None of these states have any rights there. The shoals, reefs and islets bear an English name and were largely charted by Richard Spratly 1802-1870, therefore, they belong to us. We should put a stop to their nonsense by passing an act through Parliament declaring the shoals to be a World Park.
It will never cease to amaze me that a nation so heavily invested in fishing would actively destroy dozens of coral reefs...and then be SHOCKED that the fish disappear.
They aren't shocked, they just invade another country's waters and keep fishing. Especially by Africa and South Korea. Not terribly different than other countries, but on a scale few can match
At this point, their fishing fleets invade the economic zones of other nations and do what they did in their own waters. The Navies and Coast Guards of the Pacific, when spotting Chinese fishing trawlers, ought to just arrest the crews and scuttle the boats. The Chinese giving us ready to sink artificial reefs? That'd be amazing.
We need to stop calling the sea that is south of the coast of China the "South China Sea." That name for it keeps giving imperial expansionists in China the wrong idea about that body of water. Looking at the map it is quite obvious this is in fact the South East Asia sea - which also gives it a cute acronym. The SEA sea.
China claims these islands based on some dubious old maps and texts. Based on this idea, imagine what the British or French could claim based on maps of 100 - 200 years ago.
More like modern France making legal claims based on what Vichy France put together. They're simultaneously disovowing the existence of said government while also waving around a document that government wrote 🤦♂️
China never had those old maps. China’s oldest maps of the South China Sea were based on hearsay or on old Spanish maps, which, if we accept the Philippines as the successor state to the Spanish colony that made those maps, actually buttress the Philippine claim more than China’s.
@danielch6662 way to miss the point. France still owns a couple of islands near newfoundland, but they're not trying to reclaim all of all of Atlantic Canada and a third of the US which they actually controlled a few centuries ago
the Dutch are the best in the world at it, but do even the Dutch go for building islands? It seems to me that China is attempting a much more ambitious task with a much lower level of engineering/construction expertise.
@@S0ulinth3machin3 They build more than an island, they build an entire province through land reclamation. Look up the origins of the Dutch province Flevoland.
@@arjanzweers6542 an island is different. Have to stop the water from all sides. Reclaiming land is less fraught, only need to worry about the sea from one side.
@@arjanzweers6542 there's a difference between a Dutch company being hired to do a job and the Netherlands, the nation, deciding that a project is a good idea. The Dutch people don't make islands for their own nation. That speaks for itself.
Malaysian here. China's absurd claims have absolutely nothing concrete to stick to. Their biggest argument in court was that the Old Chinese under Qing Dynasty have trading relations in South China Sea, as well as immigration to the ASEAN nations around the region (that were all under french, british and netherlands colony btw). Not even a single Chinese person is proven to have settled down in the Paracels or Spratlys, so how on earth is ethnic immigration a concrete proof that the waters should be under china's sovereign territory? The only real reason China wants this massive territory is because it is an extremely strategic resources reserve, as well as a powerful tool that may be used to control the lion's share of global trade and maritime security. The key for China to massively overtake the US is not Taiwan, not Korea or Japan, not Russia, but the South China Sea and the adjacent Strait of Malacca itself.
It's why they want Taiwan too ... Maritime trade access and control. Taiwan itself is essentially useless to China ... Besides the Semiconductor factories and all the missiles on the island pointed at the Three Gorges Dam
1:20 - Mid roll ads 2:20 - Chapter 1 - Significance of the south china sea 3:55 - Chapter 2 - The spratly islands dispute 6:50 - Chapter 3 - The dispute begins 11:30 - Chapter 4 - Construction of the islands 15:35 - Chapter 5 - Problems
@@keeshoogendoorn6241A common term from China describing shoddy construction work made with cheap building materials (such as replacing concrete with sand, clay or styrofoam, and steel rebar with soft iron you can bend with your hand) on account of their weak regulations. A former Chinese official decried the practice and popularized the term tofu dredge because of how the cheap concrete had a tendency to break off in little clumps like the dredges left behind as you cooked tofu. It’s now used as a blanket term to describe all forms of subpar, rushed, deceptive and/or scam construction and manufacturing.
China torpedoed themselves in the foot. Even though China does not seem to take responsibility for the attack, Winnie the Pooh continues to look disappointed.
@@Joedaniels007 Literally no-one thinks 1940s era KMT were good or competent. If they weren't such a disorganised mess, they never would have fallen to the disorganised band of war dodging, cowardly provincial bandits led by Mao.
The ASEAN countries didn’t want to take a stance and choose between US China rivalry, but China just made it so easy for them buy claiming their waters as their own
Its also difficult when they both import and export stuff from China. Even Australia struggles to balance it. Just like how Mexico tries to avoid really ticking off the USA, the backlash isn't worth it
The Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal were originally surveyed by the Spanish Empire and were ceded to the US along with the rest of the Philippine Archipelago under the 1898 Treaty of Paris and the 1900 Treaty of Washington after the Spanish-American War. The ultimate official map of the Philippines under Spain, The 1875 Carta General del Archiepelago Filipino that was included in the Treaties became the official map of the country under the US. These islands were then surrendered by the US to the Philippines upon its independence in 1946.
While i believe we end up on the same side of the fence on this issue, as a matter of self awareness. You are aware that you are starting the history of this issue with colonialism? This is precisely the source of the Chinese argument, they are saying that their history and claim here goes further than oppression. If we want to make legitimate and sound arguments they cant be built upon a faulty base, or the entire argument will sink much like these islands.
@ Facts are still facts. It doesn’t matter that the Philippines was a colony at that time. Being a colony even bolsters the claim under Uti possidetis juris. Uti possidetis juris or uti possidetis iuris (Latin for "as [you] possess under law") is a principle of international law which provides that newly formed sovereign states should retain the internal borders that their preceding dependent area had before their independence. China’s claims aren’t even supported by evidence. The Philippines proved its claims in the Permanent Court of Arbitration not only by presenting evidence of its claims but also by disproving China’s claims using official maps and documents published by the Chinese government itself. Ultimately, all of the Historical Evidence has already been superseded by UNCLOS, of which China is a signatory. Unfortunately, China only cherry-picks the provisions that favor them and ignores everything else.
So china is raising climate with the majority of air pollution in the world coming from china which is destroying their TEMU islands (and coastal water claims) , keep it up china you're playing yourself.
For one, “made in China”was a symbolic of luxury for millennia. So much so that the whole 600 years of western countries pushed from barbarism to civilization all stemming from their zest for her goods. As for recent economic shuffle, China had to start from the very bottom after its wealth got robbed by western countries from 1939 to 1949 and then blockade by the Americans until 1971. China is back on its historical pedestal rightfully.
What China has failed to accept is that just because it's called the 'China Sea', doesn't mean it actually belongs to China. Common convention allows a nation 12 miles from it's coastline (I think I have that right). Later int'l negotiations extended a nations exclusive economic zone (EEZ) out to 100 miles (again, ITIHTR). Anything else is int'l waters.
Thing is... PRChina isn't a signatory of any of the international treaties that set up those delineations. In their eyes they are not beholden to it. The US also is not a signatory of said international treaties that establish such delineations...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 I agree with you on US. Although in many cases, including this I think, though they haven't signed due to details they still observe most of the terms.
Cities on "solid ground" slowly sink under the weight. NYC sinks 1-2 mm a year. So of course a bunch of islands made up of loose soil with stuff piled on them are going to sink even faster. Waves and storms are also going to do a number on them.
@@avgjoe5969 It happens to volcanic islands as well. Once the plate moves, the hot spot of the volcano stays in the same place. The old island slowly sinks and a new one is created when the eruptions start again. Only thing holding it up is the lava pressure lifting the plate
Mangroves in many places form the actual coastline. But people think they’re kinda yucky. So we get rid of them. And then we discover as we’re sinking with the” I’m not an island anymore” that the fish populations are going to hell in a handbasket because there is nowhere for baby fish to grow up.
If I went on to my Neighbours farm and built a small hut and lived there, it wouldn't change the actual ownership of the property. Isn't this what China did too?
if your neighbour is not exercising his right to be on the property, most countries actually have ways to make property change hands. Established facts work very well. Its how Taiwan is free today for example
Actually it's the Chinese saying the region is theirs because their greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat granddad left a dump on an island that didn't exist at the time.
There's a reason why we in Denmark not only use massive boulders on our artificial islands, but also go above and beyond with planting and maintaining ecosystems on the islands, as well as always attempting to improve existing ecosystems in the seas surrounding the islands. Our seas are absolutely not as rough as the South China Sea in a heavy storm, but even calm seas can quickly dissolve an artificial island if nothing is done to protect it against the waves. With the majority of Denmark being made of dirt, sand, clay and other soluble materials, we know first hand that without vegetation and wavebreakers, there is nothing to save you from the fury of the waves.
Well, as they say in the proverbs: "If the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sunken Nuclear submarine cannot go to the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sinking Island, then the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sinking Island must go to the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sunken Nuclear submarine.
@@jacob4920 I feel like this depends very much on the commander who runs the actual island garrison. There isn't actually anything to do other than "be present". A laid back commander could let his men just relax on the beach when not on duty. Or go swimming. Malaysia has a literal diving resort on its island. If you're from cold north China, would you not like your 2 year in the army to be spent on a tropical island? Even if you had to train and exercise all the time, I imagine doing so on a tropical island has got to be nicer than in the frozen north next to Siberia.
The Gulf States already know that if you make sand islands, they just fade away. "The World" group of sand islands, off the coast of the United Arab Emirates, are nearly gone. The Dutch warned Dubai on how to fend back the tide. That was 30 years ago.
And this is the main reason why the Barbie movie was so controversial in China… Is there anything they could do to prevent their man-made islands from being reclaimed by the ocean?
@@morsumbra9692 Imagine if all these sponsors were actually used by the UA-camrs advertising them, they would cost the UA-camrs about £1,000-£10,000 a month.
Emotional damage®.. totally inappropriate. So glad you created that thread, I would have revisitted this video's comment section over and over to find an occasion to point that Out. Just finished deleting all of my past comments... Ahhhh advertising .. what 's it done to my mind... I was to never leave commentary on UA-cam again
Yes China, great idea to place saturated clays and uncompacted sands as "islands" in tidally dominated areas, and building on them instantly without letting the sediments consolidate. The Corps of Engineers and Seabees are why we win any scenario anyone brings up
China’s own military analysts have said the islands would be useless in any armed conflict. Too hard to resupply and lacking any natural cover the structures would be pummelled into the sea
all these artificial islands that China built are within range of the US Typhon MRC that is deployed in the Philippines. China has demanded it be removed but the US & PHL is standing firm.
@ I think the 2 examples you have provided might have an edge in the ability of the defending force to resupply in comparison to China’s manmade islands far far from resupply points
Both Vietnam and China have historical claims over Nansha islands since 17th century. Vietnam started occupying these islands in 1974 building structures, ports and even runways from that date onwards. Malaysia started reclaiming Layang Layang in 1980. China started to reclaim these islands in the South China Sea in 2013 as a response to the aggressive land reclamations by both Vietnam and Malaysia. Not the other way around.
I remember hearing about their artificial islands sinking years ago. Good to know they haven’t sorted it out and are still just as clueless as they were before 😂
there have been reports of the islands sinking since they were first built. Yet here they still are. Just like the Gordon Chang impending collapse of China, coming to you since 1990.
The half assed promotion for gamerspiss took me completely by surprise. Oh wait, did I read their product name incorrectly, never mind, let's go with it.
love how chinas claim is based on a map they drew. If I draw a map of my property line in crayons, showing it covering my neighbors land - is that a legally valid claim?
The Hague court should have handed the SCS claims back to Taiwan, since Taiwan is still the legitimate government of china, and it was the Nationalist government (currently in exile in Taipei) that came up with the 9 dash lines.
Why not hand all of mainland China back as well? After all, the PRC came into existence via a revolution and civil war. It was not done legally thorough the law in existence in the land at the time. Hmmm ... what other country came into being in this way ... I wonder .... 🤔
China and Taiwan have exactly the same claims. However, ITLOS judged that none of the features China/Taiwan claimed were actual “islands” hence none could generate territorial seas, and as such are inferior to the Philippines’ EEZ claim which is 200nm from the Philippine landmass.
@ agree. Taiwan can say that the 9/11 Dash Lines were KMT positions that modern Taiwan doesn’t adhere to anymore, and that Taiwan adheres to the ITLOS decision that the South China Sea features that Taiwan occupies are not considered islands and do not generate their own 12nm territorial sea nor a 200nm EEZ.
See this is a good example of survivorship bias. But on a level way beyond the normal "omg old school appliances were built so much better, my aunt's dryer is 45 years old and going strong! (ignores that it's the 1% of that model still in operation)". With natural islands, you see the ones that happened to be durable. You DON'T see the other ones. And the ones that are durable tend to be REALLY durable. Good luck matching that by piling a bunch of debris.
@@DoctorMandible Jokes aside, I was not familiar with that work. I have a philosophy degree and it looks like it could have fit nicely into the curriculum.
I get what you are saying, on the other hand, given the prevalence of the old school appliance were better stories perhaps there is something to it. I certainly know in my experience that has been the case.
China's strategy in their claims to the South China Sea seems to be modeled after a bratty child calling dibs on a cake by dipping his finger with saliva and smearing the cake with it.
Here in Brevard County Florida there is a town named Viera and in this town developers decided it would be a brilliant idea to use a lot and then a lot more fill dirt in a swampy area; a place cattle ranchers did not use because of the environment. Then people bought the prebuild houses and others build their own to spec; these houses cost close to a million dollars and now the swamp is starting to reclaim what is it's, houses are sinking, just as us Floridians tried to warn people of. The samething applies to China or any other Country; fu ck around with mother nature and a lesson with be found out eventually, History has proven this over and over.
By UN definition, they aren't technically islands. Edit 1: China signed and ratified UNCLOS. That's where the definition is. The USA has never signed nor ratified UNCLOS. In fact, most of the "ignored" UN decisions by the USA are on parts of the UN not ratified by the USA.
Does China not have any geologist? A simple study of the plate tectonics in the region could have told them this was a bad idea. One large tsunami and all the man made islands are gone.
Unfortunately the islands were NOT dredged up 'out of thin air'. They were dredged up from tens of thousands of years of coral and maritime habitat. They killed thousands of giant clams that Filipino scientists had patiently seeded to try to preserve that endangered species. The silt and sand destroyed massive psi feeding grounds and unique maritime habitat. The whole situation is a tragedy.
Few things: You named Taipei as an important port and not Kaohsiung. Kaohsiung is bigger and more important. The South China Sea is known by other names depending where you're standing geographically. This wasn't mentioned.
An informative introduction video about artificial Chinese islands inside the south China sea .... China is always neglecting nature powers through constructions it's economic planning and projects
Chinese defensive policy has not changed much in 2,200 years: acquire/claim territory, assert sovereignty over said territory by fortifying it. Whether by a Great Wall, or by island construction, the principles are the same--build a citadel.
You want those islands to go away? The USS New Jersey, BB 62 has made an island disappear before, at one sixth the cost of a new CVN, she could be reactivated and used for geographic modification.
So... Did you ignore the part where as part of that ship's permanent retirement the engines and boilers are deliberately tampered so that it won't be fired again?
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 No, they're not tampered, they are sealed and not allowed to be touched under the Museum contract. They also have no fuel and the steam lines need to be inspected. The Curator and other experts estimate 2 years and 2 billion dollars to reactivate her, less than one sixth the cost of a single Carrier.
It's my understanding that Japan also has man-made islands, which are also experiencing subsidence and water incursions through their surface. Nobody has any business doing this in the first place given all of the known drawbacks. If nothing else the cost to ecosystems is far greater than any benefits that could ever be realized. That lesson should have been learned from shortcomings the UAE's overly ambitious projects.
Happy thanksgiving, Simon! Im thankful for your unbiased, well researched coverage of world events. And for all your other channels that stave of boredom and insanity!
I don't know, Simon. Even if the islands sink and the infrastructure falls apart, I don't think that matters too much. Sure, the military aspects are important, but what I think really matters to the PRC is the claim to the island, which doesn't change if the runway develops cracks.
you completely forgot to report... WHY... it is important to control that area. Will a tax be imposed on ships passing through?> will trade be denied to certain countries?> You just leave it dangling. Who, what, where, when and why. this was covered in school.
It won't take more than a couple of good earthquakes for those islands to fall apart. Building land out of dredge spoil is like trying to stack golf balls if you don't dry it out first.
The war channel whose advertisers are gamer supps, is just somewhat hilarious lol. "Anyways drones are blowing up military soldiers, now would you like some guacamole farts from gamersupps?" 😂
Oil has been suspected to be existed in the Spratly Island for a long time, because oil was found in Brunei water in the late 19th century, subsequently Malaysia found oil in 1910, and oil was discovered on Vietnam continental shelf in the 1950s. The late 1970s to the 1990s the South China Sea was dubbed to be a possible next largest oil reserve after Saudi Arabia, hence the race for the control of area by all surrounding countries.
Too bad for china, CCP doesn't know or refuse to believe that the oil in that area is not enough to justify the staggering cost of drilling. That's how exploration works even with modern tech, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not there, sometimes it's there but the deposit is not enough for commercial exploitation. Rumors are the most promising area is the underwater massif with natural gas deposits but it's on the other side of the sea. An area east of northern Luzon. Seems like china was stealing the wrong side of the pond 😁 All their time and money spent for nothing 😁 Unless of course if they'll claim that area too belongs to them. Which they probably will or until the CCPs time runs out.
Haven't heard this history of the disputed sea before. Thanks for the video, I love how you explain things and you're always dressed well, loving the t-shirts ;)
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None of these states have any rights there. The shoals, reefs and islets bear an English name and were largely charted by Richard Spratly 1802-1870, therefore, they belong to us. We should put a stop to their nonsense by passing an act through Parliament declaring the shoals to be a World Park.
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it's probably warpath because i think there is an Online game with Warfronts in the name.
I liked the double error of "warparth" better
White is not your color Simon. Get yourself a tan or a more colorful shirt.
Never buy your islands from Temu.
Where else would you buy islands
@@JaKingScomez The Dutch. They are really good at telling to sea to feck off.
Yeah, buy it from Shein
Yall should have stuck to wish
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It will never cease to amaze me that a nation so heavily invested in fishing would actively destroy dozens of coral reefs...and then be SHOCKED that the fish disappear.
A nation that claims to be superior, dont forget!!! ;) In everything...
They aren't shocked, they just invade another country's waters and keep fishing. Especially by Africa and South Korea. Not terribly different than other countries, but on a scale few can match
At this point, their fishing fleets invade the economic zones of other nations and do what they did in their own waters.
The Navies and Coast Guards of the Pacific, when spotting Chinese fishing trawlers, ought to just arrest the crews and scuttle the boats. The Chinese giving us ready to sink artificial reefs? That'd be amazing.
The CCP erases all wisdom
This is the same Nation that lost millions to starvation due to starting a war..... With one single bird species.
Wait... You're telling me that giant piles of sand in the ocean aren't stable?!
who knew right??
Since you can´t violate the human rights of sand the CCP just doesn´t know what to do
Come on man, you just need a bit of water and it's basically a natural glue, stop being a hater. /s
@@JackSparrowTheCAPTAINno!! China should stop claiming seas that are not theirs
Quick someone tell Dubai before they wastes billions!!
We need to stop calling the sea that is south of the coast of China the "South China Sea." That name for it keeps giving imperial expansionists in China the wrong idea about that body of water.
Looking at the map it is quite obvious this is in fact the South East Asia sea - which also gives it a cute acronym. The SEA sea.
Philippines already has another name for it; the "West Philippine Sea"
@@boaoftheboaians West Philippine Sea only covers the Philippine EEZ, exclusive economic zone, not the whole South East Asia sea.
@@okamsugWell let’s make it cover the entire sea.
SEA Sea, I love that.
She sells SEA sea shells.
China claims these islands based on some dubious old maps and texts. Based on this idea, imagine what the British or French could claim based on maps of 100 - 200 years ago.
More like modern France making legal claims based on what Vichy France put together. They're simultaneously disovowing the existence of said government while also waving around a document that government wrote 🤦♂️
They are. Falklands, South Georgia, St Helena, Ascension, Tristan da Cunha, Pitcairn, Wallis, Futuna, Alofi.
China never had those old maps. China’s oldest maps of the South China Sea were based on hearsay or on old Spanish maps, which, if we accept the Philippines as the successor state to the Spanish colony that made those maps, actually buttress the Philippine claim more than China’s.
@@danielch6662the Falkland Islands voted to be British. The British don’t even want them.
@danielch6662 way to miss the point. France still owns a couple of islands near newfoundland, but they're not trying to reclaim all of all of Atlantic Canada and a third of the US which they actually controlled a few centuries ago
China learned a lesson here when it comes to land reclamation, if it isn't Dutch, it isn't much
the Dutch are the best in the world at it, but do even the Dutch go for building islands? It seems to me that China is attempting a much more ambitious task with a much lower level of engineering/construction expertise.
@@S0ulinth3machin3 They build more than an island, they build an entire province through land reclamation. Look up the origins of the Dutch province Flevoland.
@@arjanzweers6542 an island is different. Have to stop the water from all sides. Reclaiming land is less fraught, only need to worry about the sea from one side.
@S0ulinth3machin3 Yes, yes they do. The Dutch made a whole bunch of them for Dubai
@@arjanzweers6542 there's a difference between a Dutch company being hired to do a job and the Netherlands, the nation, deciding that a project is a good idea. The Dutch people don't make islands for their own nation. That speaks for itself.
This news warms my heart.
It warms the planet too
@@Atesz222 lol
Malaysian here. China's absurd claims have absolutely nothing concrete to stick to. Their biggest argument in court was that the Old Chinese under Qing Dynasty have trading relations in South China Sea, as well as immigration to the ASEAN nations around the region (that were all under french, british and netherlands colony btw). Not even a single Chinese person is proven to have settled down in the Paracels or Spratlys, so how on earth is ethnic immigration a concrete proof that the waters should be under china's sovereign territory?
The only real reason China wants this massive territory is because it is an extremely strategic resources reserve, as well as a powerful tool that may be used to control the lion's share of global trade and maritime security. The key for China to massively overtake the US is not Taiwan, not Korea or Japan, not Russia, but the South China Sea and the adjacent Strait of Malacca itself.
You actually spoke the truth.
This is the real reason china wants those territory.
It's why they want Taiwan too ... Maritime trade access and control. Taiwan itself is essentially useless to China ... Besides the Semiconductor factories and all the missiles on the island pointed at the Three Gorges Dam
I would even go with plain ole fish. Protein.
1:20 - Mid roll ads
2:20 - Chapter 1 - Significance of the south china sea
3:55 - Chapter 2 - The spratly islands dispute
6:50 - Chapter 3 - The dispute begins
11:30 - Chapter 4 - Construction of the islands
15:35 - Chapter 5 - Problems
I wish I read your comment before watching video. Usually Simon's aren't like that I don't think.
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Tofu Dreg islands?
Tof dredge?
The boys at China Fact Chasers would be proud
@@keeshoogendoorn6241A common term from China describing shoddy construction work made with cheap building materials (such as replacing concrete with sand, clay or styrofoam, and steel rebar with soft iron you can bend with your hand) on account of their weak regulations.
A former Chinese official decried the practice and popularized the term tofu dredge because of how the cheap concrete had a tendency to break off in little clumps like the dredges left behind as you cooked tofu. It’s now used as a blanket term to describe all forms of subpar, rushed, deceptive and/or scam construction and manufacturing.
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Tofu dreg country
Building your house on sand…bad idea. Putting military base on an ocean of sand …ridiculous.
Them the Netherlands must be very ridiculous because 20% of their landmass is reclaimed from the water.
I live in Florida. My house is built on sand…I should criticize.
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Yeah, not built on sand, skippy. Dumb comparison.
@ I don believe that the sea floor in the North Sea is less sandy than the sea floor in the Chinese Sea.
@ if the foundation of your house is properly done, you’re house should be safe.
China torpedoed themselves in the foot. Even though China does not seem to take responsibility for the attack, Winnie the Pooh continues to look disappointed.
Which attack?
What he asked ⬆️
@@fuzzyhair321 The torpedo attack that's sinking their Islands. Sounds like sabotage. Cue up the Beastie Boys please.
@@Kodakcompactdisc something something Bikini Atoll. What? Islands gone. Oh bother.
@@Varadiio bikini 🤤
The biggest problem they have with those islands they can't maintain them because mother nature has the final say.
Amen! if the glaciers, icecaps and perma-frost dont' get re-frozen- welcome to the human extinction event. party now . .
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@williamtomkiel8215 I would have to agree with you. As human beings we will regret our consequences
@@17SFC it's pretty unlikely we will go extinct. But a collapse of civilization with billions dying is definitely a strong possibility
Mother Nature has lost its Man’s planet now the only thing that can kill man is man
CCP: everything the KMT ever did was wrong.
Also CCP: This map the KMT made says we own it all.
do not forget modern KMT is basically CCP stooge they want reunification with China.
Liberals in the West: CCP bad and KMT good
Also Liberals in the West: that KMT map is not real
@@Joedaniels007 Literally no-one thinks 1940s era KMT were good or competent. If they weren't such a disorganised mess, they never would have fallen to the disorganised band of war dodging, cowardly provincial bandits led by Mao.
The ASEAN countries didn’t want to take a stance and choose between US China rivalry, but China just made it so easy for them buy claiming their waters as their own
Its also difficult when they both import and export stuff from China. Even Australia struggles to balance it. Just like how Mexico tries to avoid really ticking off the USA, the backlash isn't worth it
It's truly hilarious just how badly China miscalculated in this regard.
They saw how well it worked for Duterte. China doesn't have allies. Just vassals.
The Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal were originally surveyed by the Spanish Empire and were ceded to the US along with the rest of the Philippine Archipelago under the 1898 Treaty of Paris and the 1900 Treaty of Washington after the Spanish-American War. The ultimate official map of the Philippines under Spain, The 1875 Carta General del Archiepelago Filipino that was included in the Treaties became the official map of the country under the US.
These islands were then surrendered by the US to the Philippines upon its independence in 1946.
While i believe we end up on the same side of the fence on this issue, as a matter of self awareness. You are aware that you are starting the history of this issue with colonialism? This is precisely the source of the Chinese argument, they are saying that their history and claim here goes further than oppression. If we want to make legitimate and sound arguments they cant be built upon a faulty base, or the entire argument will sink much like these islands.
@ Facts are still facts. It doesn’t matter that the Philippines was a colony at that time. Being a colony even bolsters the claim under Uti possidetis juris.
Uti possidetis juris or uti possidetis iuris (Latin for "as [you] possess under law") is a principle of international law which provides that newly formed sovereign states should retain the internal borders that their preceding dependent area had before their independence.
China’s claims aren’t even supported by evidence. The Philippines proved its claims in the Permanent Court of Arbitration not only by presenting evidence of its claims but also by disproving China’s claims using official maps and documents published by the Chinese government itself.
Ultimately, all of the Historical Evidence has already been superseded by UNCLOS, of which China is a signatory. Unfortunately, China only cherry-picks the provisions that favor them and ignores everything else.
Earth: I don't like what china doing.
Based Earth
Earth can go screw itself
So china is raising climate with the majority of air pollution in the world coming from china which is destroying their TEMU islands (and coastal water claims) , keep it up china you're playing yourself.
@@Germain-ys8zzdang really try to Jack up those social credits?
@@timothylong3110 no I’m saying this is our planet to terraform how ever we see fit and that “Mother Nature” can go screw itself
Oh wow. China built something and it's falling apart now? gosh i sure have never heard that anywhere before. /sarcasm,
China. There's a reason you have the stereotypes regarding construction of literally anything. 😅
When did we forget what "Made in China" means? 😂
😂😂😂
This was my first thought as well.
Made in Japan means in the 70s...?
Made in Korea means in the 80s...?
Made in Taiwan means in the 90s...?
@ Do you not understand the differences in cultures? “Made in China” has always been synonymous with crap. Not the other three countries.
For one, “made in China”was a symbolic of luxury for millennia. So much so that the whole 600 years of western countries pushed from barbarism to civilization all stemming from their zest for her goods. As for recent economic shuffle, China had to start from the very bottom after its wealth got robbed by western countries from 1939 to 1949 and then blockade by the Americans until 1971. China is back on its historical pedestal rightfully.
What China has failed to accept is that just because it's called the 'China Sea', doesn't mean it actually belongs to China. Common convention allows a nation 12 miles from it's coastline (I think I have that right). Later int'l negotiations extended a nations exclusive economic zone (EEZ) out to 100 miles (again, ITIHTR). Anything else is int'l waters.
EEZ is 200 miles.
@superduper5514 Thnx.
Thing is... PRChina isn't a signatory of any of the international treaties that set up those delineations. In their eyes they are not beholden to it. The US also is not a signatory of said international treaties that establish such delineations...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 I agree with you on US. Although in many cases, including this I think, though they haven't signed due to details they still observe most of the terms.
@ Whether a country is a signatory or not, it has to abide laws.
Cities on "solid ground" slowly sink under the weight. NYC sinks 1-2 mm a year. So of course a bunch of islands made up of loose soil with stuff piled on them are going to sink even faster. Waves and storms are also going to do a number on them.
djakarta is sinking under its own weight.
So is Mexico City
Depends on the ground. Parts of NYC are built on solid granite, other parts on less reliable material and land fill.
@@avgjoe5969 It happens to volcanic islands as well. Once the plate moves, the hot spot of the volcano stays in the same place. The old island slowly sinks and a new one is created when the eruptions start again. Only thing holding it up is the lava pressure lifting the plate
Mangroves in many places form the actual coastline. But people think they’re kinda yucky. So we get rid of them. And then we discover as we’re sinking with the” I’m not an island anymore” that the fish populations are going to hell in a handbasket because there is nowhere for baby fish to grow up.
If I went on to my Neighbours farm and built a small hut and lived there, it wouldn't change the actual ownership of the property. Isn't this what China did too?
if your neighbour is not exercising his right to be on the property, most countries actually have ways to make property change hands. Established facts work very well. Its how Taiwan is free today for example
We call them Squatters.
Actually it's the Chinese saying the region is theirs because their greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat granddad left a dump on an island that didn't exist at the time.
Yes. But China is a bad faith actor and anyone defending them is just coping and seething.
I was having trouble drawing a parallel and this is exactly what my brain was trying to get at. 😅😂
There's a reason why we in Denmark not only use massive boulders on our artificial islands, but also go above and beyond with planting and maintaining ecosystems on the islands, as well as always attempting to improve existing ecosystems in the seas surrounding the islands. Our seas are absolutely not as rough as the South China Sea in a heavy storm, but even calm seas can quickly dissolve an artificial island if nothing is done to protect it against the waves. With the majority of Denmark being made of dirt, sand, clay and other soluble materials, we know first hand that without vegetation and wavebreakers, there is nothing to save you from the fury of the waves.
Sunken navel ships make great artificial reefs. Just saying.
But, where to get belly button ships?
@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus lol. Ffs. NAVAL. I'm not fixing the original post
Lol
Title of the newest China horror movie: "The revenge of the mangroves"
Those reef features never had mangroves.
Initially I was impressed they could pile sand in the ocean without erosion.
That's the neat part, you don't!
When the islands sink, China will still claim ownership of the ocean because of the military base that's now under water
holy shit if simon ever gets sick for a extended period of time like 1/3 of youtube will lose uploads at thispoint
Well, as they say in the proverbs: "If the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sunken Nuclear submarine cannot go to the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sinking Island, then the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sinking Island must go to the Temu, Made-In-China, Tofu-Dreg, sunken Nuclear submarine.
So China acted like a spoiled brat who's been told "no." 10:48
Seems to be a problem...for the Chinese guards on duty at the sinking islands.
I feel like certain soldiers are deployed to these islands, as some kind of "punishment" for some dishonorable stunt they pulled on the mainland...
@@jacob4920 I feel like this depends very much on the commander who runs the actual island garrison. There isn't actually anything to do other than "be present". A laid back commander could let his men just relax on the beach when not on duty. Or go swimming. Malaysia has a literal diving resort on its island. If you're from cold north China, would you not like your 2 year in the army to be spent on a tropical island? Even if you had to train and exercise all the time, I imagine doing so on a tropical island has got to be nicer than in the frozen north next to Siberia.
I would imagine it'd be not much different than a tour of duty in a submarine, other than more sunshine and less motion sickness
You must not have spent much time in the tropics. The bugs are oppressive.
The Gulf States already know that if you make sand islands, they just fade away. "The World" group of sand islands, off the coast of the United Arab Emirates, are nearly gone. The Dutch warned Dubai on how to fend back the tide. That was 30 years ago.
The South China Sea has been known as Typhoon Alley for decades. Sand islands can be obliterated by crrents.
the storm surge from a single major typhoon will do some major damage to the buildings.
Speaks volumes when virtually all of your own neighbors dislike you! Perhaps the problem isn’t everyone else like you keep telling yourself!
And this is the main reason why the Barbie movie was so controversial in China… Is there anything they could do to prevent their man-made islands from being reclaimed by the ocean?
Keep adding soil/sand and figure out how to cool the climate
Draw a few more dash lines that nature would understand?
I think simon drinks that stuff as much as he did AG1
Anything sponsored on UA-cam is probably crap. At worst a scam.
@@morsumbra9692 Imagine if all these sponsors were actually used by the UA-camrs advertising them, they would cost the UA-camrs about £1,000-£10,000 a month.
like... once maybe??
I don't think anyone does 😅
Emotional damage®..
totally inappropriate. So glad you created that thread, I would have revisitted this video's comment section over and over to find an occasion to point that Out.
Just finished deleting all of my past comments... Ahhhh advertising .. what 's it done to my mind... I was to never leave commentary on UA-cam again
Dude, removing natural soil anchors? Whack haha WTF did they expect?
Mother nature always has the final world ❤
Who could have guessed the Chinese shoddy construction would come into play
Yes China, great idea to place saturated clays and uncompacted sands as "islands" in tidally dominated areas, and building on them instantly without letting the sediments consolidate. The Corps of Engineers and Seabees are why we win any scenario anyone brings up
What?!? You're saying that the country that brought you ghost cities and water filled missiles can't build a stable island?
Water-filled missiles? What are you talking about? 🤔
@@antred11 Some of the officers sold the fuel off and replaced it with water.
China’s own military analysts have said the islands would be useless in any armed conflict. Too hard to resupply and lacking any natural cover the structures would be pummelled into the sea
all these artificial islands that China built are within range of the US Typhon MRC that is deployed in the Philippines. China has demanded it be removed but the US & PHL is standing firm.
Can't you say the same about any island? Guam, Taiwan, etc
@ I think the 2 examples you have provided might have an edge in the ability of the defending force to resupply in comparison to China’s manmade islands far far from resupply points
They're just expensive "keep out" signs in the ocean
Those Islands have native populations that have lived there for thousands of years. Not the same thing at all.
Both Vietnam and China have historical claims over Nansha islands since 17th century. Vietnam started occupying these islands in 1974 building structures, ports and even runways from that date onwards. Malaysia started reclaiming Layang Layang in 1980. China started to reclaim these islands in the South China Sea in 2013 as a response to the aggressive land reclamations by both Vietnam and Malaysia. Not the other way around.
I did NOT just see a gamersupps sponsorship on the funny war channel
I remember hearing about their artificial islands sinking years ago. Good to know they haven’t sorted it out and are still just as clueless as they were before 😂
there have been reports of the islands sinking since they were first built. Yet here they still are. Just like the Gordon Chang impending collapse of China, coming to you since 1990.
The half assed promotion for gamerspiss took me completely by surprise. Oh wait, did I read their product name incorrectly, never mind, let's go with it.
That sounds like the name of one of their flavors.
love how chinas claim is based on a map they drew. If I draw a map of my property line in crayons, showing it covering my neighbors land - is that a legally valid claim?
The Hague court should have handed the SCS claims back to Taiwan, since Taiwan is still the legitimate government of china, and it was the Nationalist government (currently in exile in Taipei) that came up with the 9 dash lines.
Why not hand all of mainland China back as well? After all, the PRC came into existence via a revolution and civil war. It was not done legally thorough the law in existence in the land at the time. Hmmm ... what other country came into being in this way ... I wonder .... 🤔
China and Taiwan have exactly the same claims. However, ITLOS judged that none of the features China/Taiwan claimed were actual “islands” hence none could generate territorial seas, and as such are inferior to the Philippines’ EEZ claim which is 200nm from the Philippine landmass.
That would really piss off the PRC. Further, Taiwan could renounce the 9 dash lines and adhere to the unclos as a responsible global citizen.
@ agree. Taiwan can say that the 9/11 Dash Lines were KMT positions that modern Taiwan doesn’t adhere to anymore, and that Taiwan adheres to the ITLOS decision that the South China Sea features that Taiwan occupies are not considered islands and do not generate their own 12nm territorial sea nor a 200nm EEZ.
any geomorphologist will tell you removing mangroves is coastal zoo i zide.
Those islands wouldn't last long in a conflict anyway the Japanese learnt this in WW2 and nowadays the weapons are more accurate and destructive
And so castles made of sand, fall in the sea, eventually.
People who sit at their desk all day shouldn’t be drinking energy drinks
In fairness, “energy drinks” are just a collection of toxins no matter what your lifestyle or exercise habits.
Lies 😂😂😂
@ 😂
"the wise man built his house upon the rock - learnt that in sunday school.
south china sea?
oh, you mean the WEST PHILIPPINE SEA.
WEST Philippine Sea, bro...
@@DedMan28 thanks. i thought it was weird.
North Taiwan sea
I dont get why the nine dash line has any credit. So what if some chinese dude drew it 100 years ago. What matters is what the world agrees on.
"The world" is no great shakes, either.
Just some half-assed excuse for China to claim what it wants. China's just used to being a tyrant, it has been this way for over 2000 years.
See this is a good example of survivorship bias. But on a level way beyond the normal "omg old school appliances were built so much better, my aunt's dryer is 45 years old and going strong! (ignores that it's the 1% of that model still in operation)". With natural islands, you see the ones that happened to be durable. You DON'T see the other ones. And the ones that are durable tend to be REALLY durable. Good luck matching that by piling a bunch of debris.
What is Seen and What is Not Seen - Bastiat
Strong and smart argument
@@DoctorMandible What is and What Should Never Be - Led Zeppelin
@@DoctorMandible Jokes aside, I was not familiar with that work. I have a philosophy degree and it looks like it could have fit nicely into the curriculum.
I get what you are saying, on the other hand, given the prevalence of the old school appliance were better stories perhaps there is something to it. I certainly know in my experience that has been the case.
in a fight between man and physics, physics wins every time lol
China's strategy in their claims to the South China Sea seems to be modeled after a bratty child calling dibs on a cake by dipping his finger with saliva and smearing the cake with it.
China "Sparrow Incident" 2.0 thinking they can be mother nature and just build stuff
How is that different from humans anywhere else? We just build stuff... lol
Here in Brevard County Florida there is a town named Viera and in this town developers decided it would be a brilliant idea to use a lot and then a lot more fill dirt in a swampy area; a place cattle ranchers did not use because of the environment. Then people bought the prebuild houses and others build their own to spec; these houses cost close to a million dollars and now the swamp is starting to reclaim what is it's, houses are sinking, just as us Floridians tried to warn people of.
The samething applies to China or any other Country; fu ck around with mother nature and a lesson with be found out eventually, History has proven this over and over.
I think what you said is true
By UN definition, they aren't technically islands.
Edit 1: China signed and ratified UNCLOS. That's where the definition is. The USA has never signed nor ratified UNCLOS. In fact, most of the "ignored" UN decisions by the USA are on parts of the UN not ratified by the USA.
You think China or any other country actually cares about the UN definitions of anything?
Especially after the US started ro ignore the UN regarding palestine, the UN has lost all the credibility it had once
since when did china, or the US for that matter cared about what the "UN" thinks? the only highly "regarded" like you seem to care i guess
UN:
U - Useful
N - Never
@@ap80shg Absolutely they do. When it benefits them.
Does China not have any geologist? A simple study of the plate tectonics in the region could have told them this was a bad idea. One large tsunami and all the man made islands are gone.
BRICS, Road and Bridge, tofu construction and sinking islands; can China do anything right?
Does not forget Covid. Their toddler like incompetence nearly killed the world.
I wonder what happens when a major typhoon sweeps over those islands.
they have before, they're fine lol
Who would have guessed? 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Unfortunately the islands were NOT dredged up 'out of thin air'. They were dredged up from tens of thousands of years of coral and maritime habitat. They killed thousands of giant clams that Filipino scientists had patiently seeded to try to preserve that endangered species. The silt and sand destroyed massive psi feeding grounds and unique maritime habitat. The whole situation is a tragedy.
new warographics just dropped❗️❗️❗️❗️
Ditto bro
Few things:
You named Taipei as an important port and not Kaohsiung. Kaohsiung is bigger and more important.
The South China Sea is known by other names depending where you're standing geographically. This wasn't mentioned.
An informative introduction video about artificial Chinese islands inside the south China sea .... China is always neglecting nature powers through constructions it's economic planning and projects
All the dams China has constructed haven't prevented any floods or droughts.
Any comments on, how much land. China has recently taken from Bhutan.
Tofu dreg...
Islands?
Yeah, modern Chinese workmanship for all to see.
And the Vanity Projects of Dubai and Saudi Arabia aren’t faring much better !
So I told my German roommate, and he asked: "Vat are zey sinking about?"
Let me correct you " Wot arrr SEY sinking about?"
Greeting from Germany ;)
Dutchman: lol. Amateurs. You merely adopted the fight against the sea. I was born into it. Raised by it. I didn’t see dry land till I was a young man.
Chinese defensive policy has not changed much in 2,200 years: acquire/claim territory, assert sovereignty over said territory by fortifying it. Whether by a Great Wall, or by island construction, the principles are the same--build a citadel.
The great wall didn't prevent the Mongols or the Manchurians from conquering China. When will they ever learn?
Tofu construction doesn't do well in salt water?
You want those islands to go away? The USS New Jersey, BB 62 has made an island disappear before, at one sixth the cost of a new CVN, she could be reactivated and used for geographic modification.
So... Did you ignore the part where as part of that ship's permanent retirement the engines and boilers are deliberately tampered so that it won't be fired again?
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131😂😂😂
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131Untamper the engines then
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 No, they're not tampered, they are sealed and not allowed to be touched under the Museum contract. They also have no fuel and the steam lines need to be inspected. The Curator and other experts estimate 2 years and 2 billion dollars to reactivate her, less than one sixth the cost of a single Carrier.
Don't be silly. It's a sitting duck in modern combat. Battleships are useless these days.
I’d rather have the SEA nations share the area and resources. None for China.
7:45 - Free Freedomland!!!!!
Great reporting thank you for sharing this story.
It's my understanding that Japan also has man-made islands, which are also experiencing subsidence and water incursions through their surface. Nobody has any business doing this in the first place given all of the known drawbacks. If nothing else the cost to ecosystems is far greater than any benefits that could ever be realized. That lesson should have been learned from shortcomings the UAE's overly ambitious projects.
Osaka international airport, the terminal, control tower and other structures were designed to be continually jacked up as the land slowly sinks.
@williamlloyd3769 Waiting for the day when water incursions liquify the "land" it's all built on.
Merry Christmas, Simon.
Thanks for the video. Glen
Chyner has a Ficher-Price™️ Navy.
then why is your country scared of it lol
@Because it’s just going to trash up the ocean. 🤦♂️
Hey, Fisher Price has quality standards. How dare you
@@dcc70 It's just a knock-off, look at the spelling. ;-)👍👍
Happy thanksgiving, Simon! Im thankful for your unbiased, well researched coverage of world events. And for all your other channels that stave of boredom and insanity!
I don't know, Simon. Even if the islands sink and the infrastructure falls apart, I don't think that matters too much. Sure, the military aspects are important, but what I think really matters to the PRC is the claim to the island, which doesn't change if the runway develops cracks.
The Tribunal did not negate the territorial claims in the SCS, it was related exclusively to claims of an EEZ around the territorial claims.
you completely forgot to report... WHY... it is important to control that area. Will a tax be imposed on ships passing through?> will trade be denied to certain countries?> You just leave it dangling. Who, what, where, when and why. this was covered in school.
It won't take more than a couple of good earthquakes for those islands to fall apart. Building land out of dredge spoil is like trying to stack golf balls if you don't dry it out first.
Moving water will win against loose sand, every time. China will lose those islands to the sea.
I get that the geopolitics makes this a Warfronts entry, but parts of it do feel like Megaprojects, lol
did not learn from the failed sand islands in Dubai.
Global warming W 😂
The war channel whose advertisers are gamer supps, is just somewhat hilarious lol. "Anyways drones are blowing up military soldiers, now would you like some guacamole farts from gamersupps?" 😂
Donald trump wants to accelerate climate change to flood chinese island in the south china sea😂
Big brain
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You mean Chinese engineering is failing? I've never heard such a thing! It's unfathomable!
GOOD
Oil has been suspected to be existed in the Spratly Island for a long time, because oil was found in Brunei water in the late 19th century, subsequently Malaysia found oil in 1910, and oil was discovered on Vietnam continental shelf in the 1950s.
The late 1970s to the 1990s the South China Sea was dubbed to be a possible next largest oil reserve after Saudi Arabia, hence the race for the control of area by all surrounding countries.
Too bad for china, CCP doesn't know or refuse to believe that the oil in that area is not enough to justify the staggering cost of drilling. That's how exploration works even with modern tech, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not there, sometimes it's there but the deposit is not enough for commercial exploitation.
Rumors are the most promising area is the underwater massif with natural gas deposits but it's on the other side of the sea. An area east of northern Luzon. Seems like china was stealing the wrong side of the pond 😁 All their time and money spent for nothing 😁
Unless of course if they'll claim that area too belongs to them. Which they probably will or until the CCPs time runs out.
Do these other nations also call it the China sea?
In the Philippines, we call it the west Philippine Sea (at least just the part of our EEZ)
Haven't heard this history of the disputed sea before. Thanks for the video, I love how you explain things and you're always dressed well, loving the t-shirts ;)
Tofu dreg.