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The fact you would say that Sneako refuted anyone is false.
A christian speaking about preservation is really throwing stones in a glass house. Couldn't agree more
Nobody claims the bible is perfectly preserved you guys are claiming the quran is perfectly preserved yet you are being caught wow
@@OlowojaiyePaulyou just admitted it, it isn't preserved, thus you can't trust any information within it. Thanks for giving up, come to Islam
More funny when Muslims speaking about preservation of the Quran.
@@OlowojaiyePaulThe Holy Qur'an has been memorized and preserved through oral tradition unlike your bible. Moreover The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through oral tradition itself until it came into the form of a book when every single narration of The Holy Qur'an was compiled into one Book. How can you expect the preservation of the bible when not a single christian has memorized the old or the new teastments?
We even have the oldest copy of The Holy Qur'an which you can look up anywhere on the internet.
@@jesustv1079The Holy Qur'an has been memorized and preserved through oral tradition unlike your bible. Moreover The Holy Qur'an was originally revealed through oral tradition itself until it came into the form of a book when every single narration of The Holy Qur'an was compiled into one Book. How can you expect the preservation of the bible when not a single christian has memorized the old or the new teastments?
We even have the oldest copy of The Holy Qur'an which you can look up anywhere on the internet.
As an Italian convert of 5y I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO COME OUT WITH THE QERAAT BECAUSE OF HIS IGNORANCE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Wich Quran has Allah send to Muhammad? Warsh, Hafs. etc...?
@@jesustv1079do you know how Quran revealed? By word, not by letter.
The letter might change but the word it's not.
When it said "one" it mean one in any letter or language not mean "three"
@@sgtsetia - So Allah is Three ?
its pretty bad and in sincere that they are going to a new revert and trying to confuse him like shaitan
Chris has refuted Musa on his channel
@@inquisitivemind007 Why does he keep coming back even tho he got refuted a million times by hijab
@@mffouzaanmd where has he?
I've been noticing that when Christians claim that there is 10 different version of the Quran, nobody bothers to ask them to find verses in those versions Quran that are completely different from each other.
We easily can, issue is that Islam hides behind arabic. Arab Christian’s do it everyday
Like father like son, love you guys. I’m a Shia from America and I really enjoy watching you and your father ❤️
Ok kuffar 👌
@@hasinhoque3929you can't say he's a kafir just cause he's a Shia . Now he he invokes Ali RA that's a different story
@@Taymanafghanwhile cutting themselves
@@Taymanafghan The fact that he explicitly mentioned his sect and not just claiming to be muslim.
If you're sincere about following the truth leave the deviancy of shia, the preservation of the Quran was done by the great companions like Abu bakr, Omar and Uthman, the shia belief of them being hypocrites is an attack on the preservation of the book, this is why some shia today consider the Quran altered, a belief that makes you accuse the wife of the prophet ﷺ who was his most loved person of adultery is not the belief of muslims, repent and return to Allah and leave calling to others other than him
its not an ignorant person its a malicious person
This abdool musa lied that uJewz were safe under arab rule throughout history when in fact there were multiple pogroms throughout the arab world be it in yemen or morrocco throughout history
The brothers in Speakers Corner were not suppose to let the new revert brother have discussion alone with such people. They were supposed to be by his side because he is not ready to debate
I agree it can cause doubt to new muslims.they should avoid it although i don't think sneako had any doubts regarding it as he didn't bother to ask questions to muslims as far as i see.maybe he did ask whatever the case he definitely was not affected or if he was affected somebody solved his doubts although I will say he shouldn't visit and talk to people who are trying to make Islam look false.only experts should get themselves in these debates and that too should have a benefit rather than just egos clashing.
hes bald thats haram
The guy behind him the African american brother is a experienced daee he has his own channel in youtube where he does public dawah forgot his channels name hence he did have someone experianced
Just a case where many American are a bit behind in knowledge with Muslim here
Give daleel or you condemned not only those who do umrah and hajj, but also khalid ibn Al-Walid. @@AsscherMazzelaar
@@AsscherMazzelaarno it’s not
Sad to see a brother so lost, Jesus loves you, and dont encourage violence❤
you are the lost one
From the clip i saw, i was more annoyed that sneko, a new revert, was put in a position that he lacks knowledge in. I wish i was there to refute that deceiver. Anyways, that Christian preacher was finished by your Farther Ustad Adnan, which he had no answer to, and a fun watch.
You smashed it!
The Hubris of these Christians is astounding! Alhamdulillah for Islam!
They are not Christians at this point. I used to hear Christians attempt to bring people to Christ. Now they just attack the Deen.
That side of the camp is literally Disingenuous FC🤦♂️
Hold up, the Author the Christians tried to lie about PERSONALLY SLAPPED HIM ACCROSS THE FACE!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mashallah 🤲 May Allah swt bless you brother Musa
Musa Adnan has been refuted by Chris from Speakers Corner
We even have Scholars like Angelika newirth and van putten affirming the preservation of The Quran.
So, have I understood correctly: Arabic in different dialects "He" in the Koran can be "We" in another dialect and "big" is "a lot", stating a fact is a command in another dialect and "to fight" means "killed..."...."you" vs "they", "they do" vs "you do" etc etc.
It seems more like (as Sahih al-Bukhari 5038 reads) that no one remembers what the original "dialect" was anymore. And those "dialects" seem like different languages because the content of the text changes.
But as far as I know, all "dialects" agree on Q 2:2 i.e. the Qur'an is الْكِتَابُ (l-kitābu) = the book. And the question is where is the book that Mohammed received? Or the original 7? 14? 30? records
Muhammad didn't receive a book he received revelations
@@rabielazazi787 Q 2:2
@@exactormortis7433 the mention of a book in the quran doesn't mean a physical book with pages and cover
you think we didn't know that
@@rabielazazi787 Well Koran claims to be Book. If Koran does not mean that, then where does it read? Where else does the word Kitab mean the same as the word altilawa? And why doesn't the Koran read that word if it means just recitation? And how recitation, can be eternal? has anyone ever done it? Maybe Allah himself has created it from eternity? But how can it be uncreated? Allah clearly created it then. And most certainly it has been changed if you had to look for it in stones and leaves... and the Prophet himself said that he has forgotten a part of it... and the question is, of course, which part?
And it doesn't fit the narrative that Mohammed was illiterate. And that again means that the connection to the Torah according to the narrative is permanently severed in all respects.
If the Koran is not a book, then the whole narrative of Islam becomes incoherent, and if the Koran is a book, one can ask where it is. Either way, it's not good for the narrative...
@@exactormortis7433 linguistically the meaning of the word kitab means what was decreed or what was revealed to a prophet not a book and you asked so many questions as if you are in at the parliament i can't really answer all those
Jamaican brother hamza had an in depth conversation with Chris Alhamdulliah. Is worth the watch. We need more students of knowledge, whom have gone away and studied to have more recognition in the park, and represent Islam.
😂 but seriously! When the source you are using as proof of your point is responding and refuting you!!!!!.... you know you have lost!... it's a nuclear slap in the face!😂😂
Mashallah Tabarakallah. Jazakallahu Khair for speaking up
Sneaky should not have said anything since he wasn’t knowledgeable enough to answer those questions.
The frustration of the disbelievers are clearly show
(BISMILLAH)
COMES IN THE
BEGINNING OF
EVERY CHAPTER
(SURAHS) OF THE
QURAN & WHY
ITIS MISSING IN
CHAPTER 9
Can answer this.(BISMILLAH)
COMES IN THE
BEGINNING OF
EVERY CHAPTER
(SURAHS) OF THE
QURAN & WHY
ITIS MISSING IN
CHAPTER 9.COMES TWICE IN CHPTER 27.VS 30
The pattern is repeated
throughout the history of
revelation:
Allah sent the Torah.
Man (and his enemy) added
the Talmud, to "help" it, and to
"fill in the gaps"
Allah sent the Injeel.
Man (and his enemy) added
the teachings of Paul, to
"help" it, and to "fill in the
gaps"
Allah sent the Qur'an
Man (and his enemy) added
the Hadith, to "help" it, and to
"fill in the gaps"
Will man ever wake up?
Well explained
Allahumma Barik
Imagine he is debating with someone a new muslim
Why he didn't debate with the scholars he knows the result
Different Qirat can understand it with the parallel as English language with different accents e.g Royal version of English, Northern, Welsh, Irish, Scottish American, different American accents, Indian accents, African accents etc doesn't mean it isn't english
2:00 just because he's ignorant, doesn't mean you're right.
Chris & Bob = Beavis and Butthead 😂🤣
Question, What does Allah reveal about himself in quran that is not in the bible?
Different Qirat means different Quran? what on earth? Different accents also equal to different language? They don't even realize how absurd they sound
The Quran written hundreds years ago in Arabic was written with out dots which changed the meanings of the words so yes the Quran is not the same Quran from today
Ex-Christian, television personality, Amber Rose, speaking about the death of Jesus Christ, she said: “I just don’t believe that Jesus died and came back to life for my sins. I just believe that’s crazy. That’s ludicrous. I believe it’s manipulative."
Islam got cooked yet again
why they letting sneako speak of matters he lack in knowledge of? But wow the plot twist is something else, bro got refuted by his own source🤣🤣
The guy behind him the African american brother is a experienced daee he has his own channel in youtube where he does public dawah forgot his channels name hence he did have someone experianced
Just a case where many American are a bit behind in knowledge with Muslim here
@@abdullahassaffahhe's not African american, he's Hispanic. He's less knowledgeable than the brothers on the park, but he's adequate enough.
@abdullahassaffah isn't the Warner himself a revert? I think I heard him say that before.
@@AbdulazizKideryes he’s a revert he was Christian before
Those are "authentic lies"
created by mankind almost
200+ years after Prophet's
death. So eventually those lies
were established as a
secondary source only to
destroy monotheism. Ask
those who believe such
authentic lies despite God's
commandments not to follow
anything other than Quran
(Follow what has been
revealed and nothing else -
6:50, 6:153, 7:3, 7:203, 10:15,
10:109, 46:9)
Are ppl seriously using the qira'ats as something against islam ??? Can't process this ngl
Subhanallah
The thing is why is Sneako out there debating to begin with when he's only just entered Islam? it makes zero logical sense, don't expose him to this setting until he spends some years properly studying Deen with someone qualified, that setting isn't for him to be dumped in, nor should people allow him to when his mind is still vulnerable and raw, was a stupid thing to do
Masha Allah the background looks cozy
Malik & Malik both refer to Allah Subhaana Wa T'aala so what's the problem? If I am speaking about a friend of mine called David & I call him Dave which is a nickname he has approved of himself then there's no problem. It's not like I am calling someone a human, a man whom I believe to be god by a name not authorised by him. Yeshua/ Esau becomes Jesus.
well said. ❤
What a coward, he can only talk with confidence to new converts
Our lord and saviour Jesus Christ is king of kings.
no he's not
@rabielazazi787 I know for a Fact he is. what do you know about satanism?
@@orwellspigs8540 they worship satan
@@orwellspigs8540 they worship the devil
So? The Babylonian king was also given the title 'King of kings'.
God doesn't need to kill himself to forgive our sins. God forgives all our sins above His blessed Throne.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a Muslim or a believer washes his face in ablution, every sin that he committed with his eyes will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his hands, every sin that he committed with his hands will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his feet, every sin that he committed with his feet will be washed away with the last drop of water, until he emerges purified from sin.”
Sahih Muslim 244
It’s ironic how they constantly talk about fallacies during the debate but then they tried to pursue an individual fallacy by going up to a layman like Sneako who’s only been Muslim for a year just so they can claim that Muslims “don’t have an answer” 😂
But he actively slates Christianity perhaps he should learn more about both religeons before passing comment to a large online audience
So why is Sneako at speakers corner when he has no idea what he’s talking about or has any points to bring up ?
@@aureum7479 Cause he likes to learn. That’s why he couldn’t initially come with a rebuttal because he never heard of the recitation styles of the Qur’an so he was open to dialogue. But a Muslim should be well-versed in theological debates.
I hope he does become educated on the hadiths, so he can quickly realise the error of his ways
@@TheTregan You seem like you know the Hadiths. How many rakats are in Sahih Al-Bukhari?
سبحان الله that was such a low behavior from the christian. Literally in our uni the students lead salah in different qiraat. As if that is some news to us muslims. All of it was revealed to the prophet (peace be upon him).
Thing is, even though he's knowledgeable, there are holes in what he's saying, he's simply ignorant, SubhanAllaah (despite knowing more, he's still ignorant, from the claims he's saying).
The Qiraat (way of pronouncing) doesn't change the meaning of the ayats. (see this vid -> ua-cam.com/video/A4HgpG0SZFw/v-deo.html "You should NEVER do this when correcting the Imam's recitation")
5:45 exactly, it's goofy. It's like asking a child about algebra and bringing up an advanced problem in algebra, like brev he's a kid he wouldn't know. Hence the saying, not to be taken literally, to "pick someone your own size" yani converse with the people that has the same knowledge level as you, if you got beef with someone, you say it to the person in question not their counterparts/associates as it's specifically to do with the person who knows what you know. It's like a level 1 rookie up against the level IT'S OVER 9000 Mafia Boss.
there's multple arabic dialects, guess there's multiple arabic languages
It seems as those hate preachers breath dishonesty!
Which prophet ever taught people to be so wicked!
❤❤❤❤ Islam is truth always prevail
it's quite problematic when you are a new revert and maybe you never heard about qirat, ahruf etc... the astonishing thing is the silence of "The Warner" and we have happy dumb christians thinking that this is an argument.
Ustad musa i challenge all christians around the world tell me one church father believed 27 books of the new testment before 4th century
The first church father said the new testment is revealation from god is aranius 2th century
Imagine how the size of the disaster imagine guys 😢
To make shape this topic we must comparing with other source.
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So the standard narrative has holes in it
If anything, the Ahruf and Qira’at, make the Quran even more miraculous than people think.
A dead argument coming from the people of a dead religion
I wholeheartedly support your youtube video exposing the disingenuous behavior of this guy.
You slapped him in the face more hardly brother❤...
The quran is absolutely not perfectly preserved
it is absolutely and perfectly preserved
Muslims “there is only one Quran, word by word, letter by letter”
Also Muslim” yes we believe in multiple versions”
1:22 ah yes, I saw this vid on YT somewhere, the thumbnail/title being 23 or many qur'ans
it is like saying Data and Data you said it in 2 different ways in your mind don't lie.
Paul was 100% a false apostle.
All of Asia Minor rejected Paul. They complained to James about Paul that he was trying to make them end the Laws. When Paul arrives in Jerusalem, James questions Paul in Acts 21:21 about this complaint which the people of Asia Minor made. James made Paul do a nazarite vow in Acts 21:26, which included shaving his head and animal sacrifice. So they were still sacrificing animals long after Jesus.
The people of Asia Minor came back to Jerusalem and seen Paul. They dragged him out of the temple and beat him up and nearly killed him in Acts 21:27-32 for preaching against the Law of Moses.
The Roman guards came and took Paul away and jailed him. Paul then writes to Timothy and says all of those in Asia Minor had rejected him in 2 Timothy 2:15.
After Paul dies, Jesus is speaking to the people of Asia Minor. The very people who rejected Paul. Jesus is praising them for rejecting false apostles in Revelation 1:20 and Revelation 2:1-2.
The argument which no Christian can answer to is, why was Jesus praising the enemies of Paul who nearly killed him? If Paul was a true apostle, then Jesus would have rebuked them. But he was praising the very people who rejected Paul, proving Paul could never have been a true apostle. Jesus never mentioned Paul even once to them. Even Barnabas completely fell out with Paul. The church is hiding this as they know most Christians don't read Bible and are just blindfollowers.
This abdool musa lied that uJewz were safe under arab rule throughout history when in fact there were multiple pogroms throughout the arab world be it in yemen or morrocco throughout history
Well done to Hamza for challenging Godlogic I hope Musa Andan steps up and challenges him. I think Bro Musa Adnan has the capability to challenge him. What do you guys think?
Not ignorent but is a liar because they understand the issue of Qiraat very well yet they are lying about it.
100k soon inshallah
Dam brother you have lost weight all that working out has paid off
Another way to to refute Trinitarians is to ask them "if Jesus is god, then why is the Lord's prayer addressed only to the Father and not to to the son?"
Its like as if Jesus is not want to be prayed or worshipped to.
they make insane mental gymnastics, like saying, that Jesus(aleihi sallam) was showing how to live a perfect human life(so he prayed as human), and that he is 100%x and 100%y and etc, whilst the concept of Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible. So they distort the meaning of clear passages to put there concept of Trinity made up by churchfathers, so this is pure insanity at this point, SubhanAllah
upd: by insanity I meant their mental gymnastics
@@zrne9168 Bro Musa has the capabilities to challenge Godlogic after this video. Especially the trinity looking forward to it.
The guy was a weasel to go ask a new Muslim. stupid questions which he would have gotten destroyed in front of a learned brother,not only he did that but he also put it on video to make a new Muslim look bad what a coward
Brother that guy s not ignorant his a charlatan , Mohammed Hijab explained it all to him in a long discussion, yet he still came back with same rubbish picking on a new Muslim.
try to make an american, and an irish say the same word, you would hear 2 different sounds yet they still be the same word..
Ложь единственный инструмент который у них остался..хвала Аллаху за Ислам
It's been preserved even with the 10 kirat which makes it more impressive when you think about
Quran is not perfectly preserved..
It is. It is 100% preserved, Dr. Marijn van Putten agrees with that point. Your New Testament is a collection of normie books with no divine intervention in them.
subhanAllah you even sound like your Dad
God has no sons. The meaning of the term “Son of God” in the Old and New Testament.
In the Bible, the term “Son of God” means a righteous servant of God. It does not mean literally divine son of God. The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical.
In previous Scriptures, pious believers were called “sons of God.” It was not only Jesus who was “son of God” in the bible; other Prophets were also called “son of God.” For example:
David: Psalm 2:7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Solomon: 2 Samuel 7:13-14. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
Adam: Luke 3:38. Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
God has no real son. Jesus, David, Solomon, etc. were only close servants of God
Alhamdulillah
😴😴😴😴 refute 😂😂😂
10 Readings of the Qur'an... That were given by the prophet PBUH from Allah... And that we still have today, word for word. Brother we preserved 10 Readings of the Qur'an, you couldn't keep the 1 gospel of Jesus. Please.
What does it mean when there is holes in rhe standard narrative by yasir qudhi?and and there is differences in the 2 different qurans?
He cleared that up, watch his video which he made explaining his point in great detail.
@@samviktor100 what was explained in detail?
@@samviktor100 he clearly did not say there one well preserved quran..
@@jaylinbezuidenhout9204
He literally said he didn't mean what the critics thought. He said very clearly that he believes doubting the Quran is disbelief.
Quran is preserved, actual Islamic scholars (Yasir Qadhi is like Muhammad hijab, a internet daee, not a scholar) have said that it has been preserved, even non-muslim ones.
@@samviktor100 lmaf does not matter how you defend the preservationof the quran..we all know its false. Shabir ally himself admit there is differences in the quran..
The anti muslim is a student of jay smith.
He didn't go to the new Muslim, the new Muslim went to him!
Jesus is the only thing that will save you ..
One of the biggest mistakes they wrote in the quran is they called Jesus is The Messiah .
Savor of the world.
you Muslims say you respect Jesus ,.well Jesus said He is the First and the Last He will judge the world.
Repent andcseek Jesus
womp womp 🤡🤡
Jesus said that, or a certain author of the New Testament? big difference.
Plenty of videos on youtube showing muslims not knowing their religion ..Have a look
lol they doing the same dumb retoric trying say qirat equals a whole different quran and bringing weak hadith like aisha R.A saying were missing part of a surah so dumb they went after a revert who is learned the same way as either shamsi or adnan rashid or mohammad hijab they went after someone who isnt super knowledgeable go up to one of them with the same rhetoric see how it gets destroyed second malik king isnt different then owner maliki it gives it a higher status as a king is owner of a land technically heres the exact a male sovereign or monarch; a man who holds by life tenure, and usually by hereditary right, the chief authority over a country and people.
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Go debate them then …. You wont just like all the other muslims
he wont dare bring this topic up to him he choose a new muslim to trick so cry harder boy
@@rabielazazi787 even tho he goes against muhammed hijab and ali dawah
@@rabielazazi787 go get on your flying horse or carpet
@@MRTongo101 He went against the father of this youtuber as well and got cooked absolutely hard. He got demolished to the point you could see desperation and inner destruction of his pathetic soul. This guy (Chris, I think?) has been refuted countless times on the same topic, yet he won't listen, like a bratty child on a school morning.
@@samviktor100 delusional
Lol they just pick on sneako for clout
seasons may change but god''s word is eternal ' o t bible ' god is one ' nt bible ' god is now 3 coequal godheads ' Quran ' god is one ' now you know why quran had to come as final revelation now then gotta ask. how are you still led astray
hello,Musa
I stumbled upon your video. You made a number of claims about Christianity and the Bible towards the end and this is a rebuttal I am providing. Below i will list in bullet points each claim you made and respond to it thoroughly.
1. 94 pct of the 5700 greek manuscript come from the 8th century
response: Yes musa that is true we have 342 greek manuscripts that are before the 8th century, We have hundreds of manuscripts coming in other languages such as latin and coptic as well not just greek.
2. you stated the bible didnt exist in its current form until the 3th century.
response: I'm totally sure what you meant by that. NT books circulated independently not as a single complete bible.
3. you stated irenaus of lyons early church father was the first one to list the 4 gospels in 200 AD
response: this is technically true he is the first one to mention specifically all 4 and he lived in 180 AD. Also arly church father Papias mention both Matthew and Mark 2 of the 4 gospels in the early 2nd century. Also ignatius of antioch in his letter to the symreneans mentions the gospel of Matthew in 105 AD.
4. clement of rome,ignatius of antioch or papias didnt refer to the NT as scripture.
response: adnan you flat out lied here the first epistle of clement called the NT writings 'SACRED SCRIPTURE". Justin martyr is the one in dilagous with trypho mentioned the gospels as memoirs of the apostles. He does view them as scripure by consistently quoting them and referncing them as authoritative and also equates them to the books and writings of the prophets in the Old testament.
5. the oldest complete NT mansucripts are late.
response: no they are not they are the earliest of any work at all of ancient anquity. If you criticize the NT by this standards we should expect the same level of consistency when viewing other ancient works. furthermore we have 5 complete copies of the bible all before the 6th century before the birth of mohammed.
1. codex sinaticus- greek-4th century
2. codex vaticanus- greek 4th century
3. codex alexandranius- 5th century greek
4. codex rescriptus- 5th century greek
5. codex beexe - 5the century - latin.
Furthemore musa i found it interesting how you neglect huge amounts of historical context behind this information. Christianity for the first 300 years of the religon until the Roman emperor Constantine converted was a heavily persecuted religon Christians had to hide their bibles and had to do everthing in secret hiding their Bibles and having them burned or risking being killed if it was discovered.
6. you quoted bruce metzger noting textual differences in manu scripts.
reponse: Bruce metzger gave a 99 pct level of Textual certainty when asked about it, Bartin ehrman famous atheist NT skeptic also lists in his books misquoting jesus that he agrees with his teacher Dr. Metzger that "no essential Christian doctrines are affected by variants in manuscripts". pg 252 misquoting jesus.
I find it strange that you packaged your comment as a rebuttal. Without realizing, you have proven my point. The first three points you made do not debunk my claim. In actuality, they support the fact that the preservation of the Bible is incomparable to that of the Qur’an. With regards to your fourth point, you deny my claim without providing any evidence. You then went on to claim that Justin Martyr’s usage of these writings somehow serves as evidence that he viewed them as scripture. I do not have to accept this deduction. Your fifth point strengthens my argument even further. According to your own admission, every single one of those manuscripts is dated back to hundreds of years after Jesus (as). To make it clear, that is extremely late. This is not comparable to the Qur’an; for which we have manuscripts dating back to the time of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (s). Also, the historical context is irrelevant if my claim is truthful (which it is). Your last point does not address my argument. Even if we accept that all doctrines are unaffected by these variants, it does not prove the preservation of the Bible.
@@musaadnan Hey musa, in all honesty i did not expect a response as most people i come across hardly respond to a kid in their comment section. I would first off state that the first three points I made were simply adding further context to the intial point you made. Specifically on the third point I listed in my previous comment I believe (correct me if wrong) meant to state the NT canon was not finalized til the 3rd century this claim is partially true. From the 27 books 2nd century church fathers and writers quoted all the NT books. Church father Athanansius simply took the works of the ealier fathers before him and reviewed it. Justin martyr mentioning the 4 gospels alongside him consistently teaching from them and emphasizing the words and teaching of christ for them is pretty evident itself. If that doesnt show his view of them as scripture i dont know what will. In response to point 4 if I provided verbatim quotes the page would fill up but in the 1st epistle of clement chapter 35 he calls the Nt scripture and quotes it constantly teaching it as God's word throughout. point 5 was simply highlighting the NT compared to other ancient works. If you refer to the NT complete copies as too late problems arise. By that that same consistent standard you must reject essentially every other document from antiquity (Homers illiad, Platos respublic) to name a few and we have many more manuscripts that date within decades of the gospels as p52 which dates within two decades of composition and the lifetime of the apostolic fathers who are not the disciples of christ but the life of their students dating within 2 decades of the last disciples death. My point is if you consider other ancient works preserved by that standard the NT is too furthermore if every manuscript was burned we would still have the NT from patristic quotations alone.Textual variants not affecting variants is huge showing as it displays doctrinal preservation. Again if you reject the NT based on that you are forced to reject all other ancient literature. No other work comes close as the closes being homers iliad with the earliest being 800 years from the initial.
It's all 1 Qur'an in the sense that it's all coming from 1 source.the christian guy is making it look like they were fabrications hence its not 1 Qur'an which is just false.qiraat are parts of the single Qur'an which was revealed to our beloved prophet Muhammad SAW.there are no fabrications unlike other holy scriptures of course.
No matter how many times these people are refuted they will still bring the same argument over and over again just like David Wood and other Christian apologists, their intention is to fool their viewers and distort money from them. Completely embarrassing by these missionaries! Alhamdulillah for Islam!
THATS EXACTLY WHAT ISLAM DOES.
كل ملك مالك ولكن ليس كل مالك ملك
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You all mad,get a life. Do any of you lot at speakers corner work and pay tax. That goes to all religion s
Most the Christian and Muslim there arguing actually have quite good jobs .
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