End result, seriously professional looking tool holders. Nicely done. No lathe in my shop, unfortunately, otherwise I'd have to be building a set of my own.
Impressive and inspiring work. I really like that you left your mistakes in the video - helps those of us who are starting out realize that everyone makes them :) Keep up the great work, looking forward to more videos!
Love it......you are an inspiration for others....next up on my list is a Precision Matthews Lathe and also a PM milling machine.....10/10. Regards. Rich...UK.
Hey man that stock will not be square doing it that way. You need to have a floating lead Edge after you square off one at you place that to the back of the vise and then to float the front edge put a piece of brass brazing rod in between the front edge and the Vise Jaw that way it will bring the top into perfect square you keep doing that and then flip it over to do the opposite side. It's hard to describe how to do this I believe there's probably a lot of videos about doing this. But when you clamp something up in a vice you're transferring it's out of square surfaces to the one you're cutting.
Nice job on the tool holders! I particularly appreciate you showing all the steps--often the machinist gurus assume we don't want to see that "boring" stuff and leave it out. I, for one, then don't know what it really looks like or how long it might take to do it.Thank you!
Those tool holders, and the post both came out beautifully. Also, i'm new-ish to machining and never thought to align your cutting point with a center in the tailstock, so thanks for teaching me that. I usually get my turning tool aligned by eye (with skim cut), then scribe a line with it to align the others.
Den blöden Hebel oben habe ich abgebaut der wurde irgendwann krumm und fiel dann ab. Hab mir die obere Etage auf eine Schlüsselweite 27 gefräst und kann seitdem ordentlich anziehen.
Very nicely done. What thread pitch did you use for set screws? I think the piston type tool post is not the best design. If your cutting tool bits are optimal size the piston ideally will be pushing in the center of the tool holder to lock it in place but what if you have variety of tool bits range in size from 1/4 to 1/2" like I do? You need to adjust the height and now the piston is pressing somewhere in the top or the bottom of tool holder which is uneven pressure. I think I am going to save money and get wedge type tool post and make tool holders myself like you did.
Good stuff. Advice from experience, never cut both sides of a dovetail at once if you can keep from it, use plenty of coolant or cutting fluid and use an insert tool if you can get one (pricey unless you know you’re going to cut a lot of dovetails in the future). You did a great job as is so feel free to ignore me completely. 😁 Edit: I love that you layout your geometry before trusting the computer.
To saw off stock I can recommend the carbide cold cut circular saws over band saws. They are faster, much less bulky with the same capacity and cheaper. The carbide tips will strip if the work twists during the cut. So clamp it down securely.
Just buying a wedge type tool post would have been a better solution. Piston type post will dive when taking heavy cut due to the gap in the dovetail. Wedge type not so much as the dovetail area is filled by the wedge. Much like locking a slide via the gib when maximum rigidity is required.
Mm yes thanks that is a bit expensive for inferior quality plus the OZZI dollars is only 70 us at least they were a good template again Chris a Great job well done l wish I had a mill.cheers Keith.
I understand what you are suggesting, however it makes a certain amount of sense, at least to me to leave that operation till the time you decide what sort of tools you are going to mount in the holders. Hope that makes sense. I have just come in from my shed, I spent the day making holders for the QCTP I have just completed for my Lathe. They are all without final machining until I work out the tool I most need. Then I can machine to suit. Just my thoughts. Cheers from John, Australia.
gh778jk Haha, the music has gotten better over the months. It's very difficult to get music that won't get your videos taken down automatically by UA-cam's ContentID filters. :-/
Good work, which is the material you used in the middle of quick change tool? It seem that is steel but you used some parts in aluminium and I have a doubt about this...
Oh !! Good Job are you doing In the past i have an problem with my wobbling Toolpost, and i am very agree off tem So i make the same as You with max 1/100 gap and i am very Happy.
Grab one of the Grizzly dial-type height gauges, as they are quite affordable. Or if you want an American-made one, they seem to come up quite frequently on the Facebook Home Machine Shop groups' pages.
Nice work Chris. is that for a Chinese mini lathe? I too had a band saw problem so I got a used Milwaukee portaband and am working on a stand for it. They are good for small stuff 5x5 is the area of cut. Guess that will be next project. Thanks for vid
Chris, I'm late to the game here but watched with great interest thinking, I need to make some of these. I use BXA holders so I started pricing normalized 4140 flat bar for 5 holders, WOW! Then I have to machine it, harden it, blue it, maybe grind it. There's something to be said for DYI but how far does one go? I can buy BXA #1 holders, made in USA (CA), hardened and ground, for less then $20 each to my door. No way I can make them for that. The cost of 4140 is outrageous. My local suppliers only have it in 1" thickness. Shipping makes online prohibitive. Life sucks. Oh, loved what you did here.
I've watched this a few times now, I see how the pins are pushed out by the cam, but once you pull the handle and lock in the tool holder to the tool post, what mechanism keeps the entire unit from twisting left or right? If there were two handles, one for the cam that pushes the pins out, and the other that screws down the center bolt. How does the center bolt lock down at the same time the cam is locked?
+ac3r787 The plans are available online for free here: www.wilmontgrinders.com/Pages/EERFGrinder.aspx Or you can buy a kit from Polarbearforge like I did for less than what a local shop with a water jet would charge me JUST to cut it out; I'd still have to buy the steel. www.polarbearforge.com/grinder_kit_order.html
The fundamental mechanical design of this type of tool post is very sound: Female dove tail in the tool holder, and male dove tail on the tool post. Some very high end manufacturers reverse this arrangement, making it a less rigid design. The only thing open to criticism is the holder's clamping arrangement; which pushes the holder out and away from the post's largest locating surfaces, putting the dove tails under tension. From a stress and accuracy point of view this arrangement is not desirable. A better arrangement is the sliding wedge type, but is much more difficult to produce in the home work shop. An alternate, and most satisfactory arrangement is to provide for a finger clamp that pushes against the rear inner dove tail surface of the tool holder. This would pull the holder tightly into the front dovetail slot, bearing on the wide and angled surfaces. The tool holder is also forced tightly against the large rear locating surface, making for a very rigid and accurate/repeatable assembly. Another improvement is to put a thin roller bearing thrust washer under the head of the post's clamping bolt, bearing on the top surface of the post. This reduces the likelihood of the post's turning while tightening this bolt. It also reduces the required tightening torque on this bolt (or nut) tremendously! One more improvement is to use 1/4-20UNC square headed set screws for tool clamping, thus eliminating picking swarf from the screw sockets. Strangely I found this little task particularly irritating. I've built such a tool post which has been in use for 30 years now.
Okay so you copied the old QTPC and you made a great work...but.. There are two systems of QCTPs the ones that push the holder away from the main body and second the ones that hold him towards the main body to clamp him like Multifix and all the pro' s ones...the second ones have the best repeatability... If you think about it at the first way forces work all on the one stud behind the holder he can be as strong as he wants on the second way the forces divide on the whole main body and that's where good rigidity comes from. I was in the same situation as you i bought the aluminum one and wanted to make a steel one... but a buddy hes a professional explained me the difference... There are several free plans on the internet of QTPC working with clamping the holder towards the main body.. Always look when you see a QTPC which system he has and then you know how good his repeatability will be.. I ended up buying a Multifix from Germany... But..there are also good ones with dovetails... As long as you work with the mini lathe the forces are normally not that strong and this system could be enough especially when repeatability isn't so important for the things you do. Nevertheless good work dude...
Ahh the endless cycle of upgrading your toolholders because your current ones can't handle your lathe, just to upgrade your lathe because now your toolholders is handling it no probelm.
Beautiful tool post and holders! Very professional looking workmanship.
Very nice work. I approves.
Now you made me want a proper mill AND lathe even more.
I am a critic, and you Sir, made an excellent video! I love your use of the high speed footage to keep it from getting boring.
This is like watching an artist making a paint...pure art, amazing!
End result, seriously professional looking tool holders. Nicely done. No lathe in my shop, unfortunately, otherwise I'd have to be building a set of my own.
+Fred U. Thanks!
Impressive and inspiring work. I really like that you left your mistakes in the video - helps those of us who are starting out realize that everyone makes them :) Keep up the great work, looking forward to more videos!
Love it......you are an inspiration for others....next up on my list is a Precision Matthews Lathe and also a PM milling machine.....10/10.
Regards.
Rich...UK.
Awesome, Rich! :)
Nice idea. Will have to try it
Well done ! I enjoy watching other craftsmen.
Excellent work Chris well done, you should go into production
Tony
lovely Job …. and Beautiful Music … !!!
hey man, this is really awesome work, very pleased to see that.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Good job, Chris.
Ficou excelente!!!!!!!!! Parabéns.
BRAVO great work! tnx for sharing!
Very high-quality work and amazing music!
With Respect from Russia!!!
Hey man that stock will not be square doing it that way. You need to have a floating lead Edge after you square off one at you place that to the back of the vise and then to float the front edge put a piece of brass brazing rod in between the front edge and the Vise Jaw that way it will bring the top into perfect square you keep doing that and then flip it over to do the opposite side. It's hard to describe how to do this I believe there's probably a lot of videos about doing this. But when you clamp something up in a vice you're transferring it's out of square surfaces to the one you're cutting.
Lot of work there Chris, very helpful, it's great when you can produce your own tools 👍, I've subscribed
Nice job on the tool holders! I particularly appreciate you showing all the steps--often the machinist gurus assume we don't want to see that "boring" stuff and leave it out. I, for one, then don't know what it really looks like or how long it might take to do it.Thank you!
+Randy Draper You're welcome!
Those tool holders, and the post both came out beautifully. Also, i'm new-ish to machining and never thought to align your cutting point with a center in the tailstock, so thanks for teaching me that. I usually get my turning tool aligned by eye (with skim cut), then scribe a line with it to align the others.
Happy to help! Just do make sure your tailstock is perfectly aligned with your chuck. :P
Den blöden Hebel oben habe ich abgebaut der wurde irgendwann krumm und fiel dann ab. Hab mir die obere Etage auf eine Schlüsselweite 27 gefräst und kann seitdem ordentlich anziehen.
Very nicely done. What thread pitch did you use for set screws? I think the piston type tool post is not the best design. If your cutting tool bits are optimal size the piston ideally will be pushing in the center of the tool holder to lock it in place but what if you have variety of tool bits range in size from 1/4 to 1/2" like I do? You need to adjust the height and now the piston is pressing somewhere in the top or the bottom of tool holder which is uneven pressure. I think I am going to save money and get wedge type tool post and make tool holders myself like you did.
Nice job man they look brilliant
Good stuff. Advice from experience, never cut both sides of a dovetail at once if you can keep from it, use plenty of coolant or cutting fluid and use an insert tool if you can get one (pricey unless you know you’re going to cut a lot of dovetails in the future). You did a great job as is so feel free to ignore me completely. 😁
Edit: I love that you layout your geometry before trusting the computer.
Just Another ! Copy ! That all ready Exits !
Excellent machining and videography.
Seriously good work! I've been working up the nerve to make my own QCTP. Soon, very soon.
Thanks!
well done. Great work
Brilliant job!!!
awesome video, and awesome music.
To saw off stock I can recommend the carbide cold cut circular saws over band saws. They are faster, much less bulky with the same capacity and cheaper. The carbide tips will strip if the work twists during the cut. So clamp it down securely.
Just buying a wedge type tool post would have been a better solution.
Piston type post will dive when taking heavy cut due to the gap in the dovetail. Wedge type not so much as the dovetail area is filled by the wedge. Much like locking a slide via the gib when maximum rigidity is required.
Excellent job
Mm yes thanks that is a bit expensive for inferior quality plus the OZZI dollars is only 70 us at least they were a good template again Chris a Great job well done l wish I had a mill.cheers Keith.
I would have milled the tool slots before cutting the bar into pieces. Then fly cut 2 at a time to dimension and drill and tap 2 at a time.
I understand what you are suggesting, however it makes a certain amount of sense, at least to me to leave that operation till the time you decide what sort of tools you are going to mount in the holders. Hope that makes sense.
I have just come in from my shed, I spent the day making holders for the QCTP I have just completed for my Lathe. They are all without final machining until I work out the tool I most need. Then I can machine to suit. Just my thoughts.
Cheers from John, Australia.
Excellent job!
you make machines come alive!
Man your videos are top notch, dont get why so few subs. Bound to change tho :) keep it up
Great job! I would love to subscribe.... but I fear with this background 'music' I couldn't afford the medication !
Paddy
gh778jk Haha, the music has gotten better over the months. It's very difficult to get music that won't get your videos taken down automatically by UA-cam's ContentID filters. :-/
Then don't have music - problem solved. Talk to the job in detail.
would you prefer the interrupted beat crap on most videos?
the music is fine it reminds me of retro games.
Your computer as no volume control on it? Spend the money on a new computer!
thank you
Nice work!
Muito bom ,
belissimo trabalho muito show
What milling machine do you use it seems really solid and smooth?
You've got some skills!
+Shane K Thanks!
Good work, which is the material you used in the middle of quick change tool? It seem that is steel but you used some parts in aluminium and I have a doubt about this...
After using the wedge type for a long time.. I wouldn’t/couldn’t use a piston type, not even if I was offered to be paid.
Nice work tho’
nice work mate
Oh !!
Good Job are you doing
In the past i have an problem with my wobbling Toolpost, and i am very agree off tem
So i make the same as You with max 1/100 gap and i am very Happy.
Awesome work man, kudos to you!
Now go buy a granite plate and height gauge...
;)
I have the plate!
Grab one of the Grizzly dial-type height gauges, as they are quite affordable. Or if you want an American-made one, they seem to come up quite frequently on the Facebook Home Machine Shop groups' pages.
Nice work Chris. is that for a Chinese mini lathe? I too had a band saw problem so I got a used Milwaukee portaband and am working on a stand for it. They are good for small stuff 5x5 is the area of cut. Guess that will be next project. Thanks for vid
+David Aarons Thanks! Yes it is, and yes, I need a band saw soon.
What song is this? I searched this band camp for it and couldn't find the album
sir! what lubricant, when cutting a thread?
Yellow type ! Lube
Exactly as I set all of my tool posts, loctite the adjustment screw.
very nice... they came out looking like something you pay big bucks for at the tool shop
I bought the exact same aluminium tool holder. Would like to make my own as you have. Do you still have the drawings?
The Drawings are all in the Video !
Отличная работа !!!
Chris, I'm late to the game here but watched with great interest thinking, I need to make some of these. I use BXA holders so I started pricing normalized 4140 flat bar for 5 holders, WOW! Then I have to machine it, harden it, blue it, maybe grind it. There's something to be said for DYI but how far does one go? I can buy BXA #1 holders, made in USA (CA), hardened and ground, for less then $20 each to my door. No way I can make them for that. The cost of 4140 is outrageous. My local suppliers only have it in 1" thickness. Shipping makes online prohibitive. Life sucks. Oh, loved what you did here.
So now you made one what would you charge to make another?
Can you describe and show how the "cam action" works for both the wedge and piston type holder? Thank you.
nicely done! did I see a hoodie with strings dangling? I wore that to shop class once and got chewed out about safety. ;-)
First class training video.
Muito bom parabems 👍👍👍👍👊
fantastic job Chris, I suppose that was a CNC mill?
I looked at these tool posts and holders on ebay, they are £115.00 in the U.K.
Yes, but just two axis.
So why Is that such a Problem ;? Then !
muito bom...super....
very good!!!!!
What kind of tapa are those ?
Good video, what the angle of the dovetail cutter?
Al T-Wing
looks like 60 degrees to me
What type of steel did you use on each part?
chris great work .
Thanks Robert!
A very nice job pity you wasted your money on the aluminium ones by the way how much were the ones you bought.
Aluminium is never wasted !
EXCELENT WORK
I've watched this a few times now, I see how the pins are pushed out by the cam, but once you pull the handle and lock in the tool holder to the tool post, what mechanism keeps the entire unit from twisting left or right? If there were two handles, one for the cam that pushes the pins out, and the other that screws down the center bolt. How does the center bolt lock down at the same time the cam is locked?
Hi, nice work. What size is the dovetail cutter please?
Great videos! Question. What kind of cutters do you use? Are they HSS or carbide?
Thanks.
+lexugax Thanks! Most all are carbide but the dovetail cutter was cobalt steel.
Nice Beltgrinder :D
Is there a chance to get the Plans ?
+ac3r787 The plans are available online for free here: www.wilmontgrinders.com/Pages/EERFGrinder.aspx
Or you can buy a kit from Polarbearforge like I did for less than what a local shop with a water jet would charge me JUST to cut it out; I'd still have to buy the steel. www.polarbearforge.com/grinder_kit_order.html
thank you!
Love the video but realy hate the music. Please subtittle the video so i at least have the possebility to mute the sound! :-)
Hey Chris, what kind of steel did you use to make your tool holders. Very nice vedeo
+Louis Alleva Thanks! I honestly don't know though, it was just scrap steel.
Very good video, but it's very bad, when you trace a line with the measurement instrument for that exists the tip of traced.
Chris, Enjoyed your video on the tool post and tool holder. Do you have plans for your sander, like the quick change belt
+Ralph McCoy Yup, here you go: www.wilmontgrinders.com/Pages/EERFGrinder.aspx
Good job
Well when you have a lathe! Even better when there is milling!
What kind of metal ?
Wood
Nice work and thanks for sharing. I, however, do find the music very irritating.
Strange you don't use any coolant..or lube..but nice job..
awesome work buddy. timr to make solid tool post and lose the compound for ultimate ridgidity.
Hi Mister, i'm relly intersted in the turret and the tool kit you made. How much do you sell it? Thanks you in advance
what make and model is your mill?
HI. do you have the dimensions of the quick change tool post?I'm trying to make my one, with my cnc.
I took a look through my old CAD files and I can't seem to find it. :(
ok. but can you give me a aproximate dimensions on the holder itself.I planned to buy the hole kit, but aluminium is to fragil over time.thanks
The dimensions of the post I copied are 1.75" x 1.75" x 2.5" including the dovetails.
ok.thanks
Poor caliper, please get a marking gauge (Hope the the proper English word). Other than that, awesome video !
+Revo SeR Haha, those are my $9 Harbor Freight calipers - I'm not too worried about it. ;)
+Chris DePrisco Well, that explains, cheaper to buy a new one then :D
I'm saving up for some Mitutoyo Digimatic calipers. You won't see me doing that with those!
+Chris DePrisco Those are definitely to good to be used like this. They can last years before showing first signs of wear.
Can't watch due to the music
then mute it? it's not bad music compared to the crap you hear in Kickstarter videos and a bunch of youtube channels by hipsters.
The fundamental mechanical design of this type of tool post is very sound: Female dove tail in the tool holder, and male dove tail on the tool post. Some very high end manufacturers reverse this arrangement, making it a less rigid design.
The only thing open to criticism is the holder's clamping arrangement; which pushes the holder out and away from the post's largest locating surfaces, putting the dove tails under tension. From a stress and accuracy point of view this arrangement is not desirable.
A better arrangement is the sliding wedge type, but is much more difficult to produce in the home work shop.
An alternate, and most satisfactory arrangement is to provide for a finger clamp that pushes against the rear inner dove tail surface of the tool holder. This would pull the holder tightly into the front dovetail slot, bearing on the wide and angled surfaces. The tool holder is also forced tightly against the large rear locating surface, making for a very rigid and accurate/repeatable assembly.
Another improvement is to put a thin roller bearing thrust washer under the head of the post's clamping bolt, bearing on the top surface of the post. This reduces the likelihood of the post's turning while tightening this bolt. It also reduces the required tightening torque on this bolt (or nut) tremendously!
One more improvement is to use 1/4-20UNC square headed set screws for tool clamping, thus eliminating picking swarf from the screw sockets. Strangely I found this little task particularly irritating.
I've built such a tool post which has been in use for 30 years now.
Why building them, when you can get these Sets from China for low Price....?!
The music drives u mad!
Okay so you copied the old QTPC and you made a great work...but.. There are two systems of QCTPs the ones that push the holder away from the main body and second the ones that hold him towards the main body to clamp him like Multifix and all the pro' s ones...the second ones have the best repeatability... If you think about it at the first way forces work all on the one stud behind the holder he can be as strong as he wants on the second way the forces divide on the whole main body and that's where good rigidity comes from. I was in the same situation as you i bought the aluminum one and wanted to make a steel one... but a buddy hes a professional explained me the difference... There are several free plans on the internet of QTPC working with clamping the holder towards the main body.. Always look when you see a QTPC which system he has and then you know how good his repeatability will be..
I ended up buying a Multifix from Germany... But..there are also good ones with dovetails... As long as you work with the mini lathe the forces are normally not that strong and this system could be enough especially when repeatability isn't so important for the things you do. Nevertheless good work dude...
Ahh the endless cycle of upgrading your toolholders because your current ones can't handle your lathe, just to upgrade your lathe because now your toolholders is handling it no probelm.
Резец выставляют по высоте по передней бабке не по задней бабке .
would watch but music is horrible
Nice bit of machining....pity it's for a crap design concept.....if you had bought the wedge type you wouldn't be looking back.
Too fast, cannot tell what is being done!
of course it is. its sped up so the video isn't 3+ days long.
Google how to pause a video. Also make one yourself to see how it takes to make the video and completely awesome holders.
Watching all those repetitive cuts again and again and again is boring even if you work on a milling.
I had to quit after 30 seconds because of the terrible distracting music