I am with Celemony / Melodyne pretty much since the beginning here in Munich. Still, it surprises me with its features, possibilities and quality. You have produced truly great videos about it. Thank you!
Before Studio, I used to stack vocals manually, changing from screen to screen. Now, I do it exactly like you have just shown, with a minimum of 4 vox tracks. I never knew about the pull down on the fades though. Nice touch. I use EchoBoy also...sweet...lol. Great vid
I felt the “sparkle” go when you took the ‘Brilliance’ down in the harmonic content page. TO ME the doubling lost believability as well as movement there on in. Listening to the character of the voice, its uniqueness, I felt it deserved more than what followed to really bring it home. To Me it sounded thicker, yes, but also duller and somewhat lifeless. His voice tho? Simply superb. Your video? Also superb, thank you. I am not faulting that, and it’s making me think too.
god, Melodyne is a lifesaver... I'd have dropped a paycheque on this plugin for how useful it is... this vid (along with the others I've watched) have been super helpful. I don't even want to know what people did 20 years ago for pitch, timing, sibilance removal on doubles etc... F that hahaha
Thank you for this updated video, I always really like your style and delivery. But, dude, same as a few years ago when you made a very similar video, Revoice Pro does all this in one click. Melodyne is so slow compared to that. You know it's all about workflow and speed and despite what you say, it ain't quick. I've no idea why Melodyne hasn't had this implemented the same as Revoice Pro, it's been a long, long time. Even Cubase has had the align function within it for years which is pretty much one click. Personally, I think Melodyne needs to implement something like this that gives you the option of what kind of double, align, pitch and time in a one click function. Someone is going to come up and do a one click AI app that does it all and better than Revoice, (which is clunky admittedly), why have Celemony just slept on this for so long?
Wild, just came to check this video out from a promo email and there's a track I recorded. Interesting that you chose the M260 over the Telefunken 251. If you're curious, I'm pretty sure the vocal chain was microphone->Tree Audio Gen 1 console->EL8 barely lighting up->Fairchild 670 pushing a bit->Burl BAD8. Thanks for the tips!
As much as I edit vocals in Melodyne, I appreciate the tips. Unfortunately, in my case, a lot of the tracks I get are created by bouncing the repeated parts of the song. So if a good chorus is sung, it is bounced to all the chorus parts in that track. In that event, I don't get any true doubles as displayed in this video so I have to fabricate vocal doubles using the original lead vocal track. Firstly, a double of that track is created. (as shown in the vid) Of course, the initial go-to's are to slightly change the pitch and time of the copied track to separate the exactness. Even though the timing has been changed, the movement is still identical so I may employ a gentle bit of pitch altering flanging or chorusing to add more separation. This has always been a challenging vocal creation, as the cloning programs out there are still a bit sterile. Thanks again.
@@athonygraham8353 Edit > Add Random Deviations sub-menu, you can randomly alter the pitch of the notes currently selected. There are options for how much you want to add. Also if you haven't checked it out, there is another video on this channel from Rich covering harmonies and I think some of the techniques in there work great for doubles as well.
@@xlsxmusic thanks for this. i came to ask if it's possible to create a convincing double from a direct copy and you've answered it. i see you can do the same with timing...brilliant!
It'd be *really handy* if there was an option to display the pitch lines for the grayed-out tracks, as lining up where (and how quickly) a pitch slides to another pitch can be crucial to getting a tight double. Yes, you can enable multiple tracks for editing and see their pitch lines simultaneously, but it's all too easy to accidentally start editing the 'source' track rather than the 'double' when the blobs are following the same melody.
All you have to do is click on the greyed out track while holding Ctrl, (windows). Then both tracks will appear orange with pitch lines. That's the only way you can really use the Time Handle tool effectively to match the pitch lines. Hope this helps
@@spikesguitarcamp Sure, but you're not telling me anything I don't know. I'm making a suggestion to Celemony as to how they could improve Melodyne Studio. Having both tracks active is a nightmare, especially when they're doubles of each other and thus all the blobs overlap. Having multiple active tracks is fine when they're harmonies and non-overlapping. And the 'shift so they don't overlap' control isn't especially helpful either, as now you've got two sets of orange blobs right next to each other, and it's not clear which is which. Very easy to unintentionally edit the blobs on the wrong track. I only want one track active - so I don't accidentally edit the 'good' track - I just want the ability to see the pitch line for the inactive track(s).
Hello, it is already possible to see the pitch curves of multiple doubles. Just enable their orange blobs in the Track Header and click the “Spread Unison” icon in the lower right corner to spread them apart. Hope this helps.
It'd also be real handy if it were possible to copy blobs from one track to another. When doing vocal doubling work, I occasionally run into bits where the singer sang a different word on one of the takes, or did something weird that won't work with the other track(s). As it stands now, I have to make note of the issue, finish my Melodyning, render the clip back to audio, (in my DAW) copy a better version of the offending bit from one of the other tracks, and then re-Melodyne the tracks to pitch & time align the copied bit.
Cross-track copying is actually possible in Melodyne studio. If you need help with that, please contact our support team here: www.celemony.com/support - Thanks!
Rich, I got lost after the introduction.....I understand what the application is supposed to do, the technicalities are getting me a little confused, sounds good though...
How can I use Melodyne to purposely make someone that sings perfect to sing off key? I want to be able to select all notes, then use the tune bar and go negative instead of positive for tuning. It would even be nicer if it could pick random directions for the offset of each note to purposely add a offset to the singer's notes to create a imperfect singer. I have a purpose for this, but to keep the competition low, I will not discuss why I need to do this.
The video is nice. But the singer is out of tune like a broken bell! The right thing to do would be to use Melodyne, to correct the intonation and then do everything else!
I actually think that the personality in the vocal is more important than the pitch in this performance. It’s a shame that the idea of perfectly tuned vocals has overshadowed personality. In the past some really amazing singers would purposely sing a little off to give the performance more feel and emotion. Even a new artist like Charlie XCX understands this, especially when working with perfect digitally produced tracks.
This is what Rich explains in the intro: While the video shows Melodyne studio and its multi-track editing feature (e.g. all tracks in one single window), most techniques from this video can also be applied in smaller Melodyne editions.
The basic concepts and techniques can also be applied in smaller Melodyne editions, as Rich explains in the intro. The multi-track editing window in Melodyne studio just makes things a lot easier.
I am with Celemony / Melodyne pretty much since the beginning here in Munich.
Still, it surprises me with its features, possibilities and quality.
You have produced truly great videos about it. Thank you!
Thanks for the fade tip on the sibilant stuff. I often find that heavy compression defeats the sibilant balance tool so I'm going to try this one out
Before Studio, I used to stack vocals manually, changing from screen to screen. Now, I do it exactly like you have just shown, with a minimum of 4 vox tracks. I never knew about the pull down on the fades though. Nice touch. I use EchoBoy also...sweet...lol. Great vid
Thanks for watching!
I felt the “sparkle” go when you took the ‘Brilliance’ down in the harmonic content page. TO ME the doubling lost believability as well as movement there on in. Listening to the character of the voice, its uniqueness, I felt it deserved more than what followed to really bring it home. To Me it sounded thicker, yes, but also duller and somewhat lifeless. His voice tho? Simply superb. Your video? Also superb, thank you. I am not faulting that, and it’s making me think too.
It pretty much comes down to your personal taste. Of course you are free to use the controls however you like.
This is incredibly helpful. Thank you!
god, Melodyne is a lifesaver... I'd have dropped a paycheque on this plugin for how useful it is... this vid (along with the others I've watched) have been super helpful. I don't even want to know what people did 20 years ago for pitch, timing, sibilance removal on doubles etc... F that hahaha
Thank you for this updated video, I always really like your style and delivery. But, dude, same as a few years ago when you made a very similar video, Revoice Pro does all this in one click. Melodyne is so slow compared to that. You know it's all about workflow and speed and despite what you say, it ain't quick. I've no idea why Melodyne hasn't had this implemented the same as Revoice Pro, it's been a long, long time. Even Cubase has had the align function within it for years which is pretty much one click. Personally, I think Melodyne needs to implement something like this that gives you the option of what kind of double, align, pitch and time in a one click function. Someone is going to come up and do a one click AI app that does it all and better than Revoice, (which is clunky admittedly), why have Celemony just slept on this for so long?
Oh yeah, no doubt. Wouldn't use Melodyne for alignment.
I like the work in this video a lot! Thank you! We hitting the advanced user button in this one 😮❤
Wild, just came to check this video out from a promo email and there's a track I recorded. Interesting that you chose the M260 over the Telefunken 251. If you're curious, I'm pretty sure the vocal chain was microphone->Tree Audio Gen 1 console->EL8 barely lighting up->Fairchild 670 pushing a bit->Burl BAD8. Thanks for the tips!
❤ Rich is a dreamboat.
my only suggestion would be to play the vocal changes you made without the track playing. It was hard to hear some of the subtle changes you made.
As much as I edit vocals in Melodyne, I appreciate the tips. Unfortunately, in my case, a lot of the tracks I get are created by bouncing the repeated parts of the song. So if a good chorus is sung, it is bounced to all the chorus parts in that track. In that event, I don't get any true doubles as displayed in this video so I have to fabricate vocal doubles using the original lead vocal track. Firstly, a double of that track is created. (as shown in the vid) Of course, the initial go-to's are to slightly change the pitch and time of the copied track to separate the exactness. Even though the timing has been changed, the movement is still identical so I may employ a gentle bit of pitch altering flanging or chorusing to add more separation. This has always been a challenging vocal creation, as the cloning programs out there are still a bit sterile.
Thanks again.
Do you know there is a tool in melodyne to automatically create those random deviations in the duplicates?
@@xlsxmusic where is this? You've got me intrigued.
@@athonygraham8353 Edit > Add Random Deviations sub-menu, you can randomly alter the pitch of the notes currently selected.
There are options for how much you want to add.
Also if you haven't checked it out, there is another video on this channel from Rich covering harmonies and I think some of the techniques in there work great for doubles as well.
@@xlsxmusic thanks for this. i came to ask if it's possible to create a convincing double from a direct copy and you've answered it. i see you can do the same with timing...brilliant!
Great tips, and great shirt!
Whoa. I am seriously under utilizing my Studio 5. 😂
Yeah, it’s packed with features. 😎 The good news is you still have so much to explore!
I only have the entry level version of Melodyne that comes pre installed with Studio One. Looks like it might be time for an upgrade.
Really cool song!!!
It'd be *really handy* if there was an option to display the pitch lines for the grayed-out tracks, as lining up where (and how quickly) a pitch slides to another pitch can be crucial to getting a tight double. Yes, you can enable multiple tracks for editing and see their pitch lines simultaneously, but it's all too easy to accidentally start editing the 'source' track rather than the 'double' when the blobs are following the same melody.
All you have to do is click on the greyed out track while holding Ctrl, (windows). Then both tracks will appear orange with pitch lines. That's the only way you can really use the Time Handle tool effectively to match the pitch lines. Hope this helps
@@spikesguitarcamp Sure, but you're not telling me anything I don't know. I'm making a suggestion to Celemony as to how they could improve Melodyne Studio.
Having both tracks active is a nightmare, especially when they're doubles of each other and thus all the blobs overlap. Having multiple active tracks is fine when they're harmonies and non-overlapping. And the 'shift so they don't overlap' control isn't especially helpful either, as now you've got two sets of orange blobs right next to each other, and it's not clear which is which. Very easy to unintentionally edit the blobs on the wrong track.
I only want one track active - so I don't accidentally edit the 'good' track - I just want the ability to see the pitch line for the inactive track(s).
@@boosterpatrol Sorry, misunderstood what you were saying, and yes, that would be a great option.
@boosterpatrol YES YES YES! THIS ONE CELEMONY! The many options for mistakes is worsened by too many blobs.
Hello, it is already possible to see the pitch curves of multiple doubles. Just enable their orange blobs in the Track Header and click the “Spread Unison” icon in the lower right corner to spread them apart. Hope this helps.
Brilliant!
It'd also be real handy if it were possible to copy blobs from one track to another. When doing vocal doubling work, I occasionally run into bits where the singer sang a different word on one of the takes, or did something weird that won't work with the other track(s).
As it stands now, I have to make note of the issue, finish my Melodyning, render the clip back to audio, (in my DAW) copy a better version of the offending bit from one of the other tracks, and then re-Melodyne the tracks to pitch & time align the copied bit.
Completely agree. If it is possible I have never found the way. Very frustrating.
Cross-track copying is actually possible in Melodyne studio. If you need help with that, please contact our support team here: www.celemony.com/support - Thanks!
Nice 👍🏻
Great video
Thank you!
My fav daw
I like the unedited track a lot more
Nice!
Is there a new version of Melodyne in the near future? ( Not that it is necessary; it's amazing software! )
What is the ‘near future’? 😉 There’ll certainly be Melodyne updates in the future, but not so soon.
Rich, I got lost after the introduction.....I understand what the application is supposed to do, the technicalities are getting me a little confused, sounds good though...
Just watch the video over and over again. One day you will understand. 😉
@@celemony Sorry better things to do.......maybe next year...
It's really best to sing the double for real
Sure, if you have the skills or a singer available, then go for it. If not, Melodyne will be there for you to help you out. 🙂
How can I use Melodyne to purposely make someone that sings perfect to sing off key?
I want to be able to select all notes, then use the tune bar and go negative instead of positive for tuning.
It would even be nicer if it could pick random directions for the offset of each note to purposely add a offset to the singer's notes to create a imperfect singer.
I have a purpose for this, but to keep the competition low, I will not discuss why I need to do this.
That’s easy to do. Select your blobs, and go to Edit > Add Random Deviations. There you’ll find a few options for pitch and timing deviations.
This was great, full of information. But that was not a good vocal track to use for this demo, in my opinion.
Got it Stuck in my Head now?… is that good or bad ? ☺️
😂😂
The video is nice. But the singer is out of tune like a broken bell! The right thing to do would be to use Melodyne, to correct the intonation and then do everything else!
I actually think that the personality in the vocal is more important than the pitch in this performance. It’s a shame that the idea of perfectly tuned vocals has overshadowed personality. In the past some really amazing singers would purposely sing a little off to give the performance more feel and emotion. Even a new artist like Charlie XCX understands this, especially when working with perfect digitally produced tracks.
There's some good personality in his voice which is cool, but I have to admit it does sound a bit like Chris Griffin is singing
@@WillyJuniornow if I only knew who Chris Griffin was I would get him a record deal😂
@@kelvynification A character from the extremely popular cartoon series Family Guy
Unless you are willing to pay for top of the line Melodyne Studio, don't bother with this video.
This is what Rich explains in the intro: While the video shows Melodyne studio and its multi-track editing feature (e.g. all tracks in one single window), most techniques from this video can also be applied in smaller Melodyne editions.
It’s literally assistant + up explained in the first 2 minutes from the intro. 😂
bitte in Deutsch, German! Thank You!
Und dann noch in Finnisch, Bulgarisch, Japanisch und Swahili - damit jeder Trottel, der kein Englisch kann, seinen Willen bekommt.
video seems kinda useless if you don't have this version of the program...
The basic concepts and techniques can also be applied in smaller Melodyne editions, as Rich explains in the intro. The multi-track editing window in Melodyne studio just makes things a lot easier.
@@celemony Yes, I know that... the point of the video is being about to match the double.
BS.
Do you look like a bald Mel Gibson, or am I seeing things?
I knew someone who used to ridicule others because he had no creative talent and too much time on his hands.
Sorry, I take it back…
@@garywesthead8561 Yes, he does :D ... and I don't find that offensive or ridiculing him.
What an awful song, though~! .................but spose if you can fix those vocals you can fix anything.
that's just mean.
Nice!