"Chinese" is about as narrowly accurate as "European", and throwing Korea and Japan into the same category (on the map) is making it really too broad. Even going back in history, "Northern Chinese" (tall, rangy) and "Southern Chinese" (smaller, more slender) are well known. This guy just seems to want to shock his wife out of her self-confidence in being Han Chinese.
He brings up the CCP categorizing the majority of people as Han, but Han superiority goes back centuries. To become civilized was to become Sinocized. Many characters for minority groups or outside ethnic groups had animal radicals in them.
@@adamwon3012 The Austronesian ancestry among Japanese is at a similar level as Northern Chinese, around 5-10% according to the ancestry breakdowns that I've seen. However, the Austronesian ancestry among Southern Chinese is substantially higher, can reach 25% to more than 40%.
The Taiwanese native group which is very often divorced from the non-native groups have a very unique genome compared to mainland and non-native groups. Researchers divide these two groups and most of the time will state Taiwanese as the native group and have a different indicator for non-natives to the island.
The aborigines of Taiwan and 7% of mainland Chinese share the same ancestor for 6900 years (Haplogroup O1a-F140) onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24240 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M119 www.yfull.com/tree/O-M119/
You know White people became White in Europe only 10,000 years ago. People change if they are separated for thousands of years. 6,000 years ago is a long time ago. Aboriginals are different people and were there before Taiwanese people.
@@meowmeowcutekitty8176 exactly, 6k is fucking small number to be toying around especially when a lot of these natives went into isolation, I mean phenotypically at least, large difference will arise
The discovery of a 6,000-year-old skull of a Negrito woman confirms legends by almost all of Taiwan's Indigenous tribes of "little Black people" that span centuries. World Archeology titled "Negritos in Taiwan and the wider prehistory of Southeast Asia: new discovery from the Xiaoma Caves." The authors of the study report that cranial morphometric studies of a skeleton found in the Xiaoma Caves in Taitung County's Chenggong Township "for the first time, validates the prior existence of small stature hunter-gatherers 6,000 years ago."
He is using one of the ged match admixture calculators. It gives you admixture possibilities. That calculator was giving her possible mixture s. She could have mixtures of any number , each number gives her combos of her possible admixtures.
He is really misinterpreting this. I'm adopted so I've uploaded my DNA to a bunch of sites and used GEDMatch a fair bit. He's on the right track as far as saying that she's probably not Han Chinese and is likely closer to Vietnamese, but he's misinterpreting the data.My GEDMatch has matched what I would expect based on what I have based on my limited adoption knowledge, and if you look at the data as a story and not a makeup of your ethnicity she'd probably understand better that she is more likely southeast asian more closely related to vietnamese people or another chinese minority. But to say she isn't related to Han at all is such a broad assumption. She shares markers with the GEDMatch participants which helps to narrow scope a little bit to a region of genetic mixture (based on my limited understanding). So her ancestors likely originate in the south/southeast China/Vietnam region.
@@adamwon3012 Not only maternally but also paternally, I've seen a data from 23Mofang and it says that around 20% of Guangdong and Guangxi Cantonese people's Y-haplogroup belong to O1b1a1-M95, and this haplogroup is the dominant haplogroup among Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodians, and Javanese.
I have a feeling laowhy not misinterpreting it, he’s doing it on purpose to manipulate his wife. Most southern Chinese are a mix of northern Chinese paternally and southeast Asian maternally. Do its not surprising to see a female’s DNA more southern shifted compared to a male’s. And southeast Asians have enough similarities with Chinese when they are assimilated it’s hard to distinguish them so they kind of just blend in with the larger population. Kind of like how Irish people just blend with the “whites” in America. Dude is making mountains out of mole hills for his own reasons.
Came here to see if anyone else was bothered by that. Hopfully it was unconscious on her part. But my initial reaction was that it felt icky and just wrong.
My husband is minority in China, Zhuang (second biggest ethnicity in China), there is some stigma behind being a minority within China and it was not too long ago (90's) where there were some clashes with Zhuang people against Han people in my husbands hometown. My husband tells me stories of people looking down upon him because of it, also for being from Guangxi. Some of the Zhuang culture has been diluted due to assimulation, even the language and traditions have in some way been absorbed by the dominant culture. Guangxi kind of seen as the Louisiana of US... However, I encourage others to visit and learn about the people in Guangxi, they are singing people.
They are brainwashed from a very early age to feel part of the "Chinese homeland" as one people, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. In similar ways as I was as a child about being Catholic and part of the Christ worshipers. However, I grew out of it as I learned that the adults I trusted had no idea what they were talking about.
Wegene specializes in Asian DNA. You can upload your data from another testing company. I did it because there was a small percentage of Asian DNA showing up in my results at 23andme. Wegene says it is Tajik, Lahu and Papuan.
I thought so too. She just blocked out his whole explanation and wants to believe what she's been told by her family. Not really any thinking for herself going on. I've noticed that Asian people tend to be the most shocked to find out they're not exactly what they've been told they are and the most resistant to thinking of themselves as anything else.
Well, where you see yourself culturally and as a nationality doesn't necessarily, or even usually, have to co-relate to your genetic admixture 1-1. Of course, in China, and this goes back much further than the current CCP regime, as in many other countries, of assimilation of minorities and native population by forceful means. Personally I know I have Sami heritage, but or so goes the family lore, it "stopped" in the early 1800's. But I wouldn't be shocked if it still showed up in my DNA despite this, because what happened was they moved into the city and thus "became" Swedish. In those days the sami population were heavily discriminated against, speaking Sami was forbidden in schools for instance. I am proud of my heritage, in a way my Sami ancestors couldn't openly be, but it would be false to say that I therefore am this or that percentage Sami in a cultural or national sense.
That’s a reflection of the Chinese educational system. People recognize that there are minorities but everyone else is expected to be Han. If you don’t speak a minority language, don’t have recent ancestors that were a minority, and aren’t told you look like such and such minority, you assume you are Han and nothing but Han.
I love your videos tbh these are so fun 😁 i never go into comment section because i dont want to get spoiled, if i ever get a dna test i would make a video
He is pretty much making things up from questionable sources with questionable abilities to interpret them. Someone telling another person who they are like this is always a cringe. The patronizing tone ... yikes.
The family name Wei 韦 is very common among Tai-Kradai speaking Zhuang people, and it's thought that the reason they chose this Sinitic name when they were forced to sinicize is because Wei sounds a lot like the native Zhuang word Vaiz, which means "water buffalo", and the water buffalo is a highly revered animal among the Zhuang people, it's a symbol of strength and endurance.
For Taiwan, the native people in the mountains he referred to would ultimately have Polynesian ancestry, so they would be genetically quite different to the Chinese that arrived from the mainland. However, you're right that the test he did doesn't appear to give enough information to link to this particular group.
got it backwards. taiwan/fujian is the starting point of polynesian immigrants. and these people got pushed down or assimilated or killed by the northern plain O3 people.
The Gedmatchy Primary/Secondary Populations thing appears to be similar to the Gedmatch Oracle tool, it's supposed to give approximate distance to root current populations identified in whichever project database you use, you can have them set to 1 to 4 populations I think... but they are statistical guesstimates, not meant to be read like "you're this!". And they are NOT persons she matches to... Basically instead of saying "You're 97% chinese and 2% vietnamese", it says your whole admixture is similar to those who currently live in these regions. The one population guesses are usually pretty accurate, the top results can be read like an imprecise admixture guess. As far as I can tell from my own overwhelmingly western european background... when you go down the list it doesn't feel too unfamiliar, usually places around your ancestral hotbed, in my case France and the UK. But when they go into the "many populations" guesses, it gets REALLY testy.... It is made pretty clear on Gedmatch though, that those are "population approximations". Seeing for example that you can do this with 1, 2, 3 or 4 populations, should be ENOUGH of an indication that this ISN'T a surefire result... My 1 population results say Southwest_English @ 6.699494, which isn't too far off, I do have some of that, and then the two population estimate says 50% Irish +50% Southwest_French @ 4.889654... which I mean, two brain cells and I can tell I can't be 100% English AND 50% Irish and French all at once!!! :P The 3 populations top guess puts me at 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English (Are there two populations in SW England, or is this a bug...?!) and 25% Spanish_Galicia, which is so painfully wrong it's almost cute... and at 4 pops I'm suddenly a swedish Basque irishwoman. At that level the algorithm figured out that my ancestors were fishermen, and that's about it... lol To be used carefully.
I should have looked it up when I was doing the reaction but looked it up afterwards, and you are correct that it is an Oracle. The Genealogical Musings blog has a post with all the Gedmatch tools and briefly discusses it - genealogical-musings.blogspot.com/2017/04/finally-gedmatch-admixture-guide.html#:~:text=Mixed%20Mode%20Population%20Sharing%20will,closely%20you%20match%20those%20populations.&text=Again%2C%20the%20distance%20will%20tell,your%20DNA%20matched%20which%20population.
“It was like what the heck speak english, I don’t speak your language” to the people in vietnam an laos, when visiting their countries. She is 100% american.
You can be of an ethnicity or combination of them yet not speak the language or be familiar with the culture or grow up in that particular culture especially if you are American.
My wife is from Africa and her parents are from different tribes, so they communicated in English with each other. That’s why her native language is English and neither of the African languages.
That does look like GedMatch, it was awesome that he shared that, but I don't like how he is putting it, because it's not that true, because with the admixture calculators, it gives you SOOOOOO many possibilities of mixture that he is choosing what he wants to see. If he went through all that time investigating this, he should have looked for the jiapus and zupus which contains very very much information on migrations, lineages, etc.. he cannot go that the source of a Chinese surname is only from one place, because it can be from several (including different Asian countries) and they need the jiapu/zupu to trace HERS
Most southern Chinese are a mix of northern Chinese paternally and southeast Asians maternally. If you look male DNA they would be closer to northern Chinese but female DNA would be more southern shifted. Historically it made sense since southern China was incorporated into the Chinese empire later, the first Chinese settlers/soldiers would have been mostly men taking native wives. China historically is a patrilineal society so only the father’s lineage is taken into account.
Jarrett I have a question, both my parents and I tested on MyHeritage but I got 3 extra ethnicities(Sardinian, Irish/Scottland/Welsh, South Italy/Greece) that they don't have on their DNA admixture. We all share (Iberian, Mesoamerican and Andean/Italian), we also share the same genetic groups. I would like to clarify that I am their biological son and the DNA percentage confirms it. Do you think there was an error in my DNA readings? Than you! I always enjoy your content! By the way I have Sephardic Portuguese ancestry but it didn't show up on my DNA test, my dad got a little bit of Ashkenazi Jewish.
This can happen due to a few things - the complexity of the ethnicity admixture algorithms, the inability to distinguish maternally inherited autosomal DNA from paternally inherited autosomal DNA (in reference to the SNP testing alone and not genetic genealogy), and the errors in reading the DNA.
Not everything gets passed down completely proportionally, same with how you don't get a completely even 50/50 split from your parents. I had a tiny bit of North African squeak through from one side, which you don't see in my parent, but you can see in my grandparent. This is just my understanding, so I could be wrong. There is also a chance your readings could slightly change over time as more people register their DNA.
I think your DNA test is (like many others) is showing you hints of the ancient migrations of your ancestors. I assume you have these ethnicities in low percentages? Bear with me I'm not a wacko :) Firstly you get DNA from you parents in a random manner, and that their DNA is the sum of all their ancestors. Not all genes are expressed. Some of your ancestors DNA was not 'expressed' in your parents but has shown up in your test. Irish, Scottish and Welsh people share ancient DNA with people from the Iberian peninsula on several levels and the Irish and Welsh are known for having a more 'southern European' appearance than their English neighbours. Ever heard of the 'black irish', it's not from shipwrecked sailors of the Spanish Armada as myth would have it. It's has far older origins than that. Your test does not show that you are Irish/Welsh/Scottish it means that you have common (ancient) ancestors with many people currently living in the western parts of the British Isles. The South Italy/Greece reflects DNA from ancient Greek colonists that settled in southern Italy (the Romans called it "Greater Greece"). I believe the Sephardi have a lot of southern Italian heritage. Of course the Roman's settled in Portugal as well. "Sardinian" ancestry is also interesting. Most Europeans are a deep mixture of Mesolithic (middle stone age) hunter-gatherers, Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (modern Turkey) and Bronze Age "Yamnaya" pastoralists from the steppes north of the Black Sea . Almost all European males have Yamnaya lineage. Unlike the rest of mainland Europe it seems that Yamnaya heritage did not come to dominate male bloodlines on the island of Sardinia. So "Sardinian" really means Early European Farmer (EEF) lineage. As a side note the western portion of the British Isles also has higher amounts of EEF DNA as well. The dark hair and brown eyes of many Southern Europeans has its origins in the waves of Anatolian farmers spreading westward during the Neolithic.
Well, what even is "chinese" its a massive mix of different genes, honestly i wouldn't be surprised there is Chinese pressure on this companies to show China as one whole thing.
You are right. I went to his UA-cam channel and watched some of his videos. He has a white superiority complex. In 1 video, he had his wife sitting on the floor at the back of his car while his family members are seated on the seats comfortably. He went on to joke how he wanted to drive to immigration.
I watch them on a regular basis and I think you are seeing what you want to see from it. They're a very happy couple and are always teasing each other. They lived happily in China until last year when they had to flea to America because the CCP were threatening them and raided their home.
@@MrJermson dude is it extremely rare for couples to joke around? I am a muslim and arab and sometimes my European friends would joke around and ask me if I am going to blow up soon. I don’t know man. He speaks respectfully about other cultures just not ccp
@@MrJermson I've been subscribed to him for years he is nothing like you are describing. He is a very caring and humble person. Clearly judging him for just being a white guy I assume. He lived in China for a decade and him and his wife have been together for a long time. She was a Doctor in China. They have a strong friendship and marriage.
A lot is tribal that shares the same genetic markers because there are 56 different ethnicities and ethnic groups besides Han Chinese in China they encourage everyone to pretend to be Han Chinese for the sake of national unity. You can be different tribal ethnic groups and not be considered that by culture. Based on the raw data they are looking at people who share the same genetic markers and what they are classified because this is from GED match which lets you compare to try to find more matches based on your raw data and genetic markers.
On the Gedmatch admixture results, when they show you as a mix of ethnicity 1 and ethnicity 2, it actually means that according to that Calculator, your specific admixture "looks like" you could be a mix of those too people. Dodecad as a more specific speculation doesn't show the same results as the ambiguously broad World9 Calculator. In my results I had Lumbee native American so up as well as a Californian genetic indigenous group and English, neither of these are the largest ethnicity i have, as a bi racial black and white person with a confirmed background of being Lemko/Austrian/Irish + Nigerian/Mali/Senegalese , i have had family rumors about an African slave who was daughter to a Creek woman and family ties to the Taino population within Jamaican ancestry, i had a small fraction of Hispanic ethnicity showing for a time which triggered these calculator to think i was Tri racial Lumbee or even possibly Melongean. I had an expert take a look at my chart and the only interesting thing he speculated was possibility of being Romani with a couple spikes of Indian admixture with the east European but my calculators shown to me lean towards Lithuania, basically Indo-european and picking up on indo-aryan. I'm currently trying to figure out why i am having Finnish pop up instead of Hungarian since my family was Carpathian Rusyn, but i am having Sweden and Norway show in similar distance and considering geographical distance that type of mixing isn't out of the question. Referring back to the calculators, the numbers to the right of the 2 ethnicity prediction list are to show distance, #1 means that in the Calculator you closely resemble somebody of those two ethnicities together on the genetic record, but you may not be that mix, the farther the number place away is just giving further examples, nothing set in stone or correct. That admixture results shown in bar graph style is probably from DNA(dot)land which is now a concluded project I believe, i can't seem to access it
You must appreciate the fact that, in everyday parlance, "Chinese" may refer to an allegiance to a modern nation-state or descent from a pre-modern empire, kingdom or principality. When you conflate DNA results with labels of modern sovereign states, you must expect unusual results. To use a cliché, you need to compare apples with apples.
Facts: 1. Han Chinese doesn't equate to Chinese, they're only part of Chinese, cause Chinese also include the other 55 ethnic minorities. 2. Han Chinese as an ethnic group was only created about a hundred years ago by the Anti-Manchu revolutionaries that founded the ROC, but China has always been a melting pot for hundreds if not thousands of years, so it's normal for Han Chinese especially Southern Han to have some minority ancestry or SE Asian ancestry. Southern China used to be Baiyue and Baipu territory, and it's thought they were speakers of Tai-Kradai, Austroasiatic, Austronesian, and Hmong-Mien languages. Sinitic people only conquered this region about 2,000 years ago, and large-scale Sinitic settlements down south only started around 1,000 years ago.
He is repeating what she said about taking the DNA tests, “what I’m just gonna find out I’m Chinese and you’re German” (speaking about her husband being German.
I think what the Gedmatch population sharing list indicates people that share similar dna to you and lists them according to how close their genes are from you. So they not related to you but it gives you an indication of how similar you are to the list of people. The people they comparing you to are from the first genome projects in the 2000's so it's best to read up those research papers since all human genomes were mapped using those people.
It really is a balancing act. There is a use to the admixture and there is decent scale of reliability in the results, but it does seem like reactions are often on one end of the spectrum. Either people read it very literally or they see it as completely wrong, but sometimes there are those that read it in a much more analytical way (which it kind of requires).
@GeneaVlogger I feel like there is only a small portion of the population that has actually taken a genetics class and knows about meiosis, let alone some of its quirks like cross-over.
Imagine China as a Rome that never fell apart. China would be diverse as Rome because being empires they assimilated many different tribes and kingdoms over the course of history.
I’m 100% Southern China/Eastern China, made in Canada ♥️🇨🇦🌏🇺🇦 went with Ancestry DNA 🧬 Guangdong Province! Hoiping, in Guangdong Province, China. Toisan Chinese dialect. Countries my ancestry 4/5 generations
I really enjoy your Vlogs. Except for the sound. The Vlogs you feature I can barely hear, when you come on, I have to adjust my sound down. Can you balance the sounds more evenly? Thanks
16:40 that’s just mental gymnastics/confirmation bias at that point. “Central Chinese” is not used as a geographical term in these contexts, it’s usually refers to a specific region in the central plains, which is claimed as the ancestral homes of Han Chinese.
she an hmong descendant as in rich hmong(aka Miao) history (5 thousand years of history) , The Hmong fled south china away from slavery (Chinese rulers used military might to suppress the Hmong and other ethnic minorities in 1790 to the 1860s) and most migrated to Laos and other country
Myheritage is technically an Asian company since they are based in Israel greatly enough their sequencing facilities is the same as FTDNA and some others in Houston TX
Interpretating the results? I think that the info in parentheses is the place the data came from, the percentage is the similarity between Vivi and the test population, and the name is (obviously) the population referenced. I am clueless as to the "Distance" category.
I've noticed that big countries like to consider nationalities by today existing countries and totally ignore the nationalities that are actually in those contries, but big countries have invaded many nationalities and if you are invaded by another country, another language and culture, it doesn't change your dna and your actual nationality. Big countries like China and Russia like to portray and campaign that everyone are native Chinese or Russian and make the small groups of nationalities dissapear from map, from people's memories etc. It is agression and the dna companies do not want to go deeper into what nationalities actually excist in a big country. At least everyone knows that USA is not a homogenous country.
I can only say that you are a stupd dog, arrogant and ignorant, if you understand the Chinese government's preferential treatment policy for ethnic minorities, you will not bark like this dog. In the past 50 years, tens of millions of Han people have voluntarily joined ethnic minorities, because they can enjoy preferential policies. China's ethnic identification policy even makes some Han people dissatisfied, because China clearly divides the domestic ethnic groups into 57 ethnic groups
LaoWhy86 i like his channels i been uploading to others and and been learning a lot and cross referencing with my know family tree its not far from each other i am fairly happy with cross referencing but io think having so many people in my family obsessed with family record keeping helps
Some Chinese from guandong area and fujian area migrated to Taiwan at the time Taiwan was under the Dutch. It might explain that she has Taiwanese DNA because of intermarriage between the Chinese and aboriginal Taiwanese. This all happened before Taiwan (Formosa) was made part of China. He is not reading too much into it. He simply knows his history
No..you are wrong.. I am from Africa..I had something similar, and I found direct ethnicity and DNA of others .( I think it might be due to earlier migrations and settlements of its original ethnicity from certain areas)
I love your videos & really pay attention to what you are saying cuz is interesting & informative ... but that said I really have to question these ad’s in terms of frequency how they seem strategically inserted ... “... turns out that that you are actually STOP VIDEO INTERRUPT W-ADs- or like just happened again- as soon as I start to type in an add interrupts so that I have to listen to the whole ad(s) or loose what ever I had started entirely 🙄
Hi! Just found ur chnl and have been binge watching. Question...have u ever heard of the story of the mother (I think from the northwest US) that was NOT DNA related to her own kids??? They were gonna charge her with all kinds of fraud and it became a very distressing situation. Quote I remember is, "ur father can be anybody but u will always know who ur mother is." As a mother, I can't imagine strangers accusing that my child is not my child when I KNOW HE IS cuz I gave birth to him!!!! Pleeeeeez look up the story if u haven't come across it. I'd luv to watch it reaction to it. Keep up the videos!!!!!!
Ethnicities are cultural, so it is not surprising. People have moved around for thousands of years and interbred. North and South Chinese people have DNA more similar to the countries that border them.
Vietnam was a kingdom under Chinese protection for centuries. People from southern China often get results showing some S.E. Asian or tribal affiliation.
May I ask…. When you introduce yourself at the beginning of each video, might you consider slowing down? I’m still not sure of your first and last name as you say it so quickly. Maybe watch the video and see the caption text as the spelling is different for each video. Super!!
He is NOT HOT . He ‘s like German blue eye thinks that HE’s more elite over Medeteranian, or Picts(scotish), celts(irish), or Baltic (east EU) . Just every otehr video he’s like “i am German” , “I am German”. Its getting to d point it’s embarrassing
Yes the DNA results for Indians I always feel is underwhelming coz they never show the % of the different 3:11 Indian ethnicities as they do for Europe where they don't show "European" as a single ethnicity but break it down. China would probably be the same, even Han Chinese must've different ethnic (or sub ethnic) communities which should show up in DNA results.
Taiwan aborigines are a distinct people group, one that spawned the Polynesian and Malay peoples, nearly 3000 years ago. It is theorized that they were part of a more ancient group of peoples (Austronesian peoples) in southeastern China who were absorbed on the continent by Sino-Tibetans during prehistory, but those who remained on the island continued to develop as a very distinct people. Some of those Taiwanese spread south along island chains, and then across the Pacific and Indian oceans, forming the other descendants of the Austronesians). Han Chinese didn't start settling the island of Taiwan in any significant numbers, until Europeans had started laying claim to its coastal regions in the 17th century. Taiwan aborigines are genetically pretty different from other East Asians. The other peoples of now southern China in historical times were mostly related to modern Hmong and Thai peoples, many of them moved southward as the Han colonization also moved southward, with modern Laos and Thailand occupying areas that were not formerly populated by Thai peoples. These other Sino-Tibetan peoples are more closely related to the original Han Chinese in language and genetics, part of a broader closely related group of peoples who existed prior to the rise of Chinese civilization, so it may be more difficult to separate them out genetically. Cambodians and the original Vietnamese peoples were very different from Han or Thai peoples, with originally unrelated languages and genetics. But after many centuries of Han colonization, Vietnamese have been greatly mixed with peoples from the north, often carrying family names of direct Han lineage (unlike the tribal naming described in the video). Cambodians are very distinct genetically, culturally, and linguistically, as different to the Han and Thai peoples as Taiwanese aborigines, thus even a little admixture can be more detectable in non-Cambodians.
I believe the husband. Taiwanese should not refer to the recent Chinese immigrants to Taiwan, but to Taiwanese aboriginals, otherwise why have a Taiwanese classification ? They would simply be 'Chinese'. Taiwanese aboriginals are more than simply a 'culturally distinct' population, they're genetically and racially distinct. They are of Austronesian stock, and totally different to the Han Chinese. It gets muddled though, when coastal peoples of mainland China are considered, because many of them are a blend of mostly Sinitic and to a lesser extent Austronesian peoples (among others).
I said Singaporean's Try, as in the youtube channel which had a DNA test results video. I reacted to that video and that is what I am referencing - ua-cam.com/video/Grx9XGDCubs/v-deo.html
LaoWhy86 drawing very confident conclusions from uncertain information is really his style. I enjoyed his travel videos, but I just stopped watching because he kept dropping some strange statements about some topics where I had some personal knowledge and it was clear he was overconfident in his takes. It made me doubt the other thing he was talking about sadly.
Whatever the term “Chinese” encompasses, which is a broad range of ethnic groups. Her features are more Southeast Asian eight to me, Vietnamese, Thai, etc, but what a weird way for him to treat his wife.
Yeah,,,MY mom will dis own me if i find a guy looks like that. Also her nose 👃 stretches/moves when talking/eating, laughing . N they open open up n face forward….ahhhhhhhhhh😅
Seriously and no offence , just by looking at her she has majority miao origin. Again just because of my life experience. She is definitely not Han Chinese
If you ask me Vietnamese doesn't count as not Chinese because their borders were more of a huge gray area awhile back. Like saying an Indian found out they have Pakistani DNA. Wtf.
East ASian maintain came from Europe, Northern of Hymalyan Moutain. INDIAN, etc all blocked by Desert n high mountain. South East ASians ,,,they all have Black GENE 🧬 from Africa. African ppl travel thru d Islands --Madagascar native all Indonesian. So Africans travel thru d “C” circle ⭕️ of route, up north n went to India/sirulanka n land in Thai/Cambodia/ Indonesia/Malaysia …..n re emerge with East ASian that came from North. So East ASian has NO African Gene 🧬 at all. South East ASian are mostly partically related to Indian/ West African. So they have diff facial features. Typically Forward lower face n large gum/nose :) Even tho Viet/Cambodia right beside China, but they were blocked by a LARGE river. So she is still shocked that she’s LESS Chinese than most Chinese ppl lol. 😅 It’s very easy to check . Her look is very rare. I had never seen one ☝️ 😮
LaoWhy86 and clickbait? Whaaaat?! lol. Unfortunately, I just had to stop watch his videos because I felt there was too much of a messy situation around the end of 2019 as the news of Covid was starting to spread. I saw too many charges of “racism” against him & Serpentza, a criticism I couldn’t easily shake off, but I also had massive problems with the people making those claims as well, so I actively avoided ALL of those channels. BUT, I definitely did enjoy Laoway86’s videos and personality for some time, and loved when his wife would show up in videos. The focus on travel and cultural things as well as the lived experience as a westerner in China, I did find beneficial. Anyway, I was definitely excited to see he uploaded the raw data somewhere, (I did that several years ago, but it was for health info.) Now, I am wondering about which sites I could upload my data to for some more information in genealogical terms, (I have been working more on my genealogy quite a bit lately, and using these videos to help motivate me.)
Wellll…he is vehemently anti-CCP. Not anti-Chinese. He and Serpentza have exposing channels specifically of the CCP. He’d rather she be less Chinese than something else. Confirmation bias. Makes me wonder if Serpentza did this too. His wife is Chinese too.
been watching both of them for a long time. He became increasingly anti CCP over time as his freedoms were systematically taken away, and things got harder for him, Serpentza and their families.
Your probably right, but he is also hinting at the ongoing process of the CCP trying to whitewash, or should that be Han-wash the ethnic history and culture of non-Han groups out of existence. Southern China is actually ethnically diverse and so were other areas of the country in the past. The CCP want the Chinese to be "one people" and that really means "Han". Ask the Tibetans or the Uyigurs if they feel that their cultures are respected.
@@yolandechristian9584 no, it is like the Russians during the Soviet Union era occupied the non Russians like Baltic nations, Ukrainians or Belorussians, imposing the Russian language and culture. Also, in other Eastern European countries.
Yeah she probably not...sometimes genes from certain white and black people can make one look like they have native american feature. Many human facial features repeat even though the dna could be from wildly different locations.
Kerala is a state in Southern part of India with long history of maritime trade for spices. You might have read about Christopher Columbus travelling westwards from Portugal by sea to discover a route to India under the presumption that earth is spherical and landing at some West Indies island in the early colonial period.
@GebeaVlogger, I think you missed the subtext of the video you were reviewing. In your case, (and I do think you are very good at what you do), the saying 'to a hammer, everything looks like a nail' fits. The Chinese government has been activity attempting to stamp out 'identity' of the individual for decades. Their message is basically, 'You are to be a member of a collective, a single people, the greatest of all the peoples of the world.' They are told, 'You are one ethnicity.' This video was pushing back on that. Yes, to you she is Chinese, but to her, to not be Han Chinese is to not be Chinese. And so, with all due respect, you sort of blew it. Yes, I am sure he didn't read or even really understand what he was seeing, but in another, truly fundamental way, neither did you. Peace.
Whilst I don't dispute what you are saying about the Chinese government and you are spot on I think in her reaction to it, basically that is saying she not what she's been conditioned to believe, and that by not being Han Chinese is not being Chinese, Jerry is also spot on in his criticism that the guy in the video who has been uploading her DNA to various places (sorry I don't know his name) is basically trying to find evidence so that he can put out the clickbaity video that will get a lot of views claiming she's not Chinese, when to everyone who knows about genealogy and has watched a lot of these Geneavlogger reacts videos knows that DNA does not resist modern borders and so won't respect Chinese Communist party propaganda either. So you're both right, but this to me smacks of a person who only showed evidence of what was having up what he was trying to find in order to create as shocking a video as possible, which to me it wasn't. Sure if you've been indoctrinated into thinking the minorities in China aren't Chinese you'll think a different way, but to any objective person she's Chinese, and the fact that he didn't show exactly where he was uploading the DNA to and where the analysis came from makes me highly suspicious of these results (not that I'm not suspicious of Ethnicity Estimates in the first place, they are after all only estimates). If he'd have used a Chinese DNA test company (although maybe this might be rigged, I don't know) which has a bigger database of DNA from over all of China and South East Asia also makes these results nothing more than an estimate. To me this video said she was 97% Chinese with a small percentage that may have been from some neighbouring part of SE Asia, but may also just have been Chinese that hasn't been deciphered yet by lack of testing and migration of peoples throughout the region to and from China over the centuries and millennia.
Why didn’t he just look at her matches, and fine relatives, with most 97% connections and ask where they’re from..... He’s used, DNA.Land and gedmatch. It is interesting, every website I’ve tested, including these I’ve come up south Asian. Anyway, 23 and me does a better job than the third parties, because that’s where she has her matches. SMH
Her looks more Vietnam's then Chinese ! Slanted-eyed Asians, as in Europe, as in Asia, the image is separate from each other, blacks in Africa vary according to the region, we can understand that there are more or less differences in each continent.
I personally think, just because where she from is closer to equatorial lines, just makes more melanin. Like all us pakistanis, we have variety of skin colours, some similar indians and some blond hair and green eyes and blue eyes. We have varied climate, so our complexion reflects that variation. Like people tell me I do not look pakistani, I look syrian or turkish or iraqi but I do look pakistani according in my knowledge, but I think we just fall on similar axis or distances away from equator so our complexion matches. Like person in mexico or brazil or italy might have similar complexion just we are similar distances away from the equator...which impacts our melanin production and facial features...
He should have just said "Congrats! You're Asian!" and left it at that, he's definitely digging too hard and way too specific with the Gedmatch oracles, interpreting the calculator results can cause a lot of confusion to the lay person as shown here.
"Chinese" is about as narrowly accurate as "European", and throwing Korea and Japan into the same category (on the map) is making it really too broad. Even going back in history, "Northern Chinese" (tall, rangy) and "Southern Chinese" (smaller, more slender) are well known. This guy just seems to want to shock his wife out of her self-confidence in being Han Chinese.
He brings up the CCP categorizing the majority of people as Han, but Han superiority goes back centuries. To become civilized was to become Sinocized. Many characters for minority groups or outside ethnic groups had animal radicals in them.
It’s better than how 23andme lights up Madagascar and the Philippines for Polynesian results lol
Northern Chinese are yellow river farmer, southern Chinese are half sinicized Austronesians
It's very awkward when people confidently explain things they don't actually understand...
Soooo awkward, also painful to watch him seriously push it onto her like she has to accept it
Awkward and arrogant.
@@adamwon3012 It's sad. Most Cantonese have some Zhuang-Dai ancestry and Hmong-Mien ancestry, yet many of them are denying it.
@@adamwon3012 The Austronesian ancestry among Japanese is at a similar level as Northern Chinese, around 5-10% according to the ancestry breakdowns that I've seen. However, the Austronesian ancestry among Southern Chinese is substantially higher, can reach 25% to more than 40%.
like @genevlogger when making conclusions about native Taiwanese DNA without knowing the history of the region
He was speaking as his wife. He is the one they believed to be German.
The Taiwanese native group which is very often divorced from the non-native groups have a very unique genome compared to mainland and non-native groups. Researchers divide these two groups and most of the time will state Taiwanese as the native group and have a different indicator for non-natives to the island.
The aborigines of Taiwan and 7% of mainland Chinese share the same ancestor for 6900 years (Haplogroup O1a-F140)
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24240
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M119
www.yfull.com/tree/O-M119/
You know White people became White in Europe only 10,000 years ago. People change if they are separated for thousands of years. 6,000 years ago is a long time ago. Aboriginals are different people and were there before Taiwanese people.
@@meowmeowcutekitty8176 exactly, 6k is fucking small number to be toying around especially when a lot of these natives went into isolation, I mean phenotypically at least, large difference will arise
The Taiwanese are a second-wave group on the island. The first-wave group is related to those on the Adaman or Philippine Islands.
The discovery of a 6,000-year-old skull of a Negrito woman confirms legends by almost all of Taiwan's Indigenous tribes of "little Black people" that span centuries. World Archeology titled "Negritos in Taiwan and the wider prehistory of Southeast Asia: new discovery from the Xiaoma Caves." The authors of the study report that cranial morphometric studies of a skeleton found in the Xiaoma Caves in Taitung County's Chenggong Township "for the first time, validates the prior existence of small stature hunter-gatherers 6,000 years ago."
He is using one of the ged match admixture calculators. It gives you admixture possibilities. That calculator was giving her possible mixture s. She could have mixtures of any number , each number gives her combos of her possible admixtures.
He is really misinterpreting this. I'm adopted so I've uploaded my DNA to a bunch of sites and used GEDMatch a fair bit. He's on the right track as far as saying that she's probably not Han Chinese and is likely closer to Vietnamese, but he's misinterpreting the data.My GEDMatch has matched what I would expect based on what I have based on my limited adoption knowledge, and if you look at the data as a story and not a makeup of your ethnicity she'd probably understand better that she is more likely southeast asian more closely related to vietnamese people or another chinese minority. But to say she isn't related to Han at all is such a broad assumption. She shares markers with the GEDMatch participants which helps to narrow scope a little bit to a region of genetic mixture (based on my limited understanding). So her ancestors likely originate in the south/southeast China/Vietnam region.
Your perception makes a lot of sense. This is how this poster should have understood the video.
@@adamwon3012 Not only maternally but also paternally, I've seen a data from 23Mofang and it says that around 20% of Guangdong and Guangxi Cantonese people's Y-haplogroup belong to O1b1a1-M95, and this haplogroup is the dominant haplogroup among Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodians, and Javanese.
I have a feeling laowhy not misinterpreting it, he’s doing it on purpose to manipulate his wife. Most southern Chinese are a mix of northern Chinese paternally and southeast Asian maternally. Do its not surprising to see a female’s DNA more southern shifted compared to a male’s. And southeast Asians have enough similarities with Chinese when they are assimilated it’s hard to distinguish them so they kind of just blend in with the larger population. Kind of like how Irish people just blend with the “whites” in America. Dude is making mountains out of mole hills for his own reasons.
It very weird how she reacted for being minority. Looked down on them that 'they are who dance'... its kind of sad 💁🏼♀️ but also shows a lot.
Came here to see if anyone else was bothered by that. Hopfully it was unconscious on her part. But my initial reaction was that it felt icky and just wrong.
My husband is minority in China, Zhuang (second biggest ethnicity in China), there is some stigma behind being a minority within China and it was not too long ago (90's) where there were some clashes with Zhuang people against Han people in my husbands hometown. My husband tells me stories of people looking down upon him because of it, also for being from Guangxi. Some of the Zhuang culture has been diluted due to assimulation, even the language and traditions have in some way been absorbed by the dominant culture. Guangxi kind of seen as the Louisiana of US... However, I encourage others to visit and learn about the people in Guangxi, they are singing people.
They are brainwashed from a very early age to feel part of the "Chinese homeland" as one people, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. In similar ways as I was as a child about being Catholic and part of the Christ worshipers. However, I grew out of it as I learned that the adults I trusted had no idea what they were talking about.
Wegene specializes in Asian DNA. You can upload your data from another testing company. I did it because there was a small percentage of Asian DNA showing up in my results at 23andme. Wegene says it is Tajik, Lahu and Papuan.
It was kinda sad. I mean, when she was saying, "No, I'm Han."
I thought so too. She just blocked out his whole explanation and wants to believe what she's been told by her family. Not really any thinking for herself going on. I've noticed that Asian people tend to be the most shocked to find out they're not exactly what they've been told they are and the most resistant to thinking of themselves as anything else.
Well, where you see yourself culturally and as a nationality doesn't necessarily, or even usually, have to co-relate to your genetic admixture 1-1. Of course, in China, and this goes back much further than the current CCP regime, as in many other countries, of assimilation of minorities and native population by forceful means. Personally I know I have Sami heritage, but or so goes the family lore, it "stopped" in the early 1800's. But I wouldn't be shocked if it still showed up in my DNA despite this, because what happened was they moved into the city and thus "became" Swedish. In those days the sami population were heavily discriminated against, speaking Sami was forbidden in schools for instance. I am proud of my heritage, in a way my Sami ancestors couldn't openly be, but it would be false to say that I therefore am this or that percentage Sami in a cultural or national sense.
@@Lindseyisloony I mean DNA isnt equal to culture and ethnicity all the time. Plus he had a poor handle on what he was talking about.
@@Lindseyisloony nah I’d be excited cause being just one thing is boring
That’s a reflection of the Chinese educational system. People recognize that there are minorities but everyone else is expected to be Han. If you don’t speak a minority language, don’t have recent ancestors that were a minority, and aren’t told you look like such and such minority, you assume you are Han and nothing but Han.
I love your videos tbh these are so fun 😁 i never go into comment section because i dont want to get spoiled, if i ever get a dna test i would make a video
He is pretty much making things up from questionable sources with questionable abilities to interpret them.
Someone telling another person who they are like this is always a cringe. The patronizing tone ... yikes.
I think the 3rd party site is DNA land. When I used the site, it gave me some weird results as well
The family name Wei 韦 is very common among Tai-Kradai speaking Zhuang people, and it's thought that the reason they chose this Sinitic name when they were forced to sinicize is because Wei sounds a lot like the native Zhuang word Vaiz, which means "water buffalo", and the water buffalo is a highly revered animal among the Zhuang people, it's a symbol of strength and endurance.
Far from being simply forced, modern Zhuang people even have a large number of Han Chinese immigrants, historical records and genes have proved this
It looks like he's using the Oracle section that shows in each of the Gedmatch projects. It doesn't mean what he thinks it does.
For Taiwan, the native people in the mountains he referred to would ultimately have Polynesian ancestry, so they would be genetically quite different to the Chinese that arrived from the mainland.
However, you're right that the test he did doesn't appear to give enough information to link to this particular group.
got it backwards. taiwan/fujian is the starting point of polynesian immigrants. and these people got pushed down or assimilated or killed by the northern plain O3 people.
Yes, they look like Igorots of the Philippines
Took a test with ancestry about a month ago. I’m super excited for the results to come back!!
The Gedmatchy Primary/Secondary Populations thing appears to be similar to the Gedmatch Oracle tool, it's supposed to give approximate distance to root current populations identified in whichever project database you use, you can have them set to 1 to 4 populations I think... but they are statistical guesstimates, not meant to be read like "you're this!". And they are NOT persons she matches to... Basically instead of saying "You're 97% chinese and 2% vietnamese", it says your whole admixture is similar to those who currently live in these regions. The one population guesses are usually pretty accurate, the top results can be read like an imprecise admixture guess. As far as I can tell from my own overwhelmingly western european background... when you go down the list it doesn't feel too unfamiliar, usually places around your ancestral hotbed, in my case France and the UK. But when they go into the "many populations" guesses, it gets REALLY testy.... It is made pretty clear on Gedmatch though, that those are "population approximations". Seeing for example that you can do this with 1, 2, 3 or 4 populations, should be ENOUGH of an indication that this ISN'T a surefire result... My 1 population results say Southwest_English @ 6.699494, which isn't too far off, I do have some of that, and then the two population estimate says 50% Irish +50% Southwest_French @ 4.889654... which I mean, two brain cells and I can tell I can't be 100% English AND 50% Irish and French all at once!!! :P The 3 populations top guess puts me at 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English (Are there two populations in SW England, or is this a bug...?!) and 25% Spanish_Galicia, which is so painfully wrong it's almost cute... and at 4 pops I'm suddenly a swedish Basque irishwoman. At that level the algorithm figured out that my ancestors were fishermen, and that's about it... lol To be used carefully.
Looks like an Oracle inside one of the gedmatch calculators.
I should have looked it up when I was doing the reaction but looked it up afterwards, and you are correct that it is an Oracle. The Genealogical Musings blog has a post with all the Gedmatch tools and briefly discusses it - genealogical-musings.blogspot.com/2017/04/finally-gedmatch-admixture-guide.html#:~:text=Mixed%20Mode%20Population%20Sharing%20will,closely%20you%20match%20those%20populations.&text=Again%2C%20the%20distance%20will%20tell,your%20DNA%20matched%20which%20population.
“It was like what the heck speak english, I don’t speak your language” to the people in vietnam an laos, when visiting their countries. She is 100% american.
No one in North/South America not even the came from here. As we ALL came from over Alaska on its West side from what used to be Russia.
You can be of an ethnicity or combination of them yet not speak the language or be familiar with the culture or grow up in that particular culture especially if you are American.
She's not at all American. At the point, this was made she had only even visited America one time.
My wife is from Africa and her parents are from different tribes, so they communicated in English with each other. That’s why her native language is English and neither of the African languages.
Wow! didn't think it possible, but that sounds almost as ignorant as her comment on English and her other comment on the minorities that "just dance".
That does look like GedMatch, it was awesome that he shared that, but I don't like how he is putting it, because it's not that true, because with the admixture calculators, it gives you SOOOOOO many possibilities of mixture that he is choosing what he wants to see. If he went through all that time investigating this, he should have looked for the jiapus and zupus which contains very very much information on migrations, lineages, etc.. he cannot go that the source of a Chinese surname is only from one place, because it can be from several (including different Asian countries) and they need the jiapu/zupu to trace HERS
Most southern Chinese are a mix of northern Chinese paternally and southeast Asians maternally. If you look male DNA they would be closer to northern Chinese but female DNA would be more southern shifted. Historically it made sense since southern China was incorporated into the Chinese empire later, the first Chinese settlers/soldiers would have been mostly men taking native wives. China historically is a patrilineal society so only the father’s lineage is taken into account.
@@adamwon3012 I thought Bridal kidnapping is in like Some Desert religion near D Guy Borat was at ? Like …… stan . Lol 😅
Jarrett I have a question, both my parents and I tested on MyHeritage but I got 3 extra ethnicities(Sardinian, Irish/Scottland/Welsh, South Italy/Greece) that they don't have on their DNA admixture.
We all share (Iberian, Mesoamerican and Andean/Italian), we also share the same genetic groups.
I would like to clarify that I am their biological son and the DNA percentage confirms it.
Do you think there was an error in my DNA readings?
Than you!
I always enjoy your content!
By the way I have Sephardic Portuguese ancestry but it didn't show up on my DNA test, my dad got a little bit of Ashkenazi Jewish.
This can happen due to a few things - the complexity of the ethnicity admixture algorithms, the inability to distinguish maternally inherited autosomal DNA from paternally inherited autosomal DNA (in reference to the SNP testing alone and not genetic genealogy), and the errors in reading the DNA.
Not everything gets passed down completely proportionally, same with how you don't get a completely even 50/50 split from your parents. I had a tiny bit of North African squeak through from one side, which you don't see in my parent, but you can see in my grandparent. This is just my understanding, so I could be wrong. There is also a chance your readings could slightly change over time as more people register their DNA.
@@GeneaVlogger Thank you so much for your reply Jarrett!
@@preston5747 Thank you very much for clarifying it!!
When I first saw the results I was a bit worried.
I think your DNA test is (like many others) is showing you hints of the ancient migrations of your ancestors. I assume you have these ethnicities in low percentages?
Bear with me I'm not a wacko :)
Firstly you get DNA from you parents in a random manner, and that their DNA is the sum of all their ancestors. Not all genes are expressed. Some of your ancestors DNA was not 'expressed' in your parents but has shown up in your test.
Irish, Scottish and Welsh people share ancient DNA with people from the Iberian peninsula on several levels and the Irish and Welsh are known for having a more 'southern European' appearance than their English neighbours. Ever heard of the 'black irish', it's not from shipwrecked sailors of the Spanish Armada as myth would have it. It's has far older origins than that.
Your test does not show that you are Irish/Welsh/Scottish it means that you have common (ancient) ancestors with many people currently living in the western parts of the British Isles.
The South Italy/Greece reflects DNA from ancient Greek colonists that settled in southern Italy (the Romans called it "Greater Greece"). I believe the Sephardi have a lot of southern Italian heritage. Of course the Roman's settled in Portugal as well.
"Sardinian" ancestry is also interesting. Most Europeans are a deep mixture of Mesolithic (middle stone age) hunter-gatherers, Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (modern Turkey) and Bronze Age "Yamnaya" pastoralists from the steppes north of the Black Sea . Almost all European males have Yamnaya lineage.
Unlike the rest of mainland Europe it seems that Yamnaya heritage did not come to dominate male bloodlines on the island of Sardinia. So "Sardinian" really means Early European Farmer (EEF) lineage. As a side note the western portion of the British Isles also has higher amounts of EEF DNA as well. The dark hair and brown eyes of many Southern Europeans has its origins in the waves of Anatolian farmers spreading westward during the Neolithic.
I have seen a few people that thought they were full Chinese and turned out to be half or less.
Were they born here or back home??
It’s DNA.Land. It was part of a university I believe.
NYU
Well, what even is "chinese" its a massive mix of different genes, honestly i wouldn't be surprised there is Chinese pressure on this companies to show China as one whole thing.
Didn’t like the way he presented that to his wife. He sounded arrogant. It was less about her and more about him showing off. Wow, lol
You are right. I went to his UA-cam channel and watched some of his videos. He has a white superiority complex. In 1 video, he had his wife sitting on the floor at the back of his car while his family members are seated on the seats comfortably. He went on to joke how he wanted to drive to immigration.
I watch them on a regular basis and I think you are seeing what you want to see from it. They're a very happy couple and are always teasing each other. They lived happily in China until last year when they had to flea to America because the CCP were threatening them and raided their home.
@@MrJermson dude is it extremely rare for couples to joke around? I am a muslim and arab and sometimes my European friends would joke around and ask me if I am going to blow up soon. I don’t know man. He speaks respectfully about other cultures just not ccp
@@MrJermson I've been subscribed to him for years he is nothing like you are describing. He is a very caring and humble person. Clearly judging him for just being a white guy I assume. He lived in China for a decade and him and his wife have been together for a long time. She was a Doctor in China. They have a strong friendship and marriage.
@@Gwenhwyfar7 bruh you would not be able to tell how their relationship really is by the way they present themselves online.
A lot is tribal that shares the same genetic markers because there are 56 different ethnicities and ethnic groups besides Han Chinese in China they encourage everyone to pretend to be Han Chinese for the sake of national unity. You can be different tribal ethnic groups and not be considered that by culture. Based on the raw data they are looking at people who share the same genetic markers and what they are classified because this is from GED match which lets you compare to try to find more matches based on your raw data and genetic markers.
On the Gedmatch admixture results, when they show you as a mix of ethnicity 1 and ethnicity 2, it actually means that according to that Calculator, your specific admixture "looks like" you could be a mix of those too people. Dodecad as a more specific speculation doesn't show the same results as the ambiguously broad World9 Calculator. In my results I had Lumbee native American so up as well as a Californian genetic indigenous group and English, neither of these are the largest ethnicity i have, as a bi racial black and white person with a confirmed background of being Lemko/Austrian/Irish + Nigerian/Mali/Senegalese , i have had family rumors about an African slave who was daughter to a Creek woman and family ties to the Taino population within Jamaican ancestry, i had a small fraction of Hispanic ethnicity showing for a time which triggered these calculator to think i was Tri racial Lumbee or even possibly Melongean. I had an expert take a look at my chart and the only interesting thing he speculated was possibility of being Romani with a couple spikes of Indian admixture with the east European but my calculators shown to me lean towards Lithuania, basically Indo-european and picking up on indo-aryan. I'm currently trying to figure out why i am having Finnish pop up instead of Hungarian since my family was Carpathian Rusyn, but i am having Sweden and Norway show in similar distance and considering geographical distance that type of mixing isn't out of the question. Referring back to the calculators, the numbers to the right of the 2 ethnicity prediction list are to show distance, #1 means that in the Calculator you closely resemble somebody of those two ethnicities together on the genetic record, but you may not be that mix, the farther the number place away is just giving further examples, nothing set in stone or correct. That admixture results shown in bar graph style is probably from DNA(dot)land which is now a concluded project I believe, i can't seem to access it
You must appreciate the fact that, in everyday parlance, "Chinese" may refer to an allegiance to a modern nation-state or descent from a pre-modern empire, kingdom or principality. When you conflate DNA results with labels of modern sovereign states, you must expect unusual results. To use a cliché, you need to compare apples with apples.
Is that DNAland, maybe? They were a university site, I think. They are no longer there. I uploaded to that site as well. (My DNA is all over the web.)
Facts: 1. Han Chinese doesn't equate to Chinese, they're only part of Chinese, cause Chinese also include the other 55 ethnic minorities. 2. Han Chinese as an ethnic group was only created about a hundred years ago by the Anti-Manchu revolutionaries that founded the ROC, but China has always been a melting pot for hundreds if not thousands of years, so it's normal for Han Chinese especially Southern Han to have some minority ancestry or SE Asian ancestry. Southern China used to be Baiyue and Baipu territory, and it's thought they were speakers of Tai-Kradai, Austroasiatic, Austronesian, and Hmong-Mien languages. Sinitic people only conquered this region about 2,000 years ago, and large-scale Sinitic settlements down south only started around 1,000 years ago.
He is repeating what she said about taking the DNA tests, “what I’m just gonna find out I’m Chinese and you’re German” (speaking about her husband being German.
It's not 'a bit' clickbaity, it's clickbait and I wouldn't bother giving them one moment of publicity or views. Moving on.
Definitely clickbait
I think what the Gedmatch population sharing list indicates people that share similar dna to you and lists them according to how close their genes are from you. So they not related to you but it gives you an indication of how similar you are to the list of people. The people they comparing you to are from the first genome projects in the 2000's so it's best to read up those research papers since all human genomes were mapped using those people.
I find it amusing how from video to video you alternate between defending the admixture and tamping down people's expectations of the admixture.
It really is a balancing act. There is a use to the admixture and there is decent scale of reliability in the results, but it does seem like reactions are often on one end of the spectrum. Either people read it very literally or they see it as completely wrong, but sometimes there are those that read it in a much more analytical way (which it kind of requires).
@GeneaVlogger I feel like there is only a small portion of the population that has actually taken a genetics class and knows about meiosis, let alone some of its quirks like cross-over.
Imagine China as a Rome that never fell apart. China would be diverse as Rome because being empires they assimilated many different tribes and kingdoms over the course of history.
Whoa whoa whoa! *pauses video* Laoshu died?!? I did not know this!
I’m 100% Southern China/Eastern China, made in Canada ♥️🇨🇦🌏🇺🇦 went with Ancestry DNA 🧬 Guangdong Province! Hoiping, in Guangdong Province, China. Toisan Chinese dialect. Countries my ancestry 4/5 generations
I really enjoy your Vlogs. Except for the sound. The Vlogs you feature I can barely hear, when you come on, I have to adjust my sound down. Can you balance the sounds more evenly? Thanks
16:40 that’s just mental gymnastics/confirmation bias at that point. “Central Chinese” is not used as a geographical term in these contexts, it’s usually refers to a specific region in the central plains, which is claimed as the ancestral homes of Han Chinese.
she an hmong descendant as in rich hmong(aka Miao) history (5 thousand years of history) , The Hmong fled south china away from slavery (Chinese rulers used military might to suppress the Hmong and other ethnic minorities in 1790 to the 1860s) and most migrated to Laos and other country
Myheritage is technically an Asian company since they are based in Israel greatly enough their sequencing facilities is the same as FTDNA and some others in Houston TX
Interpretating the results? I think that the info in parentheses is the place the data came from, the percentage is the similarity between Vivi and the test population, and the name is (obviously) the population referenced. I am clueless as to the "Distance" category.
I've noticed that big countries like to consider nationalities by today existing countries and totally ignore the nationalities that are actually in those contries, but big countries have invaded many nationalities and if you are invaded by another country, another language and culture, it doesn't change your dna and your actual nationality. Big countries like China and Russia like to portray and campaign that everyone are native Chinese or Russian and make the small groups of nationalities dissapear from map, from people's memories etc. It is agression and the dna companies do not want to go deeper into what nationalities actually excist in a big country. At least everyone knows that USA is not a homogenous country.
Invade you fuck, Han people have similar genes, invade themselves? There have been so many invasions in American history,
I can only say that you are a stupd dog, arrogant and ignorant, if you understand the Chinese government's preferential treatment policy for ethnic minorities, you will not bark like this dog. In the past 50 years, tens of millions of Han people have voluntarily joined ethnic minorities, because they can enjoy preferential policies. China's ethnic identification policy even makes some Han people dissatisfied, because China clearly divides the domestic ethnic groups into 57 ethnic groups
3:45 I would say she has Thai and or possibly Javanese DNA.. Now, lets see if I'm wrong or correct. :)
Ehrr I don't know I may have been correct sort of maybe, no?? Maybe.
The DNA test from the Singaporean reacts video was GeneLife. :)
LaoWhy86 i like his channels i been uploading to others and and been learning a lot and cross referencing with my know family tree its not far from each other i am fairly happy with cross referencing but io think having so many people in my family obsessed with family record keeping helps
Some Chinese from guandong area and fujian area migrated to Taiwan at the time Taiwan was under the Dutch. It might explain that she has Taiwanese DNA because of intermarriage between the Chinese and aboriginal Taiwanese. This all happened before Taiwan (Formosa) was made part of China. He is not reading too much into it. He simply knows his history
I've uploaded my raw DNA data file to other companies.
No..you are wrong.. I am from Africa..I had something similar, and I found direct ethnicity and DNA of others .( I think it might be due to earlier migrations and settlements of its original ethnicity from certain areas)
I love your videos & really pay attention to what you are saying cuz is interesting & informative ... but that said I really have to question these ad’s in terms of frequency how they seem strategically inserted ... “... turns out that that you are actually STOP VIDEO INTERRUPT W-ADs- or like just happened again- as soon as I start to type in an add interrupts so that I have to listen to the whole ad(s) or loose what ever I had started entirely 🙄
Hi! Just found ur chnl and have been binge watching. Question...have u ever heard of the story of the mother (I think from the northwest US) that was NOT DNA related to her own kids??? They were gonna charge her with all kinds of fraud and it became a very distressing situation. Quote I remember is, "ur father can be anybody but u will always know who ur mother is." As a mother, I can't imagine strangers accusing that my child is not my child when I KNOW HE IS cuz I gave birth to him!!!! Pleeeeeez look up the story if u haven't come across it. I'd luv to watch it reaction to it. Keep up the videos!!!!!!
Is there anyway where id be able to have a conversation with you brother
Ethnicities are cultural, so it is not surprising. People have moved around for thousands of years and interbred. North and South Chinese people have DNA more similar to the countries that border them.
Vietnam was a kingdom under Chinese protection for centuries. People from southern China often get results showing some S.E. Asian or tribal affiliation.
Biological inheritance is far less related to the criteria of defining a nation than culture，ideology，and language.
May I ask…. When you introduce yourself at the beginning of each video, might you consider slowing down? I’m still not sure of your first and last name as you say it so quickly. Maybe watch the video and see the caption text as the spelling is different for each video. Super!!
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for being Huomg 😂
What's the best test I wonder
You should react to his DNA test he made a video about it as well called *You Are From WHAT COUNTRY!? - We Take a DNA TEST*
He is NOT HOT . He ‘s like German blue eye thinks that HE’s more elite over Medeteranian, or Picts(scotish), celts(irish), or Baltic (east EU) . Just every otehr video he’s like “i am German” , “I am German”. Its getting to d point it’s embarrassing
Yes the DNA results for Indians I always feel is underwhelming coz they never show the % of the different 3:11 Indian ethnicities as they do for Europe where they don't show "European" as a single ethnicity but break it down. China would probably be the same, even Han Chinese must've different ethnic (or sub ethnic) communities which should show up in DNA results.
It was acting! Brilliant! 🤣
Matt (Laowhy86) and Winston (SerpentZA) make very good content covering the real CCP/CPC. Matt escaped mainland China in summer of 2019. Love this!
First glance, to me she looks Thai. I can see Hmong too.
Well, she is from Southern China. The hmong actually have roots in China.
Same....
I'm shocked that her Chinese percentage is as high as it is
Taiwan aborigines are a distinct people group, one that spawned the Polynesian and Malay peoples, nearly 3000 years ago. It is theorized that they were part of a more ancient group of peoples (Austronesian peoples) in southeastern China who were absorbed on the continent by Sino-Tibetans during prehistory, but those who remained on the island continued to develop as a very distinct people. Some of those Taiwanese spread south along island chains, and then across the Pacific and Indian oceans, forming the other descendants of the Austronesians). Han Chinese didn't start settling the island of Taiwan in any significant numbers, until Europeans had started laying claim to its coastal regions in the 17th century. Taiwan aborigines are genetically pretty different from other East Asians. The other peoples of now southern China in historical times were mostly related to modern Hmong and Thai peoples, many of them moved southward as the Han colonization also moved southward, with modern Laos and Thailand occupying areas that were not formerly populated by Thai peoples. These other Sino-Tibetan peoples are more closely related to the original Han Chinese in language and genetics, part of a broader closely related group of peoples who existed prior to the rise of Chinese civilization, so it may be more difficult to separate them out genetically. Cambodians and the original Vietnamese peoples were very different from Han or Thai peoples, with originally unrelated languages and genetics. But after many centuries of Han colonization, Vietnamese have been greatly mixed with peoples from the north, often carrying family names of direct Han lineage (unlike the tribal naming described in the video). Cambodians are very distinct genetically, culturally, and linguistically, as different to the Han and Thai peoples as Taiwanese aborigines, thus even a little admixture can be more detectable in non-Cambodians.
I believe the husband. Taiwanese should not refer to the recent Chinese immigrants to Taiwan, but to Taiwanese aboriginals, otherwise why have a Taiwanese classification ? They would simply be 'Chinese'.
Taiwanese aboriginals are more than simply a 'culturally distinct' population, they're genetically and racially distinct. They are of Austronesian stock, and totally different to the Han Chinese. It gets muddled though, when coastal peoples of mainland China are considered, because many of them are a blend of mostly Sinitic and to a lesser extent Austronesian peoples (among others).
Singaporean tribe? We're a country of immigrants, mainly over the last 100 years.
I said Singaporean's Try, as in the youtube channel which had a DNA test results video. I reacted to that video and that is what I am referencing - ua-cam.com/video/Grx9XGDCubs/v-deo.html
LaoWhy86 drawing very confident conclusions from uncertain information is really his style. I enjoyed his travel videos, but I just stopped watching because he kept dropping some strange statements about some topics where I had some personal knowledge and it was clear he was overconfident in his takes. It made me doubt the other thing he was talking about sadly.
Really surprised anyone other than communist Chinese would complain about his content that exposes CCP and the policies...
Whatever the term “Chinese” encompasses, which is a broad range of ethnic groups. Her features are more Southeast Asian eight to me, Vietnamese, Thai, etc, but what a weird way for him to treat his wife.
She looks very Cantonese. Her high cheekbones, big buck teeth and olive skin. A lot of Cantonese people migrated to Vietnam.
Yeah,,,MY mom will dis own me if i find a guy looks like that. Also her nose 👃 stretches/moves when talking/eating, laughing . N they open open up n face forward….ahhhhhhhhhh😅
LaoWhy86 has a great channel.
Can you please locate my maternal grandfather American born in America 1900 had my mom in China 1929 and went back and disappeared
I agree with you...
Are you Canadian? You mentioned CBC hah.
He's not Canadian, but he reacted to a CBC news report.
Why is it that you know more about this stuff, than these people who you don't know, that are investigating and May understand better about the Data.
I think the second site he was using is my true ancestry
Seriously and no offence , just by looking at her she has majority miao origin. Again just because of my life experience. She is definitely not Han Chinese
She's not German. I follow them! They are funny!
He is German, he was talking from her point of view.
If you ask me Vietnamese doesn't count as not Chinese because their borders were more of a huge gray area awhile back. Like saying an Indian found out they have Pakistani DNA. Wtf.
East ASian maintain came from Europe, Northern of Hymalyan Moutain. INDIAN, etc all blocked by Desert n high mountain.
South East ASians ,,,they all have Black GENE 🧬 from Africa. African ppl travel thru d Islands --Madagascar native all Indonesian. So Africans travel thru d “C” circle ⭕️ of route, up north n went to India/sirulanka n land in Thai/Cambodia/ Indonesia/Malaysia …..n re emerge with East ASian that came from North.
So East ASian has NO African Gene 🧬 at all. South East ASian are mostly partically related to Indian/ West African. So they have diff facial features. Typically Forward lower face n large gum/nose :)
Even tho Viet/Cambodia right beside China, but they were blocked by a LARGE river. So she is still shocked that she’s LESS Chinese than most Chinese ppl lol. 😅
It’s very easy to check . Her look is very rare. I had never seen one ☝️ 😮
It looks like the DNALand site
LaoWhy86 and clickbait? Whaaaat?! lol.
Unfortunately, I just had to stop watch his videos because I felt there was too much of a messy situation around the end of 2019 as the news of Covid was starting to spread. I saw too many charges of “racism” against him & Serpentza, a criticism I couldn’t easily shake off, but I also had massive problems with the people making those claims as well, so I actively avoided ALL of those channels.
BUT, I definitely did enjoy Laoway86’s videos and personality for some time, and loved when his wife would show up in videos. The focus on travel and cultural things as well as the lived experience as a westerner in China, I did find beneficial.
Anyway, I was definitely excited to see he uploaded the raw data somewhere, (I did that several years ago, but it was for health info.)
Now, I am wondering about which sites I could upload my data to for some more information in genealogical terms, (I have been working more on my genealogy quite a bit lately, and using these videos to help motivate me.)
Wellll…he is vehemently anti-CCP. Not anti-Chinese. He and Serpentza have exposing channels specifically of the CCP. He’d rather she be less Chinese than something else. Confirmation bias. Makes me wonder if Serpentza did this too. His wife is Chinese too.
been watching both of them for a long time. He became increasingly anti CCP over time as his freedoms were systematically taken away, and things got harder for him, Serpentza and their families.
Your probably right, but he is also hinting at the ongoing process of the CCP trying to whitewash, or should that be Han-wash the ethnic history and culture of non-Han groups out of existence. Southern China is actually ethnically diverse and so were other areas of the country in the past. The CCP want the Chinese to be "one people" and that really means "Han". Ask the Tibetans or the Uyigurs if they feel that their cultures are respected.
Are these other ethnicities in China not Chinese?
@@yolandechristian9584 no, it is like the Russians during the Soviet Union era occupied the non Russians like Baltic nations, Ukrainians or Belorussians, imposing the Russian language and culture. Also, in other Eastern European countries.
Yeah my wife who looks Cherokee (with roots) and has roots to Apache according to DNA is not.
Yeah she probably not...sometimes genes from certain white and black people can make one look like they have native american feature. Many human facial features repeat even though the dna could be from wildly different locations.
Definitely she is not Han Chinese, but more of South east Asian. Could be Cantonese, but also doesn't look like one of them.
Would you please give a presentation on geneology study in respect of Syrian christians from. Kerala , India
Kerala is a state in Southern part of India with long history of maritime trade for spices. You might have read about Christopher Columbus travelling westwards from Portugal by sea to discover a route to India under the presumption that earth is spherical and landing at some West Indies island in the early colonial period.
@GebeaVlogger, I think you missed the subtext of the video you were reviewing. In your case, (and I do think you are very good at what you do), the saying 'to a hammer, everything looks like a nail' fits. The Chinese government has been activity attempting to stamp out 'identity' of the individual for decades. Their message is basically, 'You are to be a member of a collective, a single people, the greatest of all the peoples of the world.' They are told, 'You are one ethnicity.' This video was pushing back on that. Yes, to you she is Chinese, but to her, to not be Han Chinese is to not be Chinese. And so, with all due respect, you sort of blew it. Yes, I am sure he didn't read or even really understand what he was seeing, but in another, truly fundamental way, neither did you. Peace.
Whilst I don't dispute what you are saying about the Chinese government and you are spot on I think in her reaction to it, basically that is saying she not what she's been conditioned to believe, and that by not being Han Chinese is not being Chinese, Jerry is also spot on in his criticism that the guy in the video who has been uploading her DNA to various places (sorry I don't know his name) is basically trying to find evidence so that he can put out the clickbaity video that will get a lot of views claiming she's not Chinese, when to everyone who knows about genealogy and has watched a lot of these Geneavlogger reacts videos knows that DNA does not resist modern borders and so won't respect Chinese Communist party propaganda either.
So you're both right, but this to me smacks of a person who only showed evidence of what was having up what he was trying to find in order to create as shocking a video as possible, which to me it wasn't. Sure if you've been indoctrinated into thinking the minorities in China aren't Chinese you'll think a different way, but to any objective person she's Chinese, and the fact that he didn't show exactly where he was uploading the DNA to and where the analysis came from makes me highly suspicious of these results (not that I'm not suspicious of Ethnicity Estimates in the first place, they are after all only estimates).
If he'd have used a Chinese DNA test company (although maybe this might be rigged, I don't know) which has a bigger database of DNA from over all of China and South East Asia also makes these results nothing more than an estimate. To me this video said she was 97% Chinese with a small percentage that may have been from some neighbouring part of SE Asia, but may also just have been Chinese that hasn't been deciphered yet by lack of testing and migration of peoples throughout the region to and from China over the centuries and millennia.
WeGene and DNAland are the two unfamiliar companies
Why didn’t he just look at her matches, and fine relatives, with most 97% connections and ask where they’re from.....
He’s used, DNA.Land and gedmatch. It is interesting, every website I’ve tested, including these I’ve come up south Asian. Anyway, 23 and me does a better job than the third parties, because that’s where she has her matches. SMH
Her looks more Vietnam's then Chinese ! Slanted-eyed Asians, as in Europe, as in Asia, the image is separate from each other, blacks in Africa vary according to the region, we can understand that there are more or less differences in each continent.
Apparently some Africans has slanted eyes
He made a confused person, more confused.
I personally think, just because where she from is closer to equatorial lines, just makes more melanin.
Like all us pakistanis, we have variety of skin colours, some similar indians and some blond hair and green eyes and blue eyes. We have varied climate, so our complexion reflects that variation.
Like people tell me I do not look pakistani, I look syrian or turkish or iraqi but I do look pakistani according in my knowledge, but I think we just fall on similar axis or distances away from equator so our complexion matches. Like person in mexico or brazil or italy might have similar complexion just we are similar distances away from the equator...which impacts our melanin production and facial features...
That guy is so annoying to me. I'm always happy to watch you go over their video.
what do you think about my true ancestry?
ASTROLOGY appears to be Far better option!!!
Well I thought she was Vietnamese.
by physical appearance she doesn't look chinese
No this is still major click bait, Yes of course he was really shocked l o l
So much taboo commentary from that video. No wonder he had to escape the Chinese government.
She looks very Viet and cute
He should have just said "Congrats! You're Asian!" and left it at that, he's definitely digging too hard and way too specific with the Gedmatch oracles, interpreting the calculator results can cause a lot of confusion to the lay person as shown here.