Jagdpanther vs Tortoise | 8.8cm Pzgr 39/43 | Armor Penetration Simulation
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- Simulation of a projectile hitting the frontal armor of the superstructure of the A39 Tortoise vehicle from the gun of the Jagdpanther tank destroyer.
8.8cm Pzgr 39/43 (10.4kg APCBC projectile) at 970 m/s
Vs
152mm cast armor at 44 degrees.
8.8cm KwK 43 gun muzzle velocity (APCBC) - 1000 m/s. 970 m/s refers to a distance of approximately 0.3 km. - Наука та технологія
significant emotional event type of situation
Fanciest way to say "bruh moment"
@@kekersdevI bet that this was a reference to Chieftain when he spoke of the odds of defending your vehicle with a 50cal against a plane diving at you...
@@edi9892 ohh.. right
wow your so funny no one has ever said that before. It was funny the first two hundred times. Now it just shows you can not think for yourself
@ganndeber1621 wow sorry, my unoriginality was not aimed at offending you
We need more AP simulations. 90% of all Simulation are either 75mm or 88mm Pzgr. 39 APC shells 😂
probably so
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 But I think a 75mm Pzgr.39 explosion of the tiny filler would make some interesting simulation :3
Just to see what effect it has on the shell, if any.
@@kimjanek646cute konater pfp!!!
@@hello-rq8kf thx :3
I always love it when you include the thin plate to visualize fragments. the armor stopped it this time but I wouldn't want to be behind the impact site.
"Nigel...did you hear something?"
"Dont mind that, just Jerry trying to distract us from our tea."
Nah bro they deaf after that Hit...you know how loud two metal sticks are when you crack them together? Its literally a hollow metal Box being Hit with something traveling at almost 1000m/s...shits Hella loud
Weren't all Tortoise prototypes made with soft steel? How much of a difference would that make?
Apparently, reducing the hardness from 280BHN to 250BHN reduced cracking and met the standards, this is a typical hardness for thicker armor plates
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 soft construction steel is probably less than 100
@@tedarcher9120 I meant they weren't soft. Test firing was carried out at the superstructure.
cast metal is very abrasive to anything trying to cut through it
No, of the 7 made only No.1 (the one that remains today) used soft steel, 2-6 all used proper armour grade steel.
"we couldn't penetrate their armour!"
"We didn't even scratch them!"
"It bounced right off"
What about 128 vs torte.
I recently saw a picture of a Sherman with another Sherman's frontal plate welded on top of its own, sort of like a jumbo but super pershing style. Could you model a jagdpanther going up against that armor array?
That's hilarious. Field modifications are wild.
wonder if the tank got hit so they just welded another plate over it
Great sim!
Hi Dejmian, I have a proposal for a simulation:
Latewar M4A3 76s typically had wet ammunitions stowage which would shield the ammo from spalling and would extinguish fires caused by any ammo.
The latter part would be difficult to model but would it be possible to model the former?
Proposal:
German 7.5 cm Pzgr 39/42 vs the UFP of an M4A3 (2.5 inches sloped at 47 degrees with a 6mm or 12.7mm plate located near the bottom of the simulation to represent the side of the aforementioned bin)
Anyways, have a good day!
You say to see if the ammunition stowage can be penetrated? I guess it will be closer to the side armor. The question is, what thickness, 12 or 6?
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 I’ve looked over blueprints, modeling forums, and video game forums, and I do not know if it even is either 6 or 12.7mms in thickness so i guess I wasted your time with that. Sorry!
Does this type of damage only have a very localised effect on the armour or would it structurally weaken a wider area?
If the armor is of good quality, the weakened zone is the deformation zone, i.e. the one with a different color than the dark blue in the deformation visualization. Although an impact nearby may "reach" this area as the material is more easily pushed there
Are the indentations on the beige board spall? If so, that's a clever way to work around heavy video compression erasing all the little flying bits. (Is it a witness board or part of the structure?)
Witness board
Would you be able to replicate an APFSDS round of the same caliber? An 88mm DU penetrator for fun. A scaled up DU penetrator against standard armor like this?
yo are you using ansys student or ansys LSDYNA student? or the paid version?
Every time I see these videos, I think how did they fix the armor after an assault? It looks like the armor is significantly compromised even if the shell didn't penetrate.
Idea: iron. human skull at 2k per hour vs 90mm stell plate
How much does this differ to the Tiger II's front plate? (152mm cast vs 150mm RHA)
Five degrees of armor slope will make a bigger difference, although it is known that cast armor is 5-10% worse than rha
when you say high strain rates? how high? is this measured in time? and if so how fast?
the unit is 1/s (strain per time), in the case of penetration, armor reaches several hundred thousand, but the phenomenon also occurs in less extreme conditions, for example during machining
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 If possible are you able to give an explanation of how this strain rate works to affect armour penetration? if its possible to have a higher or lower strain rate than the 100.00 1/s you stated; what would be the effects?
Oh and also does this strain rate change depending on the material?
@@theallmightyego6756 I changed this value to something less specific, because in fact there are areas with a value of 20,000, and somewhere near the tip of the projectile there are indications of 400,000. Besides, these are values from one point in time. More energy, higher strain rate. At the end of penetration the values are lower. It also depends on the material.
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 so is the strain rate you set just a reference? if I say- set that strain rate to something like 1 second how much would that change?
@@theallmightyego6756 I didn't get the point. strain rate is the result, if a material particle deforms by 50% in 1 second, the strain rate is 0.5 1/s
Maybe comparison blunt vs pointy forward part of penetrator?
Bob Semple’s main turbo laser bs tiger 2
Very cool simulation, I like watching simulations. I make science videos too! Want to see them?
Could you do a simulation similar to your Simulation vs Reality test (ua-cam.com/video/rIpCDoYMQU8/v-deo.html) but make the inside or exit edge of the armor vertical 90 degrees compared to the projectile impact, still keeping the impact edge sloped? IE, the profile of the armor looks like a right triangle with the penetrator impacting the hypotenuse. People keep claiming that APFSDS normalizes against sloped armor, but its my understanding that this is not true and that what they are seeing is adiabatic shear bands creating a path of least resistance which is parallel to the inside edge of the armor plate. It just happens that armor plates typically have inside edges that are parallel to the impact edge. On second thought it might be an even better demonstration of this effect if the inside edge was reverse sloped compared to the outer edge so that the penetrator would actually curve upwards instead of downwards like it did in your original test.
if people actually think this way, then making a video like this would be important
“Ow, me fokin’ ears”
“Don’t worry chaps, we’ll just fill in that crater with concrete and the Major will never know!”
Next 203mm pion H3 shell vs m1a1 or t90m tank :D
How about the same test with a jadgtiger?
Already done
Didn’t… maybe it was another channel but I could’ve sworn we’ve seen “king tiger vs tortoise” and they have the same gun don’t they? If this is the same channel then… what’s up with the repeats?
It didn't appear on my channel. I don't watch others. However, I have seen such a simulation in a shorts complication. For one very specific reason, I didn't like it, so I made a version consistent with my knowledge.
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 fair enough
Tutel stands unscathed
Good old Tortoise!
Do you use Catia V5 ?
Ansys
That witness plate tho lol
“ hit “
How to do these😢
what engine or software are you using?
Ansys
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 i legit thought i had to comment on multiple vids to get u to respond, thank u for not being like other npc creators
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 which specific version of ansys?
now fire a macron particle at maximum sim speed or 1 million m/s
"Der ging nicht durch."
tutel
WT moment 😂
I don't think a tortoise is a turtle though, it's a different species
@@nilakalis854 tortel 😃
Looks like someone got a non pen in war thunder
Great ! It seems like the crew is hurt ?
No
Driver or radio operator behind that plate is Kaput.
Bit of spalling. Not devastating but if someone is sitting directly behind of that
can potentially get some injuries
The Tank Crew has achieved "Brown Alert" status...
Bro imagine a game with armor physics like this☠️
It already exists, it's called War Thunder
@@WALKMAN_RIDER if warthunder's ballistics were anywhere near a genuine simulation people might actually stop hating the game. if you want something with 'realistic' pen, go play GHPC
@@griffy07 actually I don't want something, and please stop hating the WT sim, just try it out with the newer uptades for yourself.
@@WALKMAN_RIDER dude i have like 2k hours in warthunder. it is closer to an arcade game for kids than a genuine simulator. optics do not magically eat apfsds. hesh should kill helis. etc.
@@griffy07 i have almost 400 hours but ok, exclusively in those especific situations, the ballistics in WT lacks precision, all the rest works just fine, btw you are talking about modern era which is mostly classified and is almost impossible to be 100% realistic simulated, all the simulation you see here about composite armour is basically just assumption of the real ballistics and reaction of the armor, unlike the ww2 era of the game wich is almost the same as predicted in much sim's here in YT, just like the video we are seeing...
Personally i dont like high br for a couple of reasons but, the low br is pure gold, you know it and you are doing a great disservice for the community with your own frustration.
The pants of the crew were brown though
T-80BVM simulation when :(
Vs?
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 M829A3
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 m109 direct hit
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 m109 or pzh 2000 direct hit
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Challenger 2, we never seem him
I like turtles
Very unexpected.
its 152mm on a basically 45 slope, thats a lot of straight line thickness.
It also had a crazy APDS round. Punches clean through Jagdtiger UFP
Day 1 of suggesting a solid shot Sturmtiger shell vs tank armour
Ueine Simulation eines Javelins gegen einen T-90M
iwh476
What about russian BS-3 100mm gun?
vs. Tortoise, or whatever?
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 same plate. They have the same penetration but 100mm should be better at plugging
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174yes, vs tortoise. Ammo BR-412B
@@tedarcher9120 I have a problem with Russian 100 and 122. I have the impression that the quality of World War II shells was significantly different from post-war ones. I have the 100mm BR-412B hardness scheme and it does not match the effects of shooting with the 100 and 122, which show that the front half of the shell disappears during penetration even in not very demanding conditions. This is more in line with the low shell hardening indicated by the Americans for 76 and 85 mm.
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 I think OP is asking for the BR-412D.
So are you saying that WW2 85mm wouldn’t be able to penetrate a Tigers front armor due to insufficient hardening? 😄
I’m guessing that the quality just varied with the factory producing them.
During WW2 they were probably more worried about producing enough ammo rather than considering the quality.
British tech too strong. F 🐺🐺🐺🐺
post war
Yeah your bri'ish phantasy tank did great lol
@@BesoffenerIslamist TBF the number of wars it lost is 0 (zero), so that's already much better than many other tanks :^)
Try the long 10.5 mm from the Tiger 2
The Tiger II had the same gun as the Jagdpanther, it never had a 105mm gun
@@idontlikecommunists9677 Of course there was a 10.5 cm version in the tiger 2. Jagdpanther existed too with a 10.5cm
@@Warrior-14 do you have any proof outside of war thunder or world of tanks? Because in reality, the proposal to equip the tiger II with a 105mm gun was scrapped and never got off paper due to the amount of space it would've taken up in the turret and the necessity for a second loader which would've crammed the crew up with absolutely no space to move or perform their duties, and the Jagdpanther also never had a 105mm gun most likely for a similar reason. Both tanks used the PAK 43 8.8cm 71 caliber gun
@@idontlikecommunists9677 Jagdpanther would also suffer from even greater stress on the frontal parts of the suspension, which was already a problem
@@racernatorde5318 yeah that too, both tanks would have to deal with an increase in the weight of the gun and ammunition for it, but this guy hasn't responded for 2 days so it's pretty clear I won and he has no arguments
All that armor and the driver is still most likely incapacitated if in the wrong place.
To be fair, 300 meters away and with no side angle is basically a worse case scenario for the armor. Actual combat is rarely so favorable to the attacker.
Are we going to see a simulation based on the new armor pic of the US recovery vehicle from Ukraine
I was thinking about it. It will appear in some form to minimize guesswork about missing data
tfw in warthunder I am pretty sure it would have blown straight through.
Complete penetration at 990-1000m/s occurs for 130mm according to German and American tests.
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 yeah I just know that in WT the long 88 seems to perforate armor that in real life it would struggle to go through. IIRC I have seen the king tiger regularly punch a shell through the front of the tortoise in Warthunder with the bursting charge intact still somehow.
this is at ranges of like 600 meters in game so its just gaijin doing a terrible job at penetration values and being unwilling to nerf a faction that pays the most in premiums.
@@dominuslogik484 i never succeded at penetrating with a King Tiger. You just biased against a faction.
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