Making a Game Using COBOL!
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- MERRY COBOL!!! Again...
I don't know why I decided to do this, but Breakout written in COBOL is now a thing. Hooray... COBOL is definitely not designed for game development.
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Visual COBOL:
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COBOL article:
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Yes, I know games can be made in ways that aren't object oriented. I don't know what I was thinking when I put that line in the video since I had made games without OOP before making this video.
You were thinking "if the credulous morons from the government see this, maybe it'll con them into trying to recruit me."
And if you believe that I think I can actually read your mind, I've got a bridge in New York to sell you.
@@cpuwrite lolwut? I made this video two years before COBOL was relevant because i thought it would be a fun programming challenge. I said something that was honestly pretty stupid in that video, and now I'm acknowledging that I said it because around a quarter of my comments were pointing it out. Idk where the government falls into your theory because in 2018 I was actively trying to avoid politics.
@@Truttle1 Yes, and when I watched the video, I could tell right off that you weren't being completely serious, so I posted a joke in response. Your "lol" was appropriate. :) :) :)
Why did you post and pin this comment 1 year after the video was posted. I can barely remember what I ate for breakfast this morning let alone correct something I said 1 year ago
@@UrsaFrank Dude, I was joking. Don't worry about it.
learn cobol in your 20s, biep boop, 100k a year salary in your 30s, cuz everyone else is with pension, and without you the whole social security or banking system falls apart :)
Skaffah you saw all this coming, didn’t you
I started one year ago programming in COBOL (and yes, i develop softwares for bank) it's a hard job, but at the final of month i'm very glad (as begginer)! I can relate what you said and i hope i'll grow up understaning and developing better to reach earning 100k in 1 year
until they update it.
but who knows if that will ever happen
@@danielgeorgescu2436 which techonologies do you need apart of cobol?
@@facundoculetta5211 cobol is an exepcional case. What you'll be ask to know in the 99.99% of the cases are modern leguages like C#, Python, JavaScript, etc. Also try focusing in web programing one you feel you have the basics
"A TABLE of bricks, why does COBOL want terminology that's separate from everything else?"
"Because COBOL is the spawn of Satan it decides to start arrays at 1 instead or 0"
*Sweats in Lua*
Lua is waaay less verbose than COBOL.
@@potatoxel7800 very true
@НTTP no :o
@HTTP its a genius language, with bad execution
roblox devs are sweating rn
I was curious to see what cobol actually looked like. Now Ive seen it, and probably will stick to other languages thanks.
c6jones720 not difficult, why? Bc once you learn it nothing changes.
If it only was *slightly* less verbose...
It looks so much better in all caps and on a CRT monitor though
i loved COBOL in school! i programmed in it for 20+ years, i would take a COBOL programming job in the snap of a finger of visual studio anything. In college in 1995 my final project in RMCOBOL used the screen section and i had an animated intro when the program opened. The professor never even looked at my 10000 line program, he just marked A+ on it lol.
Just a clarification that while object oriented is ideal for making games it's not required at all Doom, Quake and all the classics were made in C even well into the PS2 era people were using C to make games.
Instead of having a class that holds data and the functions that act on that data, you would store the game entities as structs and then have functions that acted on those structs.
So instead of PlayerClass.Move() you would use move_player(playerstruct);
So it's the same thing as object orientation, you're just calling it something different.
@@tux1468 no, no it isn't. There is also the Data Oriented Design approach to gamedev.
@@hannahcrawford9198 it pretty much is, PlayerClass.Move() is same as PlayerClass_Move(this = player) is same as move_player(playerstruct)
@@ishdx9374 It’s not though? There’s a pretty big difference
@@TobySimone I mean, yeah there is a difference because structs are not classes. But if you use a naming convention on those functions that act on your struct, then your code is as object oriented as code made in java.
A lack of Cobol developers? *You don't say!*
It's hard to get a job coding at Walmart unless you know it.
@@douro20 Anywhere that deals with payment systems is likely using COBOL. I think the estimate is 90% of payment systems use COBOL
This video popped out on my recommendations and I was not disappointed
0:47 OOP is not necessary to create games, because before the C++ programming language was popular, most people used languages without OOP, including for creating games.
The K9 Thunder isn't object oriented either. It is written in Cobol.
As a crazy example, 99% of Roller Coaster Tycoon was written in Microsoft Macro Assembly.
Can confirm. I'm currently creating interactive 3D environments using DirectX in C
Write your own constructors dawg
“Since 2002 COBOL has been object oriented”
It’s crazy to think COBOL was already 43 years old by then.
Funny after being a COBOL programmer for 25 years, there are some really self-abusive people around. The COBOL programs I worked on were on an IBM mainframe working mostly with financials, inventory etc. The systems are super complex, with millions of lines of code. What you see on UA-cam is just rudimentary code to show how the language works.
I agree and like in this video they either didn't know or went out of the way to code it in a way that made more typing such as using greater than instead of just the symbol.
I remember being laughed at for wanting to learn cobol. Now I'm gonna learn cobol because it is used to make games.
Using COBOL to write a game is like using a wrench to undo a flathead screw. But you pulled it off! 😂 Nice to see COBOL getting some love 🙂.
All you need to do is peice together the right kind of adapter...
This channel reminds me of the kid with aspergers that sat at our lunch table. Honestly great stuff though.
Praise the ridiculous add for a cobol course on udemy that let me to search for exactly this topic on youtube just to find exactly the entertainment that I needed. Instant sub
There's a udemy COBOL course!?
@@Truttle1 it was like a bonus from one of the teachers of a weird Argentinian "all in one" course. It included Java, python, c#, unity, photoshop, php, html....(begginer level on everything of course). I'm not kiding.
I think it was called: "introducción al desarrollo con los mejores"
COBOL was designed for business and providing some documentation by the code itself. I keep seeing comments about verbose but that is not always a bad thing. I have programmed in many languages for almost 30 years and have seen awful code with no clear explanation what they are attempting to do or variable names that don't make it easier to follow. If you want concise programs ok but then there needs to be comments or some documentation. COBOL still is alive and well in many banks and insurance companies. They may have app front ends but behind the scenes most still run COBOL.
Except that there is no advantage in writing "is greater than" instead of ">". It's not documentation, it's just verbose.
@@sayven Set COBOL to "absolutley pointless".
I think places still run COBOL because they were too lazy to move away. They dug themselves deeper and deeper to the point where it would cost billions of dollars to move off COBOL
@@TraceguyRune Yeah it is costly to replace it but part of it is leadership too. Unless they have to they would rather just let COBOL live on than risk their job trying to replace it. Most figure they will move on and someone else will have to deal with it some day.
@@sayven I totally agree with you for those kind. I never understood why some people would spell at equals or greater than instead of just using the symbols.
I just found your channel and I must say you are doing a great job!
The quality of your videos is amazing. Keep up the good work!
3:29 It's because most style guides made it so lines could only be like 80 characters
Hey, you could actually put your COBOL skills to use now!
I believe the mark of a great artist is the ability to take the wrong tool for the job, and force it do something completely outside the scope of what it was designed for. It's like drawing the Mona Lisa in Microsoft paint, or recreating a Michelangelo painting with crayons, or writing a full length sonata for a toy piano.
Also, COBOL looks a lot like code that you would see in a SciFi movie.
"Stupid and terrible ideas are my middle name" - Truttle1
"Let's write a web scraper in one line of code!" - Code Monkey King
Man, I usually don't subscribe to anybody... but your channel... damn, it's just awesome! BIG SUB/LIKE from CMK!
This is awesome, deserves way more views
8:52 i want this outro back but longer
Do not worry about us COBOL programmers. We have a job forever.
David, I want to start learning Cobol from scratches,any online program recommended? How much time do you think I need to learn Cobol programming?Or should I learn Java? Thank you.
@@bellaocchiazzurri Udemy
Kinda impressive that someone your age is able to make this
What's his age?
@@otesunki From the sound of his voice, pretty young
@@otesunki I'll be 18 in 2 months. I made this when I was 16.
First Cobollator
(Ur vids are great, i like esolangs and you present them in a great way)
Thanks!
I like your videos.
You should make a tutorial series on COBOL.
I thought vb syntax is long and redundant, now compared to COBOL, it's great...
It should be pointed out that "greater than", "less than" and "equal to" can be replaced by ">", "
I knew that, but I used fully written out words because of COBOL's English-based design.
@@Truttle1 Most COBOL programmers still used more concise things especially for compares and don't write out the word picture for definitions either.
That way it is not cobolonic enough :)
I used to have no idea why there was an idea in society that programming is hard. I think I understand now…
So my internet stop for a momment and i thought he used that classic akward silence on 1:23
Talk about perfect timing
Learnt COBOL at university. Burnt the COBOL books as soon as I passed all exams. I would rather shoot my foot than writing programs in COBOL again, even if they are games.
Gonna guess that the tables are a lot more like tables on a spreadsheet than an array as one might know it in other languages, which would mostly explain them being odd.
I'm not sure if the government is still recruiting cobol developers but after this video I'm kind of hesitant as cobol seems harder to learn :D
Harder to learn means fewer applicants you compete with. Every single 12 year old with a keyboard seems to know Python
@@TraceguyRune yeah, I put it on hold , nowadays the trend is AI and python so it is hard to stick to something since python has wide use on AI
I'm working on a graphical Cobol Tetris using AcuCobol right now
Warning... an armature writing in COBOL poorly. :) For example: 'If a is greater than zero' can be coded as 'if a > 0' and who uses 'a' or 'ctr1' as variable name? It can be self-documenting if you write as if someone else is to support it. I seen programmers looking at an older C++/Java, etc. code and giving up and just rewrites it. Just because one can write in the fewest lines possible doesn't mean one should. Think of your fellow programmer... It is not about the language syntax, it is about the compiler...
Average age of Cobol programmers is 55+, yet the majority of business transactions rely on it. Just imagine there's gonna be a huge shortage soon and Cobol is gonna resurrect. Godspeed for anyone who has to use this.
Not really. The programs work fine so they will only ask for Cobol programmers when things go wrong. And they're going to ask for volinteers to work way below market prices. And then they will go ohnopikachuface when nobody comes to help out.
@@ImperatorZed I have family members who do COBOL. Things go wrong everyday and they write COBOL day after day.
More people are probably using COBOL and don't know it. Several of the largest banks still use it for their bank processing. You may have a nice phone app for your banking but behind it is probably COBOL or CICS. Same with several large insurance companies and government from federal and level down that still use it.
Without Cobol,Europeans would have to learn Russian. The fire control system of the K9 Thunder is written in Cobol.Europe can't make its own ones as it has no technology, so has to buy thousands of Korean ones. Maybe the K2 is also written in Cobol.
I've been binge watching these videos I love them so much XDD
I am currently learning COBOL in a program right now. Is there any websites you would suggest for hands on use for commands?
Udemy
I've read that GNU COBOL supports graphics but it has to be linked to a library such as Tk or GTK+.
a COBOL instructor who sounds like the late great Gilbert Gottfried. I have to watch this
I sound like the Aladdin parrot?
We need COBOL DOOM.
I know cobol, assembly and js... and i got nowhere in life... still fun to code with
Making a game in cobol might be a good way to practice cobol, but not such a good way at making a game
right now there is a strong industry shortage of new people who know cobol, so there's some very high paying positions out there
with how much you're annoyed at COBOL wanting to be different.
Have you ever tried python?
Cobol is literally just an ancient elven language
I'm gladly you used COBOL, so i don't need to.
hi :D
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To be fair, none of this is really the fault of COBOL. It is what you get for trying to shoehorn visual display code into a language that was never designed for it (CICS is sort of a visual thing, but not graphical and worked only with special terminals or terminal software). You would have the same issue if you tried to take any language and keep shoving and pushing until it worked like an entirely different language.
i very very love cobol ， cobol is the number one
I don’t think a language designed after LISP can use its age as an excuse. However, according to Jean E. Sammet, the woman who chaired two of the committees that designed COBOL, they deliberately decided to make everything different from how IBM did it. So that’s why everything is so unique.
Proper games programmers use data orientated programming for speed and not object orientated programming which is very cache unfriendly.
You should make a compiler
COBOL is alright... As long as you stick to handling data and don't attempt to for example create GUIs with it. That would be like eating with a screw diver.
question for you:
1959 was that still in the 1950s ?
and why was it called COBOL 60 ? (rather than COBOL 59)
Cobol was invented and used in the late 1950s, but it wasn’t standardized until COBOL 60.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think I saw something saying the original specification 1959 was just COBOL and in 1960 you got COBOL 60
Object Oriented has always existed in Assembly and C in one form or another.
Surprised you didn’t bounce at a supplementary angle and conserve momentum. :)
How hard do you think it is to make a BF interpreter but with graphics?
the interpreter, not very, but the program, hard.
COBOL...the reason why old retailers' code bases are so bloated (Walmart writes all of their z/OS and System i software in COBOL).
I think you will bank a lot of money if you make a cobol course right now. It is boring but they are looking for devs right now
I'm don't think I'm knowledgeable enough on COBOL to do that. I just like messing around with it from time to time.
@@Truttle1 you dont have to be an advanced dev to do a course. Most courses are done by people who just know a bit more than the average person...plus I think your style keep things entertaining and fun. I actually learned a bunch of things about COBOL from your vids. Trust me people will show up I know I will. Just think about it. :)
@@Truttle1 plus sometimes you just have to be the first
Can I link here another video of game written in COBOL?
sure
Only a short video, without audio.
ua-cam.com/video/D2K0A9aICOw/v-deo.html
Where can I download the code for this?
_“Co-Ball”_
Is Cobol a pain to use?
Did you intentionally call Microsoft Satan at 8:46?
Yes
but can you make a crysis3 game using cobol?
Now recreate minecraft with cobol
Is there a programming language out there using the elements of the periodic table? If this == true :
I would like to have a video about it.
Else:
MAKE ONE!!!!
Great video
Can you please do half-broken car in heavy traffic
Merry COBOL btw
This is the second request I got for "half broken car in heavy traffic"...
@@Truttle1 and i made the first one
Visual... COBOL... ?????
Victor Tran Yes
Also it seems you have become the Windows Insider error screen
@@Truttle1 Didn't realise that when I made this pic two years ago HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@Truttle1 just realised that haha
You really don't need OOP to write games, or anything else. Really. You think the assembler the original Breakout was written in was object orientated?
Yeah, I don't think a single game pre 1990s was OOP. Maybe even pre 2000s.
I did it with standard cobol.
5:39 Why you type "BallX is greater then pictureBox1::Location::X" 2 times?
and i love cobol. I like some "WEIRD LANGUAGE" xd
I actually never noticed that mistake
@@Truttle1 Lol xd
You don't need it to be an object oriented programming lang to create a game.
Soooo cobol is an esoteric language...
It's just old and outdated. Esolangs are intentionally made weird, while COBOL was designed to be practical for the time.
It depends how you're using it...
The government wants to know your location
milky way
🕹who loves nostalgic video games?
Awesome video concept! Keep it up i will become a famous youtuber
Why does a language need to be object orientated to make games!?
Eu si divirto
Bring back turtleventures
no thanks
the moment you said arrays start with 1 i wanted to vomit !
Claims of don't support graphics?
Oh FFS! .. Dump to binary files etc
why
ping spoofing
COBOL = talk
Love watching stupid and terrible ideas!
big kek
"Cobol isn't OOP-supported so what's the point in making a game with COBOL?"
"And also graphics isn't supported so how can you make a game in it?"
*Laughs in Python*
python has pygame for games, which I used before
@@lilspelunker5613 you proved me even more, there's even OpenGL and Turtle
COBOL is just like matlab
annoying
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