gonna work on that after I finish typing this out). :)
I didn't realize deleting off the card could cause some issues. That's good to know. I'll have to look into that and perhaps change my ways. Did HH discuss that in one of his videos? I must've missed it.
As far as picture profiles, I agree that neutral is the most accurate, or true to the scene. In post, that is typically where I start...and then I edit. I found that the standard picture profile gave me a histogram on the back of the camera that was closer to what my final image would look like as opposed to neutral. That's the logic behind that choice anyway....may not work for everyone.
So, when I first received my Z9, I tested out the different file formats and I couldn't tell much difference, if any, between the HE* and the Uncompressed (besides file size). There was definitely some difference with the HE files. Although I noticed no difference, I'm using Uncompressed for my Landscape/Tripod bank and will switch to it for client work if using any of the other banks, but for everything else HE* looks great and I like the file sizes.
Also, regardless of file type (even a compressed one), Adobe looks quite a bit better than sRGB and is very important for my printing workflow, which is the main goal of any photo I take. If you don't have a monitor that supports a wider color space and/or don't print, then sRGB is fine. ...in my opinion.
Hopefully this all made sense...sorry if there are typos that I didn't catch....on my first cup of java....
Thanks again for watching!
Let me know if there are any topics you'd like to see covered on the channel.
@@TomReplogle Will do Tom (and I'm sure I'll think of a topic - see last portion of the comment) ;-). Appreciate the response. So lets start with first things first. 1. I never like the idea of repeated deleting files = which eventually can lead to card catalog corruption and card failure. Will it happen? I don't know, but I don't want it to. I never adopted that method Hudson promoted, but in a video just after he put the banks videos on line, he did change it and stated exactly the reason I just mentioned. If I could find it quickly I'd link it here, but perhaps in the future I'll tag it to your video. 2. Standard vs. Neutral - no issue. To be honest, I haven't tried to varify for myself each profile and how they represent the histogram/and true exposure, but Chris Ogden (Nikon Canada) wrote a nice piece on the Nikon website about this and posted with examples. 3. LLC vs. HE* - I am finding with HE* my files have too much noise at low ISO for my liking. Thom Hogan said (as of a about a week ago) this is because intoPIX and Adobe are not sharing information. What program are you using to open your raw files? 4. sRGB vs. Adobe RGB - agree. Now I've just been shooting for about 4 years (mostly wildlife/action (dance) sports, but I do like portraiture and landscape as well. Just always like getting other peoples thoughts - because that's how I learn. I have to think it out. TO THAT END: For me (and I realize I'm not the UA-cam community, hearing why you made the choices you did (i.e. for color space etc.) would be interesting for a separate video because many people starting out have no idea and just copy. One last rabbit hole: The Z9's AF system clearly has issues as demonstrated in the Facebook Z9 "Pro" group. (I'm an armature, but there are plenty of pros there). I do believe, but could be wrong, that a demonstration on the difference between Wide Area (anything - small, large, custom) and 3D for many would be helpful (with subject detection enabled). i.e. Wide area grabs the closest person/animal whereas 3D theoretically should follow the selected subject all over (just about) the sensor frame regardless of distance of subjects. If you are up to tackling it, demonstrating the problem with the OSPDAF system would be a benefit to many picking up this camera for the first time, because it will happen to them (There are already a half dozen UA-cam videos showing frustration with this - but they don't understand or explain why it is happening). i.e. 3D is not really ready for prime time - although it works well in some circumstances. The problem of "jumping to the background" and not recovering focus is a major issue. Video posted a few days ago now by FB Pro Z9 administrator demonstrated the difficulty with any mode sticking with a gymnast with predicable results. My hope is in firmware Nikon can improve some of these issues, but it's going to likely take a different duel or quad pixel phase detect type array to solve it. I feel like sharing and teaching people why this is happening will lower the frustration level and help people better work around it. Sad that the new Canon R7 and R10 will both have the best Canon AF system of the R3 (R 10 under 1000 dollars) and it's more accurate and sticky than the system in the Z9. (Call to Nikon - Firmware update 2.5?).
@@dance2jam thanks for the topic recommendations! I’ve added those to my topic list.
1. Please do tag the video when you find it. I’ve done some searching myself and can’t find any reference on file corruption by using erase instead of format but will keep looking. For now I won’t chance it, but I’m curious why Nikon keeps that option if it’s a potential issue…..I use
3. Adobe LR and PS for editing.
As far as autofocus, I’ve been pretty happy with the hit rate in 3D, perhaps it’s my perspective coming from film and manual lenses. It can definitely focus faster than I ever could. ;) I’ll look into putting a video together on the other autofocus modes…it would force me to dive deeper into them.
Thanks again!
@@TomReplogle And I'll look for the HH video (which only mentioned as an aside, in the beginning, something like "several people have brought to my attention the problem with deleting files compared to formatting the card" = again, it may be more theoretical, but as you said, I don't want it to happen. Thanks for your kind and thoughtful responses. Much appreciated. I'll try and tag you back when I find it.
Re Formatting the memory card. When ready to format, first load settings, then format, then save setting. No problem and you will not lose your setting but you still can do a good job of caring for your cards
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I’ve changed my evil ways and am now formatting every time. :) Thanks for watching!
How do you save setting to bank? ? I dont see the option to save settings to bank
It's in the 'Setup Menu', all the way at the bottom --> 'Save/load menu settings'
Question, can’t i simply save the shoot banks to a separate SD card and save that somewhere safe? Instead of saving the cards in use for a shoot?
Absolutely. That's what I do. I have a separate card just for settings.
How do I change the fps 20 fps for bank A and 5 fps for bank B? At this monent when I change it it's the same for all (A,B,C,D)
Release Mode doesn't change between banks. You could set up a button for "Recall shooting function (hold)" to make a switch like that. Check my videos as I have a video on how to set that up. Thanks for watching!
Can I make menu bank A for photo settings and then B for 4k24 then C for 4k60 then D for 4k120? I want to shoot aperture priority in bank A but manual video in BCD.. can’t figure it out
Yep, you should be able to do that. Goto bank A in Photo Shooting Menu -> change to Aperture Priority. Then goto bank B, change mode to Manual and then goto your Video Recording Menu and set your resolution and frame rate as you'd like. Rinse and repeat for the two other banks (C & D). Once finished go back through and see if it works as you like. Don't have my camera with me right not but I think that's all you need to do.
@@TomReplogle thank you!
I agree with @dance2jam, I'm saving them in my second card (old XQD as I haven't yet come to the limit of my 325 CFE and the XQD is set to "Overflow") plus in my PC just in case... I think that the HE* it is useful only if you need long burst of 20fps... I'm a "trigger happy" but as I said I haven't hit the 3600 limit of my ProGrade in a day with the "Lossless Comp"... 😁
Hey Terry, thanks for watching! That is definitely a solution if you're not using the second card for backing up. I may just use one of my old cards to store the settings to, label it as such, and just carry it in my bag. Saving it to your computer is smart.
Yeah, I shoot uncompressed for all my landscapes but truthfully I didn't see any difference between uncompressed and HE* when pixel peeping or printing. Perhaps I'll revisit and do some more testing.
If you have any suggestions for future topics please let me know! Have a great weekend!
@@TomReplogle thanks for the chance, yes I would like if you have a time to check the "Interval timer shooting" as when I try for a star trails and settings of 400-500 frames of shutter speed 30 seconds f2. 8 iso 3200 each, the main point is the 30 seconds exposure, when I'm trying it I HAVE to a set in the "ITS" the number of shots with the the interval of 34 seconds meaning a minimum time gap of 4 seconds... Any smaller interval and I'm loosing frames of 10-12 frames per shot, sometimes more... I have asked couple of Nikon representatives without real answer... I'm not the only one to wonder about it...
@@TerryKontopoulosI would check to see if there is any additional processing being done by the camera, such as noise reduction, etc… it could also be the write speed of your card.
@@TomReplogle no my friend the card is ProGrade 325 no noise reduction full manual etc. The same problem with D850, I'm not the only one, I know two more people which they have tried to find solution from Nikon before I jumped from Canon but they resigned and now using just a remote control, I do the same now... I asked just in case you have faced the problem and contacted Nikon... No worries I don't believe it is any solution as Nikon have dismissed the questions which I heard people have asked long long time now... Take care 😉
@@TerryKontopoulos I figured you had all that stuff turned off but just wanted to check. I use a tethered release so haven’t ran into that issue. I’ll try to replicate on my next trip and see what I find. Is it missing shots immediately or after a period of time?
So with 8 possible banks, why have/name the Photo Shooting menu and Custom Settings menu the same? Would love to know your general settings for the 4 main ones you mentioned. Not clear to me over time how you avoid changing the settings for the banks for changes while using them are saved? Saving them each time is cumbersome but I guess its a good way to get back to where you were at the start of the day. Thanks for this video.
Thanks for watching! I name the Shooting and Custom Settings banks the same name because I have certain settings I'd like to have set for the type of photography I'm doing, and unfortunately some reside in the Photo Shooting menu and others in the Custom Settings Menu. It would be nice if there was just one set of banks that included all of the different settings but Nikon decided to split them up for some reason.
I'm currently working on a video that discusses some of my settings I've been using....stay tuned. -Tom
I followed your tutorial on the SHOOTING MENU BANK and it was great, but I still don't understand the use of the CUSTOM SETTINGS BANK and why I need to use it. Does it need to have the same settings as the SHOOTING MENU BANK ? Nikon manual is not clear explaining this
The Custom Settings and Photo Shooting Menus have completely different settings. Depending on what you shoot, you may only need to customize just one bank on the Custom Settings. I tend to have different (although minor) differences between by Custom Settings Banks.
For example, I have 4 named Photo Shooting banks: A Handheld, B Tripod, C Fast Action, and D Aerials. My Custom Settings banks are identically named. When I switch from shooting landscapes to aerials, I change both the Photo Shooting and Custom Settings to the Aerials Bank.
My Aerials Bank under Custom Settings has a significantly different button layout than the other banks due to the nature of taking photos in small aircraft. I have many of the buttons disabled so I don’t accidentally change a setting when flying.
I hope that makes sense. I’m typing this pre-coffee so it may be complete gibberish.
Thanks for watching!
How have you set up your Z9? Especially for sports?
Depends on the sport. What sports do you want covered? I’ve had a bunch of questions about autofocus and settings so I’m going to try to put together a video on the topic.
Thx!
What is the difference between shooting and custom banks?
Custom banks is essentially settings that affect camera usage, such as autofocus settings, function buttons assignments, etc. The photo shooting menu has settings that affect the photo itself or the technique used to get that photo. I hope that helps.
How do you know which items will only apply to the selected bank and which items will apply to all banks? seems like you have to check every single change to see if it also change the other menu banks?
Check out this link:
onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z8/en/psm_shooting_menu_bank_guid-e8f8882a-8ce0-9e2f-fadd-b08a961dbedb_94.html
Thanks for watching!
@@TomReplogle Thanks for taking the time to reply. One further question as I have ordered the camera. If you have a moment to answer of course.
If you setup one of the banks for wildlife it seems it cannot have burst mode applied to the bank which seems kind of crazy.
Example you are out shooting a landscape and you are in menu bank A all set for landscape. Then suddenly an Osprey appears so you switch to the wildlife mode in an instant but you still have to go messing to set the burst mode ! Seems madness the burst mode cannot be applied to a menu bank you that you have carefully set up for wildlife. Or am I missing something?
Sure no problem at all. Unfortunately you are correct, the burst mode stays the same between banks. I bet there will be a firmware update in the future for the Z8. The Z9 has a physical dial next to the left of the viewfinder to allow switching between burst modes…the Z8 does not. For your scenario shooting landscapes and then switching to shoot wildlife I program my f1 button to Recall Shooting Functions (hold) to quick switch back and forth. This will also change your burst settings as well. I have a video about setting it up. Thanks for watching and feel free to ask questions anytime.
@@TomReplogle Thanks again. The Z8 does have the drive selector just not a turning one like the z9. It is however directly selectable to press and then turn the back dial. But could take some valuable seconds of a moment. Thanks again for responding.
@@markr3926 yeah, I think that’s why it was overlooked. With a dedicated knob to select you could have a situation where the knob was set to single shot and the software was set to a burst mode. That could get confusing with the Z9. Since the Z8 doesn’t have that…you could make it bank specific. Hope that makes sense.
Can you then set a custom shooting bank to a function button?
Yes you can. Goto Custom Settings Menu and select "f Controls" then "f2 Custom controls (shooting)". Select the function button you'd like to assign (ex Fn3). Go to the "Press + command dials" section to select "Shooting Menu Bank". Now when you hold Fn3 and use the back dial you can switch between your shooting banks.
Oh, and thanks for watching!
Can the custom shooting banks be assigned to a button so while shooting you can change modes without going into the menu?
Not that I have seen. I have both menus in my imenu which makes it pretty quick to switch when needed.
@@TomReplogle ok, thanks for getting back to me. Best regards.
I need help with my Z8. When I shoot in the studio I need Custom Setting d8 to be set to “Adjust for ease of viewing.” I have all of my studio settings set to Shooting Bank A. When I go out of the studio, I use Shooting Bank B, and I need Custom Setting d8 to be set to “Show effects of settings.” How can I make Custom Setting d8 change when I change my Shooting Banks?
Hi Kevin, unfortunately the custom settings bank won’t automatically change when you switch Photo Shooting Banks. You need to change both the Photo Shooting Bank AND the Custom Settings Bank. It would be nice if you could link them but you can’t. I have them setup in my i-menu so it’s quick and easy.
This looks very much like what the D850 menu system looks like
Yes very similar. Thanks for watching!
So you have no way of deciding when to Save your settings to a bank? The camera "auto-saves" your changes to the selected bank all the time? Horrible. In that respect this is not better then U1,U2, etc in the other Z cameras.
Yes. That is correct. It would probably be better if it would revert back to originally saved settings once the camera is powered off. Fuji does that and it works pretty well for most use cases however at times it can be a pain too. There’s really not a perfect solution that will work for everyone all of the time. Thanks for watching.
Unfortunately on the D850/Z8 and Z9 all settings are "auto update" anytime you change anything until you very laboriously "load resets" from your card...which you did not format, ever. Z7ii is far, far better with it's U1, U2, and U3 which truly "save" like every other thing in the digital world. Saved until you intentionally change it. Makes this feature nearly worthless on Z8 and 9. Far more trouble than it's worth and has led to unintentional mis-set disasters. It shot JPEG's because I switched to a bank that had default JPEG in "shooting bank." Dumb system. Avoid it.
Actually it's not too bad once you get use to it, but there's definitely room for improvement.