As a penholder (NO RPB), this compilation is much appreciated. It's sad they didn't have HD back then but still amazing and fascinating. Thanks very much for the hard work.
I am not a fan of rpb it is weak its predictable mid back hand fall on opponent table did you see Olympic games between jpen ryu vs rpb wang hao ryu backhand stronger.current European champion dang qui rpb i still consider just an average.
@@titosarmiento8333 did you see games Wang Hao vs Ryu Seing Mein besides the one on Olympic games? Wang Hao was winning about 90 percent of games against Ryu, and that was almost the only time, when he losed. Wang Hao was only 20 and that was his first Olypic games. The result is compilation of Wang Hao's panic and the fact that Ryu probably demonstrated best performance in his life. But, statistics show that Wang Hao's style was more efficient
the backhand is like non-dominant foot valley shot. no one can perform like wang hao. anatomically the backhand shot is spinny in various way and situations, but should be unsteady, not speedy and hard to control directions. wang hao transcendence that facts. every shot is tricky, stable, pierce. pure art
It's not really hard to control... you add more wrist & flick & tricks if you have a good hit at the ball. Otherwise you can hit it back quite safely.... like Xu Xin & Wang Hao do!
@@shanelawson5072 i saw the rpb of xu xin it has a lot of potential.srtonger than Wang Hao but he just but not use often he put his rpb just on the sideline.he concentrated more on hi wonderful forehand topspin.xu xin rpb is the strongest i have ever seen.
Wang Hao is unique in his ability to use the RPB. Unfortunately, this led to entire generations of new players trying blindly to emulate him but not succeeding in achieving nearly the same calibre of RPB use. The dangers of RPB is that, while it is great for the backhand offensive game, it is not the greatest for defense and also requires a great deal of attention. Often RPB penhold players focus so much on the backhand they lose all the benefits of a penhold game (short game and forehand attacks) just to stand in the middle and play like a shakehand player. As good as a RPB can be, it'll never anatomically be even comparable to a shakehand backhand. My opinion is that RPB is a nice trick to add to the penhold repertoire, but not overshadow the penhold style itself.
almost agree. but if we consider just backhand topspin and not the flat attack . rpb is even more anatomically comfortable than shakehand's attack. and the part i agree the most is that the penholder must focus on the forehand , not the backhand to be succeed .after all penholder , is a penholder and his advantage is still forhand . rpb should have be just an spice .
I disagree strongly..the RVP is better than the 'traditional' (1 side of the raquet) penhold grip, and I tried every grip there is over THIRTY YEARS, and including (to me) the bazzare 'Danny Seemiller grip'. At 68, I finally 'found it' at the club level, and fortunately I still have quik footwork and fitness for my age. Wang Hao is my model AND the up and coming teenage French sensation Felix Lebrun, who at 17 has cracked the worlds top 10 with the RVP style.. That says something...
@@bobmalack481Wang Hao couldn't beat Ma Lin in a thousand years because his bh blocking was non existent.Another player with fancy loops and mediocre block was Boll.
Uhh...who again at SEVEN TEEN cracked the worlds top 10?..Teen age French sensation Felix Lebrun with the RVP style like Wang Hao. Argue against that.@@dickn.ormous1064
From my own experience I will say that in order to attack by reverse penhold backhand as well, one must have strong deltoid muscles, otherwise there will be frequent stretching of the shoulder.
RPB is potentially stronger because of that extra wrist flexibility one gets with penhold( same reason the penhold FH is stronger) however to be able to use this potential advantage one needs to develop the technique to bring the wrists into play. Most of us Penholders unconsciously do not use the wrists as much as we should.Also it takes time to learn to use the wrists without messing up your racket angle during the stroke.One clear disadvantage of RPB is defence . Blocking and chopping are not great.
Yes exactly! BH Block and chop are better with traditional penhold. So the challenge of penholder player is the agility to choose between RPB or traditional backhand as the ball moves quickly to you. It’s extra decision step in addition to decision on whether to use BH or FH, something that shakehander don’t bother. Wang Hao just ignore traditional penhold altogether and improve his RPB to an unsurpassed level
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Penhold backhand is much stronger and much more flexible, but its harder to grasp it, not longer in time but harder on mental level, there are a lot of penholders whos backhand in low tier tt players just destroy you..
the real hard thing is trying to mix reverse penholder with the traditional backhand push, esentially what Ma lin did. I play this style and it's very hard to plan out your options ahead of time or make the correct choice between regular push and reverse penhold loop in a split second.
@@Mr.Mooody How, physics are here at game, wider range of motion, bigger muscle groups involved, and the snapping wrist action... For example Wang Hao is considered best backhand player of his time, because of power.
if you are talking specifically about physical strength then its clear that RPB is not stronger, otherwise Wang Hao would have won 2 Olymppic gold medals considering that he played against 2 traditional penholders that do not even use backhand at all! it simply isnt as strong as Zhang Jike for example@@TomAndyStripe
His Blade and Rubber Setup are not the super OFFENSIVE type...but more of a 'CONTROL' set up. This way he can generate more Control and precision with his RPB and have a higher chance of putting pressure to the opponents with his RPB strokes. His RPB is also very spinny cos of the extra dwell time from the rubber to the ball thanks to his equipment 'CONTROL' setup. RYU SEUNG MIN's super offensive setup is a CANNON....not as spinny as Wang Hao's slower set up...but man...once he unleashes his devastating Forehand...the Ball shoots like a Cannon ball to the horror of so many opponents!
Wang Hao may not be the GOAT of all time, but to me he's one of the greatest, and his wonderful RVP style. Maybe the young teenage French sensation Felix Lebrun at 17 is the heir appearant, he just cracked the worlds top 10.
Of course Wang hao is the Myth,The Master,no one could play this fantastic style better than him even XuXin ZhengPifeng,ZhaoZihao,XuFei or XuHaidong though I believe the last ones under supervising and coaching by Master Wang Hao might be able to play as well as Wang Hao!But up to now Wang is the myth of Penhold Grip!
I think the main problem is the angle that we need to adjust to hit the ball. Usually we tend to close a lot, making a small angle, so the ball goes to the net
好视频 good video. w王浩打的很漂亮。please add simplified Chinese title because eng & simplified Chinese are more popular language in the world. 加上简体中文是因为简体中文也是世界比较通用语言。 英文和简体中文都是国际语言。
SH backhand is more stable, allows for a bit more power and is superior for blocking. RPB is better at service return flicks and side spin rallies at mid and close range.
@@RandomGuy-im8zy Yes I agree... The wrist flexibility gives a greater range of motion of the bat head... both before & after ball-strike... That can equate to more speed potentially.
I play shakehand normally, but I try penhold sometimes for fun during training and RPB is even more powerful than my shakehand backhand and my backhand is stronger than my forehand. My shakehand backhand is safer though, espescially for blocking, and it's strong enough at my level anyways. I do have a own grip that is a hybrid of penhold and shakehand. It's very good for a backhand dominant player, you can hit backhand far into your forehand side. I have only seen 1 elite player use that grip, but I will try learn to use it effectively and replace my shakehand grip in the future.
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Problem with Wang Hao's backhand is that it was not good far from the table. Plus, he tended to always play it in the diagonal, so players like Ma Lin had no difficulty against him, because they expected it.
As a Chinese, I can tell you the actual situation. In fact, Ma Lin has won Wang Hao many times. And Wang Hao won Wang Liqin many times. Wang Liqin Won Ma Lin many times. So, the outcome of the three of them. As a result, Wang Hao did not win the Olympic. Ma Lin did not win the World Championships. Wang Liqin did not win the World Cup.
Wang Hao and Ryu Seung Min had so many amazing points on eachother
One have the greatest penhold backhand and one have the greatest penhold forehand.
@@Time_Lapse_Master. eh Id still say greatest penhold forehand goes to lgl or ma Lin but ryu swung mins footwork is the best ever
@@x0cx102 lgl was a pips player so its debatable, however i agree on ma lin tho
@@Time_Lapse_Master. I believe ryu had a strknger forehand, but too stable, Ma Lin forehand was still strong tho
Those service returns toward the end of the videos are very efficient.
FZD learn from it, and he perfected it
As a penholder (NO RPB), this compilation is much appreciated. It's sad they didn't have HD back then but still amazing and fascinating. Thanks very much for the hard work.
Whoever conquers RPB technique conquers table tennis
I am not a fan of rpb it is weak its predictable mid back hand fall on opponent table did you see Olympic games between jpen ryu vs rpb wang hao ryu backhand stronger.current European champion dang qui rpb i still consider just an average.
@@titosarmiento8333 did you see games Wang Hao vs Ryu Seing Mein besides the one on Olympic games? Wang Hao was winning about 90 percent of games against Ryu, and that was almost the only time, when he losed. Wang Hao was only 20 and that was his first Olypic games. The result is compilation of Wang Hao's panic and the fact that Ryu probably demonstrated best performance in his life. But, statistics show that Wang Hao's style was more efficient
@@hawnt2r got it.
@@titosarmiento8333 what is rpb abd ryu?
@@anandkumar00523 reverse penhold backhand.
The only one who was able to beat Ma Long in a rally.
W/o xin
Thanks for the video, well composed!
Love the ball placement at the end. ^^
the backhand is like non-dominant foot valley shot. no one can perform like wang hao.
anatomically the backhand shot is spinny in various way and situations,
but should be unsteady, not speedy and hard to control directions.
wang hao transcendence that facts. every shot is tricky, stable, pierce. pure art
It's not really hard to control... you add more wrist & flick & tricks if you have a good hit at the ball.
Otherwise you can hit it back quite safely.... like Xu Xin & Wang Hao do!
@@shanelawson5072 Xu Xin is less consistent
@@shanelawson5072 i saw the rpb of xu xin it has a lot of potential.srtonger than Wang Hao but he just but not use often he put his rpb just on the sideline.he concentrated more on hi wonderful forehand topspin.xu xin rpb is the strongest i have ever seen.
he is mega gentle with the touch ,
Both sides are Wang Hao's forehand basically.
no, he uses both rubbers
@@Kevin-zl3ci I mean his backhand is as strong as his forehand. And I too, use RPB.
Hao he do that?
Wang Hao is unique in his ability to use the RPB. Unfortunately, this led to entire generations of new players trying blindly to emulate him but not succeeding in achieving nearly the same calibre of RPB use. The dangers of RPB is that, while it is great for the backhand offensive game, it is not the greatest for defense and also requires a great deal of attention. Often RPB penhold players focus so much on the backhand they lose all the benefits of a penhold game (short game and forehand attacks) just to stand in the middle and play like a shakehand player. As good as a RPB can be, it'll never anatomically be even comparable to a shakehand backhand. My opinion is that RPB is a nice trick to add to the penhold repertoire, but not overshadow the penhold style itself.
almost agree. but if we consider just backhand topspin and not the flat attack . rpb is even more anatomically comfortable than shakehand's attack.
and the part i agree the most is that the penholder must focus on the forehand , not the backhand to be succeed .after all penholder , is a penholder and his advantage is still forhand . rpb should have be just an spice .
Absolutely correct
I disagree strongly..the RVP is better than the 'traditional' (1 side of the raquet) penhold grip, and I tried every grip there is over THIRTY YEARS, and including (to me) the bazzare 'Danny Seemiller grip'. At 68, I finally 'found it' at the club level, and fortunately I still have quik footwork and fitness for my age. Wang Hao is my model AND the up and coming teenage French sensation Felix Lebrun, who at 17 has cracked the worlds top 10 with the RVP style.. That says something...
@@bobmalack481Wang Hao couldn't beat Ma Lin in a thousand years because his bh blocking was non existent.Another player with fancy loops and mediocre block was Boll.
Uhh...who again at SEVEN TEEN cracked the worlds top 10?..Teen age French sensation Felix Lebrun with the RVP style like Wang Hao. Argue against that.@@dickn.ormous1064
From my own experience I will say that in order to attack by reverse penhold backhand as well, one must have strong deltoid muscles, otherwise there will be frequent stretching of the shoulder.
RPB is potentially stronger because of that extra wrist flexibility one gets with penhold( same reason the penhold FH is stronger) however to be able to use this potential advantage one needs to develop the technique to bring the wrists into play. Most of us Penholders unconsciously do not use the wrists as much as we should.Also it takes time to learn to use the wrists without messing up your racket angle during the stroke.One clear disadvantage of RPB is defence . Blocking and chopping are not great.
nice points
Yes... definitely better to use the traditional penhold backhand for blocking & chopping if you do get caught on the defensive...
@@Jisescrait33 that is for backhand counter hits. You need wrists for RPB topspin and counter topspin.
Yes exactly! BH Block and chop are better with traditional penhold. So the challenge of penholder player is the agility to choose between RPB or traditional backhand as the ball moves quickly to you. It’s extra decision step in addition to decision on whether to use BH or FH, something that shakehander don’t bother. Wang Hao just ignore traditional penhold altogether and improve his RPB to an unsurpassed level
I think blocking is decent, chopping may be worked but is easier with sh
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1:02 Those points against oh sang-eun feels like practise session.
Oh Sang-eun plays a defensive style.
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My RPB is the 2nd best after Wang Hao's :D
Penhold backhand is much stronger and much more flexible, but its harder to grasp it, not longer in time but harder on mental level, there are a lot of penholders whos backhand in low tier tt players just destroy you..
the real hard thing is trying to mix reverse penholder with the traditional backhand push, esentially what Ma lin did. I play this style and it's very hard to plan out your options ahead of time or make the correct choice between regular push and reverse penhold loop in a split second.
f u google no real name well never had that problem actually, for me it just depends what is my game plan and how far I am from table.
its not stronger but it is more flexible
@@Mr.Mooody How, physics are here at game, wider range of motion, bigger muscle groups involved, and the snapping wrist action... For example Wang Hao is considered best backhand player of his time, because of power.
if you are talking specifically about physical strength then its clear that RPB is not stronger, otherwise Wang Hao would have won 2 Olymppic gold medals considering that he played against 2 traditional penholders that do not even use backhand at all! it simply isnt as strong as Zhang Jike for example@@TomAndyStripe
Only 1 of the best of all time !!!
Wang hao is king!
His Blade and Rubber Setup are not the super OFFENSIVE type...but more of a 'CONTROL' set up. This way he can generate more Control and precision with his RPB and have a higher chance of putting pressure to the opponents with his RPB strokes. His RPB is also very spinny cos of the extra dwell time from the rubber to the ball thanks to his equipment 'CONTROL' setup.
RYU SEUNG MIN's super offensive setup is a CANNON....not as spinny as Wang Hao's slower set up...but man...once he unleashes his devastating Forehand...the Ball shoots like a Cannon ball to the horror of so many opponents!
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Wang Hao may not be the GOAT of all time, but to me he's one of the greatest, and his wonderful RVP style. Maybe the young teenage French sensation Felix Lebrun at 17 is the heir appearant, he just cracked the worlds top 10.
Of course Wang hao is the Myth,The Master,no one could play this fantastic style better than him even XuXin ZhengPifeng,ZhaoZihao,XuFei or XuHaidong though I believe the last ones under supervising and coaching by Master Wang Hao might be able to play as well as Wang Hao!But up to now Wang is the myth of Penhold Grip!
Ma lin bro ma lin
Xu Xin has been looking quite nice with his RPB lately. Don't count him out...
@@berinisdead no bro. He is good no doubt but it's not consistent
Xiu Fei is a disapointment, thought a couple years ago he would be next Wang Hao.
*_YES!_* 10:48 to 11-12 *WOW!*
i knew i was not the only one
I think the main problem is the angle that we need to adjust to hit the ball. Usually we tend to close a lot, making a small angle, so the ball goes to the net
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好视频 good video. w王浩打的很漂亮。please add simplified Chinese title because eng & simplified Chinese are more popular language in the world.
wonderful is one's art
好视频 good video. w王浩打的很漂亮。please add simplified Chinese title because eng & simplified Chinese are more popular language in the world. 加上简体中文是因为简体中文也是世界比较通用语言。 英文和简体中文都是国际语言。
Thanks
Wong Chun Ting's is the best today but it is nowhere near as good as that of Wang Hao.
@@Jisescrait33 no. WCT is better. XX overall game is better which is why he's a top but WCT has a more consistent backhand
@@Jisescrait33 different style, i call XX legs faster than hand, wang hao forehands on both wings.
I hope Europeans try this style of play. Because the threat is huge.
SH backhand is more stable, allows for a bit more power and is superior for blocking. RPB is better at service return flicks and side spin rallies at mid and close range.
RPB backhand definitely is more powerful... not SH backhand
@@RandomGuy-im8zy Yes I agree...
The wrist flexibility gives a greater range of motion of the bat head...
both before & after ball-strike...
That can equate to more speed potentially.
I play shakehand normally, but I try penhold sometimes for fun during training and RPB is even more powerful than my shakehand backhand and my backhand is stronger than my forehand. My shakehand backhand is safer though, espescially for blocking, and it's strong enough at my level anyways.
I do have a own grip that is a hybrid of penhold and shakehand. It's very good for a backhand dominant player, you can hit backhand far into your forehand side. I have only seen 1 elite player use that grip, but I will try learn to use it effectively and replace my shakehand grip in the future.
@@RandomGuy-im8zy Mythical RPB worked well only for Wang Hao.It's like equating average Sh backhand with Kreanga.
@@RandomGuy-im8zy no i don't agree.look at the backhand topspin of japanese players Oda and Tagami really full of power.
0:03 best backhand....missed the shot. haha! He don't have a backhand, both sides are his forehands.
0:45
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Problem with Wang Hao's backhand is that it was not good far from the table. Plus, he tended to always play it in the diagonal, so players like Ma Lin had no difficulty against him, because they expected it.
As a Chinese, I can tell you the actual situation. In fact, Ma Lin has won Wang Hao many times. And Wang Hao won Wang Liqin many times. Wang Liqin Won Ma Lin many times. So, the outcome of the three of them. As a result, Wang Hao did not win the Olympic. Ma Lin did not win the World Championships. Wang Liqin did not win the World Cup.
Actually it was great for mid distance.It's his defense/blocking that was weak.
@@dickn.ormous1064 can you explain.why use defensive blocking when you can do RPB in the mid range instead of blocking it.
Why don't use penhold unless asian players?
not bad,. who is he?
The player that can beat Ma Long
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STILL AND NOW THE HAO WHO HAS STOP HERE AND SO YEARS CAN TO WIN THE MA-LONG