I started a CMS for my org and checked all 3. In my case the finalists were Twill and Filament + Plugins, finally decided that Filament give me more flexibility, so it was the winner.
Craft CMS still my go to! Have used Statamic a few times and also really enjoyed it. And Filament still the goat for creating less Admin panels (although I'm sure you could make a CMS out of it)
It is a great subject to discuss as I am really surprised that there are no more available CMS options based on Laravel. There is Joomla CMS which is very powerful and something I am using often (which does not require development) and of course Filament based panels.
Here's the link to my recent course "Design Patterns in Laravel 11" laraveldaily.com/course/design-patterns Also a video: ua-cam.com/video/35kfT5FHJpY/v-deo.html
I'm one of Statamic's many partners. I also use Craft CMS as well (which isn't yet based on Laravel). The CMS space is weird in Laravel, typically because most of us are building custom applications and not websites. And that's OK. Where Statamic and Craft both differ - and shine - from other options is the author experience. If you're a developer, this probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference for you publishing a blog. If you're a reporter for a newspaper or a content author for an organisation, then the authoring experience is where the value of a proper CMS will come from, between something like Live Preview, Content Collaboration (think like Google Docs), baked in API options like REST or Graph, flexible content structures. These aren't developer features. Yes, you could build something yourself but I can pretty much guarantee you won't get anywhere near these tools unless you're building your own dedicated CMS platform or product. Like everything, you choose the right tool for the job.
Smartend CMS meets all modern requirements. It has an advanced panel. It has an API. It can combine a website with a blog. It has the ability to create custom pages.
I have worked on October CMS/Winter CMS. It is best if you just know Laravel and want to create CMS based sites for clients. Not to mention it is RAD and you don't even have to touch files from VS code (Most of the time).
10 years ago, for a client project I switched from Wordpress to Drupal. I felt more confortable with the way how Drupal managed custom types and fields. I am looking for a Laravel CMS that has the same Drupal philosophy.
Great video! I wish you would review Concrete5 and Sulu too, not Laravel, but PHP based. My experience is with larger WordPress sites and even SaaS apps, but in the last couple of years, I fell in love with Laravel. So now I mostly create websites with WordPress and try to build everything else with Laravel.
Concrete5 CMS IMO has always been the best CMS. Intuitive, easy to use and extend, and the first CMS with front-end and inline editing. Guys give a try.
I don't think so. The core team is too busy with the CORE mission of Laravel as a framework, with Cloud and one upcoming product at Laracon AU related to debugging. CMS is just a totally different market.
I'm 100% sure that would never happen. Taylor focuses on creating a framework not a CMS. You could literally (as done before) create a CMS with Laravel
I did the same exercise a few months ago. I played with OctoberCMS, WinterCMS and Statamic as a replacement for a WordPress site (which needed to be integrated in a new Laravel application). In my opion Statamic was the most flexibel/powerful option. I choose to use Statamic with the collections in a database (not in flat files), bought and read the Antlers book by Jonathon Koster. Still in the end, I decided to develop the whole project in Laravel using Filament for both backend and frontend, using multiple panels and my own customized version of the Fabricator plugin.
Most people need more than just a blog, though. The whole appeal of WP is the plugin ecosystem. Laravel has a lot of options there (Spatie, Statamic, Filament, etc) but it's definitely geared towards developers. Thankfully I have some experience in development, so I think I will give it a shot. One of my biggest questions is whether I should choose Breeze or Jetstream. The latter seems to be more useful to me because I'm trying to lean towards the direction of an ERP system like Odoo. Any suggestions there? Any difficulties I might encounter? Stacks I should consider? I'm pretty much just one IT guy in the company who hires out help occasionally.
@@overholted I would choose the starter kit that best aligns with the UI technology/structure you are planning to use for the front end. I consider both Breeze and Jetstream as a starting point from where you start customizing. I my project, I choose to also use Filament as the frontend technology, so I didn't use Breeze or Jetstream.
I was like that more than a decade ago, thinking that wordpress is everything I needed until I braved my way to try learning RoR and laravel. You really won't know how tiny the pond is until you're outside, and how restricted you were until you have a taste of freedom. Don't get me wrong, wordpress was a good starting point especially for newbies like I me before. But as you learn more stuff and need to do more than what wordpress offers, you have to grow out of it.
Yes, I think this situation is going to benefit Drupal greatly. That community deserves to grow, hopefully not so much that it becomes corrupt, though.
it's sad what's going on with wordpress. i personally use a mix of headless wordpress + laravel (laravel-corcel package), and i've always found this solution to be the best of both worlds. i wonder if the wordpress drama will impact the self hosted wordpress installations in a significant way. i see that ACF updates are somehow affected, this is scary
I find Statamic's pricing to be unreasonably high. At $275 per site, it feels excessive. While it has some great features and the CMS itself is solid, the cost just doesn’t seem justified. Even the plugins are pricey. In my country, a single license is equivalent to half the minimum wage, making it unaffordable for many to use on just one website. Lowering the price would make it far more accessible and encourage more widespread use of the framework.
to truly replace word-press, and i do think it should be replaced due to severely aging code-base , it is really showing it's age. Laravel can provide the basics , what is needed it to create the interfaces for the themes and the plugins exactly as they are in wordpress, wordpress itself is not too special, 90% of what makes it important is the themes and the plugins , it would be nice to create a package for laravel that creates these callbacks and interfaces, to provide a drop in replacement for the plugins ... it would be nice to have a project like that
This was great to overview. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the different "CMS" and page builder plugin options for Filament.
Thanks. A course on how to use filament as a cms would be great!
We have one simple example here: filamentexamples.com/project/cms-blog-front-theme
I started a CMS for my org and checked all 3. In my case the finalists were Twill and Filament + Plugins, finally decided that Filament give me more flexibility, so it was the winner.
Craft CMS still my go to! Have used Statamic a few times and also really enjoyed it. And Filament still the goat for creating less Admin panels (although I'm sure you could make a CMS out of it)
It is a great subject to discuss as I am really surprised that there are no more available CMS options based on Laravel. There is Joomla CMS which is very powerful and something I am using often (which does not require development) and of course Filament based panels.
Thank you Povilas. I like your explanation way, and that's why I really hope that you make some videos about design patterns!!!
But he has. Two videos are only two months old. Also, he have a course about patterns
@@krekas Can you please refer me the videos and the course?
@HindAALOUCH-u7x search the channel for design pattern. The same goes for the course on laravel daily website. I cannot add links here
Here's the link to my recent course "Design Patterns in Laravel 11" laraveldaily.com/course/design-patterns
Also a video: ua-cam.com/video/35kfT5FHJpY/v-deo.html
@@LaravelDaily Thank you so much
I'm one of Statamic's many partners. I also use Craft CMS as well (which isn't yet based on Laravel).
The CMS space is weird in Laravel, typically because most of us are building custom applications and not websites. And that's OK.
Where Statamic and Craft both differ - and shine - from other options is the author experience. If you're a developer, this probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference for you publishing a blog.
If you're a reporter for a newspaper or a content author for an organisation, then the authoring experience is where the value of a proper CMS will come from, between something like Live Preview, Content Collaboration (think like Google Docs), baked in API options like REST or Graph, flexible content structures. These aren't developer features.
Yes, you could build something yourself but I can pretty much guarantee you won't get anywhere near these tools unless you're building your own dedicated CMS platform or product.
Like everything, you choose the right tool for the job.
No.1 WordPress
2. Statamic
3. Ghost (js, node)
WP is because of themes, plugins, page builder like Divi, Elementor.
Smartend CMS meets all modern requirements. It has an advanced panel. It has an API. It can combine a website with a blog. It has the ability to create custom pages.
I have worked on October CMS/Winter CMS. It is best if you just know Laravel and want to create CMS based sites for clients. Not to mention it is RAD and you don't even have to touch files from VS code (Most of the time).
based on Laravel 9.x... OMG! nope...
Worked with October CMS as well and really enjoy it
Statamic has a powerful field called Bard. This is, among other things, a WYSIWYG editor. Very flexible.
In a blog post earlier this year, CraftCMS have announced their plans to migrate to Laravel with next major version, roughly Q2 2026.
10 years ago, for a client project I switched from Wordpress to Drupal. I felt more confortable with the way how Drupal managed custom types and fields.
I am looking for a Laravel CMS that has the same Drupal philosophy.
Craft CMS is working towards rebuilding onto Laravel AFAIK. Something to keep an eye on 👀
WTF/min the official metric of developers, for sure.
Great video! I wish you would review Concrete5 and Sulu too, not Laravel, but PHP based. My experience is with larger WordPress sites and even SaaS apps, but in the last couple of years, I fell in love with Laravel. So now I mostly create websites with WordPress and try to build everything else with Laravel.
Concrete5 CMS IMO has always been the best CMS. Intuitive, easy to use and extend, and the first CMS with front-end and inline editing. Guys give a try.
WinterCMS and OctoberCMS extend the "Twig" Template Language.
Thanks for clarification!
What If Taylor decided to create a CMS as alternative to WordPress? OMG. Cloud and Forge could reach billions.
I don't think so. The core team is too busy with the CORE mission of Laravel as a framework, with Cloud and one upcoming product at Laracon AU related to debugging.
CMS is just a totally different market.
I'm 100% sure that would never happen. Taylor focuses on creating a framework not a CMS. You could literally (as done before) create a CMS with Laravel
Recently I was looking for a CMS for Laravel and I came to the conclusion that each of them sucks :|
I did the same exercise a few months ago. I played with OctoberCMS, WinterCMS and Statamic as a replacement for a WordPress site (which needed to be integrated in a new Laravel application). In my opion Statamic was the most flexibel/powerful option. I choose to use Statamic with the collections in a database (not in flat files), bought and read the Antlers book by Jonathon Koster. Still in the end, I decided to develop the whole project in Laravel using Filament for both backend and frontend, using multiple panels and my own customized version of the Fabricator plugin.
The only downside is statamic doesn't support write request for headless. Only read. Have you tried Craft? I think it's better than Statamic.
Most people need more than just a blog, though. The whole appeal of WP is the plugin ecosystem. Laravel has a lot of options there (Spatie, Statamic, Filament, etc) but it's definitely geared towards developers. Thankfully I have some experience in development, so I think I will give it a shot. One of my biggest questions is whether I should choose Breeze or Jetstream. The latter seems to be more useful to me because I'm trying to lean towards the direction of an ERP system like Odoo. Any suggestions there? Any difficulties I might encounter? Stacks I should consider? I'm pretty much just one IT guy in the company who hires out help occasionally.
@@overholted I would choose the starter kit that best aligns with the UI technology/structure you are planning to use for the front end. I consider both Breeze and Jetstream as a starting point from where you start customizing. I my project, I choose to also use Filament as the frontend technology, so I didn't use Breeze or Jetstream.
Statamic FTW
Statamic rocks
I was like that more than a decade ago, thinking that wordpress is everything I needed until I braved my way to try learning RoR and laravel. You really won't know how tiny the pond is until you're outside, and how restricted you were until you have a taste of freedom. Don't get me wrong, wordpress was a good starting point especially for newbies like I me before. But as you learn more stuff and need to do more than what wordpress offers, you have to grow out of it.
IMO Drupal would be a good option.
Yep, it’s a bit more secure than Wordpress too
Yes, I think this situation is going to benefit Drupal greatly. That community deserves to grow, hopefully not so much that it becomes corrupt, though.
we use Strapi and it seems cool
Not Laravel, but gotta give some love to Silverstripe
it's sad what's going on with wordpress. i personally use a mix of headless wordpress + laravel (laravel-corcel package), and i've always found this solution to be the best of both worlds. i wonder if the wordpress drama will impact the self hosted wordpress installations in a significant way. i see that ACF updates are somehow affected, this is scary
Did you try Drupal?
+1 for Statamic!
When will you do a video/or course/ about quick admin panel? Isn't it an option to make custom blog or cms?
We're sunsetting the project: blog.quickadminpanel.com/sad-news-were-sunsetting-quickadminpanel/
Quick admin is getting shutdown. He announced it plus it's on the page
@@krekas when and where did he announced it?
@@velizardsi4183 x and website itself
imagine moving away from an open source project because of feelings, evaluate based on the benefit and the future of the tool
there is a good CMS based on Filament in plugins database
I find Statamic's pricing to be unreasonably high. At $275 per site, it feels excessive. While it has some great features and the CMS itself is solid, the cost just doesn’t seem justified. Even the plugins are pricey. In my country, a single license is equivalent to half the minimum wage, making it unaffordable for many to use on just one website. Lowering the price would make it far more accessible and encourage more widespread use of the framework.
So we (Laravel-Eco-System) still need a BLOG. A simple, straightforward blog that theoretically anyone can start right away. With 1-2 commands.
So we (including YOU) can create it, right? :)
Statamic is the bedst CMS you can use!!!
statamic almos perfect why not blades... and price.
If I recall correctly you can use blade if you prefer. It supports it.
to truly replace word-press, and i do think it should be replaced due to severely aging code-base , it is really showing it's age. Laravel can provide the basics , what is needed it to create the interfaces for the themes and the plugins exactly as they are in wordpress, wordpress itself is not too special, 90% of what makes it important is the themes and the plugins , it would be nice to create a package for laravel that creates these callbacks and interfaces, to provide a drop in replacement for the plugins ... it would be nice to have a project like that
That "would be nice", I think would take many months to create properly. I think it's much more complicated than looks on the surface.
@@LaravelDaily only of we don't start we will not finish ... i think this is needed
What about OctoberCMS?
Winter CMS is a fork for it. October became closed source with license that requires registration just to try it out.
I don't use WordPress since Astro 2 exist 😅
voyager is good but why it is flop ??/
It wasn't updated enough, from what I understand. At least I remember a few years ago I saw its repo with hundreds of open issues.
None of them seem simple enough for a blog.
TYPO3 would be the best choice. Enterprise Level for PHP Dev.
A visual editor would just make statamic perfect.
Yes because everyone loves Gutenburg /s
Filament, Nova, Backpack? :(
Those are not CMSs. Those are admin panel builders, which you CAN use as a CMS with some plugins/configuration but it's not their primary purpose.
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