Plane Is Too Heavy for Pushback
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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one can also describe the apron as being too wet/slippery for this plane's weight or rolling resistance.
but that’s not clickbait
deicing fluid on the ramp
@@andreww2098 I hate this stuff.
Yeah, supposedly that’s exactly what happened in the 777 clip. Deicing fluid on the ramp caused the tractor to struggle.
They say that plane is still at the gate to this very day
That SWISS A320 touch n go in the wind… I was absolutely blown!
I don’t know what those ramp agents were thinking. You don’t use a second ramp vehicle to push a pushback. Get another pushback vehicle because there is something wrong with that one. It should be able to push a 777.
Especially if the second ramp tug only weights 5 tonnes.
@@ImperrfectStranger totally.
Sometimes I get the drift of the explanation and sometimes I don't. But I always enjoy the compilation! Good job! 🛫 ✈️ 🛬
Aviation enthusiasts always massively overstate the contribution of ground effect to floating a landing. If somebody flares too high to early, they’re going to float. You don’t need ground effect to explain that, and it’s impact to the landing is proportionally tiny.
The person who designed the landing gear needs am award....
I’m sure it was more than one person.
that swiss airbus was really moving
Great lending ❤❤❤
nice
Pilot forgot to release his parking brake
How do they pushback a heavy plane like that then?
Nope, the ground was wet, the tires were probably almost bald on that tractor. And that tractor is too small to be pushing that playing anyway. So the planes not too heavy.
strange ...beacon on pushback doesnt stop with vehicules moving behind the plane. safety rules of this airport???????
We already saw this but whatever
777 ate too much
First to enjoy this video.
Wing walkers suck, tug driver sucks, the army of people driving being the aircraft sucks. Honestly as a ground crew guy this is just an average day at my workplace.
This channel is getting lame…..
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first! fucking pog champ !
You’re not, but your boyfriend still loves you.
"Jim, you forgot the parking break again"
"You also forgot the beacon lights"
@@Youtub77W 😅 That's exactly what I was gonna comment!
Nah his too much drink fuel today
Pilot was forsure doggin him with the brakes
It was John
0:19 tell me chicago has an obesity epidemic without telling me chicago has an obesity epidemic
Is this a repost? I have definitely seen the pushback tractor doing a burnout on the apron in a previous 3 mins of aviation video
Nah man! That was the "other" aviation channel. 😒
@@massey4business There's another Daily Dose of Aviation channel?
That landing gear is a thing of engineering beauty.
I recommend watching the deployment sequence of the XB-70's.
and don't forget C-5 Galaxy 😁
Seems totally safe to lock yourself in the landing gear Bay Area
It’s the engines for me
@@hilman94 Oh yes, seen that video, it's pretty cool with volume up!
It's not because it was too heavy, the ground was covered in deicing liquid
yup, daft title
Is it not also the exhaust from the tug? Not some awesome burnout
Planes do not get de-iced at the gates ffs
@@pauli6570they most certainly can
@@pauli6570 They do at some airports
This video is a reminder that every descent is a touch-and-go with an option to land.
I wish the trip7 pilot just said, " alright ground, everyone just clear the heck out, i'm going full reverse push back. " 😄
I have heard that referred to as a "power back" - maybe the 777 thrust reversers cannot do that?
@@michaelinhouston9086 as far as I know most airlines dont allow their pilots to use trust reverse on ground
@@Manni4 there's a old but really cool video of an American Airlines, I believe, DC-9 doing it on Flight level 360 website.
@@Manni4 yeah, only in the air
Read somewhere that the incident in the first clip was because of black ice/very wet concrete not because the plane was too heavy.. Maybe i am wrong..
Makes sense, given that you can see the ground is wet
I would go with your explanation. I've pushed a lot of airplanes and never had one do that under normal conditions.
It’s de icing fluid. Not black ice.
Exactly the same happened to me when i worked at an airport. Only with a 757 which the tug was more than capable of pushing! 🚚
It did not help the tug operator to be pushing the plane at an angle. Similar to hand pushing a car from the front side fenders. Dumb.
Incorrect. With a plane, an angle can help. If you push a plane with a tug, both the tug and the plane are going the same speed. If you use the tug to spin the plane on the spot, the fuselage acts as a lever against the shorter distance between the wheels. Tug moves further than the plane wheels, so force is amplified. Of course the pilot has to cooperate by pointing the wheels at the tug in order to maximise the effect of the tug's force (and in that you are correct, because the pilot wasn't doing that all the time.) Tug should have, asked pilot for full steering lock, then disconnected/reconnected several times to that plane away from the stand.
@@londonalicante the pilot cannot control the steering during a push back. Not sure where u get this from.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 During the initial pushback, the tug is nicely lined up with the direction of the nosewheel. At 0:39, where the tug is pulling the plane back to the gate, the tug is now moving at 45 degrees to the nosewheel. You are technically correct that the pilot would not be controlling the steering while the tug is connected. From a physics point of view, if the tug had disconnected and the pilot had turned the nosewheel in the direction the tug wanted to go, then the tug reconnected, the tug would have had a better angle to apply force to the nosewheel. I know that's not exactly what I said but I was trying to keep it short and focus on physics not aviation. Pilot has control of the nosewheel when the tug is not connected but it's not really practical for the tug to keep disconnecting / reconnecting so the pilot can help position the nosewheel for him (especially with procedures for disconnecting / reconnecting the steering.)
If the tug disconnected once it started slipping and the pilot turned the nosewheel to full lock, and the tug then reconnected in the new direction of travel as the nosewheel to maximise the fug's force, I reckon it could have spun the plane on the spot, with the nose of the plane moving a long distance while the main wheels (main gear) moved a short one. That would help if the plane is allowed to move away under its own power when pointing in the right direction. If the tug has to move the plane any kind of distance before it starts its engines, it doesn't really help.
@@londonalicante ok, so something similar gets done occasionally, but not the way u explain. With a tow bar, even when pointed straight, the tug simply comes in at an angle. This way the tug turns just the nose wheel. Then it disconnects and comes in from the other side.
By the way, moving a nose gear like that while the airplane isn’t rolling can damage the tires, so it has to be done carefully.
U can’t angle an airplane away from the gate and power out. That is an accident waiting to happen. You gotta do a full pushback.
Will "the person of size" in seats 36a ,b & c, kindly get off the plane so we can be pushed back!
Please be careful when opening the wheel well, items such as a landing year could fall out due to turbulence.
Happened to me back in the early 70s aboard a Eastern airlines 747 inaugural VIP flight. The airport was MIA and it was a rainy day. They pushed for about 20 minutes until they finally got us off for the one-hour demo flight. It was a beautiful Eastern livery but it was leased from Pan Am and all of the interior was Pan Am.
An airport Missing In Action? Splendid job, how did they manage that?
where did the airport go
Gorgeous livery!
I wonder at what point the person filming the gear retraction either sucked in their gut or thought, "Maybe there isn't enough room in here for me after all?"
Was that first truck only 2wd? I only saw the front tires smoking. And also how much power is in these? I’d imagine close to 1000 since they have to move around these giant loads😂
Can he go ahead and fire up the reversers or is that out of the question? Just to help the tractor
@@brianrigsby7900 they are not allowed to for several reasons, but the immediate concern would be all the items around the gate that could become airborne debris causing damage or injury, including damage to those very expensive engines if something gets sucked in.
They could theoretically do it if ground crews cleared the entire area and acted as spotters while they reversed, but that would be very time-consuming and disruptive to all the other operations.
Power is irrelevant provided they have a low enough gear. What's important is the tug doesn't have enough weight on its wheels. I reckon they could have got this out by zigzagging. It's easier to turn a plane with a tug than it is to push it / pull it, because the long fuselage acts a lever on the shorter distance between the two wheels.
I googled, one that came up turbo 6 cylinder 477ci (7.8L) 300hp (225kw).
Wrong size tug for the job. I saw one that size trying to pushback an A380. That's like trying to push back a cruise ship with a rowboat.
The right size tug. There was no grip due to de ice liquid.
My wife: “OMG, that such a scary landing, and now we are taking off again??!!!!”. Me: “this will be a great video on UA-cam. So cool!!!”
Yay, plane stuff! 🎉
Wrong. Airplane is not too heavy. You are making your usual uninformed assumptions again. It’s the tug.
ah, I see-this landing gear also gets retracted before being stored away.
"I said 50,000 lbs, not 50,000 kilograms, you idiot"
- The pilot
That's the same tug they use to move Oprah away from the buffet line.
I'm giving it all i can, Captain...if i give anymore the engine may buckle
And don't forget, the paint on the tarmac. Water on top of paint is like trying to traction on ice...
You can see skid marks on non painted surfaces once the tractor has moved off past them.
Also, they don't use regular line marking paint you would see used on a road or car park for example. It is specially formulated to resist wear for one thing and also to reduce the possibility of skids occurring.
You're comparing apples to oranges there. It is also likely that area is marked with skid resistant thermoplastic resin.
A plane full of overweight Americans, too heavy for pushback…
Curious why the tug had problems pushing but not pulling?
Probably, because the wheels were not spinning. It seems obvious that spinning tires are a stupid method of pushing a heavy load
@@fluffigverbimmelt But why did they spin going forward and not spin going back?
I'm sorry, but I can approve of the sentence regarding ground effect. reduced ability to form wingtip vortices (and therefore exploiting a larger wing surface area to produce lift since the loss in this bleeding off of high pressure air below the wing into the upper wing section is greatly reduced) is a reason, yes. the remainder looks like own research/imaginative writing. induced drag is what causes lift and so does downwash-an indicative as well as inevitable byproduct of lift. it creates a cushioning effect which makes it more efficient by compressing and effectively increasing air pressure below/behind the wing which this downwash sheds into, increasing its effect.
The Amsterdam one reminds me of coming back from there to Gatwick. Scary landing, even for me. I thought the wing was gonna hit the grass.
Personally, I feel that Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport should be renamed "Anne Frank International Airport."
1:25 very dangerous move there, swiss
I would bet money that the tech crew forgot to release the nosewheel brakes. I saw it happen at EWR a long time ago - the sight and sound of the tow-bar snapping is something I have not forgotten.
I bet money you have no idea what you are talking about...
well, some B727's had them as an option @@andrewhawk2642
The LATAM 767 at the end seemed to be going to fast for the landing.
Cargo pilot, that’s all you need to know 😂
@@pudzian90 Yep, that's the way it looked to me too.
1:21 - "I want a Pop-Tart!... uh, Pop-Tarts can wait."
For the purists in the audience:
1:21 - "I want a Stroopwafel!... uh, Stroopwafels can wait."
ground crew guy: hey yo mr pilot i cant really move ur plane coz its too heavy
pilot: well thats your problem noob
Ground crew guy: rude!
Pilot: your mom's rude
ground crew guy: ... thats not really funny. i quit. *stomps off in a rage*
Pilot: hey! whos gonna pull my plane?
Glegh- It’s a parking brake, you know the brakes that stop your vehicle, unless of course they are broken and don’t work. 🤦♂️
Well if it was a DC-9 or MD-80 they would would have said **** it, we’re doing a power pushback
Too heavy? OR, perhaps THE GROUND IS WET AND THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH TRACTION, duh!
it's not that the plane is too heavy. there's a well known maximum takeoff weight and the pushback capability should be able to cope with it. I'd say more that the pushback truck is not heavy enough, or the tyres are not grippy enough for the wet ramp.
It has nothing to do with the plane being too heavy. I worked at the airport for 28 years you have no idea what you're talkin about. The ground is wet in the tires are spinning😂😂😂😂😂😂
Your use of the word "incredible" is incredibly overdone. I'm a pilot and every one of the things you said was incredible is entirely credible and believable. Give it a rest already!
Is that a Saudia kite? I've been on some of those services where they really load them up...😮
That tug that couild not push out the "to heavy aircraft" how come it was able to pull it back without any problem?
It's not that the plane was too heavy, it's that the tug trying to push the 777 back was a POS...
The 777 should probably use reverse thrust to make the pushback easier
Don't push; pull with your wheels! That's what my father taught me!
Imagine the people on that plane like when are we starting push back😂😂😂😂
They prob used the wrong push back on the first one and that attempt to push it is a big nono they prob got introuble for that
Pretty dumb that Airport tried to use a regular tug, because there are correct ones used to push twin aisle jets
Stupid airport should’ve had a stronger tug,pathetic
Looked like a 'go around' instead of a practice landing @1:25.....
Amsterdam Schiphol Airport: rain, of course.
The way airlines really push the limits of the airframe of is crazy
How can a 777 be to heavy for a tug to push?
Wet ground, under powered tug, possibly a brake sticking on the aircraft, many possibilities
It could also be, and more likely to be, that the gearbox/transmission on the tug has clapped out and simply needs replacing. You have to remember that these tugs do a hell of a lot of very frequent heavy pushing and pulling all day, every day. Things break and wear out. Because if that 777 was that heavy that a fully operational tug couldn't push it, it has no hope of taking off.
Loading Weight of Airplane is restricted by MTOG. Maximum Take Off Gross. This is the takeoff weight that cannot be exceeded because of the flight characters [ Operational limits ] of the Aircraft. It can also be restricted by length of flight since there is a maximum landing weight. { Takeoff Weight - Fuel Usage ] It is up to the ground crews to choose the correct tractors for pushback.
Oh funny story it was just way to wet on the ground for the tires to get enough grip
heard the intro/outro song play from a persons phone on the bus.. smiled to myself.. "i know what they are watchin!"
Tarmac is wet, that is why the tug broke traction.
I hope they did a correct W&B. You don't fly aircraft if they are too heavy. I'm assuming it poor ramp conditions and not an overweight aircraft. That tug is more than adequate for that aircraft.
They picked the wrong pushback. You need the largest one. That ones for a 757 or smaller.
think the tug one has more to do with the shit all over the apron
JUST THE OIL THAT LEAKED OUT OF ENGIENS ON THE GROUND?
So there is room for me to stowaway on an A330!
as a commercial pilot :your Channel is on hell of a Textbook Samples.Great .
Pilot after finish burnout push back: oh i forgot the brake they are on the co-pilot good job joe
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Caseoh is probably on the plane
Pushing back in de-icing liquid
I always assumed push back tractors were 4 wheel drive. Guess not.
Another interesting vid - thanks
How much force does the pushback tag have to push some so much larger and heavier than itself?
I often wonder if the post on a cargo carrier like to view the scenery outside?! No windows to look out of!😊
All that barbed wire in Miami 😮
The break was still activated
Those crosswind landings are cool to watch. Do pilots get critiqued after each landing?
Is the parking brake on?
obviously the ground is wet
the planes ate too many burgers 😂
The aborted landing... Epic pilot decision making!!!
Sadly, no Aerosucrae