Why Kyivan Rus' is more likely Ukraine and not Russia
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2023
- In this video you can find a translation of Ukrainian version "The True History of Kyivan Rus without Russia". Please share this video with your friends living abroad. Let everyone learn a true and long history of Ukraine!
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Original video is here • Правдива історія Київс...
In 1869 French historian wrote report to French Senate and told that French Universities should not mix Moscovites and Ukrainians (Rus and Ruthynians):
“”.. All this is happening right in front of our eyes. We see how university education mixes two essentially different people with apparently opposing cultures and historical traditions.
These two nations are Ruthenians and Muscovites, mixed in the general title Russes.
Living between Muscovy and Poland, Ruthenians (Ukrainians), who previously included Russes and Rusyns (Russiens), were enslaved by the Muscovites in the last century. Conquerors distributed name of people they enslaved to itself, above all in order to receive the imaginary ownership of them.
It is necessary to understand that the word Russes and Muscovites, which today seem to us synonymous, are in fact quite different.
This deliberate confusion allowed Muscovites to absorb even the history of the Ruthenians. Like a later political act can influence the history of previous eras.”
Casimir Delamarre (1869).
A treatise on two Sarmatians, where Mekhovsky, being in Muscovy, says that Muscovites are "Rutheni sunt et Ruthenicum loquuntur", that is, they are Ruthenians and speak the Ruthenian language.
just like Afanasy Nikitin, a monument to whom in Tver, in his “journey across the three seas” counted Muscovites, Tverites and Rusyns separately and called himself Rusyn, because he arrived from Rusyn land.
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@@zeleeba8774 here it is also necessary to make a remark that the Orthodox of various states (including some regions of the Polish kingdom and Lithuania) called themselves Russians, which had nothing to do with Muscovy, since it is “Russian” - in the context of the Orthodox faith and living according to the law of “Russkaya Pravda” and belonged they are Rus' - whose? Russian. As well as Rusyns often. - however, they called themselves Rusyns or Russians only in front of representatives of a completely different culture, among themselves they called everyone, for example, Muscovites, Tverites, Suzdalians, Novgorodians. But no one said Kievans or Chernigovtsy, it was a Ruska land in the narrow sense.
Super , great job 👏👏
Thank you very much!
Нарешті!. Зробили відео англійської, щоб інші англомовні партнери дізналися про нашу історію з праведної сторон. Дякую!🇺🇦☦️
The Russian Orthodox Church is the Canonical Church of Ukraine
Щиро дякую! Це відео слід розповсюджувати якомога ширше!
Thank you for you job! A lot of foreign people have a huge gap in Ukrainian history
Yes, you are 100% right and we have to minimalize this gap
@@R4t5y6u7i8 а новгород как к расеи относиться? ето не ваша земля а захваченая иваном хрозним так само как сейчас захвачена южная и восточная часть украиньі, опять приписьівают историю захваченой територии к своей родной
@@R4t5y6u7i8 хотя что от вас монголов ожидать вьі только красть и врать умеете
@@w1erley Примерно так же как Львов к Украине, который до 1939 был польским
@@msxentialisjea1841львов был украинским до этого , поляки просто его окупировали временно , по вашей логике Москва это Польша
Бажано, щоб весь текст у відео був на англійській мові. Ви молодці, що поширюєте такий контент на англомовну аудиторію!
Дякуємо за коментар! Це в наших планах!
@@R4t5y6u7i8 Вітаю.
Рюрик напів-міфічний персонаж, про якого відомо лишень з «повісті минулих літ», в якій згадується про якогось Рюрика, но ця інфа двохсотрічної давності. Тобто писалося про події про які ніби то були 200 років тому. І вважати його існування реальним аж ніяк не можна. Адже «верифікацію» він теж не проходить (це коли підтверджують його існування різні джерела, наприклад: візантійські, арабські і т.д.
Одна згадка і то двохсотрічної давності. Тому ваша теорія норманська лишається теорією і не більше.
@@R4t5y6u7i8 может и источники приведете? =))))) и желательно не переписанные поздним периодом ;)
@@R4t5y6u7i8 абстрактный ответ ниочем. Кроме ВВЛ есть источник про Олега? и там же в ПВЛ герб нарисован? ;) в пользу Киевской версии тризубца - печати есть копанные. Герб Ладоги - посмешил
@@R4t5y6u7i8 До сих пор не увидел ниодной ссылки на источник ;) общее бла-бла-бла в духе проросийской пропаганди и "норманской" теории
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Great Job! Thanks for this video! Of course, it will be better, if text in video also be in English
Yes, we agree with you. We think to create full version in English and other languages.
@@OleshyeClubYes, make full versions in English and other common languages such as German, French, Spanish, Polish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian. And if possible - then it would be cool to also cover the entire Slavic-speaking population thanks to the newly created artificial inter-Slavic language. It would be wonderful, and it is really very important work, extremely important education of foreigners
We distribute the link to the video among the English-speaking audience!
Thank you very much for your help!
Russians lived in Rus and they spoke Russian language and they lived in Russian cities: Kiev, Chernigov, Lubech, Rostov, Novgorod. Rus is Ρωσία in Greeks, and Ρωσία is Russia in English transliteration. The root Rus suffix s and Greek ending ia - Russia. The same dynasty, faith, culture, language, uninterrupted history. Thus, the difference between Rus and Russia is the same as between Ρωσία and Ρωσία. Ukraine means borderland. 😭@@OleshyeClub
@@InvictusVirtus333 Great Britain created the largest empire on Earth. Just pointing this out.
@@InvictusVirtus333 I know you said "One of the Largest Empires" but I specified that praising Russia for having a large empire is no different than me praising Britain for having a large empire.
Дякую за працю! Чудове відео!
Дуже якісне й потрібне відео! Вестернам треба пояснювати хто є хто!
Чудова праця👍 Молодці, що випустили ще й англійською.
Які ви молодці! Подаєте таку важливу історичну інформацію і для іноземців!
True, Rus' ought not to be confused with modern “Russia”, which derives its name from the Rus' but historically is a completely different state, which almost all its existence was at war with the Rus'.
Just like the Holy Roman Empire was actually Germany, “Russia” is actually Muscovy, despite their best attempts to convince everybody otherwise.
Its name “Russia" received only around 1721, when Peter I simply changed Muscovy’s name into the “All Russian Empire” (Russia originates from Rosia, name used by the Greek Orthodox Clergy in regards to Rus')
Under the reign of Cathrine II Muscovites where even punished for continuing to identify as Muscovites, and were forced to call themselves Russian.
Lands that Russia (Muscovy) claims were part of the original Rus', but actually weren't, are Novgorod, Suzdal, and Ryazan, since in historical texts of XI-XII centuries they are mentioned as separate entities from Rus'. They can be considered parts of extended Rus', although their culture was distinct from main Rus'.
In 1493, Muscovite duke Ivan III appointed himself to be the Great Ruler of All Rus'. No other kings acknowledged that. From that point on Muscovy started to make false claims on Rus' ownership.
“Russia” is an offshoot of Ukraine and not the other way round, despite what Soviet and Russian (Muscovite) historians have been trying to say for years. A Slavicised Finnic, then later, Mongolized offshoot. Kyiv was a developed cultured capital when Moscow was just another swamp village.
Germany used to call itself the Holy Roman Empire, that didn’t mean they became the Romans, and all of a sudden had a right to claim whole of Italy and its history, but yet, that’s exactly what Russia (Muscovy) did in regards to Rus'-Ukraine, which is a horrible injustice!
one of the best and the simplest explanations I've seen on the Internet about these 2 different countries
@@R4t5y6u7i8 А когда Московское царство стало официально именоваться Россией впервые, не подскажете?
@@R4t5y6u7i8 кстати, Русь на греческом " Rus"!))
Russia is not Rossiya and Russiya - this terminological confusion created by moscovites will also have to be fought. These words have nothing to do with them. Their ethnonym is "moscovites". And it is marked on all maps until 1721.
@@R4t5y6u7i8 Малая Греция -- материнская земля; Великая Греция -- колонии Малой Греции --- выходить что "великороссы" (так званная "роССия; "великороССия") искусственная колония "малороссии" Украины😂🤣
Moscow lands were the colony of Rus. Moscow region was the land of Finno-Ugric tribes.
@@slawaschwed Kings of Rus' ruled in Kyiv, so how can Ukraine be a colony? The ancestors of Ukrainians were Rusins, whereas Moskowitz were conquered by Ukrainian ancestors, and they had never been called as rusins at the time of Rus', they were called Moskowitz. They were considered an absolutely different nation, the descendant of Androfags.
@@slawaschwed did people from Sweden establish what is now called Ukraine, Poland and Russian Federation???)))))) What a fairy tale))))))
In the sense Russia doesn't exist.
@@SundayUk Vikngs established Kyiv Rus and the state was ruled by Rurik dynasty. Poland's first rulers came from Piast dynasty and they were slavic:)
rurik is a legend and myth@@alwa4735
Awesome video! Great work guys! 🙌🙌
Of course Ukraine is Rus'. Like Greece was Ellada, or Spain - Iberia. Similarity of Russian federation and Rus' is like to compare Romania and Rome
звичайно, ні. Вулиці і їжа, як руські вареники, існують до того, як Петро 1 вирішив перейменувати московію....
@@R4t5y6u7i8 чому москалі не любить, коли його називають москалями.
До того, як Петро 1 змінив назву Московія, ви так себе називали
@@R4t5y6u7i8 первое письменное упоминание Руси, как Украины, датируется 1187 годом, следовательно можно сделать вывод, что жителей на территории нынешней Украины называли "украинцами" задолго до революции в 20 веке
@@R4t5y6u7i8 чому росіяни повні українофобії?
Про Україну згадували ще до появи Москви.
Повернемося до мого запитання про москалів?
@@R4t5y6u7i8 стидоба, і хто вас так історію вчить)))
Trident was not a "symbol of Rus" but a personal Volodymyr`s mark.
Wow. I've always heard of ukrainian princesses and the city of Odessa but never made the connection it was medieval ukraine, this is huge and awesome
The very truth of main historical theme.
Чудова робота! Щиро дякую.
Superbly written!
Thanks! Full English localization would be great!
Дякую! Чудове відео. Гарно, інформативно і сподобались вставки з сучасності, особливо чат князів руських)
The Varangians were the Vikings, Scandinavian traders, who were also known to plunder and raze most of the European continent and occupied countries along their trades routes, such as Scotland, Greenland, Iceland and even erected a settlement on the eastern coast of Canada. They were also known as the Rus', which means 'rowers' because they rowed their ships. The Viking Duke of Normandy, France, was known as William the Conqueror invaded England at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 and from then on the Kings of England were all Normans.
Треба аби все було англійською. Лише на слух складно сприймати іноземцях 😔😔😔
Навпаки, вважаю, що це зроблено дуже добре. Хай іноземці бачать нашу мову. Та розуміють, що вона не московська. І наша абетка так само не є московською.
ми хочемо зібрати фідбек, можливо зробимо повноцінну англ.версію
@@R4t5y6u7i8 спамить не устал, нерусь?
@@OleshyeClub English and Ukrainian - both languages should be used. I'm learning Ukrainian at the moment.
Super good video!🔥
Finno-Ugric have long been among the Rus even before Prince Oleg of Novgorod's conquest of Kiev. They were often described as Baltic Vikings who were using the Volga river route to trade in the Middle East
Ukraine founded by Mongol 1240 not related by Bruce Kiev to Ukraine Ross Kiev is Russia😂
Дякую, чудово, інформативно!
Для англомовної аудиторії, думаю, варто зробити повністю англомовну версію, включно з текстами у відео.
А іншими мовами теж плануєте? Боже, та це треба всіма основними світовими мовами, був би ресурс!)
Дуже дякую за інформативне відео англійською 🥰
Максимальний актив потрібен, такий контент повинен збирати багато і дуже багато
Thanks!
Амінь! Автори шикарний випуск! Поширю в Інсті, як відновлюся.
чудова робота. всі мають розуміти та знати правду
as someone who is ruthenian, i can attest to the fact that ukraine chased ruthenians out of the country during world war 2, and then continued to persecute ruthenians after the war too, ie making them say they are ukrainian and denouncing their rights to language and religion, otherwise the ruthenian part of my family never would of would escaped to live in serbia and hungary, where are you people getting your history from
Ukraine did not exist as a state during the Second World War, so it cannot persecute those people who considered themselves "Rutheniаns". Аlso "Ruthenians" dont have their own religion.
😂😂 ahaha. What is Ruthenian language? Ukrainian? It's Make me laugh.
They were Soviet (russian) communists, not Ukrainians. Ukrainians then fought for independence
Боти понабігли. Значить їм пече, що вийшов такий англомовний контент. Це добре
Because its a historical ukrianian national myth
And goes against centuries of historigphy
@@baileygregory9192 та що ти знаєш про східну Європу взагалі?
😂😂
Thank you for information
Excellent! Tnx!💛💙
Велика подяка за Вашу працю!
Браво вашій команді!
Bust of Bogolyubskiy made my day, LOL. Didn't know those ugors were so crafty....
The question should be if it's Ukraine or Muscovy and looking at the name it's clearly not Muscovy.
Muscovy, Kivonia, Kievia both Latin names for places. Varsovia, Krakovia.
Thank you for a great job! russia (rather muscovia) has the same connection with Rus' as with Prussia ....
Muscovy came out of the Kievan Rus, they weren't a major principality or city-state within the Rus, but they were still apart of it even before the Mongols. You can call the Rus Ukrainian, but you can't say Russia didn't come from the same land
@@j.a.hernandez9742 hey, do not mix Rus (Kyivan was introduced by stalin puppet) with russia. Muscovia was never Rus!!!! peter the killer implemented this name to create empire in 1721. Do not spread science infection to the world!
Musclvia came from marshes of the moscow river, the city was founded by permission of the horde.
@@j.a.hernandez9742 folklore, traditions, musical instruments, mentality, attitude to women, toponyms - everything shows that muscovia legacy is in finno-ugric background and has nothing to do with Rus (modern Ukraine).
@@juri1073 But Russians lived in Rus and Rus is Ρωσία in Greeks, and Ρωσία is Russia in English transliteration. The root Rus suffix s and Greek ending ia - Russia. Thus, the difference between Rus and Russia is the same as between Ρωσία and Ρωσία. Ukraine means borderland 😭
Дякую за таке відео ❤️
Why does the voice sound like an AI?
чому немає нових відео:(???
What is the difference between the Slavic-speaking tribes assimilation into Russians and that of the Fenno-Ugrian speaking tribes into Russians? 🧐
Тільки говоріть не Kiev, а Kyiv😩
@@slawaschwed як українською буде «Кієв» чи «Київ»? А як російьскою? Отож, чому ми маємо використовувати рос транслітерацію?
👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇦💪✌
Kieven Rus was state within Russian+Ukraine+Belarus. Russian got it's name from Rus, due to it being more of the favored name to be used.
07:32 Muscovites, people from Novgorod and Russians in general have Scandinavian-European features,not Uyghur
Чудове відео. Інколи буває неочевидно що в школі усі вчили різні історії…
Судячи по коментах дивляться це відео всерівно українці, а не англомовні люди(
Может потому что здесь есть видные глазом манипуляции?
@@zeleeba8774 які?
@@kreyda_gibson9450 тут Русь 0:21 такая настоящая и большая, имеющая в себе российские города, а здесь 10:08 и 11:20 такая, российские города уже здесь не Русь. И таких манипуляций миллион.
Такое гивно, иностранцы не кушают.
@@zeleeba8774 ти правий. Русь це Київ, Переяслав і Чернігів. А то що показали то об'єднані території князівств якими правлять руські князі.
@@kreyda_gibson9450 "В лето 6807 ... послаша къ князю Андрею на Русь, а прочии вскоре повергше оружия и устремишася на бегъ, страхомъ грозы храбрсьтва Довмонтова и Ивана Дорогомилова.
Приеха Максим митрополит и седе в Володимере на столе..."
Новгородская четвертая летопись. Князь Андрей - это Андрей Александрович, в то время - владимирский князь. Здесь Русь почему-то теперь это российский Владимир. Знаешь почему? Да потому что к тому времени Киев был ограблен и сожжен, он перестал быть политическим центром восточных славян, им стал Владимир, церковная митрополия Киева также сбежала во Владимир.
В різних літописах вказано, що Новгород, Суздаль... це не Русь. Серце Русі - Київ, Чернігів, Переяслав. Наприклад, оскільки Новгород платив данину Києву, в котрому сидів родич Великого князя, то іноземці, інколи, ідентифікували як руські землі, руський конь, руський раб))
В повести временных лет Ладога, Ростов, Белозерск, Полоцк названы Русью в 862 году, Киев был захвачен Олегом из Новгорода только спустя 20 лет.
@@maestro6458 Новгорода в 882 не существовало, это доказала российская историческая экспедиция, которая выяснила методом дендрохронологической таблицы, что первые хибарки были построены только во второй половине 10-го века, что есть 950-ые и далее. Русь с центром в Киеве ходила на Константинополь, согласно Нестору за 10 лет до 862-го. То есть уже на тот момент Русь была достаточно сильна для этого. Так же летописи проводят конкретную границу Руси - Киевское, Чериниговское, Переяславское и познее Галицкое и Волынское княжества.
@@ericdurov8711 Новгород уже существовал в 882 году, именно оттуда пришел Олег, а Ладога, Ростов были уже в 862 году. Не было никакой исторической экспедиции, археология вскопавшая 0,5 гектара не имеет функций опровергать письменные источники. У Нестора нет "Руси с центом в Киеве" до 882 года. Киев до этого года ни разу не назван Русью, зато Русью названы варяги и регион Ладоги и верхней волги.
@@maestro6458 "Однако летописи могли относить существование города к этому времени ретроспективно, поскольку надёжно датированные археологические слои Новгорода относятся ко времени не ранее 930-х годов" - российская википедия. Метод, названый мною выше, высокоточно узнаёт время основания. Так что спокойно опровергает летописи, не говоря уже о том, что летопись была написана в 1113 году и спокойно могла ошибится во времени.
Далее, Нестор пишет "В лето 6360, индикта 15,[51] наченшю Михаилу цесарьствовати,[52] нача ся прозывати Руская земля. О семъ бо уведахом, яко при сем цесари приходиша Русь на Цесарьград, якоже писашеть в летописании грецком". То есть, Русь уже была самостоятельна и сильна для таких походах.
Что касается Ладоги. То страницы про Рюрика в Ладоге вклеены в оригинальный текст Петром І и никак по другому не верефецируются. Вот слова работавшего в России с 1761 по 1767 год немца Августа Людвига Шлецера: "Тут уместно вспомнить, что Татищев ранее изучал приобретенный при захвате Петром I в Кенигсберге якобы «Радзивиловский» текст «Повести временных лет», в который были с подачи Петра вклеены листы, касавшиеся появления Рюрика в Ладоге, и страницы о ведении рода князей России от библейского Адама. Главная суть в том, что все существовавшие летописи давали совершенно другую картину возникновения Руси. Русь создал вовсе не Рюрик - Киев еще до Рюрика стал русским от Галицкой Руси. А та стала ранее Русью от Руси-Рутении - колонии славян Полабья, располагавшейся на территории нынешней Венгрии и Австрии, ее столицей был город Кеве (эта «венгерская» Русь, существовавшая до XII века, отражена во всех европейских хрониках, включая и «Хронику Польскую»)."
Как говорил Маркс - "История Руси пришита к истории Московии белыми нитками" и вы это подтвердили.
@@maestro6458 замечательная чушь
Молодці!!!
Great work!!!
Вам треба трошки попрацювати над вимовою, зверніть увагу на flood, author і дивно але Kyiv. Загалом дякую за вашу працю)
Russia is not Russ, they are moskovian
Kyivan Rus 🇺🇦
100%
1 Thing, Ryurik is mythical creature rn, there is almost none evidence to his existance except The tales of began years
He was a Viking.
@@Fenrir.Lokisson yeah I understand, but again, there is no evidence that he was real. No OTHER evidences but the tales of began years.
@@misha09107He was the founder of his dynasty. So is Jesus also fictional?
@@Fenrir.Lokisson lmao, yeah? Very can be. And God is fictional too. This is it. We have no direct evidence, but things which has been rewrote hundreds of times or has been written hundreds years after
Correct. Until forced Russification in 19th century my Polish ancestors called them Moskale. Voivodship Ruskie was an area near Lvov were Moskals were most hated.
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Як я вважаю, контент для американського суспільства потрібно робити коротше
So this is the history for Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, they were speaking the same language. And Rus was a viking. So whose history is this?
Переробіть, щоб тексти були англійською, бо мозок вибухає🤦
It was no Rurich prince! Ihor "The Oldman" was the first Kyiv prince. Rurich is only a legend, like a Kyi.
Raged Russian kids in the comments: 🤬😡
I wonder also why German country decided to call his state “Prussia” in 15-16th century after Rus (Kyiv Rus) collapse under Golden Hord?
I think it was named after the extinct baltic people called prussians
And word Ucraine means bordeland.
Again Russian lies.
@@ddd7386 And the Western historic think that word Ucraine means Bordeland. Read this in Wicipedia in English.
@@StanislavM3000 find in English Wikipedia the article "Name of Ukraine". Here you find also "Interpretation as "region, country""
@@ddd7386 Первый историк Украины Грушевский считал, что слово Украина означает пограничье или окраина. Это только позже была выдвинута теория о том, что это означает просто страна.
The word Russian means retard.
the “borderland” interpretation comes from linguistic laws which determine rules of language evolution. In Slavic languages the shift from o- to u- is non-occurant as these prepositions/prefixes are semantically incompatible - they carry divergent meanings:
o- emphasises a transformative aspect of an action, a change of status caused by an action.
So, from the linguistic perspective, okraina cannot become ukraina.
As you can see, the word Ukrajina comes from adding the prefix u- to the word krajina ‘a country’, which in turn derived from kraj - the word of common Slavic origin meaning ‘a land, a territory, a country’ in the majority of Slavic languages, not just Polish. It is true that the word kraj also means ‘an edge’. In that sense, semantically, kraj is a land with no known limits or borders (compare with germanic mark, e.g. Danmark).
Thus, Ukrajina literally means “In-Land”
Дуже і дуже цікаве відео навіть якщо я не знаю англійської мови
перейдіть на всі відео канала - там є українською і вже другу серію виклали
@@Pavlo_Biletskyy дякую
Круто молодці Русь це Україна.
modern Ukraine is a descendant of the medieval Ukrainian empire called Kievan Rus, just as Italy is a descendant of the Italian empire called the Roman Empire.
the modern Russian Federation is not a descendant of Kievan Rus, just as the Holy Roman Empire is not a descendant of the Roman Empire
But Russians lived in Rus and they spoke Russian language and they lived in Russian cities: Kiev, Chernigov, Lubech, Rostov, Novgorod. Rus is Ρωσία in Greeks, and Ρωσία is Russia in English transliteration. The root Rus suffix s and Greek ending ia - Russia. The same dynasty, faith, culture. Thus, the difference between Rus and Russia is the same as between Ρωσία and Ρωσία 😭
Trying to tie historical states with modern ones is a stupid concept
tell that to Putin
@@dmsawyer Ukraine is far more guilty of this.
@@XS-03_Apollo no they are not...are they invading another country based on some bs?
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You can chat for a long time that Kievan Rus is, of course, Ukraine .. Just one question for you? Show us the money of the state of Ukraine, before 1917. There is no such money, because the state of Ukraine never existed before 1917, that is, before the revolution.
Russian not Ukrainian. Ukrainian is Russian.
Ukraine is the same Rus as Turkey is the Byzantium
Russia is the same Rus as Argentina a Roman Empire.
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Ukraine. Failed state. 1991-2014. RIP
PS. Russia is the Third Rome, but not the Roman Empire. Argentina is the Latin America, but is not the Roman Empire, Germany is The Holy Toman Empire of German Nation, but is noy The Roman Empire. Ukraine is the New Khazar Khanate. Any questions?
@@MortalDEATH784 Russia is a falled terrorist state, which has minimal salary lower than in Ukraine. You are just a Russian troll.
Росія,така Русь,як була Римською імперією Священна Римська Імперія,або є нинішня Румунія,або громадянинами Риму є народ ромів.
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Да мы тоже - Третий Рим, только римлянами не являемся, как и Латинская Америка. Так что пример - косой. Кстати, италики к римлянам тоже отношения не имеют. Они позже туда пришли, а столицей сделали Рим, уже когда Италия объединилась.
They were Ruthenian...
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Lvovan galicia retained the title Ruthenia from the Roman pope omegalul
So Poland is the real heir to Ruś? I guess that means that Poland has a right to own the lands Ukraine, Belarus, and Moscovia?
@@Theriodontia4945 Від Польщі та корона перейшла до Австрії,яка пізніше розпалась ,як імперія.
@@Theriodontia4945 Lol no one should own other countries because 1000 years ago there was some title. People live according to modern international law, and only savages attack others, because Rurik puk srenk khry khry in 862 kaknul in Novgorod, that's what the savages and their putin did.
Thank you for your work! I'm so tired sometimes to explain this information to ppl who think that Rus is russian..ua
But Russians lived in Rus 😭
@@marketguydanu9888 lol, cringe
Rus' isn't russia.
If you take an academic rather than political perspective then it's equally both. Kievan Rus wasn't Ukrainian OR Russian but formed the foundations and some of the boundaries of both modern states. The Kievan Rus state obviously wasn't just Kiev.
Btw, who said that Novgorod starts from Rus’, I wait historically doxuments about that them
Супер. Чудова робота. В мене є питання: чи не буде такої ж роботи німецькою мовою? Найбільше зараз українців саме в Німеччині, і, як виявилося, німці практично нічого не знають про нашу реальну історію.
Ruthenian was another word for Russian,😂😂
Two-headed chicken as the symbol of Moskovia/Muscovy 🤣
Посмотри герб Черниговской области, загугли
The Russian coat of arms was taken from eastern Rome when the last princess of Byzantium married Ivan the third Prince of Moscow and All Rus. Ivan the third was one of the first princes who began to collect the lands of Kievan Rus after the Tatar yoke.
The trident, which in the video is presented as a continuous symbol of Ukraine, since Yaroslav the Wise, Ukraine began to use this coat of arms only in 1920. Those who are true Ukrainians and where Ukraine came from have always used the coat of arms with a tiger, this coat of arms can be observed in one of the divisions of the SS Galicia that joined the Germans in World War II.
#ArmUkraineASAP
Nice lets rewrite history 😂..
Коментар в підтримку ролика!🗿👍
There are so many twists in this video it's beyond funny to someone with any actual knowledge on the subject of the history of the Rus.
First Kievan Rus wasn't Ukrainian or Russian or Belarusian, it was Rus. From the Rus, the three distinct peoples had evolved differently due to their different circumstances. The first capital of the Rurikavichi was Novgorod Veliki in Russia, Oleg conquered lands south all the way to Kiev, he didn't "unite some disunited folk" he conquered. Kiev became the capital because it was better geographically situated for a people who were as much traders as they were warriors.
There's a whole lot of weird Anti-Tatar sentiment in a video made by a people whose modern national identity was shaped by a military caste that based its own identity on being Orthodox, Slavic Speaking Tatarboos. Even the name Cossack has its origin in Turkic languages. There's a Turkic country and people with the same exact self-designation out there. Ever heard of Kazakhstan?
No idea how Yaroslav the Wise bethrowing his daughters to foreigners is good but Dolgorukiy marrying a foreign princess is bad. Oh wait, that's about as smart as Social Darwinists get. Its really ironic especially since Yaroslav was potentially half Greek or half Polotsk Norse so "mixed race" too. Oh wait, it's only the brown people that are uncool... then you realize that the Cumans were pale, blue-eyed blonde Asiatic people. Is it the eyes, that bother the Ukrainian nationalists? the evil imaginary Mongol eyes... of evil...
It really doesn't matter how old is Moscow or how old is Kiev, Novgorod was first, Novgorod at its heyday was faaaaaar more of a "European" state than the United Rus Grand Duchy was. Also no idea Nevsky's mentioned in passing as he became the Grand Prince of Kiev based off of his defeat of the Teutons. The video does mention his helmet which was probably designed based on a helmet the blacksmith had gotten as a gift or as loot from some Muslim state - probably the Volga Bulgaria. Nevsky wasn't Muslim, he didn't care for the religion and his helmet was either a restored Muslim helmet or a a replica of one.
Bogolubskiy was born in Vyshgorod, near Kiev, and being a feudal lord decided he wanted to run a "state" of his own so he went East to a principality far from the capital's grasp. He also ruled Kiev for a while and his authoritarian rule was disliked specifically by the Boyars rather than the commonfolk as far as we can tell, because nobody recorded the commoners. Speaking of him, he and his father built and renovated Vladimir Suzdalsky by employing European architects and masons.
Oh yeah, Lev Danilovich of Galicia was a model Mongol vassal who fought a bunch with his Polish and Hungarian neighbors... so much for the Euro-unity.
The trident of Vladimir was his personal seal, not a Rus state seal. Alexander Nevsky had a seal in which he is presumably depicted. SEAL OF RUSSIA EVERYONE!!!1
The Double Headed Eagle in Russian symbolism is burrowed from Rome, because the Eastern principalities always remained staunchly Orthodox unlike the Western ones.
Loan words oh no... Let's look at the Ukrainian word for money, Hroshy from the Germanic Groschen via Czech and Polish... Ukrainians are Germans!
Both Russia and Poland paid "tribute" to the Crimeans to avoid getting raided, it was more of a bribe than a tribute lmao. No clue why Poland's being left out again, Oh yeah I do... Trying to delegitimize Russian nationhood as a distinct Slavic speaking, Orthodox entity.
Oh and all the groups mentioned at the beginning of the video as the "original inhabitants of modern-day Russia" that were erased from existence or something are still around, there's an autonomous republic of Mordovia in Russia. The Chuds were renamed as a bunch of minority Finnic people from North Western Russia and Estonia.
On the subject of the name of Russia, the country didn't have an official name but it was referred to internationally as anything from Muscovia to Alba Ruthenia (White Russia) a term that was initially applied to the Novgorod lands, which are in Russia. The name Rus was a geographic and cultural term rather than a political one the Muscovite Grand Princes still remembered their origins and styled themselves as the Gosudar of All Rus. From an honorific symbolic title to an actual political nomenclature. Ever since Moscow rose to international prominance that is, at which point Kiev was already a backwater hole no one really cared about other for symbolic reasons. Even the Proto Ukrainians themselves who had since shifted its cultural centerness towards Lvov and other Galician cities. The Sich (another Turkic loan word by the way) didn't really care for Kiev that much as instead they opted to use military camp-towns as their centers of power.
Oh and the cossacks, they were a military caste, not a proto nationality or an ethnic group.
Every mention of "Ukraine" in the manuscripts is basically "The Kraina", the "country" or "land" - not a political entity. So Ukraine is basically treating itself the same way Chad treats itself - "My name Land"
"My name is Lake"
Stop spreading bullshit, history isn't Ukrainian or Russian, history is human.
Novgorod was "a capital of Rus" only in interpretations and partly in the Primary Chronicle. It's mainly myth. Real rulers of Rus, whose existence we can prove, begin with Kyiv rulers. Everything before is more a story, which can't be verified
Stop spreading lies! Says the moron quoting a mythological book, and not even, a copy of a so called book that has no provenance or proof of existence. Confidence in their stupidity, the one real achievement of the Russians.
@@ddd7386 You mean the fully Slavic later Rurikids? That would mean we should stop acting like we're certain Rurik and his kin were Swedes then, because everything to about Vladimir the Great's lifetime is basically legendary information.
There are those who also claim Kiev was founded as a town on the Dnieper by the Khazars, but we can't know for sure of its importance lacking written sources.
@@friday26th exactly, we should accept that Rurik was a legendary figure. Rulers of Rus had definitely Scandinavian origin because we know their Scandinavian names, but Rurik himself is a lavendery figure. According to archeology, Novgorod was founded a 100 years after Rurik (in 10th century). The verified history started much later with rulers of Kyiv. The core of today's Rus was central part of today's Ukraine. We have here a direct connection. Russian history we can start in 12-13th century with Vladimir Suzdal land and then Moscow
@@ddd7386 @ddd7386 The three first and most definitely semi legendary rulers of the Rus have kind of Norse sounding names but that's about it. If we judge based on naming culture Romanians are Slavs.
The Northeastern European plain region was heavily intermixed between Finnic, Baltic, Norse and Slavic people. Which is why genetic studies on the real life progenitor of the Rurikid dynasty yield conflicting results from having a Swedish origin based on haplogroups previously present but since extinct in Sweden to haplogroups common among contemporary Finnic peoples to haplogroups common in the modern Lagoda-Novgorod region. The citadel of Novgorod was according to archeology was constructed in the middle of the ninth century and its very fitting for a river raiding early medieval lord would make his "capital" a military base.
In any case, I'd argue that everything prior to the final fracturing of the Rus grand duchy is early East Slavic history while everything after is the earliest manifestations of modern Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian history. The latter starting with the distinctly central European character of the Kingdom of Galicia. For all the clamoring of Ukranians for the old Rus identity throughout its history, Ukraine cared little about the symbols of Old Rus; Kiev was an afterthought symbol of prestige, the name was dropped gradually in favor of regional identification and later a winder Ukranian identity with large emphasis on the Turkickly influenced Cossacks.
There are mentions of Medieval Russia being called both White Rus(ia) and Rosia while Ukrainian lands were Ruthenian provinces of Poland and Lithuania
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This is quite stupid, just the title alone. kyivin RUS is a term that came along LATER, Novgorod was the first town of the RUS and after the capital was Kiev however they were RUS in both places 😂 we were one people 😂 many tribes but to say it’s Ukraine not Russia is quite stupid, there were a bunch of Slav tribes that were RUS. Stop this modern emotionally political bias much love
@@rinal9040 #1 not Russian Wikipedia, multiple historical sources, #2 you clearly haven’t studied any of this or just have a bad source, here I will copy and paste from history. Com … “ Rurik's brothers died within two years, so he claimed their territory and established Novgorod as the capital of his domain. After Rurik died, his successor Prince Oleg of Novgorod (or Oleg the Prophet) captured the city of Kiev in 882 and moved the capital from Novgorod to Kiev.” Although it wasn’t established it was before Kyiv.
Capital in Novgorod is a myth, which mentioned in Primary Chronicle, but can't be verified. Verified rulers of Rus begin with Kyiv rulers. Rus was called mainly land around Kyiv. Novgorodians didn't consider themselves as Rus and we known it from their documents. From their documents we know also that they considered Rus the center of today's Ukraine
@@ddd7386 I just gave you one of the most famous historical accounts and could provide sources, please provide some sources “first time hearing of it as a myth” regardless of you try making that your argument kieven Rus was one untied people of many different Slavic tribes mixed with Scandinavian Vikings from the lineage of Rurik, Rurik was in Novgorod … his kinsman Oleg founded the grand principality of Kiev. Literally it’s a known fact. No proof of myth, that’s like saying Washington DC isn’t the capital. After Rurik died his successor Oleg captured the southern city and moved its capital from Novgorod to Kiev.
@@philipsadventures1755 it's simple. Open a Wikipedia about Rurik and you just see "was a semi-legendary Varangian chieftain of the Rus' "
Semi-legendary means that we know almost nothing about him and highly likely he has never existed. It's a first sentence in English Wikipedia about him. It's easy to find more about it. There is only one source, which mentions him, and it's a Primary Chronicle, which was written after 300 years of his probable life.
Archeology shows that Novgorod was founded highly likely 100 years later than it's described in the legend. You can also find it in Wikipedia and other sources.
"whereas the town itself dates only from the end of the 10th century; hence the name Novgorod, "new city", from Old East Slavic Новъ and Городъ (Nov and Gorod); the Old Norse term Nýgarðr is a calque of an Old Russian word. "
@@ddd7386 Novgorod was officialized after that is correct that does not mean it didn’t have a state, and your source is Wikipedia that’s all I need to know. Semi legendary so where did his kids come from ? We have the full lineage from him …
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Ow, so Ukraine is not Russie. But Russia is Ukraine ?
Ow. Well ok…
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The Slavic tribe of Vyatichi lived around the Oka river and Moscow river so this place was not just fine-tribes that lived in that area. Important cities like Yaroslavl were founded by Yaroslav the Wise so the idea that Russia cant trace back their roots to the Kievan Rus is silly.
Some historians says that vyatichi is fine who was mixed with slavs
Gratitude for doing this This great lesson of history in English language so that more people In the world Get a chance to know the true history Of Ukraine/Rus/Rutenia
I wouldnt expect something else told by a oukrainian channel