Great video!!! I agree that pressure is so important. I used to break and train western horses and that experience helped me train my dog. And, I agree that folks need to understand the difference between collars. I will say, the remote trained my dog when he would not come, but only after he learned all of the behaviors. He is part bully and sometimes decides he wants to do what he wants. I only use the lowest setting to tap him and let him know, hey time to come; better listen! He gets excited when I put the ecollar on him, because he knows that we are going out for an adventure!!!
I love your videos Mr. Frawley, the vast amount of no nonsense knowledge is helping me to understand my dog and be a better leader for him. I think i'll try to get the dominant dog collar for my dog-reactive 2 year old Old German Shepherd, right now i'm using slip collars they do work but since he has a big head i'm ending up with too much of slack which sort of watering down the connection.
Would be really helpful if you could define your terms, please. For instance, knowing the difference between a dominant dog and a reactive dog seems to be important for choosing between collars. Even a brief explanation/example of each would be useful and less confusing for folks who don't know or who may need a reminder.
Good idea. I will do that in one of my future YouTUbe videos. I often take too much for granted - that happens when you 77 and been seriously training dogs for 60 years :-)
Oh wow, I didn’t know that about dominant dog. Luckily, I’ve never had a dominant dog. But I don’t know if I ever would because they’re trained so young to behave in every situation. I’m halfway through now and I just learned all about dominant dog collars. They sound pretty awesome.
I use the Herm Springer prong collars on my two German Shepherds because they totally threw my back out when they were pups when I was bringing them out to go potty. They were six months old and pretty much almost you know they’re full stature. So I use it just to take them potty back then. Now anytime I’m walking in public. I have them on and I almost never have to like pull it at all. they heal extraordinarily well. And I just have to lightly tap if they get over focused on something, but typically they’re just amazing and they love to go out and go lay a tables when I go out to cafés and so on. Kitty critters and everything can walk around and they’re really really good and they never bark. But because they hurt my back twice really really bad I always have it on for my protection, even though I really don’t have to use it. It’s nice because I don’t have to constantly correct them to have them not putting tension on a lead, because they just don’t pull on them like they would if they were just in a regular collar. I never leave them on for one second longer than the walk or that they’re out with me because I do not want it to irritate them. They really don’t even notice it’s on them and they’re just amazing dogs.
I agree with respect to a dominant dog - in that basically that corrections are not necessary going to work very well, and may cause redirection. Very much depends on the dog - if it’s truly perceived as punishing by the dog they may well desist. Isn’t that what you’re trying to do with the dominant dog collar - make him think twice next time? After all, what’s to stop them trying again once you release the pressure. However, dominant dog reactivity is much rarer than fear based, or arousal based reactivity. Whereas fear, and arousal based reasons for reactivity definitely respond well to punishment. It must be punishment, and not negative reinforcement - which means you need to deliver it with enough intensity. An eCollar runs the risk of the dog mistakenly associating the stim with the target of reactivity, on the other hand.
Just an aside, but when you first showed that clip of Caesar, I was so busy noticing that the handler was giving almost no length of leash, on the pinch collar, that I didn’t notice it was Caesar. (Even though I have seen the episode - probably a few times.) I like to give a dog the chance to make the correct, or the wrong choice by giving him enough leash. Plus, I actually have better control with that collar on the end of the leash. While the slip leash is meant to be kept short - how could you pull up otherwise.
There is some merit in what you say and some is totally wrong. The foundation of an effective corrections program is based on consistency and learning to apply appropriate corrections at a level that encourages the dog to not repeat the bad or incorrect behaviour. That all based on the dog, its level of training, and the distractions it is facing. You are 100% wrong to say that fear based behavior can be solved with any form of correction. If a dog is afraid of something - correcting it for that behavior is not going to make the dog less afraid of what was bothering it. The purpose of this video was to talk about these 4 tools and give an idea on what tool to use and when. I said in the video "How to use the tool ( i.e. prong collar or remote collar) was not t he ontent of the video. That opic can ampst be a book.
@ no problem, we can agree to differ. Though it is possible we are talking at cross purposes. When I deliver a correction in a reactive situation, I am not punishing the dog for their feeling, afraid, for example. I am punishing the behavior. It doesn’t end there, because at some point, after this, I need to make clear what I want the dog to do instead. If I influence the behavior, over time, the associated emotion usually weakens. Reinforcing or punishing how a dog feels is not a very effective approach for preventing high arousal or fear responses. A dog that stops fear reactive behavior will still experience fear in other scenarios, it’s a biological imperative in most cases, even if they are more relaxed on a leash. We have to base our assessment of effectiveness by relative results. It works for me - I am always open to better ways.
@@deanej1Back to my point on correction for fear reactivity and corrections. If a person is afraid of spiders or a dog is very concerned about slippery floors - no amount of correction is going to change that persons fear of spiders. The same goes with a dog that hate walking on slippery floors. No amount of correction is going to result in that dog walking down the hallway that has a smooth shinny marble floor.
@ I think you may be confusing phobias with fear based responses. Leash reactivity is not an example of a phobia. No, if we want to make analogies, which can be helpful in making ones point, but are generally dangerous to draw conclusions from, the I have a better, if still imperfect one. Suppose I am sitting in a cinema watching Jaws (I am giving my age away here, a little) and that scene where the face floats to the breach in the keel comes up, that makes me jump - it really did. In my confusion (this is now fiction, honest), I hit the guy sitting next to me. Now, I am going to be prosecuted (punished), quite correctly. Hopefully the price I have to pay is enough to make me think twice before lashing out next time, in a similar situation.
If a dog has a narrow head that isn't too much larger then it's neck (greyhound, as a possible example) would a slip collar that just barely goes over his head serve in lieu of a dominant dog collar? There would not be much slack to pull up before the pressure is felt by the dog on his neck.
Yes - you are correct. The bottom line is to have between 1 inch and 3 inches of slack when the collar is right up under the jaw and right behind the ears. The reason is you will only have to move the leash 1 to 3 inches to tighten on the dogs neck - in the video look how Caesar had so much slack and had to raise his arm so high to tighten the leash and stop the dog from biting. That dog has been allowed to practise bad behavior for so long the solution came down to a serious fight with the handler - most dogs like this are put down. THis is a dog that should never be off leash. It needs to be micro managed its whole life. Its also a dog that may respond to reward based training. for certain (but not all) behaviors. In the end it has to respect the consequences of trying to bite - those consequences are its going to have his air taken away from it and he needs to understand (thru consistent training) that there isnt anything he can do about that.
The trainers that will go straight to the e-collar because they don't have enough time to do what the customer wants-need to stop being greedy and explain to the owner (let's admit it is being cheap) that's not the proper way to train the dog. If I was to smack my kid because he doesn't come doesn't make him want to come to me in the future.
In my opinion a professional trainer needs to sit down with a client and explain the concepts and be honest with how long this will take. If the client doesnt want to spend the amount of money it takes to do it correctly then tell the client that you are not the guy for him, because you wont short cut and rish training just because the onwer will not or could not afford it.
@@MsBleau I agree - that can be difficult for people that dont have a strong following - but in my opinion they should get a second part time job and focus on doing a really good job training dogs the right way. Those trainers who rush the training with force and remote collars are not only making a mistake they dont deserve our respect. They are very short sighted.
@@efrawley55 Ed mentioned how the internet has brought training into the future, but it has also made any idiot who takes a weekend class think they are one. Some of what I've seen on YT I would luv to to put a collar on those trainers an use 'their method' on them. But being "affordable' people will use them. Although I don't see many people training their dogs period. I have 11 on my street. Every one of those dogs walks their owner. They would rather bring them to a behavioral therapist and put them on drugs. Which I'm dead set against. I just rescued a dog who was in doggie jail for 2yrs on 60mgs Prozac, 5 allergy pills, 900mg (not a typo) gabapentin.trazadone, tramadol etc GTFOH . He's down to 2mg of Prozac gained 15lbs an is finally becoming a dog again. 🐕
Chapters:
00:01 Introduction
01:06 Slip Collars/Leash
02:32 Dominant Dog Collars
04:51 Reactive Dogs
07:25 Prong/Pinch Collars
10:22 Remote Collars
14:07 Conclusion
Great video!!! I agree that pressure is so important. I used to break and train western horses and that experience helped me train my dog. And, I agree that folks need to understand the difference between collars. I will say, the remote trained my dog when he would not come, but only after he learned all of the behaviors. He is part bully and sometimes decides he wants to do what he wants. I only use the lowest setting to tap him and let him know, hey time to come; better listen! He gets excited when I put the ecollar on him, because he knows that we are going out for an adventure!!!
AMEN!!! RC should never be used to “train” behaviours!
I love your videos Mr. Frawley, the vast amount of no nonsense knowledge is helping me to understand my dog and be a better leader for him. I think i'll try to get the dominant dog collar for my dog-reactive 2 year old Old German Shepherd, right now i'm using slip collars they do work but since he has a big head i'm ending up with too much of slack which sort of watering down the connection.
Leerburg has been a great resource for my newly adopted Shepherd. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and for selling amazing products!
Great video! Thank you for explaining the different collars. There is so much confusion out there about this very topic. This clears it right up!
Great vídeo!
Would be really helpful if you could define your terms, please. For instance, knowing the difference between a dominant dog and a reactive dog seems to be important for choosing between collars. Even a brief explanation/example of each would be useful and less confusing for folks who don't know or who may need a reminder.
Good idea. I will do that in one of my future YouTUbe videos. I often take too much for granted - that happens when you 77 and been seriously training dogs for 60 years :-)
Oh wow, I didn’t know that about dominant dog. Luckily, I’ve never had a dominant dog. But I don’t know if I ever would because they’re trained so young to behave in every situation.
I’m halfway through now and I just learned all about dominant dog collars. They sound pretty awesome.
Being a dominant dog is not about training. I have a trained dominant dog he has a strong personality he's not mean but he is a dominant personality
I use the Herm Springer prong collars on my two German Shepherds because they totally threw my back out when they were pups when I was bringing them out to go potty. They were six months old and pretty much almost you know they’re full stature.
So I use it just to take them potty back then. Now anytime I’m walking in public. I have them on and I almost never have to like pull it at all. they heal extraordinarily well. And I just have to lightly tap if they get over focused on something, but typically they’re just amazing and they love to go out and go lay a tables when I go out to cafés and so on. Kitty critters and everything can walk around and they’re really really good and they never bark.
But because they hurt my back twice really really bad I always have it on for my protection, even though I really don’t have to use it.
It’s nice because I don’t have to constantly correct them to have them not putting tension on a lead, because they just don’t pull on them like they would if they were just in a regular collar. I never leave them on for one second longer than the walk or that they’re out with me because I do not want it to irritate them.
They really don’t even notice it’s on them and they’re just amazing dogs.
I agree with respect to a dominant dog - in that basically that corrections are not necessary going to work very well, and may cause redirection. Very much depends on the dog - if it’s truly perceived as punishing by the dog they may well desist. Isn’t that what you’re trying to do with the dominant dog collar - make him think twice next time? After all, what’s to stop them trying again once you release the pressure. However, dominant dog reactivity is much rarer than fear based, or arousal based reactivity. Whereas fear, and arousal based reasons for reactivity definitely respond well to punishment. It must be punishment, and not negative reinforcement - which means you need to deliver it with enough intensity. An eCollar runs the risk of the dog mistakenly associating the stim with the target of reactivity, on the other hand.
Just an aside, but when you first showed that clip of Caesar, I was so busy noticing that the handler was giving almost no length of leash, on the pinch collar, that I didn’t notice it was Caesar. (Even though I have seen the episode - probably a few times.) I like to give a dog the chance to make the correct, or the wrong choice by giving him enough leash. Plus, I actually have better control with that collar on the end of the leash. While the slip leash is meant to be kept short - how could you pull up otherwise.
There is some merit in what you say and some is totally wrong.
The foundation of an effective corrections program is based on consistency and learning to apply appropriate corrections at a level that encourages the dog to not repeat the bad or incorrect behaviour. That all based on the dog, its level of training, and the distractions it is facing.
You are 100% wrong to say that fear based behavior can be solved with any form of correction. If a dog is afraid of something - correcting it for that behavior is not going to make the dog less afraid of what was bothering it.
The purpose of this video was to talk about these 4 tools and give an idea on what tool to use and when. I said in the video "How to use the tool ( i.e. prong collar or remote collar) was not t he ontent of the video. That opic can ampst be a book.
@ no problem, we can agree to differ. Though it is possible we are talking at cross purposes. When I deliver a correction in a reactive situation, I am not punishing the dog for their feeling, afraid, for example. I am punishing the behavior. It doesn’t end there, because at some point, after this, I need to make clear what I want the dog to do instead. If I influence the behavior, over time, the associated emotion usually weakens. Reinforcing or punishing how a dog feels is not a very effective approach for preventing high arousal or fear responses. A dog that stops fear reactive behavior will still experience fear in other scenarios, it’s a biological imperative in most cases, even if they are more relaxed on a leash. We have to base our assessment of effectiveness by relative results. It works for me - I am always open to better ways.
@@deanej1Back to my point on correction for fear reactivity and corrections.
If a person is afraid of spiders or a dog is very concerned about slippery floors - no amount of correction is going to change that persons fear of spiders. The same goes with a dog that hate walking on slippery floors. No amount of correction is going to result in that dog walking down the hallway that has a smooth shinny marble floor.
@ I think you may be confusing phobias with fear based responses. Leash reactivity is not an example of a phobia. No, if we want to make analogies, which can be helpful in making ones point, but are generally dangerous to draw conclusions from, the I have a better, if still imperfect one. Suppose I am sitting in a cinema watching Jaws (I am giving my age away here, a little) and that scene where the face floats to the breach in the keel comes up, that makes me jump - it really did. In my confusion (this is now fiction, honest), I hit the guy sitting next to me. Now, I am going to be prosecuted (punished), quite correctly. Hopefully the price I have to pay is enough to make me think twice before lashing out next time, in a similar situation.
If a dog has a narrow head that isn't too much larger then it's neck (greyhound, as a possible example) would a slip collar that just barely goes over his head serve in lieu of a dominant dog collar? There would not be much slack to pull up before the pressure is felt by the dog on his neck.
Yes - you are correct. The bottom line is to have between 1 inch and 3 inches of slack when the collar is right up under the jaw and right behind the ears.
The reason is you will only have to move the leash 1 to 3 inches to tighten on the dogs neck - in the video look how Caesar had so much slack and had to raise his arm so high to tighten the leash and stop the dog from biting. That dog has been allowed to practise bad behavior for so long the solution came down to a serious fight with the handler - most dogs like this are put down.
THis is a dog that should never be off leash. It needs to be micro managed its whole life. Its also a dog that may respond to reward based training. for certain (but not all) behaviors. In the end it has to respect the consequences of trying to bite - those consequences are its going to have his air taken away from it and he needs to understand (thru consistent training) that there isnt anything he can do about that.
Is he a dog trainer or collar seller
The trainers that will go straight to the e-collar because they don't have enough time to do what the customer wants-need to stop being greedy and explain to the owner (let's admit it is being cheap) that's not the proper way to train the dog.
If I was to smack my kid because he doesn't come doesn't make him want to come to me in the future.
In my opinion a professional trainer needs to sit down with a client and explain the concepts and be honest with how long this will take. If the client doesnt want to spend the amount of money it takes to do it correctly then tell the client that you are not the guy for him, because you wont short cut and rish training just because the onwer will not or could not afford it.
@efrawley55 That's how it should be. But....
@@MsBleau I agree - that can be difficult for people that dont have a strong following - but in my opinion they should get a second part time job and focus on doing a really good job training dogs the right way.
Those trainers who rush the training with force and remote collars are not only making a mistake they dont deserve our respect. They are very short sighted.
@@efrawley55 Ed mentioned how the internet has brought training into the future, but it has also made any idiot who takes a weekend class think they are one. Some of what I've seen on YT I would luv to to put a collar on those trainers an use 'their method' on them. But being "affordable' people will use them. Although I don't see many people training their dogs period. I have 11 on my street. Every one of those dogs walks their owner. They would rather bring them to a behavioral therapist and put them on drugs. Which I'm dead set against. I just rescued a dog who was in doggie jail for 2yrs on 60mgs Prozac, 5 allergy pills, 900mg (not a typo) gabapentin.trazadone, tramadol etc GTFOH . He's down to 2mg of Prozac gained 15lbs an is finally becoming a dog again. 🐕
Never use those collars