0.3333… = 1 (in base 4)

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  • This is a short, animated visual proof demonstrating the infinite sum of the powers of 1/4.
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    Thanks!
    To see two other versions of this sum, check out
    • Geometric series: sum ...
    • A Hexagonal Geometric ...
    To see the related base 10 fact, check out:
    • 0.999999… = 1
    And to see the related binary fact, check out:
    • Adding powers of 1/2
    To see related base-3 fact, check out:
    • Geometric series: sum ...
    or
    • 0.2222…= 1 (in base 3)
    To see a related base-5 fact, check out
    • 0.4444... = 1 (in base 5)
    This animation is based on a proof by Sunday A. Ajose from the June 1994 issue of Mathematics Magazine (www.jstor.org/... page 230).
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 295

  • @AbhishekBilkanAind
    @AbhishekBilkanAind 8 місяців тому +550

    If only these visuals were available during my college years. Hah!

    • @Devilhunter69
      @Devilhunter69 7 місяців тому +3

      This is high school maths

    • @AbhishekBilkanAind
      @AbhishekBilkanAind 7 місяців тому +8

      @@Devilhunter69 Visuals. Not the curriculum. Visuals of high order calculus was a luxury 15 years ago.

    • @mihailmilev9909
      @mihailmilev9909 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@AbhishekBilkanAindwhat?

    • @AbhishekBilkanAind
      @AbhishekBilkanAind 6 місяців тому

      @@mihailmilev9909 Between 2008-12, internet was a different place. Mathematical or even Engineering visuals and CG were propriety materials of most Universities behind paywall. It wasn't this easy to simply get exact visuals or CG pertaining to your specific question.
      For example, it was quite difficult visualize a complex plane with chalks on board. We learnt the approximated way. But now, you can get a comprehensive video just on youtube about intricacies of complex plane, derivative functions, integral functions, differential equations, and higher order polynomials.
      We had pen, paper and C++.

    • @warguy6474
      @warguy6474 5 місяців тому

      if only these visual sums were helpful. visual proofs are not helpful for your logical reasoning and lead to false proofs.

  • @izzabelladogalini
    @izzabelladogalini 8 місяців тому +433

    This reminds of whenever the fact that 0.999..... =1 there's akways at least half a dozen people in the comments that just won't accept it

    • @f.r.y5857
      @f.r.y5857 7 місяців тому +73

      It's so simple actually.
      let x = 0.999...
      10x = 9.999..
      10x = 9 + x
      9x = 9
      x = 1.

    • @izzabelladogalini
      @izzabelladogalini 7 місяців тому +40

      @@f.r.y5857 yeah I know, that's why I called it a fact as there are several proofs including the one you just cited, my point was that even when you present proofs like that or the ⅓ proof (⅓= 0.333.. 3 x ⅓ = 1 3 x 0.3333...=0.9999.. so 0=9999..= 1) there will still be at least one usually several people who'll still won't accept it and use arguments such as "it can't be" I think the problem they have is not fully appreciating what an infinite series decimal is... I can empathize to an extent as it is hard to think of 0.999... without thinking of the "last 9" even tho you or I know there is no "last 9"

    • @mojaveclimber
      @mojaveclimber 7 місяців тому +16

      It's not equal to 1.

    • @izzabelladogalini
      @izzabelladogalini 7 місяців тому +66

      @@mojaveclimber tell me you're joking ...please

    • @JayTarsia25
      @JayTarsia25 7 місяців тому +21

      It's me. I don't accept it. It is as close to one as possible without being one. It is also close enough for all practical applications...
      But it's not one. I don't care what the "smart" people say.

  • @thebushmaster0544
    @thebushmaster0544 5 місяців тому +109

    0.nnn... is always 1 in base n+1

    • @haipingcao2212_.
      @haipingcao2212_. 5 місяців тому

      Bruh

    • @thebushmaster0544
      @thebushmaster0544 5 місяців тому

      @@haipingcao2212_. wdym bruh?

    • @theiigotriangularround4880
      @theiigotriangularround4880 5 місяців тому +1

      Wht do u mean

    • @thebushmaster0544
      @thebushmaster0544 5 місяців тому

      @@theiigotriangularround4880 for example 0.999... = 1 in base 10 and 0.111... = 1 in base 2

    • @mantacid1221
      @mantacid1221 5 місяців тому +5

      I was just wondering about the generalization into arbitrary base. Completely overlooked this fact.

  • @them4309
    @them4309 6 місяців тому +24

    "Sir, I asked you how many people there are in your dinner party."

  • @journeyofsweettee9593
    @journeyofsweettee9593 5 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for showing me this

  • @edvinbeqari7551
    @edvinbeqari7551 7 місяців тому +39

    Legend has it he is still cutting cubes into four equal pieces.

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +3

      😀🤣

    • @samueljehanno
      @samueljehanno 7 місяців тому +4

      Squares actually

    • @cameronmyron5776
      @cameronmyron5776 5 місяців тому +3

      So what if you cut a cube into 8 equal parts, color in 7 of them, then repeat the process with the 8th piece?

  • @RSLT
    @RSLT 5 місяців тому +4

    Very Interesting ❤️ the animation 👌

  • @DIY_10K
    @DIY_10K 4 місяці тому +3

    "imagine the limiting process" -- we dont know what that means, and "we see that the entire square diagram will be shaded" -- no, we dont, if you just said we only shade 3/4 indefinitely... this is asymptotic, not "take an irrational number and round it to make it rational"

  • @ooouuuccchhh
    @ooouuuccchhh 6 місяців тому +11

    His content is literally awesome

  • @Stos347
    @Stos347 8 місяців тому +9

    Which apps you are using to make these type of animation?

  • @f.r.y5857
    @f.r.y5857 5 місяців тому

    Since |r| < 1 we can use infinite geometric series formula
    Sum = a/(1-r)
    Sum = (¼)/(1-¼)
    Sum = (¼)/(¾)
    Sum = ⅓

  • @priyank5161
    @priyank5161 8 місяців тому +6

    Thats why maths is awesome

    • @bigsiege7684
      @bigsiege7684 5 місяців тому

      It would also be nice to set a limit so that the expression really equals one.

  • @HaceMaster
    @HaceMaster 5 місяців тому +1

    Sir this is Wendy's

  • @ends9138
    @ends9138 7 місяців тому +72

    Same as how 0.9999…=1

    • @purple-47
      @purple-47 6 місяців тому +2

      can you add anything to it to make 0.9999... equal 1, is there a fraction that is equal to it, which there is, divide 0.9999... by 3 and you get 0.3333... which is equal to 1/3 times by 3 = 1 and is also equal to 0.9999...

    • @izzabelladogalini
      @izzabelladogalini 5 місяців тому +1

      @@purple-47 what do you mean "which there is"? ....there is NO fraction you can add to 0.999... (recurring) to make it 1 - or indeed no fraction you can subtract from 1 to make it 0.999.... that's just one more reason to realise they are equal
      0.9999... = 1

    • @purple-47
      @purple-47 5 місяців тому +1

      @@izzabelladogalini "Is there a fraction that is equal to it, which there is." 0.9999... is equal to 3/3, I did not mention anything about adding.

    • @izzabelladogalini
      @izzabelladogalini 5 місяців тому +1

      @@purple-47 excuse me but your first comment literally started with the words "can you add anything ..."
      I loved my maths (yes with an 's' ...I'm British) as a kid and was lucky enough to have a teach who got me through differential calculus, quadratics and the like by age 11 ....got my Bachelor's in applied mathematics age 19 and my Master's in number theory age 21 - after the death of my parents and a need to earn an income I had to drop my objective of a PhD but I've maintained a keen interest.... You're not alone many highly intelligent people have a problem with the concept but if you know maths you know 0.999... actually is equal to 1 even if initially it appears counterintuitive

    • @purple-47
      @purple-47 5 місяців тому

      @@izzabelladogalini I think I might try and learn Differential Calculus today, it might help with a few exams I've got in the next months.

  • @megamaz108
    @megamaz108 7 місяців тому +2

    0.3 repeating=1 in base 4 is the same as 0.9 repeating=1 in base 10 right?

  • @tedn6855
    @tedn6855 6 місяців тому +2

    This works for all bases

  • @mantacid1221
    @mantacid1221 5 місяців тому +1

    I wonder if this can be generalized to other bases?

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  5 місяців тому +1

      See my channel. I have base 3,4,5 and 10 so far. Base 8 in the queue.

  • @akultechz2342
    @akultechz2342 6 місяців тому +2

    3*S for S = sum(1/4ⁿ)

  • @luckytrinh333
    @luckytrinh333 5 місяців тому +2

    Mipmap 😮

  • @Pomegranate_king
    @Pomegranate_king 12 днів тому +1

    So that ((n-0.111111111111...)in base n)=1

  • @douglasauclair3086
    @douglasauclair3086 6 місяців тому +2

    Shared. With my wife and daughters. Because I know they'd appreciate this. #MathDad

  • @2045-z6o
    @2045-z6o 7 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if there's a visual demonstration for every a_n = b/(c)^n where b , c and n are whole numbers. 🤔 (b and c being coprime of course)

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +1

      This video shows one way to get a lot of them (though still some issues trying to use it to get all that you suggest): ua-cam.com/video/bxSCJR6RRxs/v-deo.htmlsi=TBoYBO50p67B0Xvv

  • @bemore2886
    @bemore2886 7 місяців тому +3

    Different ways to do the same thing

  • @marcelmelvin239
    @marcelmelvin239 5 місяців тому +2

    1/3

  • @graywind3277
    @graywind3277 5 місяців тому

    The problem is that this argument for disregarding the remaining unshaded corner point hinges on disregarding the unshaded corner point. It's a circular argument.

    • @williammanning5066
      @williammanning5066 5 місяців тому +1

      It's not circular, limits are already a well-defined construct in mathematics. This video is explaining that the limit approaches 1, and so given what we already understand about limits we can just say this value is equal to 1

  • @showkatahmad3479
    @showkatahmad3479 4 місяці тому +1

    In the same way we can prove 0.99999.....=1

  • @mdkashif1956
    @mdkashif1956 5 місяців тому

    Just use the infinite GP sum = a/(1-r) then u will get the answer

  • @alt3241
    @alt3241 7 місяців тому +5

    It is important to know the formula as degree of accuracy could effect weather or not you have a radiation leak .

  • @PhilosophicalNonsense-wy9gy
    @PhilosophicalNonsense-wy9gy 8 місяців тому +17

    3/4 + 3/4² +... = 1
    1/4 + 1/4² +... = 1/3
    Let n = 4
    1/n + 1/n² +... = 1/(n-1)
    Hence my theory is proven again, which is
    1/n + 1/n² +.. = 1/(n-1)

    • @dougr.2398
      @dougr.2398 7 місяців тому

      where n = integer only, of course

    • @dougr.2398
      @dougr.2398 7 місяців тому +2

      Taylor theorem expansion

    • @mrozan3578
      @mrozan3578 7 місяців тому

      Look up the expansion for 1/(1-x) I'm sure you're going to love it

    • @jwjustjwgd
      @jwjustjwgd 6 місяців тому

      ​@@dougr.2398 doesn't it work for all real n such that |n| > 1 though?

  • @ChefVlahos
    @ChefVlahos 7 місяців тому +2

    I think your target audience needs a bit of an explanation about bases, and the "unit square". To the non-maths person, this is very confusing. Each digit after the decimal is also base 4, so thinking of each 3 as 3/4, and knowing that 4 is written as 10 in base 4 might clear things up.

  • @Ἀντήνωρ
    @Ἀντήνωρ 5 місяців тому +1

  • @Krishna-sn3lj
    @Krishna-sn3lj 8 місяців тому +3

    1

  • @RealComplexity-math
    @RealComplexity-math 4 місяці тому

    so -1/18 in base 1/2 is equal to 1?

  • @bijipeter1471
    @bijipeter1471 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you,sir

  • @violaanderson175
    @violaanderson175 7 місяців тому +1

    Whats tha Base at which pi isnt irrational?

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +4

      Base pi works.

    • @williammanning5066
      @williammanning5066 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@MathVisualProofswell technically it's always irrational, but it doesn't always have an infinite decimal expansion :P

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  5 місяців тому

      @@williammanning5066 yes. For sure. Pi is irrational. I was thinking the question was about pi’s representation but that wasn’t the question l :). Thanks!

  • @johnvine5731
    @johnvine5731 6 місяців тому

    Numbers worry me.

  • @SamuelPearlman
    @SamuelPearlman 4 місяці тому

    Classic. Totally.

  • @shauryasaxena485
    @shauryasaxena485 6 місяців тому

    So it's basically a geometric progression where summation(1/4)^n can be approximated to 1/3 using the formula a/1-r

  • @TruthOfZ0
    @TruthOfZ0 7 місяців тому

    Why in most cases when k>1 the infinite sum of (1/k)^n , when n=1 to infinity=1/(k-1) ??? Hmm???

  • @UndergroundRap4eva
    @UndergroundRap4eva 7 місяців тому +1

    Now I need an aspirin 😅

    • @rlewis1946
      @rlewis1946 7 місяців тому

      I need the extra strength dosage. I listen and watched this video three times and I can feel a really bad headache coming on. (Thought I must admit the video and the creator’s logic are brilliant.)

  • @Life2Live4u
    @Life2Live4u 6 місяців тому +1

    Интересно

  • @sampyke7751
    @sampyke7751 6 місяців тому

    Wouldn't that be equal to 0.4 not 1 because it's only 4 sections not 10

  • @ajeybakshi
    @ajeybakshi 7 місяців тому +18

    Leaving 0.99999... = 1?

    • @Thesilentone88
      @Thesilentone88 7 місяців тому +1

      That is how it is

    • @davedixon2068
      @davedixon2068 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Thesilentone88 its still approximately not precisely

    • @cyphercrit5827
      @cyphercrit5827 5 місяців тому +2

      0.999999.. is actually precisely 1

    • @mrfancyshmancy
      @mrfancyshmancy 4 місяці тому

      @@davedixon2068 If you did this for any real number of times, no matter how big, you'd be correct in saying it's an approximation. HOWEVER if you got to infinity the approximation becomes an equality.
      A nice way to think of it is to ask: "what number falls between 1 and 0.99....?" there is none, atleast no real number (we'll ignore the hyper reals cus it's kinda na invented number)

    • @davedixon2068
      @davedixon2068 4 місяці тому

      @@mrfancyshmancy it is still not 1, it is some infinitesimal point off 1 so therefore not 1

  • @secret.mission
    @secret.mission 7 місяців тому +2

    What does he mean by "in the limit, the entire square will be shaded"?

    • @theswayzeexpress1
      @theswayzeexpress1 6 місяців тому

      It means that if you continue to the process infinitely, we can effectively treat the square as though it is fully shaded in.

    • @MalfunctionNeo
      @MalfunctionNeo 5 місяців тому

      It means precisely the opposite of that, the limit of a convergent series, is the closest value it approaches without ever being able to exceed (gregoire we saint Vincent - "The terminus of a progression is the end of the series, which none progression can reach, even not if she is continued in infinity, but which she can approach nearer than a given segment.")

  • @ravsuri7249
    @ravsuri7249 7 місяців тому

    Where does this fall apart for other fractions? Say 2/3

  • @minhhungle7488
    @minhhungle7488 6 місяців тому +3

    And 0.777777… = 1 in base 8

  • @futureman3628
    @futureman3628 7 місяців тому

    Interesting an i like the visual but i often what what application this has

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому

      The geometric series formula (of which this is one example only) has an amazing range of applications.

  • @codywohlers2059
    @codywohlers2059 7 місяців тому

    It's negative 1. Which doesn't work well with a visual proof lol

  • @natthanonknot2974
    @natthanonknot2974 5 місяців тому +2

    0.99999999999... = 1

    • @hodayfa000h
      @hodayfa000h 4 місяці тому

      Shouldn't it be:
      0.999999...?
      Oh, youtube flips my numbers because i have arabic as default... stupid

  • @destroyer1661
    @destroyer1661 7 місяців тому

    Or you could use infinite sum of gp
    =a/1-r

  • @NateAtrocity
    @NateAtrocity 5 місяців тому

    my brain. ouch.

  • @jdk4914
    @jdk4914 8 місяців тому +1

    only reason this irks me is because “indefinite” is a dubious term. As soon as I ask how many times you’ve measured it, it’s definite, and that teeny tiny piece is still missing if I zoom all the way in.

    • @alfzki
      @alfzki 7 місяців тому +2

      That's why the square is only a representation of infinite sum. You can't show infinity in real life(or via a computer at least)

  • @dougr.2398
    @dougr.2398 7 місяців тому

    How does one get to the base 4 representation? I think it is 0.3 + 0.03 + 0.003 etc

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +1

      Base 4 representation uses
      Powers of 4 and not powers of 10

  • @DozierLee
    @DozierLee 7 місяців тому

    Question is: does nature have infinite zoom?

    • @CarlBach-ol9zb
      @CarlBach-ol9zb 7 місяців тому +2

      No, it doesn't. But we are doing maths in a math world.

  • @BudgieFan101
    @BudgieFan101 5 місяців тому

    Sum 41

  • @deleted-something
    @deleted-something 7 місяців тому

    Makes sense for every base tbh

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +1

      Yep. I have base 3,4, 5 and 10 all in the channel so far :)

  • @pizza8725
    @pizza8725 7 місяців тому +2

    Really 0.xxxxxxxxx=x+1 in a x+1 base(x is a number from 0 to 8)

  • @menachemporter5367
    @menachemporter5367 6 місяців тому

    If , as many claim, 0.999999.... =1,
    What is (1+1/0.99999......)^0.99999.......?
    Surely it is equal to 2

    • @FrostFlame75
      @FrostFlame75 6 місяців тому +2

      Correct

    • @davedixon2068
      @davedixon2068 5 місяців тому

      @@FrostFlame75 So if I put 9,999$ into the bank I can take out 10000$ the following day because that's close enough, or am I missing something here, like reality?

    • @FrostFlame75
      @FrostFlame75 5 місяців тому +2

      @@davedixon2068 the difference is that 9.9 repeating goes on to infinity where you were 9,999 does not

    • @FrostFlame75
      @FrostFlame75 5 місяців тому

      You could add another number onto the end of your amount of money whereas with 9.9 repeating there is no end for you to add a number onto.

    • @williammanning5066
      @williammanning5066 5 місяців тому

      ​@@davedixon2068the difference between 9999 and 10,000 is 1. The difference between 0.99... and 1 is 0.

  • @SkyeTheSapphicWizard
    @SkyeTheSapphicWizard 6 місяців тому

    Odd way to make the bi flag

  • @robdom91
    @robdom91 5 місяців тому +4

    Approaching a value infinitely does not make it equal. It's like that delivery I ordered from China. It's only approaching. It was approaching six months ago, it was approaching a year and a half ago. It's still approaching. It's not here yet...

  • @aespekson6556
    @aespekson6556 7 місяців тому

    I understand that the limit will approach 1, but saying that it is equal to one is like saying that f(c)=limf(x) as x approaches c. Or am I wrong somehow? I know that in the AP exam for ap calculus they'll mark you as wrong if you do that because it isn't true. Also, no matter how far you take it, no matter what n you are at, there will always be a portion of the square that is not shaded, making it not 1. The limit will approach 1, but there is a difference between the limit approaching 1 and it being equal to 1. I'm not prideful tho, so if I'm wrong somehow, please tell me.

    • @MathVisualProofs
      @MathVisualProofs  7 місяців тому +6

      limits are fixed values. So the limit is 1. In this case, the sequence of partial sums will approach 1 (which is the limit of the sequence). But the limit itself is 1. The infinite sum of a series is defined to be the limit of the sequence of partial sums, so here when we say the infinite sum equals 1, we mean the limit equals 1. Limits don't approach things; things approach limits.

  • @inhnguyenminhkhoa4241
    @inhnguyenminhkhoa4241 8 місяців тому

    What the fuq is a base?

    • @inhnguyenminhkhoa4241
      @inhnguyenminhkhoa4241 8 місяців тому +1

      @@cyrus1586 so binary and decimal are bases? I (somehow) think that decimal was the universal accepted way of counting

    • @iambadatcomingupwithcomeba2060
      @iambadatcomingupwithcomeba2060 8 місяців тому

      @@inhnguyenminhkhoa4241it is for most things now but for computers it is base 2 and a lot of cultures have used different bases in the past

    • @juliavixen176
      @juliavixen176 8 місяців тому

      ​@@inhnguyenminhkhoa4241 Yes, binary, decimal, hexadecimal, etc. are notational bases for writing numerical quantities. Different cultures at various times in history have used base-12, base-20, and base-60 positional writing systems for numbers. In modern English speaking cultures, we are using base-10. You can still see some historical artifacts of other number bases, for example, the existence of the words "eleven" and "twelve" rather than "one-teen" and "two-teen". Also words like "dozen", "gross", and "score"... like "Four score and seven years ago", and how there are sixty seconds in a minute, and sixty minutes in an hour, and twenty four hours in a day -- twelve hours for day, and twelve hours for night.

    • @aespekson6556
      @aespekson6556 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@inhnguyenminhkhoa4241 Yes, binary and decimal are both bases, being base two and base ten respectively. Hexadecimal is another base, base 16. You very rarely use other bases, but playing around with them can be fun.

  • @SunsetRedstone
    @SunsetRedstone 7 місяців тому +1

    Only near One but it will Never be one

    • @mrfancyshmancy
      @mrfancyshmancy 4 місяці тому

      It will at infinity, like how he does for the INFINITE sum

  • @patrikn8667
    @patrikn8667 7 місяців тому +1

    When do you colour in that last 1/4 of the square though?

    • @gaopinghu7332
      @gaopinghu7332 7 місяців тому

      Mathematicians cheat. That's the truth about it.
      They do all of it in one go. Axiom of choice. Look it up.

    • @badorni69
      @badorni69 7 місяців тому

      You don't, but it's area is 0, so the area colored is still the full thing

  • @petevenuti7355
    @petevenuti7355 7 місяців тому

    I still say theres a difference, but you can never, never ever, tell the difference.

  • @thsterrain
    @thsterrain 5 місяців тому

    ????????????????

  • @victorpaesplinio2865
    @victorpaesplinio2865 6 місяців тому

    I love how other number bases can help to solve infinite sums. I realized this thing one day while studying "decimals" in other number bases. Basically if m is the largest digit in base m+1, then the number 0.mmmmmmmmm...=1 in that base.

  • @WerewolfLord
    @WerewolfLord 7 місяців тому

    Like 0.999… =1; or for any base (n+1), 0.nnn… =1 (0.111… =1 in base 2; 0.FFF… =1 in base 16, etc.)

  • @DemonKing19951
    @DemonKing19951 7 місяців тому

    I'll admit, I looked it up before and there is a concept for an infinitely small value above or below zero but... Functionally it's just fluff to rewrite things as .9 repeating + something. Still for fiction purposes it's a great concept to draw inspiration from.

  • @mpjstuff
    @mpjstuff 5 місяців тому

    This should also allow us to solve for 0 by borrowing a bit from the future and the past.

  • @kovko69
    @kovko69 6 місяців тому

    This problem makes it harder than it actually is, and the visuals here should help to unmask it. You're basically taking the whole thing from the get-go, since you're continuing to take 3/4 of whatever remains after each step, which literally leaves nothing to be set aside. Whatever isn't taken in one step will be subdivided by the same amount in the subsequent step, and whatever's remaining there will be subdivided in the next step by the same amount, ad infinitum.

  • @borandiUK
    @borandiUK 7 місяців тому

    No such thing as one fourth. It's a quarter.

    • @officialteaincorporated243
      @officialteaincorporated243 7 місяців тому +5

      One fourth is a correct term.

    • @howardg2010
      @howardg2010 6 місяців тому

      ​@@officialteaincorporated243 Do you also use 'one twoth' instead of 'one half'.

    • @officialteaincorporated243
      @officialteaincorporated243 6 місяців тому +3

      @@howardg2010 No, because twoth isn't a real word. One second would be a valid term if it were not used for both time and rankings as well, making it extremely ambiguous. While I mainly say quarter, fourth is a completely valid and unambiguous term.

  • @googleevil9553
    @googleevil9553 7 місяців тому

    Then 4.444444.. = 27

  • @logos1.618
    @logos1.618 8 місяців тому

    When you think about it, its a very strage conception of "equals." How can these squares that never ultimately reach the complete whole somehow equal the whole?
    What does equal mean if this is true?

    • @PaoloDalCengio
      @PaoloDalCengio 7 місяців тому

      Here you can find many ways of showing that 1 = 0.(9) from intuitive arguments to mathematically rigorous proofs. I like the one using fraction 1/3. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999

  • @pasques
    @pasques 6 місяців тому

    He took the other surfaces and slid them on top of each other then asserted that it means 1/3. That's not how this works.

    • @mcglasses02
      @mcglasses02 5 місяців тому

      Was wondering if anyone else was gonna say that

  • @herbertadams8433
    @herbertadams8433 6 місяців тому

    It works in math, but if you need 1 full something to have something work (to travel to some point, to power something, to finish a task) then .99999999 repeating means you will always be just an nth away from finishing.

    • @FrostFlame75
      @FrostFlame75 6 місяців тому +1

      0.999999... is actually equal to 1

  • @ahmadmneimneh
    @ahmadmneimneh 5 місяців тому +1

    The limit will never reach what it's trying to approach, so they will never be equal to 1

    • @paradox9551
      @paradox9551 5 місяців тому +3

      that's not how limits work

    • @mrfancyshmancy
      @mrfancyshmancy 4 місяці тому

      Quite literally, the opposite of how limits are used. You'd be right in saying that it approaches 1 if we do this a finite number of times, no matter how big. HOWEVER once you do it infinitely you will get an equality.

  • @MistaTurdburgerz
    @MistaTurdburgerz 6 місяців тому +1

    But the last square is never shaded

    • @mrbojangles4155
      @mrbojangles4155 6 місяців тому +1

      The concept of infinity leaves us with an unshaded square with zero area

    • @MalfunctionNeo
      @MalfunctionNeo 5 місяців тому +2

      which is a nonsense... If the 1/4th has zero area, then the 3/4 also has zero area, and so on and so forth back down the line until you're further and further from 1, rendering your proof false and invalid... That's why this is a LIMIT of the geometric series, and not the VALUE, the value at n is 1-1/4^n, no matter how infinitesimal it is, there is always another potential digit that could be added at n+1 that separates the geometric series from the number 1, numbers do not have a planck length, they have no conceivable minimum size.

  • @samurai2871
    @samurai2871 7 місяців тому +1

    Except it is not fully shaded, there will always be an infinitesimal area that is unshaded.

    • @diestormlie
      @diestormlie 7 місяців тому +5

      That's where and why the talk of Limits came into it.

    • @DisguisedParrot
      @DisguisedParrot 7 місяців тому +1

      unless you find any point inside of the square's area that is not shaded (which is impossible) its is exactly 1!

    • @mrfancyshmancy
      @mrfancyshmancy 4 місяці тому

      Not if we go to infinity like in this video (or if we use hyper reals which we don't cus that would've been made clear)

  • @AnAbsolutelyRandomGuy
    @AnAbsolutelyRandomGuy 7 місяців тому +2

    I don't agree. Why? Because there is ALWAYS one point that is not filled. Even after infinite amount of these you can still fit infinitely more 3/4

    • @Ostup_Burtik
      @Ostup_Burtik 7 місяців тому +2

      Dude, it is ∞.
      And it is really 1, not smaller/bigger.

    • @DisguisedParrot
      @DisguisedParrot 7 місяців тому +3

      You don't have to agree, also unless you find any point inside of the square's area that is not filled (which is impossible) its is exactly 1!

    • @badorni69
      @badorni69 7 місяців тому +1

      Any single point you can possibly give, it will be filled after a finite amount of steps, so when saying "after infinite steps" those will all be filled

    • @mirkotorresani9615
      @mirkotorresani9615 7 місяців тому +2

      Math does not care about you agreeing or not.

    • @graywind3277
      @graywind3277 5 місяців тому

      ​@@badorni69The very corner, the point directly adjacent to two sides of the perimeter, will never be filled. Each step shades 3 of the squares and always leaves behind the corner, meaning that no matter how many steps take place the point where two sides of the square meet will always be left unshaded.

  • @dustinsherburne8546
    @dustinsherburne8546 7 місяців тому

    Ah I see, 1/4 = 1/3

  • @ChrstphreCampbell
    @ChrstphreCampbell 6 місяців тому

    You’re falsely assuming there is this thing called; “At Infinity” - which contradicts The premise of “Infinity” ( ? )

  • @paulflute
    @paulflute 7 місяців тому

    clever language tricks.. but not true ..

  • @adamosburn754
    @adamosburn754 7 місяців тому

    If you do that infinitely, you always have an infinitesimally small piece that is missing. At some point, the piece becomes of a scale so small, it becomes insignificant, as the measuring tool is larger than the thing needed to measure. It approaches 4, though, as it is always 3+x filled in, but never fills in the fourth square. You may say the compared unit is one square, but it is made of 2 left and 1 right or 2 bottom and 1 top. The final is 1, as the limit approaches 1 on the lower scale, but by comparison, the overall (on the larger scale) approaches 4.

  • @tyler1250
    @tyler1250 7 місяців тому

    Wrong

    • @mirkotorresani9615
      @mirkotorresani9615 7 місяців тому

      Ehm no. It's very true. And math doesn't really care about you believing it or nor

  • @jegankandiah5877
    @jegankandiah5877 7 місяців тому

    However I don’t like what’s written at the bottom of the vid. Cause it’s not true!😊

  • @tomjardine-smith2793
    @tomjardine-smith2793 7 місяців тому

    I mean yeah, but also no surely? Why is there a limit? It's infinite. Very very very very very very nearly 1 doesn't equal 1 😂

    • @tomjardine-smith2793
      @tomjardine-smith2793 7 місяців тому

      Don't get me wrong, I get that in _practical terms_ sure yeah it's 1. But surely if we assume some make believe infinitely scaling mathematical world, it's not 1

    • @badorni69
      @badorni69 7 місяців тому

      No, every single point you can possibly give, will be filled after some finite amount of steps, therefore after "infinite" steps all those points will be filled

    • @tomjardine-smith2793
      @tomjardine-smith2793 7 місяців тому

      But surely any finite is smaller than any infinite? So if there's infinitely small space you can't fill it with a finite number of steps

    • @badorni69
      @badorni69 7 місяців тому

      @@tomjardine-smith2793 I mean if you want to look at it that way, that infinitely small space also has an infinitely small area, so the area covered is still the same size as the full area

  • @leopavlov7165
    @leopavlov7165 6 місяців тому

    I believe it's not. It will be infinitely close to 1, but not 1.

  • @phasomyr
    @phasomyr 6 місяців тому

    Math is dumb