What Are the International Implications of China’s Diplomatic Coup and, in Particular, For India?
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On Friday China pulled off a diplomatic coup by brokering the restoration of full relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran. What are the international implications of this surprise achievement? In particular, what impact will it have on India’s rivalry with China? On China’s influence in South Asia ? And on America’s troubled relationship with China? Could that, in turn, affect India? Join us at 2.00 pm Indian time for a live interview with India’s foremost West Asia expert, former ambassador to UAE, Oman and twice to Saudi Arabia Talmiz Ahmed. That’s live at 2.00 pm. Here’s the link:
China has strengthened its position everywhere across the globe, while USA's position is diminishing. This is evidenced in Africa, Latin America and now Middle East. With our current visionless government and EAM, we have no road ahead except rhetoric.
The peril is even greater. As the west declines and we keep embracing the US and QUAD etc. we antagonise China further.
We have always been a barking dog. The problem is in future we have to bite but yeah we are not ready and I think we might never be ready.
@@nvaravind5394 barking dog ?...only since 2014 we have been a barking dog. Please tell me another instance when India been a barking dog pre-2014. enlighten me...
@@ageless1003 did we not lose India China war (1962)? . See, what I am telling is we are not capable of facing or resisting china in economy or military might but our leaders always speak tough and try to bully Pakistan as if it is a major threat to our country.
@ageless1003 yes the blunder of a string of pearls, BRI, no environmental clearance on LAC, ignoring the NE infrastructure etc.
We should bow to UPA govt for this which deluded itself .
*Saudi Arabia and Iran rising above sectarian differences is great for Humanity!*
rightly said.
One of the best interviews I have heard . Ambassador Ahmad is very insightful. Too often the world is seen from the perspective of rivalry hegemony etc. Ambassador's idea that India and China need not be rivals but each will still positive roles to play. If the the Chinese diplomacy has brought about closer relations to former rivals India should be happy to make efforts to solve our problems with China through dialogue and diplomacy. For America hegemony seems to be the only way to control the world. America wants India and China to be rivals and enemies. India should not fall into their trap. India and China are ancient civilizations. They should show the world how countries and neighbours can live in peace and harmony and collaborate with each other to promote each other's good
Agree with each and every word of Ambassador Ahmad. In contrast to China's global vision, Modi's short-sighted, rhetorical and transactional leadership catering to party/ideology and corporate partners (namely Adani/Ambani) has ruined india.
Bb ni no no no
This episode was true to the tagline of the show. A tour de force Karan, with an immensely knowledgeable and credible guest, Amb Ahmad. Bravo to you both! Support for a year secured from this fan!
This is the first time I heard a thoughtful, insightful, and balanced view on India's position in the world from an India ambassador. I believe that India does have talents to deal with global issues successfully.
Ohh, it does oddles of it but the PR generation doesn't even know what world politics and diplomacy is !!!
Maybe you are right with your last sentence.
The country is with The Wire for its honest true and bold journalism. Keep it up.
India should cooperate with China and resolve the border issue amicably and honestly. Talmiz Ahmad has made the relevant point that India need to be credible
Modi needs to be credible, which he is not.
@@ageless1003 we can't compete with China but certainly we need the complete destruction of pakistan
India should be realistic about its geographical location. Cocking a snook at China and expecting the US to be a great support is a recipe for disaster. With our neighbours we should be generous and supportive to allay their fears of a giant neighbour making life difficult for them.
In South Asia, each of our neighbours has a border with us but we sit between all of them. Being accommodative will enhance our standing.
@@udayabose2357 everyone can see the true picture except for modi as he is blinded by his hate ideology.
Accomodation from Chinese perspective is giving them Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.
Are you supporting this?
Mr. Ahmed should be India's Foreign Minister.
remove modi first.
Yes such an intelligent man. I would even say prime minister as he has vision and foresight. Imagine that India instead of China would have been in the headlines for brokering this peace deal if he was there instead of modi.
Unfortunately a discussion like this completely gone from the public and mainstream media/ TV. It's going to be a much bigger challenge for India which is completely occupied an issue which is self created internally
Now we are realising this. News channels in India since 2008 were garbage. Showing aliens abducted cows 🤣 and people watched it. From 2014 they became hate spewing machines. People watched that as well...
This is by far, the best and candid discussion and opinions from the Indian ambassador. We still have a lot of peace loving and objective minded people in this world, no matter where they come from in terms of rivalry. Thank you Mr. Host! Thank you ambassador!
Ambassador Talmiz....a wise indian diplomat...
What an awesome dialogue … Thank u Mr . Thapar for bringing a powerhouse of intellect like Mr. Ahmed …
A top class interview..highly professional..
Excellent interview. Amb Ahmed is lucid, forthright and wise.
Always admired Karan Tharpar as a most accomplished jounalist; but this diplomat has been a real revelation. His language is so clear,concise, and informative - great analytical skills. Trust Karan to introduce this diplomat to this discussion.
Enjoyed the conversation which was fruitful and relevant and indicative of the situation around the region.
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview, pointed questions and interesting answers.
The Saudi-Iran deal should have been India's to close. That did not happen because India is getting too close to America, joining Quad, and following US instructs on Iran, losing Iran's trust, and coming second for Saudi.
For the same (kowtowing to America) reason India cannot be the voice of the South.
America is father of everyone so u can't do anything
Very hard hitting talks. Truth will prevail. Karan, thank you 😊
Very rightly said, ex. ambassador, Mr Ahmad...👍 There is a saying,
"What you sow, so shall you reap"...
Earlier, Palestinian used to call us, Friends from India, Our government then, along with other nations, used to support Arab Palestinians against the inhumane, illegal occupation & encroachment of their land by Israel.
After 2014, our government changed that policy & started supporting the oppressor Israel, and we lost our credibility in that region.
Now our all-weather allie Russia is also very close to our rival China and also has very strong relations with China.
Total failure on foreign policies...
China is known for treating every country, regardless of its size, with respect. Whenever a leader of a smaller nation visits China, they are warmly welcomed with red carpets. In contrast, it is unfortunate that India seems to disregard its neighbors.
........except the US of A and the US were not given the opportunity to visit China talking BS or looking for money to save US economy.
Thanks a lot to both of you
China sees other neighboring countries as opportunities and treats them as friends, while India tends to view them as problems and treats them as enemies.
only since 2014. Please understand we started SARC !
I think present Govt n pm driffted away from china from intial early meeting with them when china president visited India and modi hosted great party for him.
India import so much from china.
Now Border issue going on.
@@ageless1003 who broke pakistan into 2 pieces?
India under PM Modi is going to create enmity between Indians on religion, caste etc. so much as to wreck havoc as Indian demographic dividend has already turned into liability except a few who fled India for better opportunities!
A very important discussion by Karan Thapar & Amb. Talmiz Ahmed,,,,,, I wonder why our media has failed to cover it,,,,,,
We are mesmerized by his scholarship and insight.his column in THE HINDU keep us updated.
Respect for this diplomat very good observation and analysis of every topic he was talking about
Very practical talk. Excellent, Highly intellectual
Thanks to both the intellectuals for adding to the knowledge relevant to the issue and surrounding the circumstances.
Thank you, Ambassador...
Wow, so much wisdom from Mr Talmiz Ahmad; he should be advising the Indian government on foreign affairs.
haha...but will b*sta*d Modi listen ??....
As a Chinese,Mr.Ahmad who has my utmost respect for his knowledge.👍👍👍👍
@@jimmylam9846 lol chinese watching the wire
Grow up they got better things to do
I know where you are from and what you are trying make by your comment
Yes they can but all the same India should play aconstructive role in the region n avoid divisive communal politics with in the country.
@@invictusyt6646 tell me where is he from, chaddi ?
Excellent Interview , was just guessing how much difference it would have made if Amb.Talmiz Ahmad MEA Cabinet Minister instead of current appointee, as our foreign policy is again weakest ...
Excellent discussion. Very useful information.
Such an eye opener! Thanks
Karan: You are one of the finest we have. However, I have a suggestion for you... Please do send the questions to your interviewees upfront but conduct the session as if you have not sent the questions.... Reason: You can cut down your cutting into the conversation while the other person is speaking
Really don't know where our Vishwaguru stands or understands world politics in this diplomatic coup by China.
Two observations: This Ambassador is awesome in terms of his knowledge in geopolitics and strategy. He should be the prime minister or at least, the foreign minister of India. Secondly. Mr. Karan Thapar needs to attend a workshop on Listening Skills. 😀(He is too impatient and finds himself interrupting the Ambassador most of the time.) Thank you, Mr. Thapar for having such interviews.
You are right - It appears that way - But Karan Sir (in the interest of brevity) has to forcefully pull the host to the core topic - else the entire discussion strays all over the place
@@deccanheart Agree. It was in jest and good spirit. I respect Mr. Thapar bigtime, He is one of the last hopes for real journalism in India and abroad.
These interviews are such brilliant learning opportunities and mind opening experiences. These interviews must be shown in schools and colleges for (andh bhakt) kids to learn and understand. Must also be shown to journalists to show them what real journalism is.
Yes sir. There are other interviews by the wire as well such as of Shyam Saran, Shiv Shankar Menon etc...watch them. It will open your eyes more....brilliant pieces discussion.
Well done, Mr. Ahmed, you have told the truth about China's no-threat position. I hope Mr. Modi and his team, Mr. Jaishankar and Mr. Doval play an honest role in mending ties with China post-Glawan.
The removal of 370 has led China to react in the Himalayas, a severe error of judgment by MEA Mr. Jaishankar and Mr. Doval, a hot border with China is not in the best interest of India.
Kudos to both the host and guest. India still live in a world of make believe.
India does the Talk but cannot do the Walk . When the Chinese Government
makes a promise they deliver and this is the difference between Delhi and Beijing..
Very informative analysis
China is going way ahead. China has shown it's the Super Power in the East
Mr. Karan Thapar, you are genius no doubt. You want your guest to give you straight answer to your pointed questions and strictly remain limited to the subject you broached. In a discussion it is hardly ever possible. I would request you to let the guest to do justice to the points he is making by letting him clearly explaining things. When you obstruct/intervene impatiently you are not only being unkind to him but also disappoints us viewers. May be you have time constraints. But another genius like you, for example, today's guest who is an expert on west Asia, should have been allowed a little more freedom to express himself. And, forgive me if I am wrong, it is felt that you put your questions to the guest expecting a reply which you have already in your mind, and you become restless when you don't get it straight. All your questions today could have been answered in the same way by any keen observer of China and middle East. What was interesting was how Mr. Talmiz Ahmed analysed it for us with such brilliance. Hope you don't take amiss of my views. The discussion was quite lively and thank you very much.
Hello Karan Sir, I would like to see an interview with Mr. S. Narendra on his latest book "India's Tipping Point".
Rgds, Sagnik
How can India be a member of Quad and be a close friend of Russia at the same time?
Seems well read well experienced person
Karan thanking you for inviting Mr.Ahmad
To your program. Mr Ahmad outstanding
Knowledge is very powerful. India should
Take an advantage to take his message
Seriously. Stop playing domestic Rhetoric
Game.Treat every citizen equally. Build
The confidence across the all the people
Of India.Try to unite snd not to
In South America we are surprised by high level of confrontation between India and Pakistan (frequent wars, now risking use of nuclear weapons)
They coexisted peacefully under British rule some 100 years ago!
Well said ambassador!!!!
Amazing Discussion
It's very good talk by former Ambassador Talmiz Ahmad. Mr. Thapar also asked very good and pointed questions.
But I would suggest Mr. Karan Thapar to see this interview again and see his conduct.
1) He was excessively cutting Mr. Ahmad, not allowing to answer fully.
2) Mr. Thapar has habit of doing it. But this time he is too much to see.
3) Even though we always look forward to his interviews, this habit is very irritating.
Regards
Ataharahmad Itbarkhan
Totally agree - it was very annoying
Good and realistic discussion. Noted carefully.
Excellent &valuable information.
This is part of China’s larger strategy to get the yuan to be the global currency of trade to replace the US Dollar. This is possible if the Saudi’s, Iran and Russia accept the yuan as payment for oil.
Fabulous interview!
Great!
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India has always been reactionary AFTER THE FACT
“ Be A pioneer for once for god sake “
“ explore the boundaries of unknown “
“ you don’t have to be the biggest dog , but the wisest cat “
Thank you
Earlier
MEA: Ministry of External Affairs.
Now
MEA:Modi Enhancement Apparatus.
Fabulous...
thanks for nice interview
Our chaiwalla is also looking globally to open franchises of chaiwallas..
hehe....he can only sell Chai. Time to kick him and his ideology out
"Hardly any country takes india seriously".
But rhetoric s continue. As recently as G20 flop show, but Indians are given to understand, Modi has taken india to the world stage with the G20 Chairmanship which in reality is by rotation. " "The world is watching the Indian Budget with HOPE", Modi roared. 😄
Do stop interrupting the interviewee. Note down your point. Let him complete. Then put your point. We are aware that you as an interviewer know much more. Relax. Let the man talk.
Mr Ahmad has impress me with his views you can tell he has a lot of experience in geopolitics 👍🏼
Amb Talmiz Ahmed is very lucid in his views. But Iran and Saudi Arabia will not keep all their eggs in the Chinese basket. The fact is that India has a limited role to play as it lacks resources. Both the USA and Israel can sabotage any deal in the future. Prof Surender Bhutani in Warsaw (Poland)
Prof. There is a widely accepted view among many nations that the root cause of all conflicts is the US and its corporate greed. One could see how hastily US retreated from Afghanistan once they realised the ground situation getting too hot to handle. Same with Iraq. Their involvement in India has been one of the main reasons that led to Ladakh invasion by PLA and eventual capture of 1000sqkm of Indian territory and 26 / 65 posts across the Ladakh sector. India has faltered as far as its economic growth is concerned. This means, we hardly are able to exert influence globally. Let us not get carried away by the self congratulatory speeches and announcements made in Indian media. They are ONLY meant for domestic consumption. Iran needs weapons and it gets it from Russia. Iran needs investments and that is given by China ( 400 B deal ). Iran needs access to global markets / banking for its trade expansion. Saudi and China can facilitate it. The real problem is for us, Israelis and west who have chosen a path of confrontation with China, Russia, Turkey and Iran. India did some smart moves by buying Russian oil. But that is a drop in the ocean. India's defence / military compulsions led us to engage with Russia. It doesnt show genuine desire to engage with Russia. This aspect is known to Russians and they are playing it safe for the time being because of the Ukr war. As the situation stabilises, Russians will become more active and then India's stance will be questioned. The allignment of China Saudi Iran Turkey Russia is a tectonic shift in geopolitics. India's MEA is busy garnering praises for news bytes released by Loudmouth Jaishankar. We are increasingly getting isolated even within South Asia, thanks to Modi's extreme right and aggressive posturing. Classic example is thay of Bhutan, which has drifted away from us towards China. A drastic change is needed in our foreign policy.
@@gurusastropalmistry2214 good comment. I knew this would happen since 2014. Everything has turned out domestic and international as i expected.
Laughable ! Professor ????
The guest diplomat is both realistic, pragmatic as compared to this host being always being politically correct instead of manifesting more positive approach but emotional off balanced to drive the ignorance of Indian intellectuals n politicians..
Modiji should call his boss in Washington and ask him what to say and do now.... by the way Babaji there is also shocked and confused.
Ambassador seemed agitated when Karan mentioned joy in Islamabad..!!! He brushed aside Pakistan, he should have responded... Pakistan is in between Iran, Saudi Arabia and China, and now it will have benefits of these 3 in sync. Ambassador should consider pressure India would face vis a vis Pakistan when these three are in sync and want a stable Pakistan for their own interests.
Karanji, please allow the guest to speak.
There are tens and thousands of people in India know Arabic and Persian language and see who achieved breakthrough in the region..Alas. shear negligence on the part of foreign affairs department and intelligence agencies.
Talmiz ahmed is the right person on this matter
Viswaguru is clueless. He thinks abusing Rahul Gandhi will mask his incompetence. G 20 FMs meetings was a catastrophe. Now blindsided by the Chinese success. Only his minions singing paeans the only consolations for the viswaguru
Mr Thapar, you must allow your guests to complete their thoughts; your constant interruptions distracts them and also robs viewers of your guests’ full perceptions.
Thanks thanks thanks
How can one expect India 🇮🇳 to play a mediatory role between Iran and Saudi Arabia, two Muslim countries.
Oh wow...Einstein is talking listen to his precious foreign strategy😁😁
China is widely recognized for its contributions to the development and well-being of other countries, often without seeking public recognition for its efforts. Conversely, it is regrettable that India sometimes appears to obstruct progress and belittle other nations in the media.
every neighboring country has anti-Hindu agenda. :P
I guess we need to ask African countries & Sri Lanka.
@@ageless1003 This is the problem that India sees every neighboring country as wrong but only India is right. How come so many neighboring countries can be wrong. Well, that is why every Indian neighboring country loves China because they are not living in denial.
@@itlearner1175 I saw all your comments.. you seem to be ardent supporter of chinas actions such as grabbing hanbantota now in future Gwadar port.. that’s called respect in chinas terms..
@@3008venky Hambantota was offered by SriLanka first to India. We refused- failing to recognise its strategic importance. China stepped in.
KT, you being a seasoned anchor / interviewer, keep interrupting the guest(s) again and again.. which is very irritating to your listeners
India needs to focus first on her neighbors. Only after that, she can play a pivotal role in global diplomacy.
rightly said. SARC needs to be re-booted.
Very free and frank views. Its hard reality whatever has been said here. Its wake up call for us. Lets introspect.
I had a comment on the interviewer. This particular one, there was a bit too much interruption resulting in loss of chain of thought.
There were times when the guest was saying an interesting point which I would've preferred to learn about and was interrupted.
Just some positive criticism.
congratulations
Do not,interrupt!!!
It would have been beneficial for India to have been in reasonable relationship with KSA and IRI , that being said like Mr. Jaishankar has pointed out, that India will seek options benefical for India. USA is India's biggest trading partner but now India is getting oil from Russia at a fair price. So all India needs to ensure is there is no civil unrest and there is high investor confidence and India can still yield power in the region. India is too big to fail/ignore there is a huge market... India would still be good being perfectly neutral.
Sir, India first has to see it's economy n strengthening of Defance infrastructure a lot compare to China for such diplomatic move here n there in south east Ashea. Present Central Government of India going ahead in right direction following the foreign policy. Let our position be strong with change of mind set of comman citizens n youths towards nationalism. It is there that after Modi govt, the China has been dealt as eye boll to eya in every front keeping trade n diplomatic relations in balance. We have ensure our Defance n economy strong enough to accept any challenge from any corner
Mr Thapar, it’s ear piercing when you shout over the voice of your interviewee!
Jealous is the words
Why can't these two great nations work together? China and India!!!
India was upset that China befriended to all its neighboring countries in which India consequentially has lost the statue as a Big Brother.....also the issue on BRI India initially asked China to build road/rail link across middle of India from SW China which China was firmly disagreed with the proposal but building roads from Xinjiang through Pakistan occupied Kashmir to join up with CPAC.
This is only the first step, if China manages to pull off a truce between Russia and Ukraine, that will truly change the world. Can India actively do such mediation.
The issue is of credibility and substance. The current regime of megalomaniacs doesn't know what's foreign policy. China is light years ahead because of long-term vision and planning. We have none of the above two at this point in time. Additionally, we don't have credibility. China is well aware of the weaknesses of propaganda and hubris of the current government. Even our relationships with neighbour's like Nepal and Bhutan are not that good because they don't trust India much.
@@Sarthakkumarpal Modiji stopped War between Ukraine and Russia for 4h for Indians to evacuate. :P
@@ageless1003 it was a temporary ceased fire....
@@jimmylam9846 bro, even that didn't happen cuz of Modi. It was just a PR. I was being sarcastic.
Never gonna happen.. Not in dreams by India
🔥🔥🔥
India have opt out of the BRI because of the CPEC but yet maintain it's membership in the
BRICS while at the same time piggy backing on US initiatives. Can India be trusted by the
150 members of the BRI. In the eyes of the countries of the world, India is playing both sides
Karan Thapar needs to practise sabr- thats letting others talk and not putting words in their mouth.. 😂
We like ir fond of this channel
What use is recent QUAD against three countries USA, Australia and England
Useless discussion.... First you have to grow domestically and you guys stop comparing with chinna, you have to level up
Saudi involvement in the murder of journalist and criticism of murder by the American played some role also.
insightful discussion. china has now changed its policy of doing business to helping the countries who have estranged relations.countries r losing confidence on US.hegemony of US is vanishing in every coming day.
....but it is a still a Anglo-Whiteman world until it was broken down completely.