Me personally i think the pacers and thunder being competitive is good for their team development and for the league. The thunder and Pacers are at the point of their rebuild where they have identified their core pieces moving forward. I doubt either keep it up & the pacers might sell some players but both been better than i thought
agreed, i think they should play this season to the best of their abilities and if they luck into the 1st pick great but continue to push for a winning culture
@@TruthOperator81 ok then, what do you think is going to happen/they should do? Because this seems most likely to me. Ayton signed with the Pacers before the Suns matched, it wouldn't be crazy to suspect he would come there after the season's over.
As a Thunder fan, we don’t need to tank. We already have so much young talent. Also the fact that the name Tre Mann was never said is wild. Tre Mann has all of the tools to be a superstar. He’s just on a roster that has Lu Dort, Josh Giddey, and Shai already. We have a million firsts so we don’t need to be that pressed about adding value to ours. I’m surprised that you never said anything about the center position. The biggest thing holding us back is the lack of a center. We’re running JRE at center but he’s a forward. If we can get a star center in there, we’ll take a massive leap. We’ll also get better as our young guys develop. Also thank god Paolo went #1 because we would’ve looked like dumbasses if we had passed on him and he went to Houston.
Only thing they need is shooting and maybe one more shot creator coming off of the bench. They are only a couple years away. Now is the time they should be taught how to win and close out games. Tanking will only kill the confidence of their young players.
But we shouldn't force it this year, or fight for a playoff spot. That would be dumb. We should rest the main guys plenty so we can get guys like Tre opportunity, let Shai have fun out there and keep him happy & healthy. We should still sorta tank this year. And if youre sorta tanking, you might as well fully tank. Why wouldn't we with how incredible the top 5-10 guys are in this draft?? I do LOVE that we're already so competitive and your right, Tre has a deep bag.
All we need is a bruising, athletic rebounder/rim defender….Jalen Duran should have been the pick after we selected jDub…I like Dieng, but we have an over abundance of above average wings…Chet may be the answer but we’ve yet to see how he holds up against the more physical bigs in the league
I have a strange feeling a team not in the bottom 3-5 will get #1. Sort of like the pelicans with zion. League wants to discourage tanking, and we all know the lottery system is sometimes a little sketchy
Thunder fan here. It’d be great to get Wemby, but we’re definitely at the very least a .500 team when everyone is healthy and playing together properly. If Presti doesn’t shut anyone down late season I think we can easily win 30 games. Which would put us in a 6 and later position in the draft barring any miraculous falling of the ping pong balls. That being said, we not stressing anything especially with Chet coming back. The development in this organization is A+ in my mind. We gone be Ight.
Facts I low-key hate yall cause I'm from Seattle but I want yall to get that number 1 pick and have a lineup if Sga,Giddey,Poku,Chet,Wemby. Lol shit would be absoutley crazy
You also have to look at the teams we’re going against we have played 2 under 500. teams this season, and yet we’re still fighting against title contending teams and playoff teams, we are a good team there are just unfortunately slightly better teams
I’ve watched every okc game this year and last. The big differences are that this season Shai can get any shot he wants and no shot he takes is a “bad shot” reminds me of Kawhi. Poku looks comfortable and mature for the first time in his career. Josh giddey is still developing his shot and needs a better form if he wants to continue developing considering that his mid range game is non existent besides long floaters and 3 point shot isn’t quite there either. Lu dort needs to take a step back and know he isn’t our second guy on offense anymore. J dub looks incredibly talented when put in the right scenario but is having trouble inserting himself in the game. He goes long periods of time barely touching the ball but he’ll get there with time.
You hit the nail on the head of what I’ve been thinking about as a Pacer fan. They’re playing good, they have a good young core. But Is it enough? The Pacers have had multiple good not great eras. And I have a feeling they all started like this. Had a good enough team and ran with it. This is a ringless NBA franchise, if they want to change that they’re gonna have to start shooting for the stars. Tyrese and Benn are going to be stars, but are they superstars? No team has won a title without a superstar since the 03-04 Pistons, and I can say with confidence that I highly doubt the Indiana Pacers are breaking that streak. They have a good core, but it needs to be amazing if they plan on doing anything serious. Need a superstar player. They aren’t getting it in FA. They have to draft it, and with the way they’re playing it would take a miracle to land a player with even star potential in the mid to late teens. I’m still on board for tanking. We’ve seen that they can play really well together. Now let’s gather more talent so they can play even better.
@@79glane928 u usually can tell right away if a player is gonna be superstar, i cant really think of a player that came out of no where and became a superstar
@@OMG-si3wn Giannis had potential but nobody predicted he would be THIS good. Kawhi is another example (also sad for Pacers fans :)) ), Jimmy Butler, and I am sure there are more
As a pacers fan, I am happy with the winning culture. A 14% chance of getting the no. 1 pick isn't worth losing and not developing the young players we already have. I heard once we got Tyrese Haliburton that Turner wanted to play along side him. Sabonis played the 5 a lot when he was on the team, so now that Turner is playing the 5 he's been rolling to the rim more often and getting into better position to rebound/defend. I wouldn't mind resigning Turner, but if we get a really good offer for him I wouldn't be opposed trading him.
The argument is pacers team isn't good enough to win a ring even if your young players develop well and you get some more solid players. Your also not gonna attract a big name free agent. So getting a superstar from the draft is really your only option.
I agree, but the thing is people think two first round picks around 20ish are good enough for him. Like no, picks in the 20s are nothing but role players a majority of the time. Turner and Hields values are too high to just be disposed of for a future 20th overall pick. That wont help us at all. Id rather just keep them and continue what we have here
@@lobby_boy5382 Trades are a thing as well. In 2 years trading a few good young players and picks could be enough for a Paul George level of wing. Tyrese, Mathurin, Turner, and PG is pote tially enough, assuming Tyrese and Mathurin continue improving
Look the Thunder signed SGA to a massive extension and made him the Face of the franchise, they even retained Shai's right hand man of fellow country men in Lu Dort to a multi year deal to stay as one of OKC's cornerstone piece from Chet Holmgren, Josh Giddey, Poku to Tre Mann, Jalen Williams & Ousmane Dieng. Heck they even signed vets to multi year deals as well not just to make Shai happy but give this young Thunder continuity, key role players such as Kenrich and Muscala are now there for more years to come not only young players can learn from them both of these players are players u want in a contending team they still are very productive as players. OKC is pushing the agenda to get better rapidly but still stacked for years to come with the endless amount of picks, them being competitive will just help their growth, development & improvement in the league like their future is very fucking bright as hell.
Okc already has what ever team wish they could have and that is 3 players all around the same age that have star potential (or already a superstar in shai case) the thunder are miles ahead of all the rebuilding teams and have already started building they winning culture. Sam presti has the best eye for talent and he still has an abundance of picks. Okc is really setting up to be a true dynasty and pioneer to the new way teams are gonna try to rebuild
@@humanbeingistragic i have to disagree the future isn’t the worst for orlando but brighter than okc? They don’t have any as proven as shai is and okc has more draft assets
@@humanbeingistragic no they do not 😂😂 shai is better than anybody on they roster, they number 2 pick hasn’t even played this year who will quickly show he has the same amount of impact as paolo just in different ways, giddey and Franz are pretty even but giddey has a higher ceiling if he can turn into a consistent jump shooter, jalen Williams , tre mann, poku, lu dort Orlando’s young talent is not as good as okc’s and then okc has way more draft capital with a Gm with a better eye for talent 😂to say Orlando has a brighter future or even the same is laughable okc is in a class of they own
@@humanbeingistragic shai, giddey, chet, dort, mann, jalen Williams, poku, dieng, Wiggins, bazley like the young talent they have is endless and they still got a bunch of picks with Great value
I was about to say the same thing 😂 Love my Pacers and would love to see more videos about them IF they keep it up during their upcoming road trip, which is going to be brutal.
@@Vladraac yeah it’s gonna be tough, but I have faith they can AT LEAST finish it .500. The defense is my biggest concern, even tho they’ve been playing better as of late
The thing about the Thunder that kind of worries me is that they have so many young guys, and even more draft picks that some of them are bound the get lost in the shuffle, they are going to have players who might have potential but won’t get to play enough to fully harness that potential
It’s already happening… guys like Aaron Wiggins are getting pushed out of the lineup, despite him showing that when he plays he can be very very solid.
@@duffal0 he’s great, but is he really going to have a spot if ousmane continues to develop in the right direction? Sometimes you gotta give up a good player that fits in your system for someone that fits in your system better
It’s so hard to be a pacers fan right now, on one side I want us to be a good competitive team, but I also dont want to be the same old 5 seed first round exit pacers again
I agree with you on that, but Im still on the fence about Myles. He's kind of the perfect center to play with Reese and Ben and is just entering his prime. The teams cap would allow them to give him a front-loaded deal that gets kore team friendly when its time to give Haliburton his max deal. But is he really worth the contract or the gamble he could leave at the end of the year? I dont know. On the video........if the Pacers got Wemby its a wrap for the rest of the league, and they might have a future dynasty on their hands. But it's not gonna happen unless Haliburton gets hurt, and they trade Turner and Hield, and have a horrible finish to the season. This draft is far too good to get tunnel vision for Wembanyama. They can just miss the playoffs and still get a very good piece to add to their young core. No way they should legitimately tank for any 1 guy.
Was at the nuggets game last night and was so surprised Knox had that many points and me and my brother were like man MPJ didn’t do nothing but miss until I remembered he had 17 and I was like when was that, great w by the pistons tho and was glad to see Ivey and duren play but burks put on the backpack
As a thunder fan I’m not worried about our pick next year so much because I see Chet as our pick next year. We have the second overall pick guaranteed the way I see it
As a thunder fan I’m amazed every game with how competitive it is even against the best teams in the league. Especially considering that our only vet is mike muscala. I don’t think that tanking should even be a consideration this season because the most important thing for the thunder is player development and that is achieved through playing competitive basketball. The thunder have enough draft capital to get almost any player they want. You need 8 1sts for this player? We can do that twice. Shai is Him and a lot of the pieces the thunder have makes me confident that they will be able to build a complete team around him that will be competing year in and year out
Hot take: I think a risk the Pacers could take is if they’re sitting at a 4,5,6 seed near the deadline, they trade there pick to a team for multiple players and start to form a window.
Mathurin is a rookie. Haliburton is year 3 on his rookie contract still, yet to be extended. Turners future is a mystery still, this is not their time to make a window and force it. Theyve been trying that for a decade and it hasnt worked, they finally have a young squad, theres no need to force a window until they at risk of losing hali or mathurin
I think we’ll learn a lot about the Pacers once they are done with their upcoming west coast trip. I think after that the pacers will know if they should go all in or tank
Thunder are building a winning culture already following the system, environment & Infastracture that Sam Presti instilled within the organisation it's bout time they be contenders once again and be back into contention. As Presti said once OKC is back in the playoffs, they want to make an arrival not just an appearance cuz they wanna compete to win multiple titles. SGA is getting the Durant/ Westbrook treatment as well that makes it even better for him, it's like the 2012 Thunder but is deeper and has more depth from 17 players plus the owner isn't cheap anymore like before cuz he learned his lesson and know he made a big mistake in letting go Harden thus letting a dynasty slip in his hands. It won't happen again this time cuz Presti has more reigns and control over the team now rather than before he just builds the roster for the team, ownership listens a lot to Presti and from management to staff they all follow his calls now.
Bruh, this is the most positive and longest I’ve seen you talk about my Thunder, thank you 🙏🏻 😭 love the content man! Keep an eye on us in OKC, we’re coming up fast!
First for everyone who says SGA doesn't fit the OKC timeline should jump off a building, second of all the Thunders at this moment are finally showing their worth as a young team. I predicted that OKC may have a similar season to the last year New Orleans Pelicans, where I we see they weren't supposed to be in the play-in tournament via to a small injury to Zion but they did the unthinkable by trading, for Cj McCollum and becoming good enough to make the 8th seed and be in the play in tournament where their rookies show their true value and even made the playoff despite losing the series to the Suns in an impressive 6 games. OKC can produce their future this season in either two ways, 1. They find good veteran/veteran talents through the trade deadline to help build growth in the team and make the play-in tournament or 2. They can shut down SGA and every good talent to tank for a Victor or Scoot. I believe this Thunder team isn't going too bad this year and could take a page out of the last year's New Orleans Pelicans team and go for the sky to show what they're truly made of either way the sky is the limit for OKC!!
People saying Shai doesn’t fit the timeline is the funniest shit like if it’s not him then what’s the timeline? I’m sorry he’s 4 years older than your rookie so you gotta trade him? Not every team is the grizzlies you gotta have vets just look at the last 10 finals and let me know which team didn’t have a player playing big minutes over the age of 30 lol
As good as the Pacers are looking right now, they've caught teams at the right time and had an easy schedule. The next two months will be WAY tougher than what they've played so far. We'll know better how good they are in January.
As a pacers fan, we have been Mediocre for a long time. I would rather tank and have a 14 percent chance for Vic than continue to be 1st round exits for the next 5 years
Imo the pacers need one more year of being bad to complete the rebuild. Imagine tyrese, bennedict, top 5 pick, jalen smith, and miles turner or another big to replace him
As a Pacers fan I really think we need that third piece, whether that is Vic of another potential top 5 pick. Haliburton and Marthurin are gonna be really good and Jackson could be good, but having that third star that can put the ball in the basket is essential for our future.
From a Pacer perspective, I know a lot of us feel frustrated in the never tank culture but look at our past ten years. We were one of the best chances to dethrone Lebron James in his prime with two completely different teams both built without any top ten much less top 3 picks! We have our core for the future with hali and mathurin. I personally say extend turner, trade hield, and play roulette on a good forward with our 3 first rounders next draft. We accomplished the hardest part of a tank in one year so dont look back
judging by the improvement, i think the thunder are doing okay. poku has improved A LOT, especially on the defensive end. jdub playing like a veteran player with his decision making (outside of last game lol). some additions like isaiah joe and JRE really help the spacing. when chet is back our center problem will be gone. the only problem is the fit, especially with giddey and dort. they both really have to learn how to shoot if they want to play alongside shai. can judge to quick but i think under chip england the problem will be gone soon
8:05 Nah that’s exactly how you should be thinking about it. Obvious when you have a generational prospect like Victor you should shoot for #1 but a lot of the best players in the league come from outside of the top 10. The biggest example being the back to back MVP Jokic who was drafted in the 2nd round during a commercial break.
Great take on Pacers. One thing you must consider is if MYLES wants to stay a Pacer. He can get good value elsewhere and so he’d have to be sold on not only staying on a team that put him on trade blocks for years (but is finally featuring him) but handling maybe less money for what seems maybe an excellent fit. This team is gelling and loving playing with each other apparently in a way that is unique. So it’s a rare possibility culture and opportunity may trump money (a La Jalen Smith) but this is Turner’s big opportunity and for sure Pacers wanted him to shine so it can work out best for everyone - whether he goes and trade value is up or stays and they all agree it’s finally working. He must string together more chunks of consistent game flow to win over some Pacers fans still but with Ty it seems it’s finally going his way. They are also both just good kind humans who do amazing work for the communities so that seems to be a like bond in personality they have. We Pacers like the kindness as a cukture but happy to have some dawg out there in someone and Mathurin is THAT man. Killer instinct is a must from someone tone elite. It is the house Reggie built after all.
As a Pacers fan its nice to see some talent flooding the building. Trading Turner could be the best thing for the future beyond this year depending on where we're at around the deadline.
People mention it already, Lakers might gave Pelicans the 1st pick anyway... OKC should just work on getting their young guys develop and have the right line-up build around Shai
As a Thunder fan I don’t think there is a need for Poku, Chet, and Vic. I’d say our biggest downside is lack of experience and our Center position (Mike Muscala isn’t it). I think we could benefit greatly from acquiring a vet and investing in a good/ already established center in the league.
@@21cabbage97 if you look at it from a talent perspective you are absolutely right. Turner is way better and playing great this season. When you look at what the GS front office has tried to do, 2 timelines essentially so when Steph, Klay, and Draymond are dwindling the young guys can be the Tim Duncan, Kawhi ala San Antonio. That is the plan in GS, they want Moody, Wiseman, and Kuminga to the be next young core and don't want to trade them. Wiseman was a #2 pick, Kuminga #7, they don't wanna give up on them. If I'm GS I absolutely do that, but I just don't think they want to. Not to mention the cap hit of resigning turner in the off-season would cost triple his salary in a tax hit.
Going for the number one pick would be greedy considering Haliburton and Mathurin can potentially be the best backcourt in the league. We also have all our future picks and 2 extra firsts from Boston and Cleveland to make a move for the right player.
I feel like the plan for both team is similar. Play the best basketball you can until all star break. Then depending on your success you choose the direction you'd take for the rest of the season. If you're good enough to make the play offs you continue. If you're not good enough you rest some of your players for a last minute tank, not for Wemby exclusively, but for a better pick in general. Similar with the vets. If you give the best you got and you are struggling to get in the play in you probably trade them before trade deadline. If you make the play offs you think about trades after the season. This happened with the Thunder in 2020. Everyone thought they would trade CP3, Adams, Schroeder and Gallinari before the deadline, but they were good enough to make the playoffs as a 4 seed and force a game 7 against the rockets. They then traded everyone in the summer when their value was high.
Yeah the Thunder don't have to tank they have so many picks from other teams, if they really want somebody a few slots up from where they draft they may be able to package picks to move up anyway.
I think the thunder are to good to do it but I want em to get the number 1 pick and have a starting lineup of SGA,Giddey,Poku,Chet,Victor! Lmao mfs wouldn't know what to do with that
Thunder should honestly either try and get Wemby or use all the treasure chest of first round picks for years and TRADE most of them for Wemby then compete with SGA-Giddey-Poku-Chet-Wemby and then compete finally. That or they can just get a good pick this year and trade the chest of First round picks and trade for a young star to compete
If a team tanks and gets sent to the g league who gets their pick in the draft? The g league team or the tanking team. And if the tanking team gets it where does the g league get picks
Also the culture stuff at the end is real talk! If you dive deep into Thunder media guys and what’s goin on behind the scenes, the culture seems to be solid. They play hard all the time, no one has let their ego get too big, and they have offensive and defensive systems that are real and can evolve. The teams who are at the bottom (spurs, rockets, magic, hornets, pistons), I only trust the spurs culture to fulfill a rebuild
Actually, the funny thing is wwe haven't seen very many teams tank in the sense of trying to lose. The Hornets aren't trying to lose, they just can NOT get their guys on the floor. Magic don't look like they're trying to lose, they're just not ready. The Rockets might be the exception cause while I don't think the team is trying to lose - they're judt not that good and their coach is probably the worst in all of basketball - the front office might be, can't think of any other reason their coach still has a job. But the rest of the league? So far we've seen a lot of teams we thought were set up to tank really come out playing. Thunder, Pacers, Jazz, all playing well, especially the Jazz
As a pacers fan I love the current winning culture we’ve built and I like our core as is but it feels like we need one more star if we’re gonna compete for championships so I’m definitely torn.
I think the Thunder should at least try to push for something, their core feels established already and even a early teens lottery pick should be good enough for them. They need complimentary pieces instead of an extended timeline at this point.
I was fully prepared for him to start talking shit about OKC but it's fair. it's year 3 of the rebuild and the pieces are definitely coming together and you see it on the court. now is just the process of development and seeing which lineups work and which players will be here longterm. I don't think anyone outside of the tank happy fans really thought we'd be at the bottom of the west. most thought it would be a 12 seed. probably walk away with a top 7-10 pick with Chet returning
I genuinely believe that the pacers are going to make the play in, feel like Rick and the owners are going to make sure they are trying to win games even with the Victor stakes
Me personally i think the pacers and thunder being competitive is good for their team development and for the league. The thunder and Pacers are at the point of their rebuild where they have identified their core pieces moving forward. I doubt either keep it up & the pacers might sell some players but both been better than i thought
agreed, i think they should play this season to the best of their abilities and if they luck into the 1st pick great but continue to push for a winning culture
Turner might go to the Lakers for a few picks because Ayton is 90% going to the Pacers next season, dunno about Hield tho.
and they're both a small market. they need to sell tickets. OKC trade Shai and the only people showin up are the season ticket holders.
@@tweeekking I just know you don't follow the Pacers with that kind of take.
@@TruthOperator81 ok then, what do you think is going to happen/they should do? Because this seems most likely to me. Ayton signed with the Pacers before the Suns matched, it wouldn't be crazy to suspect he would come there after the season's over.
As a Thunder fan, we don’t need to tank. We already have so much young talent. Also the fact that the name Tre Mann was never said is wild. Tre Mann has all of the tools to be a superstar. He’s just on a roster that has Lu Dort, Josh Giddey, and Shai already. We have a million firsts so we don’t need to be that pressed about adding value to ours. I’m surprised that you never said anything about the center position. The biggest thing holding us back is the lack of a center. We’re running JRE at center but he’s a forward. If we can get a star center in there, we’ll take a massive leap. We’ll also get better as our young guys develop. Also thank god Paolo went #1 because we would’ve looked like dumbasses if we had passed on him and he went to Houston.
i think he didnt mention the center position because he talked about holmgren being there next year, if hes solid yall dont need another one
Only thing they need is shooting and maybe one more shot creator coming off of the bench. They are only a couple years away. Now is the time they should be taught how to win and close out games. Tanking will only kill the confidence of their young players.
But we shouldn't force it this year, or fight for a playoff spot. That would be dumb. We should rest the main guys plenty so we can get guys like Tre opportunity, let Shai have fun out there and keep him happy & healthy. We should still sorta tank this year. And if youre sorta tanking, you might as well fully tank. Why wouldn't we with how incredible the top 5-10 guys are in this draft?? I do LOVE that we're already so competitive and your right, Tre has a deep bag.
Also Chet has a higher ceiling and is a better fit than Paolo.
All we need is a bruising, athletic rebounder/rim defender….Jalen Duran should have been the pick after we selected jDub…I like Dieng, but we have an over abundance of above average wings…Chet may be the answer but we’ve yet to see how he holds up against the more physical bigs in the league
“Shai IS the Timeline”
Big dub. You know ball.
I have a strange feeling a team not in the bottom 3-5 will get #1. Sort of like the pelicans with zion. League wants to discourage tanking, and we all know the lottery system is sometimes a little sketchy
I would do unspeakable things for my Knicks to get Wemby, but the league don't like us so i got no hope
Thunder fan here. It’d be great to get Wemby, but we’re definitely at the very least a .500 team when everyone is healthy and playing together properly. If Presti doesn’t shut anyone down late season I think we can easily win 30 games. Which would put us in a 6 and later position in the draft barring any miraculous falling of the ping pong balls. That being said, we not stressing anything especially with Chet coming back. The development in this organization is A+ in my mind. We gone be Ight.
Facts I low-key hate yall cause I'm from Seattle but I want yall to get that number 1 pick and have a lineup if Sga,Giddey,Poku,Chet,Wemby. Lol shit would be absoutley crazy
@@marzelsimmons8708 being from Seattle you could just follow with the relocation, plus you finna get your team back supposedly
You also have to look at the teams we’re going against we have played 2 under 500. teams this season, and yet we’re still fighting against title contending teams and playoff teams, we are a good team there are just unfortunately slightly better teams
I’ve watched every okc game this year and last. The big differences are that this season Shai can get any shot he wants and no shot he takes is a “bad shot” reminds me of Kawhi. Poku looks comfortable and mature for the first time in his career. Josh giddey is still developing his shot and needs a better form if he wants to continue developing considering that his mid range game is non existent besides long floaters and 3 point shot isn’t quite there either. Lu dort needs to take a step back and know he isn’t our second guy on offense anymore. J dub looks incredibly talented when put in the right scenario but is having trouble inserting himself in the game. He goes long periods of time barely touching the ball but he’ll get there with time.
Who is J dub?
@@sammcglynn5625 lottery pick Jaylin Williams. Picked behind Ousmane Dieng.
Perfectly said about Lou Dort 🤝
@@inFamous_Izanagi jalen not jaylin
If Dort isnt the second guy who is?
You hit the nail on the head of what I’ve been thinking about as a Pacer fan. They’re playing good, they have a good young core. But Is it enough? The Pacers have had multiple good not great eras. And I have a feeling they all started like this. Had a good enough team and ran with it. This is a ringless NBA franchise, if they want to change that they’re gonna have to start shooting for the stars. Tyrese and Benn are going to be stars, but are they superstars? No team has won a title without a superstar since the 03-04 Pistons, and I can say with confidence that I highly doubt the Indiana Pacers are breaking that streak. They have a good core, but it needs to be amazing if they plan on doing anything serious. Need a superstar player. They aren’t getting it in FA. They have to draft it, and with the way they’re playing it would take a miracle to land a player with even star potential in the mid to late teens. I’m still on board for tanking. We’ve seen that they can play really well together. Now let’s gather more talent so they can play even better.
Its way, way too early to suggest they dont have any superstars. Mathurin looks like he very well could be a superstar. He is only 20 years old.
@@79glane928 ya I completely agree
@@79glane928 u usually can tell right away if a player is gonna be superstar, i cant really think of a player that came out of no where and became a superstar
@@OMG-si3wn Giannis had potential but nobody predicted he would be THIS good. Kawhi is another example (also sad for Pacers fans :)) ), Jimmy Butler, and I am sure there are more
@John Doe Mathurin didnt come "out of nowhere" hes been excelling since day 1.
As a pacers fan, I am happy with the winning culture. A 14% chance of getting the no. 1 pick isn't worth losing and not developing the young players we already have. I heard once we got Tyrese Haliburton that Turner wanted to play along side him. Sabonis played the 5 a lot when he was on the team, so now that Turner is playing the 5 he's been rolling to the rim more often and getting into better position to rebound/defend. I wouldn't mind resigning Turner, but if we get a really good offer for him I wouldn't be opposed trading him.
The argument is pacers team isn't good enough to win a ring even if your young players develop well and you get some more solid players. Your also not gonna attract a big name free agent. So getting a superstar from the draft is really your only option.
I agree, but the thing is people think two first round picks around 20ish are good enough for him. Like no, picks in the 20s are nothing but role players a majority of the time. Turner and Hields values are too high to just be disposed of for a future 20th overall pick. That wont help us at all. Id rather just keep them and continue what we have here
@@lobby_boy5382 Trades are a thing as well. In 2 years trading a few good young players and picks could be enough for a Paul George level of wing. Tyrese, Mathurin, Turner, and PG is pote tially enough, assuming Tyrese and Mathurin continue improving
Thunder fan and i feel the same way
@@tonyschimmoeller Indy doesn't want PG back, but otherwise, you're not wrong.
Look the Thunder signed SGA to a massive extension and made him the Face of the franchise, they even retained Shai's right hand man of fellow country men in Lu Dort to a multi year deal to stay as one of OKC's cornerstone piece from Chet Holmgren, Josh Giddey, Poku to Tre Mann, Jalen Williams & Ousmane Dieng.
Heck they even signed vets to multi year deals as well not just to make Shai happy but give this young Thunder continuity, key role players such as Kenrich and Muscala are now there for more years to come not only young players can learn from them both of these players are players u want in a contending team they still are very productive as players.
OKC is pushing the agenda to get better rapidly but still stacked for years to come with the endless amount of picks, them being competitive will just help their growth, development & improvement in the league like their future is very fucking bright as hell.
Okc already has what ever team wish they could have and that is 3 players all around the same age that have star potential (or already a superstar in shai case) the thunder are miles ahead of all the rebuilding teams and have already started building they winning culture. Sam presti has the best eye for talent and he still has an abundance of picks. Okc is really setting up to be a true dynasty and pioneer to the new way teams are gonna try to rebuild
Orlando has just as bright if not a brighter future than OKC.
@@humanbeingistragic i have to disagree the future isn’t the worst for orlando but brighter than okc? They don’t have any as proven as shai is and okc has more draft assets
@@humanbeingistragic no they do not 😂😂 shai is better than anybody on they roster, they number 2 pick hasn’t even played this year who will quickly show he has the same amount of impact as paolo just in different ways, giddey and Franz are pretty even but giddey has a higher ceiling if he can turn into a consistent jump shooter, jalen Williams , tre mann, poku, lu dort Orlando’s young talent is not as good as okc’s and then okc has way more draft capital with a Gm with a better eye for talent 😂to say Orlando has a brighter future or even the same is laughable okc is in a class of they own
@@humanbeingistragic shai, giddey, chet, dort, mann, jalen Williams, poku, dieng, Wiggins, bazley like the young talent they have is endless and they still got a bunch of picks with Great value
@@humanbeingistragic I think you're just a magic fan lol
Never thought I’d see the day Kenny put the Pacers in the title of a video 🥹
I was about to say the same thing 😂 Love my Pacers and would love to see more videos about them IF they keep it up during their upcoming road trip, which is going to be brutal.
@@Vladraac yeah it’s gonna be tough, but I have faith they can AT LEAST finish it .500. The defense is my biggest concern, even tho they’ve been playing better as of late
@@williethekidd2121 I cannot wait for the Kings and Lakers games!
The thing about the Thunder that kind of worries me is that they have so many young guys, and even more draft picks that some of them are bound the get lost in the shuffle, they are going to have players who might have potential but won’t get to play enough to fully harness that potential
It’s just the reality in this sport. I think they are okay with that as long as they build the core that’s right for the team they envision.
It’s already happening… guys like Aaron Wiggins are getting pushed out of the lineup, despite him showing that when he plays he can be very very solid.
@@duffal0 he’s great, but is he really going to have a spot if ousmane continues to develop in the right direction? Sometimes you gotta give up a good player that fits in your system for someone that fits in your system better
bro theyll play every game. every loss is just stepping stones.
It’s so hard to be a pacers fan right now, on one side I want us to be a good competitive team, but I also dont want to be the same old 5 seed first round exit pacers again
I'm a Pacers fan I honestly think they should just trade Buddy Hield he's obviously not gonna start forever with Bennedict Mathurin on the come up.
I agree with you on that, but Im still on the fence about Myles. He's kind of the perfect center to play with Reese and Ben and is just entering his prime. The teams cap would allow them to give him a front-loaded deal that gets kore team friendly when its time to give Haliburton his max deal. But is he really worth the contract or the gamble he could leave at the end of the year? I dont know.
On the video........if the Pacers got Wemby its a wrap for the rest of the league, and they might have a future dynasty on their hands. But it's not gonna happen unless Haliburton gets hurt, and they trade Turner and Hield, and have a horrible finish to the season. This draft is far too good to get tunnel vision for Wembanyama. They can just miss the playoffs and still get a very good piece to add to their young core. No way they should legitimately tank for any 1 guy.
Was at the nuggets game last night and was so surprised Knox had that many points and me and my brother were like man MPJ didn’t do nothing but miss until I remembered he had 17 and I was like when was that, great w by the pistons tho and was glad to see Ivey and duren play but burks put on the backpack
Thank you for giving these thirsty Raps and Knicks fans the reality check they need.
I'm a thunder fan and I can say I agree completely
As a thunder fan I’m not worried about our pick next year so much because I see Chet as our pick next year. We have the second overall pick guaranteed the way I see it
As a thunder fan I’m amazed every game with how competitive it is even against the best teams in the league. Especially considering that our only vet is mike muscala. I don’t think that tanking should even be a consideration this season because the most important thing for the thunder is player development and that is achieved through playing competitive basketball. The thunder have enough draft capital to get almost any player they want. You need 8 1sts for this player? We can do that twice. Shai is Him and a lot of the pieces the thunder have makes me confident that they will be able to build a complete team around him that will be competing year in and year out
Hot take: I think a risk the Pacers could take is if they’re sitting at a 4,5,6 seed near the deadline, they trade there pick to a team for multiple players and start to form a window.
Mathurin is a rookie. Haliburton is year 3 on his rookie contract still, yet to be extended. Turners future is a mystery still, this is not their time to make a window and force it. Theyve been trying that for a decade and it hasnt worked, they finally have a young squad, theres no need to force a window until they at risk of losing hali or mathurin
I think we’ll learn a lot about the Pacers once they are done with their upcoming west coast trip. I think after that the pacers will know if they should go all in or tank
3-4 would be a success in my book
As a pacers fan man im surprised we are doing good 10-6 right now still early but I like the future of hailburton and eggs bennedict mathurin
Okc has Kenrich Williams and Mike Muscala as their vets
No one is mentioning how charlotte doesn’t have their own pick this year it belongs to the spurs, they can’t tank on Wbanyama!
Thunder are building a winning culture already following the system, environment & Infastracture that Sam Presti instilled within the organisation it's bout time they be contenders once again and be back into contention.
As Presti said once OKC is back in the playoffs, they want to make an arrival not just an appearance cuz they wanna compete to win multiple titles.
SGA is getting the Durant/ Westbrook treatment as well that makes it even better for him, it's like the 2012 Thunder but is deeper and has more depth from 17 players plus the owner isn't cheap anymore like before cuz he learned his lesson and know he made a big mistake in letting go Harden thus letting a dynasty slip in his hands.
It won't happen again this time cuz Presti has more reigns and control over the team now rather than before he just builds the roster for the team, ownership listens a lot to Presti and from management to staff they all follow his calls now.
Bruh, this is the most positive and longest I’ve seen you talk about my Thunder, thank you 🙏🏻 😭 love the content man! Keep an eye on us in OKC, we’re coming up fast!
First for everyone who says SGA doesn't fit the OKC timeline should jump off a building, second of all the Thunders at this moment are finally showing their worth as a young team. I predicted that OKC may have a similar season to the last year New Orleans Pelicans, where I we see they weren't supposed to be in the play-in tournament via to a small injury to Zion but they did the unthinkable by trading, for Cj McCollum and becoming good enough to make the 8th seed and be in the play in tournament where their rookies show their true value and even made the playoff despite losing the series to the Suns in an impressive 6 games. OKC can produce their future this season in either two ways, 1. They find good veteran/veteran talents through the trade deadline to help build growth in the team and make the play-in tournament or 2. They can shut down SGA and every good talent to tank for a Victor or Scoot. I believe this Thunder team isn't going too bad this year and could take a page out of the last year's New Orleans Pelicans team and go for the sky to show what they're truly made of either way the sky is the limit for OKC!!
Don't care, not reading allat + SGA going back to Canada
@@name028hfjsiwh2 nobody asked for you to read this 😒hater
People saying Shai doesn’t fit the timeline is the funniest shit like if it’s not him then what’s the timeline? I’m sorry he’s 4 years older than your rookie so you gotta trade him? Not every team is the grizzlies you gotta have vets just look at the last 10 finals and let me know which team didn’t have a player playing big minutes over the age of 30 lol
KB love your content Young King. You n the TTW Boys keep me on point. Peace Love and Blessings Fam
As good as the Pacers are looking right now, they've caught teams at the right time and had an easy schedule. The next two months will be WAY tougher than what they've played so far. We'll know better how good they are in January.
If they are .500 Jan 1 that would be decent
As a pacers fan, we have been Mediocre for a long time. I would rather tank and have a 14 percent chance for Vic than continue to be 1st round exits for the next 5 years
Imo the pacers need one more year of being bad to complete the rebuild. Imagine tyrese, bennedict, top 5 pick, jalen smith, and miles turner or another big to replace him
@@mehnamewaffles6050 exactly
As a Pacers fan I really think we need that third piece, whether that is Vic of another potential top 5 pick. Haliburton and Marthurin are gonna be really good and Jackson could be good, but having that third star that can put the ball in the basket is essential for our future.
From a Pacer perspective, I know a lot of us feel frustrated in the never tank culture but look at our past ten years. We were one of the best chances to dethrone Lebron James in his prime with two completely different teams both built without any top ten much less top 3 picks! We have our core for the future with hali and mathurin. I personally say extend turner, trade hield, and play roulette on a good forward with our 3 first rounders next draft. We accomplished the hardest part of a tank in one year so dont look back
THANK YOU FOR TALKIN ABOUT MY PACERS. FINALLYY
Loving the Pokuganda 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I feel okc are legit contenders in 2-3 years.
judging by the improvement, i think the thunder are doing okay. poku has improved A LOT, especially on the defensive end. jdub playing like a veteran player with his decision making (outside of last game lol). some additions like isaiah joe and JRE really help the spacing. when chet is back our center problem will be gone. the only problem is the fit, especially with giddey and dort. they both really have to learn how to shoot if they want to play alongside shai. can judge to quick but i think under chip england the problem will be gone soon
It does not make sense to start tanking for either of those teams. Bottom 3 teams all have equal odds and the odds are not even good anymore
8:05 Nah that’s exactly how you should be thinking about it. Obvious when you have a generational prospect like Victor you should shoot for #1 but a lot of the best players in the league come from outside of the top 10. The biggest example being the back to back MVP Jokic who was drafted in the 2nd round during a commercial break.
Look at Kenny man so inspirational
Great take on Pacers. One thing you must consider is if MYLES wants to stay a Pacer. He can get good value elsewhere and so he’d have to be sold on not only staying on a team that put him on trade blocks for years (but is finally featuring him) but handling maybe less money for what seems maybe an excellent fit. This team is gelling and loving playing with each other apparently in a way that is unique. So it’s a rare possibility culture and opportunity may trump money (a La Jalen Smith) but this is Turner’s big opportunity and for sure Pacers wanted him to shine so it can work out best for everyone - whether he goes and trade value is up or stays and they all agree it’s finally working. He must string together more chunks of consistent game flow to win over some Pacers fans still but with Ty it seems it’s finally going his way. They are also both just good kind humans who do amazing work for the communities so that seems to be a like bond in personality they have. We Pacers like the kindness as a cukture but happy to have some dawg out there in someone and Mathurin is THAT man. Killer instinct is a must from someone tone elite. It is the house Reggie built after all.
As a Pacers fan its nice to see some talent flooding the building. Trading Turner could be the best thing for the future beyond this year depending on where we're at around the deadline.
People mention it already, Lakers might gave Pelicans the 1st pick anyway... OKC should just work on getting their young guys develop and have the right line-up build around Shai
tj mcconnell just plays the game the right way
Pacers have had a soft schedule while Sac has had a really tough schedule and they are playing well for all thing considering. just my 2 cents
Kenny are you going to bring back pack openings I missed them
i say thunder tanks after all star break, just the thought of them with wenbenyama i’d insane
My boy Shai needs to keep winning. Apply pressure
since when did sga’s name get brought up in trade rumors???? he’s been a franchise piece for a while now
FINALLY A THUNDER VIDEO
Facts: TJ McConnell walked so Jose Alvarado could run!
OKC baby we winning the Chip I don’t care whatitdo baybeeee!
Why would the Pacers tank? They have all the pieces to make the playoffs tbh
The Kings are 3rd with a 7 game winning streak and the warriors are playing like shit other than curry, a wild season
Warriors should trade a million picks to get SGA. He fits what they need now!
My dream has come true Kenny talked about the thunder!!
i dont know if Buddy is a good contract to try and get when he only gives you 1 thing and on the defensive end he is horrible.
As a Thunder fan I don’t think there is a need for Poku, Chet, and Vic. I’d say our biggest downside is lack of experience and our Center position (Mike Muscala isn’t it). I think we could benefit greatly from acquiring a vet and investing in a good/ already established center in the league.
Glad to see big ppl talking about pacers
can we get another bulls vid?
Tyrese and Bennedict are going to be a great duo for years
Knox had an even better game tonight, hoping he keeps this newfound confidence up he really looks like a new player out there
If you can trade myles Turner for James wiseman and Jonathan Kuminga and potentially a pick that would be a solid move
Bro GS ain't giving up Kuminga, Weissman, and a pick for Turner. Not even close to that.
@@OKCoolRancher why not bro I don’t think that’s enough lol
@@21cabbage97 if you look at it from a talent perspective you are absolutely right. Turner is way better and playing great this season. When you look at what the GS front office has tried to do, 2 timelines essentially so when Steph, Klay, and Draymond are dwindling the young guys can be the Tim Duncan, Kawhi ala San Antonio. That is the plan in GS, they want Moody, Wiseman, and Kuminga to the be next young core and don't want to trade them. Wiseman was a #2 pick, Kuminga #7, they don't wanna give up on them. If I'm GS I absolutely do that, but I just don't think they want to. Not to mention the cap hit of resigning turner in the off-season would cost triple his salary in a tax hit.
Going for the number one pick would be greedy considering Haliburton and Mathurin can potentially be the best backcourt in the league. We also have all our future picks and 2 extra firsts from Boston and Cleveland to make a move for the right player.
Gotta love poku getting some recognition
I say a team can tater the line between competing and draft a superstar player if they can get a top 5 pick in the process
Kenny was talking bout the kings at the end
I feel like the plan for both team is similar. Play the best basketball you can until all star break. Then depending on your success you choose the direction you'd take for the rest of the season. If you're good enough to make the play offs you continue. If you're not good enough you rest some of your players for a last minute tank, not for Wemby exclusively, but for a better pick in general.
Similar with the vets. If you give the best you got and you are struggling to get in the play in you probably trade them before trade deadline. If you make the play offs you think about trades after the season. This happened with the Thunder in 2020. Everyone thought they would trade CP3, Adams, Schroeder and Gallinari before the deadline, but they were good enough to make the playoffs as a 4 seed and force a game 7 against the rockets. They then traded everyone in the summer when their value was high.
Give Pop another generational big man, and he getting 5 more rings before he retires
t.j.mcconnell was my go-to bench guard in 2k from like 2k16-2k20
it’s interesting you didn’t mention the jazz in this category
Yeah the Thunder don't have to tank they have so many picks from other teams, if they really want somebody a few slots up from where they draft they may be able to package picks to move up anyway.
I'm not gonna throw any teams under the bus, but it's a real PROCESS to develop talent after you draft.
Pacers also have 3 1st round picks and 2 second round picks next year I don't think we're tanking
I think the only teams I wouldn't want to get Vic would be the Hornets primarily, maybe the Wizards and Timberwolves too.
i enjoyed the storytelling way to wrap it up
music in the back threw me off
T.J. McConnell praise is so awesome
I think the thunder are to good to do it but I want em to get the number 1 pick and have a starting lineup of SGA,Giddey,Poku,Chet,Victor! Lmao mfs wouldn't know what to do with that
Pistons have been dealing with injuries all year too
Thunder should honestly either try and get Wemby or use all the treasure chest of first round picks for years and TRADE most of them for Wemby then compete with SGA-Giddey-Poku-Chet-Wemby and then compete finally.
That or they can just get a good pick this year and trade the chest of First round picks and trade for a young star to compete
If a team tanks and gets sent to the g league who gets their pick in the draft? The g league team or the tanking team. And if the tanking team gets it where does the g league get picks
Crazy watching this two years later 😵
Kenny, give a bit of love to Kristaps Porzingis. He's been balling out this season!
W Thunder Vid
Also the culture stuff at the end is real talk! If you dive deep into Thunder media guys and what’s goin on behind the scenes, the culture seems to be solid. They play hard all the time, no one has let their ego get too big, and they have offensive and defensive systems that are real and can evolve. The teams who are at the bottom (spurs, rockets, magic, hornets, pistons), I only trust the spurs culture to fulfill a rebuild
Chet's injury means him and Wemby will be fighting for ROTY. This should be exciting!
Actually, the funny thing is wwe haven't seen very many teams tank in the sense of trying to lose. The Hornets aren't trying to lose, they just can NOT get their guys on the floor. Magic don't look like they're trying to lose, they're just not ready. The Rockets might be the exception cause while I don't think the team is trying to lose - they're judt not that good and their coach is probably the worst in all of basketball - the front office might be, can't think of any other reason their coach still has a job.
But the rest of the league? So far we've seen a lot of teams we thought were set up to tank really come out playing. Thunder, Pacers, Jazz, all playing well, especially the Jazz
What’s up Kenny great video you should do another “talking about every nba team for 1 minute” kind of thing. Keep up the great vids
Waiting for that fifa rebuild
If you can win, win. A good Culture is more important than tanking. I think it’s great for the player development
As a pacers fan I love the current winning culture we’ve built and I like our core as is but it feels like we need one more star if we’re gonna compete for championships so I’m definitely torn.
I think the Thunder should at least try to push for something, their core feels established already and even a early teens lottery pick should be good enough for them. They need complimentary pieces instead of an extended timeline at this point.
Hornets with Lamelo and Victor 🔥
As a pacers fan I don’t know whether to be happy we winning or mad because we might not getting Victor
No need for OKC to tank. They'll get Vic from LA's lottery pick 😂😂
And the Pacers just beat the Nets, I say push and get some playoff experience
Literally everyone wants to trade SGA except the Thunder 🤣 its hilarious
I was fully prepared for him to start talking shit about OKC but it's fair. it's year 3 of the rebuild and the pieces are definitely coming together and you see it on the court. now is just the process of development and seeing which lineups work and which players will be here longterm. I don't think anyone outside of the tank happy fans really thought we'd be at the bottom of the west. most thought it would be a 12 seed. probably walk away with a top 7-10 pick with Chet returning
I genuinely believe that the pacers are going to make the play in, feel like Rick and the owners are going to make sure they are trying to win games even with the Victor stakes
Last years thunder roster was younger than the Oklahoma Sooners. The Sooners. A college team