I love this era of 3D in filmmaking where directors were like "you know, we could shove the camera anywhere if we wanted. Make it fly everywhere, all the time, for no reason whatsoever. It's on the plane. It's on the bomb! Who gives a shit, make it spin around if you want!"
I'm surprised he didn't shoved the camera up the actor's nose when they were breathing just so we see it spin and then come out, do a 360 of the cockpit and then fire a missile and the camera follows...
With the current political GENDER climate we find ourselves in, I for one am NOT surprised that a Next Gen fighter jet wishes to identify as a Manga Female Furry.
That's what they get for hiding among the civilian population. There's a reason anti insurgency ops are always messy and it's because the insurgents hide among civilians deliberately while using them as shields. Afterwards they scream for media attention and cry about oppression.
Collateral damage is totally acceptable and this would never come up in real life; no fcking shit innocents die in war; it is war ffs. Movies such as these serve as propaganda to make Americans think their military is morally righteous
the problem with this scene is that before this, there was a mission where they disobeyed orders and Tinman thought that that was what you were supposed to do. and thats why he did this.
You'r right. I didn't notice that. I think , that's also on the same night EDI got hit by thunder. Talon 1 defy order but w/ a great success, no collateral damage.
If they already knew they were going after warheads, command would already know about the risk of fallout. They'd have the launchers set up as a secondary target to begin with and they'd strike them regardless of the situation with the warheads. They wouldn't have aborted the mission. In fact, they'd likely take the launchers first because the anti-aircraft was located there, then mop up the warheads with gun runs so a ground unit could fly in and take the warheads.
As we know these writers and directors are not seasoned general. Not even the arm chair type. Heck they even make Testosterone Family goes to space movie
It's Hollywood. Half the movie would have been setting up and executing a proper assault. In this case, at least they included in the plot that intel reports were incorrect about population proximity. Besides the underlying plot hole is that the nuclear war heads would not have released much radiation into a cloud without a proper detonation. The only way to recover the cores would be to repossess them. At best, an attack such as this would have simply ruined the launch capability. It would not have destroyed the nuclear material.
They kind of already do. The glide kits they have give them a range of 150 kms (unclassified - so it's actually further). You kind of lob them from 50,000 feet.
PILOT : 'Close the missile bay doors, tin man " " I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that ... I have the greatest enthusiasm for the mission .. ' PILOT : ... sometimes AI really sucks ... AND MY NAMES NOT DAVE !!! "
yeah there's a story about a sukhoi shooting a russian drone that got me to find more about this shitty movie. imagine ‘‘My reference books on the epistemiological understanding of postcapitalist society are Nietzsche, Orwell, Huxley..’’ ‘‘fweh. Idiocracy and Stealth were real anticipation’ movies and truth bombs’’
@@cashewnuttel9054 , sometimes it depends on particular events, wars or even branches of the military. Pilots, artillery crews and drone operators have a certain distance from the reality of war that armor and infantry units do not have.
Wow! This film is 18 years old! A little younger than me. The studio that created these special effects should be hired to produce the current DC and Marvel films. LOL
5:33 Gotta love the early 2000's, when you didn't have to add too much detail to your render, but just enough to trick us into thinking we're seeing a bunch of distant detail for 6 seconds.
If it were like you say it is, we wouldn't be talking about Iraq, Iran, North Korea or Vietnam ect... Theyve had the power to win a war in the time it takes to slit an atom and they have chosen not to.. Because of an adherence to International law they arent even tecnically required to follow.
@@oljimeagleTell me about the civilian casualties in Iraq, pakistan, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Germany, Japan and the native Americans. Or was that international norms too?
@@yuvrajpratap2509 thats how war is sometimes. We try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible but its almost impossible to completely avoid it.
It’s law for you just a suggestion for us. Don’t like it? Be stronger. Handle your own dirty work. The sheep should shut up when the lion is keeping order in the jungle.
I remember watching a news conference where the US military showed the videos during the early days of the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan. It was a video of a bombing run on a bridge and some guy on a motorcycle just past the point where the bomb would struck seconds later. The officer in charge of the presentation and the news crew just giggled at the guy's miraculous escape. Their reaction to a guy nearly blown to bits was a very chilling thing to hear.
Negative in this situation, and furthermore its situation dependent. Not every situation will allow the time to completely explain the thought process of the leaders above us. Trust in leaderships' assessment as the foundation, and build on that with the field assessment IOT come to a proper situational assessment.
"We're going to allow a terrorist group to have 4 nuclear weapons, potentially endangering millions, because there are a couple hundred people in the valley" genius
Close to a thousand plus thoses that service will have to move because of the fall out harming their land and the change in wind meaning it will effect a much larger population yes they would call off the strike and send in a felt team or seal team to Handel ot
The military is less than 1% of the population. And plainly stating “it’s an order” is an easy way to heighten the tension. It doesn’t have to be realistic, it has to be digestible.
Everything's wrong in the movie clip, "tactically" speaking, but can we at least appreciate how those three plane's computers detected the near-correct population density, wind speed & direction? They're basically flying mainframes and essentially warned the chain of command but the CO ignored it & that's exactly how the scenario played out
They didn't HAVE to abort the mission, just retarget the Launch systems then send in ground teams to secure the Warheads. If you're violating sovereignty with aircraft, boots on the ground isn't much worse.
@@jamesm568 They didn't and that wasn't the point. Blowing up the warheads would turn some amount of the fissile material into radioactive dust. Exactly what a "dirty bomb" is. The whole plan of bombing the warheads was idiotic in the first place, even if there hadn't been civilians downwind. Reduce the fort with the bad guys and launchers to rubble, then send in special forces teams to recover the warheads intact.
The whole issue with this particular scene is that it is almost common knowledge now that unless the warhead itself actually detonates as intended...there will be no nuclear concern like they made there out to be.
The average movie goer is stupid. It’s not so common knowledge and they’d have to think a little harder in the script department for the catalyst when this is simple, most people don’t have to think that hard
people love to criticize this movie, just for reference, a real world official military strategist said that those F18 juggling to bomb that target on Top Gun Maverick movie was beyond preposterous, there is a much efficient, much more safer, and much more lower cost answer, but.... is no fun, we love to see actors struggling against high G, the thrills, the cliches, the complete nonsense action (those SAM's missiles uses radar to aiming not heat, a 5th generation can not lock on target in a canyon at low altitude but a F15 can, and so on), we enjoy the ridiculous as long as it is enjoyable.
I don’t understand this: a future time, a future technology. Even today, when targets can be destroyed without flying so low, why are they buzzing around like flies over dung here? And once again, America is bringing justice and freedom everywhere :))
Opens weapons bay minutes away from target. So much for stealth. Cockpit the size of a 1982 Cadillac Fleetwood, yeah...bounce around in there like a ping pong ball in a coffee can. "Fuel-Air" munitions are huge cannisters of FUEL not small missiles and they do damage to people by removing oxygen, not massive detonations. They also require specific environmental conditions to operate.
They do remove the oxygen, but by using it up to burn the dispersed fuel. That burning creates a massive detonation and shockwave. It's basically an intentional gas leak explosion.
"We're not going to take out nukes that terrorists have because there's a small village nearby." - Things that wouldn't happen in real life with this scenario.
At 3:40 “Tin Man will not abort. Tin Man will prosecute.” The correct word is “execute”, not “prosecute”. That was a dumb line. execute: “to do or perform something, especially in a planned way” Source: Cambridge Dictionary, 2023.
How in gods name did we make a movie about AI controlled airplanes 15 years ago and we still have no response to the incoming AI takeover in the pilot world
I love this era of 3D in filmmaking where directors were like "you know, we could shove the camera anywhere if we wanted. Make it fly everywhere, all the time, for no reason whatsoever. It's on the plane. It's on the bomb! Who gives a shit, make it spin around if you want!"
its so stupid and funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised he didn't shoved the camera up the actor's nose when they were breathing just so we see it spin and then come out, do a 360 of the cockpit and then fire a missile and the camera follows...
5:02 literally looks like the COD guided missiles
and no inertia consideration ;D
Lo😅
Why in the world did the jet do a little moan at 4:56 when it launched a rocket?!? 🤣🤣🤣
XDD
That's a lady jet.
The machine spirit was displeased
My girl thought it as xxx content when she heard 5e moan lmao
She said what are you watching
With the current political GENDER climate we find ourselves in, I for one am NOT surprised that a Next Gen fighter jet wishes to identify as a Manga Female Furry.
"They're just farmers."
MiG-19: "I take offense to that!"
"Farming? Really? Plane of your talents?"
@@SpanishAvenger "It's a peaceful flight..."
That grow the vegetables and raise the herds that feed the local terrorists.
@@darthmeta6445 "it's lonely id imagine"
If only they could call out the MiG-15s call-sign instead
"Sir we could kill innocent civilians by bombing enemies" General burst in laugh.
Asked Israil?
That's what they get for hiding among the civilian population. There's a reason anti insurgency ops are always messy and it's because the insurgents hide among civilians deliberately while using them as shields. Afterwards they scream for media attention and cry about oppression.
Collateral damage is totally acceptable and this would never come up in real life; no fcking shit innocents die in war; it is war ffs. Movies such as these serve as propaganda to make Americans think their military is morally righteous
@@Doctor_Fromm Hamas is giddy at the prospect.
@@Doctor_Fromm Hamas beheads newborn baby and asks, “Did you ask Israel?”
The Team America World Police sequel looks great.
lmao
Durka durka...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the problem with this scene is that before this, there was a mission where they disobeyed orders and Tinman thought that that was what you were supposed to do. and thats why he did this.
Machine Learning lol. Monkey see, monkey do.
No shits Sherlock.
Context
You'r right. I didn't notice that. I think , that's also on the same night EDI got hit by thunder. Talon 1 defy order but w/ a great success, no collateral damage.
@@nuclearthreat545 talon 1 doesn't listen and drops the tungsten rod. Edi sees that and copies during this mission.
If they already knew they were going after warheads, command would already know about the risk of fallout. They'd have the launchers set up as a secondary target to begin with and they'd strike them regardless of the situation with the warheads. They wouldn't have aborted the mission. In fact, they'd likely take the launchers first because the anti-aircraft was located there, then mop up the warheads with gun runs so a ground unit could fly in and take the warheads.
They are using FAB overpressure kills the people warheads would most likely stay intact
As we know these writers and directors are not seasoned general. Not even the arm chair type. Heck they even make Testosterone Family goes to space movie
Arankot of force 👏合掌 palms together too,
It's Hollywood. Half the movie would have been setting up and executing a proper assault. In this case, at least they included in the plot that intel reports were incorrect about population proximity. Besides the underlying plot hole is that the nuclear war heads would not have released much radiation into a cloud without a proper detonation. The only way to recover the cores would be to repossess them. At best, an attack such as this would have simply ruined the launch capability. It would not have destroyed the nuclear material.
Please watch Kate England
A stealth fighter movie without a stealth fighter
The stealth is the sneaky AI
All four of them are stealth fighter
Looking at that jet exhaust. Those may have been radar stealthy, they were not IR stealthy.
4:59 gotta love the idea of strapping a motor to a GBU
isnt that basically the russian S25 laser guided rockets?
@@sparrowlt yes, in a proper version of it xd
They kind of already do. The glide kits they have give them a range of 150 kms (unclassified - so it's actually further). You kind of lob them from 50,000 feet.
PILOT : 'Close the missile bay doors, tin man "
" I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that ...
I have the greatest enthusiasm for the mission .. '
PILOT : ... sometimes AI really sucks ...
AND MY NAMES NOT DAVE !!! "
The Air Force is actually planning to implement A.I. into a series of fighters which may be used on suicide missions so you aren't far off.
since when do farmers have nukes??🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This movie is becoming more and more relevant with each passing year.
Especially when the drone fighters are supposed to operate with manned fighters.
not really
yeah there's a story about a sukhoi shooting a russian drone that got me to find more about this shitty movie.
imagine ‘‘My reference books on the epistemiological understanding of postcapitalist society are Nietzsche, Orwell, Huxley..’’
‘‘fweh. Idiocracy and Stealth were real anticipation’ movies and truth bombs’’
I think it was already in play back then just in smaller form.
The future of military aviation, the fact that the AI became more human over time was interesting.
More human?
Question: real life in the military, do they ever have these kinds of arguments during missions?
@@cashewnuttel9054 , sometimes it depends on particular events, wars or even branches of the military. Pilots, artillery crews and drone operators have a certain distance from the reality of war that armor and infantry units do not have.
4:55 sounded like a moan 😂
This isn't one of those "Now I can't unhear that"
It's the *only* thing it sounds like 😵
so it wasn't just me
@@ivoivic2448 😂
I was looking for this comment lol. I knew i wasnt the only one.
Anime girl moan
imagine just getting killed by some random plane while its playing music
Imagine hearing rock music and then boom lol
@@goku1693that’s all your hearing when you play Arma Reforger with me
Did i hear Trump’s voice at 0:15 😂😂
Trump fantasizing
Hollywood be like "it looks long and has wings. That's how missile looks boys!". Planes fire GBU-12 as a missile.
One of the best jet fighter futuristic movies of the past
This movie is junk
Only the idea was good@@CAL1MBO
This movie is so obsessed with its CGI lol
respect farmers...without them...u are nothing....
Funny how theyre carring those important things without even covering them with a simple tarp lol 😆
А что ты хотел дикие люди
yea, they should have just ridden over to home depot for them right?
(01:54) ....genau die habe ich so lieb!
Rauf da mit allem, was ihr an den Pylonen habt !!!
Wow! This film is 18 years old! A little younger than me. The studio that created these special effects should be hired to produce the current DC and Marvel films. LOL
Why are you being like this?
The cameraman was crazy! He went through the afterburners!!!
5:33 Gotta love the early 2000's, when you didn't have to add too much detail to your render, but just enough to trick us into thinking we're seeing a bunch of distant detail for 6 seconds.
BT did such a great job on this movie score.
2:05 I love how the top tier PCs of Central command already had RGB.
Dude, that Athlon X2 is watercooled and can run Crysis at 30FPS!
The way America tries to comply with international and humanitarian law at least in the movies looks both cute and hypocritical.
If it were like you say it is, we wouldn't be talking about Iraq, Iran, North Korea or Vietnam ect... Theyve had the power to win a war in the time it takes to slit an atom and they have chosen not to.. Because of an adherence to International law they arent even tecnically required to follow.
@@oljimeagleTell me about the civilian casualties in Iraq, pakistan, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Germany, Japan and the native Americans. Or was that international norms too?
@@yuvrajpratap2509 thats how war is sometimes. We try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible but its almost impossible to completely avoid it.
It’s law for you just a suggestion for us. Don’t like it? Be stronger. Handle your own dirty work. The sheep should shut up when the lion is keeping order in the jungle.
I remember watching a news conference where the US military showed the videos during the early days of the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan. It was a video of a bombing run on a bridge and some guy on a motorcycle just past the point where the bomb would struck seconds later. The officer in charge of the presentation and the news crew just giggled at the guy's miraculous escape.
Their reaction to a guy nearly blown to bits was a very chilling thing to hear.
I wonder how the US lost standoff attack technology. Now they have to attack at WWII kind of distances, but they also have AI?
“Any man who says, 'I gave an Order' is no true Leader.” - Tywin Lannister
Negative in this situation, and furthermore its situation dependent. Not every situation will allow the time to completely explain the thought process of the leaders above us. Trust in leaderships' assessment as the foundation, and build on that with the field assessment IOT come to a proper situational assessment.
Well, an AI will never obey, "leadership" be damned.
100% CORRECT. It's not the sub role to question a command. Get it done or remove yourself from the situation @@MrGrenade121
Ya! True that! For all of sanity,Hitler's troops Yes Men were strictly following orders too!
"We're going to allow a terrorist group to have 4 nuclear weapons, potentially endangering millions, because there are a couple hundred people in the valley" genius
So a couple hundred innocent people are nothing?
Close to a thousand plus thoses that service will have to move because of the fall out harming their land and the change in wind meaning it will effect a much larger population yes they would call off the strike and send in a felt team or seal team to Handel ot
When you give an order, you don't need to legitimize it by saying "That's an order."
They are always saying that in movies. 😄
If that was the case, every branch would have no need for military police lol.
The military is less than 1% of the population. And plainly stating “it’s an order” is an easy way to heighten the tension. It doesn’t have to be realistic, it has to be digestible.
@jpmanning2966 "It doesn’t have to be realistic, it has to be digestible." Like McDonald's food.
@@LucidDreamer54321 Only three other people recognised how funny that comment was?!
4:56 got little girl sound "errghh.."
LOL , Oh thank God i'm not the only one that noticed that
Everything's wrong in the movie clip, "tactically" speaking, but can we at least appreciate how those three plane's computers detected the near-correct population density, wind speed & direction? They're basically flying mainframes and essentially warned the chain of command but the CO ignored it & that's exactly how the scenario played out
They didn't HAVE to abort the mission, just retarget the Launch systems then send in ground teams to secure the Warheads. If you're violating sovereignty with aircraft, boots on the ground isn't much worse.
not taking other parties into account. Tajikistan is Russia's backyard, us sends troops, russia sends nukes over the us!
Nuclear weapons don't go off by outside explosions.
@@jamesm568 They didn't and that wasn't the point. Blowing up the warheads would turn some amount of the fissile material into radioactive dust. Exactly what a "dirty bomb" is. The whole plan of bombing the warheads was idiotic in the first place, even if there hadn't been civilians downwind. Reduce the fort with the bad guys and launchers to rubble, then send in special forces teams to recover the warheads intact.
Underrated and ahead of it's time. Great movie.
Those AA gun operators getting severe whiplash is so gd hilarious to me! 4:12 & 4:29🤣 How do they even see what they are shooting at?
Those planes dont look able to fly steady lol
This movie never gets old. Bravo!
Can't comment on this movie. Only watched the waterfall scene...... 500 times.
I hope for a new follow up movie with these same actors, and again with a AI plane, i hope there are fantastic writers.
@@derricklafrance9440 lol. Early teenage me thought that scene was pretty rad, too
The whole issue with this particular scene is that it is almost common knowledge now that unless the warhead itself actually detonates as intended...there will be no nuclear concern like they made there out to be.
Common knowledge huh??
The average movie goer is stupid. It’s not so common knowledge and they’d have to think a little harder in the script department for the catalyst when this is simple, most people don’t have to think that hard
Extraordinary 😊
5:18 that guy feels like the guy from the Nuclear Strike FMVs
This movie is just dumb fun and one of my guilty pleasures.
The best movie Jetfighters to ever hit the screen.
That Great Classic my friends. From other Times. Thanks.
I am touched by their humanity.
"Why are the civilians not liking us?"
The ending "gooood bye"
The most unbelievably thing in this movie is, that the US military would have concerns over civilian casualties
4:53 did the jet just MOAN? lmao what the hell was THAT
This movie was ahead of its time.
wow this is the next best plane movies to Top Gun
It's time to move past Stealth and let humanity start healing as a whole.
These Gen-6s design was actually very cool !!
This is one outstanding movie! I have watched it more than three times. I have no idea how they did some of their special effects.
lol are you kidding me, this is shit.
@@Norðmaðurthou are shit and you don't matter lol
Bruh that moan at 4:55 😂
What the hell was that?
I would like to see Jessica Biel in the future in action movies. I can wish, right?
A couple AK's a couple of nukes 😅 😂
I can't believe this movie is almost 20y old..
"I want my plane back Ben!"
people love to criticize this movie, just for reference, a real world official military strategist said that those F18 juggling to bomb that target on Top Gun Maverick movie was beyond preposterous, there is a much efficient, much more safer, and much more lower cost answer, but.... is no fun, we love to see actors struggling against high G, the thrills, the cliches, the complete nonsense action (those SAM's missiles uses radar to aiming not heat, a 5th generation can not lock on target in a canyon at low altitude but a F15 can, and so on), we enjoy the ridiculous as long as it is enjoyable.
Interesting vid concept
It's funny when they try to show that Americans care about life of others 🤣🤣
I don’t understand this: a future time, a future technology. Even today, when targets can be destroyed without flying so low, why are they buzzing around like flies over dung here? And once again, America is bringing justice and freedom everywhere :))
Классный фильм
Good take on sentient AI with some cool CGI aircraft. Like a next gen F-22.
Donkey launched nukes are unique
the feeling of flight is conveyed beautifully.
Need the sequel
Such a good comedy movie
O man, what a movie this one is.
gosh. deeply ensconced is like, really deep.
They would all over the fly way there sets wobble around 😂
Love how they showed the globe in the beginning 😂🤣😂🤣
Love the movie and I want one of these Jets. I heard China wanted them too. : 0
FAE wouldn't compromise nuclear warheads and I don't think those carts could carry 2 each.
a thousand collaterals ? prffffst . they'd do it for far more lives in real life.
Previous video: Mike Johns stuck in car controlled by AI.
This video: AI disobeying
UA-cam algorithm , hmm
US....they are hero...in the movie...in reality they are for sure the villain
One of my favorite movies !!
I may have accidentally fallen in love with Jessica😮
Opens weapons bay minutes away from target. So much for stealth. Cockpit the size of a 1982 Cadillac Fleetwood, yeah...bounce around in there like a ping pong ball in a coffee can. "Fuel-Air" munitions are huge cannisters of FUEL not small missiles and they do damage to people by removing oxygen, not massive detonations. They also require specific environmental conditions to operate.
at least if they used them they wouldnt have even cracked the casing on the warheads
did you see the cgi? it's a 2005 sci fi trash flick, I doubt they had realism in mind.
They do remove the oxygen, but by using it up to burn the dispersed fuel. That burning creates a massive detonation and shockwave. It's basically an intentional gas leak explosion.
"We're not going to take out nukes that terrorists have because there's a small village nearby." - Things that wouldn't happen in real life with this scenario.
"hi5 namaste" good video & belated happy new year buddy:-*
the top down view of those Jets Highly Remind me of the Orcas and Firehawks
If GLA from C&C Generals was in real life.
5:35 when you see the map from the game playstation 1 lol
And now they are almost a million less farmers
At 3:40 “Tin Man will not abort. Tin Man will prosecute.” The correct word is “execute”, not “prosecute”. That was a dumb line. execute: “to do or perform something, especially in a planned way” Source: Cambridge Dictionary, 2023.
Never noticed that before, but you are indeed correct. Still a pretty good movie though - I thought so anyway.
I saw the word "prosecute" in "Apache" by Ed Macey. He said over the radio "... prosecute the target with ...".
Maybe it's their slang.
How in gods name did we make a movie about AI controlled airplanes 15 years ago and we still have no response to the incoming AI takeover in the pilot world
that one movie where the AI goes rogue for all the right reasons but turns out to be the good guy and a FNG hero in the end.
this formation is proper fighter jet flight
They could've done so much more with those 1st few seconds of this clip.
those planes would show up like crazy on IR.
"They're Just Farmers" never be a problem for americans (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Gaza... )
+Yemen, Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, Sirya, Korea...
How the hell do the pilots even see out of those cockpits , their eye level is barely over the the console 😂
Respect to EDI
After the failure in Somalia, Gen Garrison decided to try luck in the Navy.
"They're Just Farmers" That is why we lost Vietnam war!!!
The most Moral Empire ....
when we didnt know better that we werent to good guys
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