That's right Language realy changed within these recent years.. I think what happened was people started stereotyping the term gay with Homosexuality tothe point to where no one wanted to be caleld gay or they would be made fun of so it would up being used more for Homosexuials. There are other words that's definition realy changted oveer the years but some I can't say publicly due to them being far to controversial and people being so rash about it. That's a key factor if you ask me, of whatrealy does change our lanuage so quickly is how impulsive and toxic people behave about what words you use. I want time called some Toilate paper Tissue and my dad sais that soundeed dorky or sissy and that your supposed to call it CleanEx...........Why can't we just be more Open minded about things?
I remember when my entire class learned that gay used to mean happy back in 3rd grade and instantly everyone turned to me and said “Nerdtendo, you’re gay!”
As people age, their perspectives and beliefs often evolve, and Dr. Seuss was no exception. Over time, he became more aware of his own past mistakes and reflected these realizations in his later works. For instance, "Horton Hears a Who!" is widely seen as his response to having supported Japanese internment camps, while "The Lorax" illustrates his growing concern that unchecked progress may come with harmful consequences.
All of society supported Franklin Delano Roosevelt's - the biggest traitor in 20th century American history - war crimes back then. And then when the "good guys" won the war, they got to exclude all their ills. Same applies to Churchill whom waged war over being enticed by Jewish gold. Let's not pretend like Seuss is an outlier.
This is something missing from a lot of modern stuff. Being unbiased is impossible, but you kept yourself calm and tried to keep it objective. Take your like.
fr bro this guy prob lives on twitter 😂. just cuz the book said one females name doesnt mean he was calling all females less creative then boys like tf 😭
I feel like these books could still be sold, but with that same “offensive by today’s standards but acceptable for its time” content warning that Disney & Warner put in front of their old cartoons, although that probably wouldn’t work as well as it does for those since Dr. Seuss’s books were aimed at smaller children
Yeah, that probably could be problematic but then censorship on the cartoons in the book might be hard too, and then censorship of the whole book sucks bc of all the other stuff inside
@@Isuckatusernames-p3s personally, I don't think it should be censored. Maybe just harder to access like online exclusive so it can only be bought by adults reading descriptions and things, like a educational purpose thing
they arent ever really that offensive, people are just really sensitive these days, but I think they should just be labeled as something like PG for movies
This video misrepresents and/or does not explain the context of the works. - At 1:25, to say that the quote suggests girls are less creative than boys is a stretch. - At 1:36, many of the depictions of foreign characters shown here are inoffensive. I can't imagine anyone who would be upset at "Australian fish". - At 2:28, the word "fat" is being used in reference to the animals, not to people. - Also at 2:28, The word "queer" used to be a synonym for "weird". Its use has nothing to do with being gay. - The comic at 6:05 does not depict an "Asian American kid". It is a representation of the United States exporting oil to Imperial Japan. - At 7:28, The comparison between "Our Job in Japan" and "The Sneetches" makes no sense. The message of "Our Job in Japan" is that although Japanese people have been led astray by government propaganda, they are fundamentally equal to everyone else. "The Sneetches" was a satire of prejudice, and the character in the clip is meant to be a villain, not a representation of Seuss's beliefs. If the point of comparison is that both works are anti-prejudice, that is not made clear. - Seuss later wrote "Horton Hears a Who" as an apology for his earlier prejudice against the Japanese.
4:10 Most of them were directed by Chuck Jones. That’s basically how Chuck and Dr. Seuss knew each other and made the Grinch TV Special and the Horton TV Special. I also use to have the Cat’s Quizzers book.
Many years ago I used to own a tropical fish store. My sister was a kindergarten teacher at the local elementary school. Every year on Dr Seuss day the school would have people come in from the community and read a story to the classes. It didn't have to be a Doctor Seuss book but most people read one anyway. I was reading for my sister's class and the first two years I chose Mcelligot's Pool since I owned a pet shop and a lot of the kids knew me from there. In the third and fourth year we had to let them know in advance which book we would be reading which wasn't that big of a deal. For a couple more years I submitted that I was going to be reading Mcelligot's Pool and it was approved. All of a sudden one year they came along and said I couldn't read that. I told them sorry then I can't do it this year. My sister told me that a lot of the regular readers turn down the request because they weren't allowed to read their favorite books and unfortunately that was the last year for a very popular day at the school
I still have all of the censored kids books. Personally, my take on it is that it's OK to just depict other races in a non judgemental way. I feel like the Persian, Russian, asian, and African helpers in "If I Ran A Zoo" show more cultural unity than anything, in that we are all people who can and should help others. Additionally, the words "fat" and "queer" are still used a lot where I'm from because they haven't taken on hatefull meanings everywhere. I really think that we have to stop censoring books that don't conform with everybody's expectations because all that does is damage society. Sorry for the schizo rant
As someone who hit 294 or so like 3 years ago, FUCK NO. Every single day I was embarrassingly fat, I was not only okay with being called so, but the sentiment that it isnt hateful and harmful to say so. Yes it hurts feelings, feelings mean virtually nothing in the social efficiency of adults. Not only that, but if I were to accept my lifestyle and choices, rather than criticize and ridicule them (with a little, but definitely not enough outside influence), I'd probably still be a fat fuck who's unconfident, withdrawn from many physical potentials, and I'd probably still be single to be quite blunt Consistently been at 183 or so for months now, and it irrefutably has helped in most metrics, including the emotions people are so afraid to hurt nowadays
@@Pseudo_Sage Tell that to the feeder fetish originated Fat acceptance movement.. Yea the toxic fat acceptance people was started by someone who was into morbidly obese women as a sexual kink.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 So..like with slanty eyes and large ugly bucked teeth? What If the artist also drew that stuff to poke fun of Japanese OTAKUS and weebs and the bad side of anime?
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 No, I meant the more grotesque style of character design overall. The anime style has been criticized by some for looking too clean and samey by some cartoonists, to the point where character personalities are almost interchangeable.
I think in terms of preservation of media, it is good that we can still have these to refer to from a historical context. Nothing against Seuss in particular, he was trying to help his country.
King definition: the MALE ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth There are no women kings, like actually. He is right when saying only women queens, good lord.
I remember reading "And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street" and "McElligot's Pool" when I was a kid. It's crazy knowing that they're discontinued now
@@Pato-yc6ii Historically because the Pharaoh system was only built for kings, women who came into power in ancient Egypt at a certain point were Las referred to as kings and even art depicting them often try to rewrite them as male
Yeah, but everyone in Egypt just kinda coped hard and pretended they were male. A lot of art depicting them more masculine, makeup to make them seem more male.
What’s interesting is that Dr. Seuss himself was aware of the criticisms his books sometimes got and oftentimes met them. The “Chinaman” in the “Mulberry Street” book, for example, was edited in later editions to be less offensive, like removing the stereotypical ponytail and yellow skin. But in today’s culture, I guess that isn’t enough.
@@megarigged I recall there being other normal-ish individuals being imagined up in the book. I guess back in the days when segregated neighborhoods were more commonplace, even normal individuals of different ethnic backgrounds were seen as exotic. I can’t really blame them for thinking that way if that’s the environment they were living in.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Yes, that's exactly why it's offensive. It's wrong to market "a Chinese man who eats with sticks" as being as wacky as a real magician or a 10-foot-long beard.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 You can't seriously be entertaining this. Those are objectively rare sights that are interesting. Chinese people are not a sight to behold. They're just people.
I think dr. Souss believed in what he wrote and draw in his books of preserving nature and treating people kind regardless if they got a star on their belly or not its just a huge sad event like that can make anyone or even everyone say and do bad things
@@beze9632 When I commented this, the video had barely any views and the channel had much less subscribers. What made you waste your time scrolling to find my comment, and what compelled you to reply?
2:29 saying fat in a book os not why it got cancelled. Also queer means odd, that is also not why it got cancelled. Some of these points seem like a stretch. Saying girls are less creative than boys seems like a really big stretch because it refers to one girl, and doesn't mean all girls are uncreative.
If I were to summarize his life from my perspective, Seuss’ earlier works basically correspond to what the public thought of at the time prior to the Second World War. But, in his later stage, his works have a sense of reflection and wisdom, and a hope for a better world; at least that is what I presume.
is it just me or does this video feel like ai? and I don't mean just the narration voices. the music feels weirdly generic and unrelated, a lot of the script is just listing things, a lot of them ignoring context which makes the more serious ones seem less important. either that or it's just so low effort (which the former would also imply). how queer.
If you want some more examples of women who were rulers and beared the title of King. There aren't a lot of examples (because most female rulers were queens, empress, tsarinas and the works) but they exist. - King Jadwiga, first female monarch of Poland. She married a grand-duke of Lithuania, which would found a centuries long union between the two kingdoms. She didn't really do much because, well... she kinda died when she was 25. - Emperor Wu Zetian, the only woman Emperor of China. A lot people called her Empress nowadays, but the Chinese word for Empress meant wife of the Emperor, which she was before she ruled, but when she came into power on her own(replacing her son which ruled as her puppet) they called her Emperor. She did... a lot. Way too much for me to list here. But unlike Jadwiga, she died a grandma still bossing around her kids. Not the best mother, but hey, effective ruler.
The Snafu films were training films for army personnel and were not intended for the general public. They really weren't propaganda as such, no more than anything else at the time.
Bro, I'm a 100% opened to the possibility that I may be the problem, but I don't see too many wrongs here. The US was at war with Japan. Of course they weren't gonna be portrayed in a flattering way when he was making animations for the army.
It's also not uncommon to dehumanize the enemy in times of war. There's also the fact that many people in America were angry at the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. Similar feelings towards people of Middle-Eastern descent rose up as a result of 9/11. Also, many other media also used racial stereotypes towards the Japanese, including DC and Marvel comics.
Y’all are really concerning me clearly he wasn’t saying it was offensive. He was saying that’s one of the reasons I got banned so probably later on people found it offensive. Please use your listening ears.
@@Alex-fb4tl still, that's no purpose in banning the book, and that probably was not the reason why it did. Dr. Seuss never intended the word in that meaning.
I don’t think any of these should be banned. Some, like the pond one, weren’t even really that bad, and the ones that are horrible are also history and should be remembered for what they are rather than erased. Obviously they shouldn’t be sold in the kids section at the local library but they also shouldn’t be erased from the public eye.
3:24 king jadwiga of Poland was female. Pretty interesting story of how it happened, basically the king that was there before tried to have a son but he was unsuccessful, and polish law and the time said something along the lines of “queens can’t rule Poland” or something to that extent, and the loop hole was “well what if they were just a king?” And there you have it.
He was a product of the time so you can’t judge his less than desirable work to work from now because we didn’t live to see the the sentiment back then
"When Louis died, his daughter Hedwig of Anjou took the throne. When she came to Poland from Hungary, she was only 10 years old. Shortly after her arrival in 1384, she was crowned, with the consent of the Polish lords, and took her father's title of king of Poland (not queen!)"
Queer just meant odd back then. A lot of these aren't even meant to be offensive, your just looking at it in a weird way. For instance, the "Jane" part isn't bad. It's just a person.
Some of this is due to how we change over time. It's sad to view the past under the same ideologies people celebrate today - not everything is meant to be hurtful.
2:29 The word queer was a standard English word at the time, it meant "weird". U can also find the word in the lord of the rings trilogy. And the word fat has only recently started to be seen as an insult. Now I know that this video is untrustworthy.
This is certainly interesting information, and, as is typical with any person I’ve met, it initially makes me want to categorize him as a good or bad person, but I am going to not do that, because I’m trying to get better at knowing that everyone is complicated
Back in the day, queer didn’t mean what it means now, it meant weird in general, like, if someone didn’t have a working eye my nan would say: oh he has a queer eye!
It was a different time I don’t think anyone at the time would have been offended. In modern day we know better and I understand why the books and other media is inexcusable.
His good ideas guided good people's whole lives, making them much less susceptible to modern manipulation. This makes cancelling him more than just a convenience.
The Zoo one was a banger growing up. It’s a heavily stylized illustration style. I don’t see the stereotyping as much of an issue considering the lack of globalization at the time. It was an easy way to convey to the audience diversity and a bit of exoticism of the unfamiliar with artistic shorthand. Sure that method is looked down on today, but we live in a global society with free flowing information at the tips of our fingers. As a result of this globalism, we no longer need to rely on over-exaggerated stereotypes as we can demystify, research and remove the artificial exoticness more easily and accurately thanks to the internet. To purge these historic works simply because it is considered distasteful today is just sad. We cannot force current ideals on past works as our experiences are completely different.
I genuinely wasn't sure what was in those books that made them ban-worthy, but I assumed it wasn't anything egregiously offensive, more "in bad taste" than anything, and that's what they seem like to me. The stereotypes and jokes are far from the worst I've ever seen and some of them were probably well-intentioned at the time, but given the choice between having an impressionable child see them and take them at face value and just not letting them see it, I'd say the latter is the most practical choice. Besides, the man wrote sixty books in his lifetime, I don't think it would be a great loss to "only" have access to 54 of them (and let's be honest: nearly all of them are better anyway). But I guess "not being reprinted any more because they have a couple of off-colored jokes in them that are now considered to be inappropriate for children" is not as catchy or succinct as "banned."
Aren’t We All Just a Little Bit Too sensitive over these kids books by Dr. Suess? Cancel culture at work again! I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean queer like they would have us believe. He meant odd things not literally sexual orientation. Woke mob takes every single thing literal. I’ve grown up with his books and never believed whatever group is pushing down our throats about it relative to them in particular. C’mon now. Obviously the taboo subjects are outdated, but historically they were a landmark series from the Dr.
There is nothing wrong with mulberry street. Discontinuing it was insane and stupid. Obviously he was cornered and pressured by insane people. And the Chinese do eat with chopsticks, and they are proud of this, and would never be offended by this. Also, the kid only implied that his sister was less imaginative than him, which is true of half of all siblings at random. Has Dr Seuss never heard of revising a book?
Well I took a walk around the world to ease my troubled mind I left my body lying somewhere in the sands of time But I watched the world float to the dark art of Dr. Seuss I feel there’s nothing I can do, yeah
I agree with some of those things being bad, but you also have to take into account that Japan was evil in WW2. They have mellowed out in todays time, but back then, they literally teamed up with Nazis. And they boiled Chinese babies. But Im not sure if the animations were intended to be racist, but more of to make fun of the Japanese army at the time for how evil they were. In much the same way we nowadays make fun of Russia, North Korea and Arab countries with evil leadership. -Thats kind of the perspective I hold on a lot of that stuff. Let me know youre thoughts on that.
the lorax isnt anti logging its anti destruction of the enviornment, logging is ver susstainible with them rpelanting all of the trees they log, and logging helps fight forest fires
During my social studies class we learned about world war 2 and looked at political cartoons we even looked at some drawn by Dr.Suess. I never knew that he illustrated stuff like this so it's pretty cool to learn about
Would be better without the implied 'woke' implication that Seuss had a 'dark' i.e. bad side that should be tisk-tisked by us moderns, rather than his works being judged by the values of the culture at the time. The narrator's tone of voice is a bit too condescending for my liking. There is certainly no issue re modern public institutions choosing to not include certain publications as being inappropriate for modern educational purposes, but let's not pompously demonize certain people in history who merely reflected the mores of their time. Certainly we can judge our current culture, as much improved! We have come a long way.
Honestly; I don’t really find anything wrong with his works. During wartime, it is only natural to promote cautiousness and a dire emphasis on unity and collaboration. The consequences of such a thing may be slightly degrading, but its results are the security we enjoy now. Without these precautions, we have the open invitation of foreigners in total disregard of our adversary’s capacity to freely infiltrate and execute attacks upon our combined masses. In spite of all of the propaganda - Seuss emphasized working together with precision and the rebuilding of a world torn apart. And as for the descriptions of foreign peoples and cultures, it is simply irrational to find offense in merely referring to Chinese people as Chinesemen or pointing out the fact that we use chopsticks. Besides these quite normal things, he advocated for the union and acceptance of all peoples during a time in which such an idea cannot be fully embraced.
2:30 queer just meant weird/odd like gay used to be used to mean happy
It did? How queer!
That's right Language realy changed within these recent years..
I think what happened was people started stereotyping the term gay with Homosexuality tothe point to where no one wanted to be caleld gay or they would be made fun of so it would up being used more for Homosexuials.
There are other words that's definition realy changted oveer the years but some I can't say publicly due to them being far to controversial and people being so rash about it.
That's a key factor if you ask me, of whatrealy does change our lanuage so quickly is how impulsive and toxic people behave about what words you use. I want time called some Toilate paper Tissue and my dad sais that soundeed dorky or sissy and that your supposed to call it CleanEx...........Why can't we just be more Open minded about things?
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That’s true. If it didn’t The Hobbit would have some explaining to do
I remember when my entire class learned that gay used to mean happy back in 3rd grade and instantly everyone turned to me and said “Nerdtendo, you’re gay!”
You'll have to remember that queer didn't mean homosexual back in the 1940-50s it just meant odd or unusual.
It meant both, but this is going for the "odd or unusual" meaning.
crazy that they chose the word that meant odd or unusual for the word for homosexual
@@societywasamistake it was originally a derogative term, but it was reclaimed and now isnt derogative! =D
in 1914 was when it started being used as a derogatory word for homosexual more commonly
@@Minhir4th more commonly, however still not that common. queer meaning ‘weird’ fits more in this context.
Horton hears a jew.
Nahhh ☠️🙏
Horton hears a who❌
Hitler hears a Jew. ✅
Hitler hears a jew*
Hortler
If you know the backstory behind the book’s intention, it’s more-so Japanese and postwar regret.
As people age, their perspectives and beliefs often evolve, and Dr. Seuss was no exception. Over time, he became more aware of his own past mistakes and reflected these realizations in his later works. For instance, "Horton Hears a Who!" is widely seen as his response to having supported Japanese internment camps, while "The Lorax" illustrates his growing concern that unchecked progress may come with harmful consequences.
All of society supported Franklin Delano Roosevelt's - the biggest traitor in 20th century American history - war crimes back then. And then when the "good guys" won the war, they got to exclude all their ills. Same applies to Churchill whom waged war over being enticed by Jewish gold.
Let's not pretend like Seuss is an outlier.
progressives are anti-climate change. "progress" isn't the problem.
This is something missing from a lot of modern stuff. Being unbiased is impossible, but you kept yourself calm and tried to keep it objective. Take your like.
I thought that said take your life 😭😭😭💀
@@sadsnow8040 Imma take my life for keeping myself calm and objective💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
My name is Lorax, I speak for the trees.
I don't know how, but they are speaking vietnamese.
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okay buddy
Bro, the monk is on fire
This entire video is the embodiment of taking things and stretching them too far out😭
Your pfp goes so hard i love red dead
absolutely!
fr bro this guy prob lives on twitter 😂. just cuz the book said one females name doesnt mean he was calling all females less creative then boys like tf 😭
@@Penguin1400 there was still alot of racist stuff so dr. Sues still did bad stuff
"CALLING TOKYO, HELP! CALLING TOKYO, HELP!" I really felt that one.
I feel like these books could still be sold, but with that same “offensive by today’s standards but acceptable for its time” content warning that Disney & Warner put in front of their old cartoons, although that probably wouldn’t work as well as it does for those since Dr. Seuss’s books were aimed at smaller children
Yeah, that probably could be problematic but then censorship on the cartoons in the book might be hard too, and then censorship of the whole book sucks bc of all the other stuff inside
@@Isuckatusernames-p3s personally, I don't think it should be censored. Maybe just harder to access like online exclusive so it can only be bought by adults reading descriptions and things, like a educational purpose thing
@@HarryHarshman that’s a great idea!
they arent ever really that offensive, people are just really sensitive these days, but I think they should just be labeled as something like PG for movies
This video misrepresents and/or does not explain the context of the works.
- At 1:25, to say that the quote suggests girls are less creative than boys is a stretch.
- At 1:36, many of the depictions of foreign characters shown here are inoffensive. I can't imagine anyone who would be upset at "Australian fish".
- At 2:28, the word "fat" is being used in reference to the animals, not to people.
- Also at 2:28, The word "queer" used to be a synonym for "weird". Its use has nothing to do with being gay.
- The comic at 6:05 does not depict an "Asian American kid". It is a representation of the United States exporting oil to Imperial Japan.
- At 7:28, The comparison between "Our Job in Japan" and "The Sneetches" makes no sense. The message of "Our Job in Japan" is that although Japanese people have been led astray by government propaganda, they are fundamentally equal to everyone else. "The Sneetches" was a satire of prejudice, and the character in the clip is meant to be a villain, not a representation of Seuss's beliefs. If the point of comparison is that both works are anti-prejudice, that is not made clear.
- Seuss later wrote "Horton Hears a Who" as an apology for his earlier prejudice against the Japanese.
ok even if fat was being used to describe someone, how is that bad??
@@WS48L It's not lol
@@WS48L it isnt
this dude is trying to get a dead man in drama 😭😭
@@PizzamemesOfficial fr let bro rest in peace
HELL.YES!!! I like the Fish diversity, who would have a problem with that?
2:28 Okay, queer is not being used badly here. It literally just means weird. "That's mighty queer!"
“Do I look queer in this outfit”
@@PizzamemesOfficial Dude stop asking queer questions.
@@rudyisabot my comment got deleted for “cyberbullying” 😭😭
yt moderation sucks
4:10 Most of them were directed by Chuck Jones. That’s basically how Chuck and Dr. Seuss knew each other and made the Grinch TV Special and the Horton TV Special. I also use to have the Cat’s Quizzers book.
I READ MCELLIGOTS POOL AS KID. It was my favorite book, I had no idea it was discontinued.
Many years ago I used to own a tropical fish store. My sister was a kindergarten teacher at the local elementary school. Every year on Dr Seuss day the school would have people come in from the community and read a story to the classes. It didn't have to be a Doctor Seuss book but most people read one anyway. I was reading for my sister's class and the first two years I chose Mcelligot's Pool since I owned a pet shop and a lot of the kids knew me from there. In the third and fourth year we had to let them know in advance which book we would be reading which wasn't that big of a deal. For a couple more years I submitted that I was going to be reading Mcelligot's Pool and it was approved. All of a sudden one year they came along and said I couldn't read that. I told them sorry then I can't do it this year. My sister told me that a lot of the regular readers turn down the request because they weren't allowed to read their favorite books and unfortunately that was the last year for a very popular day at the school
Original vine boom 😂8:09
No more fortnite!
@@zaxseer KABOOM
ALL OUR FOOD IS BLOWING UP
@@kattybratt1353 💥
Sounds like the Roblox rocket launcher sound
I love how you showed off two of his self-portraits at the end.
Mel blanc who voiced bugs bunny sure put his heart and soul into these dr. Seuss propaganda films 😅
I still have all of the censored kids books. Personally, my take on it is that it's OK to just depict other races in a non judgemental way. I feel like the Persian, Russian, asian, and African helpers in "If I Ran A Zoo" show more cultural unity than anything, in that we are all people who can and should help others. Additionally, the words "fat" and "queer" are still used a lot where I'm from because they haven't taken on hatefull meanings everywhere. I really think that we have to stop censoring books that don't conform with everybody's expectations because all that does is damage society. Sorry for the schizo rant
I completely agree! Censorship does no good, if anything, it creates ignorance!
Censorship creates entitlement
@jacktaktical entitlement leads to anger
@@psycholaw4394 anger leads to hate
@@a.e_man78789 and hate leads to suffering
“Here ya are slant eyes” - bugs bunny
Postal isnt that bad. alrighty
this feels like a lot of seething for nothing
0:16 HE WROTE HARD R AINT NO WAY 😨
WHERE?
@@AbdAlHakamJunaid bottom of the page
@@everyonesplace1267 "A high-grade Ni-"
I do believe that R was hard
I can’t really see it, but it’s not that hard to believe, given the time period. Saying that word was socially accepted at the time
Fat? so the word FAT offends people now? We should now ban the word THIN now
As someone who hit 294 or so like 3 years ago, FUCK NO. Every single day I was embarrassingly fat, I was not only okay with being called so, but the sentiment that it isnt hateful and harmful to say so. Yes it hurts feelings, feelings mean virtually nothing in the social efficiency of adults. Not only that, but if I were to accept my lifestyle and choices, rather than criticize and ridicule them (with a little, but definitely not enough outside influence), I'd probably still be a fat fuck who's unconfident, withdrawn from many physical potentials, and I'd probably still be single to be quite blunt
Consistently been at 183 or so for months now, and it irrefutably has helped in most metrics, including the emotions people are so afraid to hurt nowadays
@@Pseudo_Sage Tell that to the feeder fetish originated Fat acceptance movement.. Yea the toxic fat acceptance people was started by someone who was into morbidly obese women as a sexual kink.
Imagine some guy drawing anime fanart the same way Dr. Seuss Drew Japanese peple during ww2? 🤔
Probably more grotesque, but some artists kinda prefer that style of character design. Has a bit more personality to it.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 So..like with slanty eyes and large ugly bucked teeth? What If the artist also drew that stuff to poke fun of Japanese OTAKUS and weebs and the bad side of anime?
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 No, I meant the more grotesque style of character design overall. The anime style has been criticized by some for looking too clean and samey by some cartoonists, to the point where character personalities are almost interchangeable.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 oh..how does that have to do with what I said? But yeah, makes sense as wel.
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 I was trying to describe what you were inquiring about.
I grew up on this, and all I can say is that I really hate all this banning of books and the whole PC BS!
I think in terms of preservation of media, it is good that we can still have these to refer to from a historical context. Nothing against Seuss in particular, he was trying to help his country.
If I ran the zoo is quite important, it invented the word Nerd.
0:28 my mom owns the “and to think I saw it on mulberry street” one, didn’t know it was canceled
I remember reading that book I never knew it was canceled either
That's why physical copies are needed, online versions can be cancelled in a split second
King definition: the MALE ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth
There are no women kings, like actually. He is right when saying only women queens, good lord.
Hatshepsut of Egypt was technically a female king, though. But in modern terms, yes, he would be right
I think that part was a joke
He's referencing the movie Woman King, obviously
It was a a joke.
Jadwiga in Poland was a king, not a queen.
I remember reading "And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street" and "McElligot's Pool" when I was a kid. It's crazy knowing that they're discontinued now
“There are not woman kings, only queens,”
Dr. Suess casually ignoring several pharaohs
That is right a woman is a queen not a king
@@Pato-yc6ii Historically because the Pharaoh system was only built for kings, women who came into power in ancient Egypt at a certain point were Las referred to as kings and even art depicting them often try to rewrite them as male
Yeah, but everyone in Egypt just kinda coped hard and pretended they were male. A lot of art depicting them more masculine, makeup to make them seem more male.
@@Pato-yc6ii You are insulting the Polish King Jadwiga...
No woman kings in the west. You know, where Dr. Suess was from. He wasn't necessarily known to be Egyptian.
What’s interesting is that Dr. Seuss himself was aware of the criticisms his books sometimes got and oftentimes met them. The “Chinaman” in the “Mulberry Street” book, for example, was edited in later editions to be less offensive, like removing the stereotypical ponytail and yellow skin. But in today’s culture, I guess that isn’t enough.
I mean, it's literally a slur, and he's compared to all types of fantastical scenarios when at that point, it's just a guy...
@@megarigged I recall there being other normal-ish individuals being imagined up in the book. I guess back in the days when segregated neighborhoods were more commonplace, even normal individuals of different ethnic backgrounds were seen as exotic. I can’t really blame them for thinking that way if that’s the environment they were living in.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 Yes, that's exactly why it's offensive. It's wrong to market "a Chinese man who eats with sticks" as being as wacky as a real magician or a 10-foot-long beard.
@@megarigged Magicians and people with long beards also exist, to be fair. For them, that’s perfectly normal.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 You can't seriously be entertaining this. Those are objectively rare sights that are interesting. Chinese people are not a sight to behold. They're just people.
These are all the more ironic considering Seuss and his family were of German-Jewish descent.
After what I saw (Jews supporting Israel's crimes), it is no longer funny but sad...
i read the mulberry street one once, didnt even know it was cancelled.
They read this at my elementary school for all of us for Dr suess’ birthday
I was very aware of his cartoon strips and most of his banned books but I didn’t know about the films he made, the more you know…
I think dr. Souss believed in what he wrote and draw in his books of preserving nature and treating people kind regardless if they got a star on their belly or not its just a huge sad event like that can make anyone or even everyone say and do bad things
He would be cancelled if he still lived
Well..duh. He even did get cancelled once. It’s in the video.
Thank you for presenting the information as you did and letting us, the viewers, come to our own conclusion.
He mispresented a lot of them
A lot of the stuff shown were either misrepresented, taken out of context, or was just in bad faith.
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I think the proper term is Inuit
Ironic ain't it
That'll be outlawed, too.
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@@beze9632 lol you idiot, I commented that when this video had barely any views. How far did you scroll to search for my comment, sad waste of time.
@@beze9632 When I commented this, the video had barely any views and the channel had much less subscribers. What made you waste your time scrolling to find my comment, and what compelled you to reply?
2:29 saying fat in a book os not why it got cancelled. Also queer means odd, that is also not why it got cancelled. Some of these points seem like a stretch. Saying girls are less creative than boys seems like a really big stretch because it refers to one girl, and doesn't mean all girls are uncreative.
Gotta say the delivery og that all fouled up was absolute fucking perfection
0:41 that’s internet humor before the internet 💀💀💀
2:24 why the kid reading right there sound like Bart Simpson for real
If I were to summarize his life from my perspective, Seuss’ earlier works basically correspond to what the public thought of at the time prior to the Second World War. But, in his later stage, his works have a sense of reflection and wisdom, and a hope for a better world; at least that is what I presume.
I don’t understand how the fishing one is at all offensive, or the cats quizzes
is it just me or does this video feel like ai? and I don't mean just the narration voices. the music feels weirdly generic and unrelated, a lot of the script is just listing things, a lot of them ignoring context which makes the more serious ones seem less important. either that or it's just so low effort (which the former would also imply). how queer.
The first one is in band. I literally read that in school when I was there
Isn’t Eskimo an outdated term? I heard that natives in places where they were called that prefer to be called Inuit or…I don’t remember the other one
If you want some more examples of women who were rulers and beared the title of King.
There aren't a lot of examples (because most female rulers were queens, empress, tsarinas and the works) but they exist.
- King Jadwiga, first female monarch of Poland. She married a grand-duke of Lithuania, which would found a centuries long union between the two kingdoms. She didn't really do much because, well... she kinda died when she was 25.
- Emperor Wu Zetian, the only woman Emperor of China. A lot people called her Empress nowadays, but the Chinese word for Empress meant wife of the Emperor, which she was before she ruled, but when she came into power on her own(replacing her son which ruled as her puppet) they called her Emperor. She did... a lot. Way too much for me to list here. But unlike Jadwiga, she died a grandma still bossing around her kids. Not the best mother, but hey, effective ruler.
*Bore. Not "beared".
The Snafu films were training films for army personnel and were not intended for the general public. They really weren't propaganda as such, no more than anything else at the time.
WHAT WAS HIS BEEF WITH JAPANESE, KOREAN AND CHINESE 😭🙏🙏
I think we know
Fun Fact: "And to think I saw it on Mulberry Street" appeared in the book "Six by Seuss"
Bro, I'm a 100% opened to the possibility that I may be the problem, but I don't see too many wrongs here. The US was at war with Japan. Of course they weren't gonna be portrayed in a flattering way when he was making animations for the army.
Because the USA did something to fight the Nazis... You probably believe it, but as a person from Poland I will say one thing: They didn't do anything
so right, like theyre trying to win not lose
Back then, they put the Japanese in camps, today they let hating muslims in in millions and let them be senators and congress members
It's also not uncommon to dehumanize the enemy in times of war. There's also the fact that many people in America were angry at the Japanese for Pearl Harbor. Similar feelings towards people of Middle-Eastern descent rose up as a result of 9/11.
Also, many other media also used racial stereotypes towards the Japanese, including DC and Marvel comics.
@@SaiyanGamer95 yeah so its not like hes a horrible person, he was just doing his duty as a leading citizen of the US
2:30 No need to bring Queer up, it wasnt widely used as a derogatory back then. It’s same reason for why the word “gay” is in the Flintstones theme
Y’all are really concerning me clearly he wasn’t saying it was offensive. He was saying that’s one of the reasons I got banned so probably later on people found it offensive. Please use your listening ears.
@@Alex-fb4tl still, that's no purpose in banning the book, and that probably was not the reason why it did. Dr. Seuss never intended the word in that meaning.
🎼🎶🎵 "Twistin', twistin', everybody feeling GAY; twistin', twistin', twisting the night away! 🎵🎶🎼
Slant eye and monkey face are not ok to say today, but those words were common back in the day
I still say it
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@@5tr4wberrys0da Are you a fat 60-year old male identifying as a strong and brave young woman? Like "Admiral" Richard Levine
Spittin' FACTS
they still ok to stay today a woke company took over and tried to erase history when they just freeloading off others work.
It’s always so odd to see these things and remember that his drawings and writing were probably just normal back then
2:28
Ok you got me hooked and already have me convinced that Seuss isn’t what he seems, but come on “he said fat and queer”
Really 🤦
Wdym “and to think I saw it on mulberry street” was banned? I saw it in my school library
I seen all 6 banned books in my local library, so I guess the library didn't want to remove them.
@@nfglegos A good number of libraries and librarians do their best to keep most books safe from the ban hammer. Books are kinda important for them.
From printing, nothing said they had to be taken out of libraries.
I never expected to see these replies a week later!
Don't ask what Dr.seuss did between 1939-1945
Based Dr. Seuss
I don’t think any of these should be banned. Some, like the pond one, weren’t even really that bad, and the ones that are horrible are also history and should be remembered for what they are rather than erased. Obviously they shouldn’t be sold in the kids section at the local library but they also shouldn’t be erased from the public eye.
3:24 king jadwiga of Poland was female. Pretty interesting story of how it happened, basically the king that was there before tried to have a son but he was unsuccessful, and polish law and the time said something along the lines of “queens can’t rule Poland” or something to that extent, and the loop hole was “well what if they were just a king?” And there you have it.
I actually one 3 of these discontinued books, I didn't know they were rare.
funny how my school signs dr. seuss songs at a music class
He was a product of the time so you can’t judge his less than desirable work to work from now because we didn’t live to see the the sentiment back then
Why are people getting angry at Doc for saying that Women cannot be kings and only queens? It’s true. Have you ever heard of a male queen?
Jadwiga?
"When Louis died, his daughter Hedwig of Anjou took the throne. When she came to Poland from Hungary, she was only 10 years old. Shortly after her arrival in 1384, she was crowned, with the consent of the Polish lords, and took her father's title of king of Poland (not queen!)"
So it's misleading, a woman could have been king lol
Huh I didn’t know that actually. You could argue though that she took her Father’s title. I’m not entirely sure how it works.
@@CanOBeans-ds5qq But this proves him wrong
Queer just meant odd back then.
A lot of these aren't even meant to be offensive, your just looking at it in a weird way. For instance, the "Jane" part isn't bad. It's just a person.
Some of this is due to how we change over time. It's sad to view the past under the same ideologies people celebrate today - not everything is meant to be hurtful.
2:29 The word queer was a standard English word at the time, it meant "weird". U can also find the word in the lord of the rings trilogy. And the word fat has only recently started to be seen as an insult. Now I know that this video is untrustworthy.
This is certainly interesting information, and, as is typical with any person I’ve met, it initially makes me want to categorize him as a good or bad person, but I am going to not do that, because I’m trying to get better at knowing that everyone is complicated
4:46 "Stick em up or I'll blow your brains out" is downright hilarious!
Fun Fact Cartoons back then were made for adults but then started making cartoons for children after seeing how entertaining they were.
Back in the day, queer didn’t mean what it means now, it meant weird in general, like, if someone didn’t have a working eye my nan would say: oh he has a queer eye!
It meant odd, strange, or unusual as you said. Now, it mostly means just different or interesting
It was a different time I don’t think anyone at the time would have been offended. In modern day we know better and I understand why the books and other media is inexcusable.
i remember reading a book like “And go Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street” it was about a zoo im pretty sure
His good ideas guided good people's whole lives, making them much less susceptible to modern manipulation. This makes cancelling him more than just a convenience.
2:30 I know I'm not the first to say it, it meant an odd/strange, or even sometimes shady kind of fellow.
I remember reading 'if I ran the zoo'
The good ole days before people walked on eggshells.
These books should not have been banned. How dumb
The Zoo one was a banger growing up. It’s a heavily stylized illustration style. I don’t see the stereotyping as much of an issue considering the lack of globalization at the time. It was an easy way to convey to the audience diversity and a bit of exoticism of the unfamiliar with artistic shorthand. Sure that method is looked down on today, but we live in a global society with free flowing information at the tips of our fingers. As a result of this globalism, we no longer need to rely on over-exaggerated stereotypes as we can demystify, research and remove the artificial exoticness more easily and accurately thanks to the internet. To purge these historic works simply because it is considered distasteful today is just sad. We cannot force current ideals on past works as our experiences are completely different.
For some reason I remember "And to Think That I Saw It on MULBERRY SRTEET" even though it was probably banned before I was born
I genuinely wasn't sure what was in those books that made them ban-worthy, but I assumed it wasn't anything egregiously offensive, more "in bad taste" than anything, and that's what they seem like to me. The stereotypes and jokes are far from the worst I've ever seen and some of them were probably well-intentioned at the time, but given the choice between having an impressionable child see them and take them at face value and just not letting them see it, I'd say the latter is the most practical choice. Besides, the man wrote sixty books in his lifetime, I don't think it would be a great loss to "only" have access to 54 of them (and let's be honest: nearly all of them are better anyway).
But I guess "not being reprinted any more because they have a couple of off-colored jokes in them that are now considered to be inappropriate for children" is not as catchy or succinct as "banned."
SNAFU, BINGO BANGO 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
Bro rly brought up the woman king
I own a big red book that has most of these stories
you could say that doctor seuss is pretty popular
Aren’t We All Just a Little Bit Too sensitive over these kids books by Dr. Suess? Cancel culture at work again! I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean queer like they would have us believe. He meant odd things not literally sexual orientation. Woke mob takes every single thing literal. I’ve grown up with his books and never believed whatever group is pushing down our throats about it relative to them in particular. C’mon now. Obviously the taboo subjects are outdated, but historically they were a landmark series from the Dr.
Grinch men north of Whoville, Lord knows they all just wanna have total control...
There is nothing wrong with mulberry street. Discontinuing it was insane and stupid. Obviously he was cornered and pressured by insane people.
And the Chinese do eat with chopsticks, and they are proud of this, and would never be offended by this.
Also, the kid only implied that his sister was less imaginative than him, which is true of half of all siblings at random.
Has Dr Seuss never heard of revising a book?
Well I took a walk around the world to ease my troubled mind
I left my body lying somewhere in the sands of time
But I watched the world float to the dark art of Dr. Seuss
I feel there’s nothing I can do, yeah
I agree with some of those things being bad, but you also have to take into account that Japan was evil in WW2. They have mellowed out in todays time, but back then, they literally teamed up with Nazis. And they boiled Chinese babies. But Im not sure if the animations were intended to be racist, but more of to make fun of the Japanese army at the time for how evil they were. In much the same way we nowadays make fun of Russia, North Korea and Arab countries with evil leadership. -Thats kind of the perspective I hold on a lot of that stuff. Let me know youre thoughts on that.
However, so unlike the Germans of today, the Japanese take NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER for their actions during WW2!!
my grandparents own the mulberry street one
Dr Seuss’s 1930s work was the equivalent of Tyler the creator’s GOBLIN album
If only he was as righteous as us.
the lorax isnt anti logging its anti destruction of the enviornment, logging is ver susstainible with them rpelanting all of the trees they log, and logging helps fight forest fires
its funny cuz this isnt even that odd for the time. disney had plenty of propaganda animations too during ww2, though probably a little less racist.
I actually found the "scrambled eggs super" book in my classroom.
During my social studies class we learned about world war 2 and looked at political cartoons we even looked at some drawn by Dr.Suess. I never knew that he illustrated stuff like this so it's pretty cool to learn about
I heard all he did was come up with the words; someone else did the artwork....
This is a very professional video, It really deserves more views.
Would be better without the implied 'woke' implication that Seuss had a 'dark' i.e. bad side that should be tisk-tisked by us moderns, rather than his works being judged by the values of the culture at the time. The narrator's tone of voice is a bit too condescending for my liking. There is certainly no issue re modern public institutions choosing to not include certain publications as being inappropriate for modern educational purposes, but let's not pompously demonize certain people in history who merely reflected the mores of their time. Certainly we can judge our current culture, as much improved! We have come a long way.
Honestly; I don’t really find anything wrong with his works. During wartime, it is only natural to promote cautiousness and a dire emphasis on unity and collaboration. The consequences of such a thing may be slightly degrading, but its results are the security we enjoy now. Without these precautions, we have the open invitation of foreigners in total disregard of our adversary’s capacity to freely infiltrate and execute attacks upon our combined masses. In spite of all of the propaganda - Seuss emphasized working together with precision and the rebuilding of a world torn apart. And as for the descriptions of foreign peoples and cultures, it is simply irrational to find offense in merely referring to Chinese people as Chinesemen or pointing out the fact that we use chopsticks. Besides these quite normal things, he advocated for the union and acceptance of all peoples during a time in which such an idea cannot be fully embraced.
He did not say merely ‘Chinese man’ he doth say ‘chinaman’
As you can see…