Why Palpatine Slowly Destroyed the LEGACY of Darth Bane (CRITICAL MISTAKE)
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Know this: Your apprentice _will_ kill you. If this fact frightens you, then the Sith Order has already suffered a fatal infection.
-Darth Bane
Could it perhaps be that Bane’s “Rule of Two” was itself inherently at odds with the Sith nature?
It is worth remembering that the Sith DID exist for a very long time before he showed up.
It was, but Bane preferred the idea of two very powerful Sith to a larger army of weaker ones. It is the nature of the Dark Side to inspire ambition and conflict. This is why Sith Lord tend to erupt, only to flame out because they get betrayed by their subordinates.
@ That preference made perfect sense when the Rule of Two was implemented.
The Sith had been nearly destroyed and so the Ro2 ensured that they would survive by being too small to notice. Once the Galactic Republic came under Sith control, however, that benefit had run its course, and its most glaring flaw began to appear: It only takes one egomaniac to end the entire Sith philosophy and culture. Palpatine was so obsessed with himself that he set into motion the end of everything Darth Bane had sought to preserve.
@ - True. A lot of fans have noticed that the Rule of Two strategy was lacking something important - what were the Sith supposed to do if they actually succeeded?!
Bane's plan kind of left that open for a hypothetical future victorious Sith Lord to figure out. Of course, Palpatine cared little about the Sith as an institution, just like he didn't care about the Republic/Separatists/Empire. It was all about *HIM* and so once he had the power he simply did as he pleased and used these organizations as tools.
The rule of two was destin to end because each dark lord of the Sith would have a greater ego and believe that they didn't need or want an apprentice as happened with Siddious.
You dont understand and cant comprehend how it works in reality, infantile.
bane failed to factor in a siths ego😊
I disagree
TSW also says that the point of the RO2 is that master and apprentice will continue to push each other to greater power
Sidious however reduces his apprentice which betrays the ro2
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bane failed to realise that sith are inherently self destructive and could never maintain such a collective purpose.
To be a Jedi is inherently selfless, to surrender the individual for the collective. To be Sith is inherently selfish, to exalt the individual at the expense of the collective.
Bane was a wise and great Sith, but he failed to understand that there would eventually be Sith who would cause everything to be ruined. It was inevitable.
Yep u can't expect a selfish person to put anything above themselves especially the dark side
@@Specimin6 it’s surprising he made such a obvious fundamental error
@MLaak86 he got his philosophy from revan, he wasn't as smart or wise as people think he was. revan was one of the only truly wise sith. he recognised the obvious problem, but he didn't care to address it because he knew it would only be temporary due to sith nature. he was only sith due to brainwashing anyway, so when that was removed he easily saw the flaws of the the sith and never joined them again (canonically)
@@kuunt6065Funny how the wisest Sith seem to decide the wisest course of action is to leave the Sith.
Bane was very pragmatic with the Rule of Two as he probably realized no other philosophy will be used as successfully as his own, and considering that the Rule of Two succeeded at achieving their revenge against the Jedi and the Republic perhaps he was right.
Darth Bane: You're a disgrace, Sidious. This behavior makes you unworthy of the Sith Order.
Palpatine: I AM the Sith!
Darth Bane: Not anymore.
I always thought of Palpatine as the ultimate foil to the Sith since he's the one who basically continued the rule of 2 but then created an empire where all those problematic sith traits were rewarded that the rule of 2 was supposed to help deal with.
This logic would be wrong, as Palpatine routinely replaced his apprentices so they would remain subservient to him without being in danger of being replaced himself It is completely contradictory to the RO2, which is why previous Sith didn't view him as a true Sith. Sith were supposed to constantly improve, and Palpatine's inability to view himself as replaceable stifled the "growth" that Sith pursued. He is the reason the line ended with him in canon.
You r dumm.b i,mbecil fanboy of palpa who has no his own brain to understand this. Only now you realize what palpa is pathetic coward and traitor
@@decepticonxhunter4850Quite true. Palpatine initially joined the Sith as a means to an end. To achieve ultimate power over the citizens of the galaxy. Under the tutelage of Darth Plagueis, Sidious sought to perfect his Force connection and ability, and learn all he could about the Sith before him to avoid their failings. Eventually, it grew to the point where Sidious believed he was the apex of the Rule of 2. And that if, however unlikely, he was usurped of his power, the galaxy as a whole should suffer for it.
I suppose Sidious was right all along. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it".
Wrong. Palpatine was a sith worm.
I always *LOVE* hearing about Darth Bane. I'm actually listening to Book 1 of the Darth Bane Trilogy and he's basically the perfect exemplar of the Sith way, both as a scholar and as a warrior. This is notable even down to his bladework with a combination of Forms III and V, in effect, defending even while attacking at full force. Pragmatism in search of strength.
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I think Bane would be more disappointed in the lack of eye shadow the modern Sith apply
His appearance was supposedly because of toxic fumes he inhaled while working as a miner prior to joining the Sith.
It wasn’t even the Dark Side that made the dude look like a goth corpse, just a lack of space-OSHA compliance in the workplace.
He was probably not hyped when Maul got destroyed
The Rule of Two always seemed rather risky to me. What if the apprentice tried to overthrow their master, only for both of them to be fatally wounded in the attempt? Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep because he was uncertain that he could win an actual fight against him. Plus, given the scale of the powers that would be used in such a duel, would Palpatine have been able to do it on Coruscant without blowing his own secret identity?
Not risky at all. It worked for hundreds of years, and the sith only died out after Palatine's selfish and greedy ways betrayed the rule of Two's philosophy.
@@watchmesquatch - That was almost coincidence more than anything. Sure, the Sith existed during that time. But they did so in hiding. Resulting in less aggressive Sith who had to restrain themselves to avoid discovery by the Jedi. But one maverick could have caused the Rule of Two Sith to fail. Heck, in some cases one spaceship being destroyed could have wiped out the Sith!
Darth bane, in my opinion, is the most thrilling character. I enjoyed his trilogy the most. I love how he embodies shier hulking power, but together with a deep wisdom and understanding of the people around him. It might also be possible, that noone else killed that many force wielders at once ever again. Can't confirm this one though.
Also: imagine a fight between a Prime Bane with his orbelisk armor vs Sidious. I would pay money to see this
Tulak Horde massacred many at once and literally never lost even fighting many. On top of that he massacred many sith with little to no problem minus getting backstabbed
It is true that the rule of 2 meant for constant growth for every generation. However, you said it in your video, that would require a level of altruism within them. Altruism and Sith DO not go together for the vast majority of Sith. Bane may had some good ideas but altruism, a light side trait, is anathema to the Dark Side.
From rule of 2 to the rule of Sidious
To nothing. Because Sidious ruined the sith's legacy forever with his selfish Greed.
To an extent the RoT was as inherently flawed and short sighted as any other approach the Sith have taken - given Bane's idealism somehow blinding him to this possibility, in fact it's surprising it took so long for several Sith to get carried away with the 'I'm keeping power" aspect of things.
Nah. The sith only died out because of Palpatine being a greedy little foreskin.
It's Ironic that Revan's own master would make the mistake of training more than one apprentice. Revan's holocron was likely created before that happened and yet he predicted the outcome of his own master's choice.
3:57 That quote kind of justified things like the inquisitors, weaklings and tools that are hardly worthy of killing Jedi much less anything more. But Sidious lost the point when it came to those like Maul and Ventress, who had potential. They were treated as fake apprentices, similar to the inquisitors but given more, rather than being seen for their true potential as potentail successors. Darth Bane left behind a good example of what to do in this situation. He did so with how he trained Darth Cognus, where the perspective student would receive some training to show their potential while making them loyal to the ways of the Sith. Eventually accepting their fate, that whoever won between the master and current apprentice would be their new master going forward. This was in line with his view of the Sith Order's evolution, only the most worthy shall rule and the rest must be culled or groomed to take on the mantle further down the line. All for the sake of making the Sith more powerful. Palpatine killing Plagueis in his sleep would have been viewed as Plagueis's own fault for not seeing it coming and stopping it. Plaguis clearly chose the wrong student for this, the same is true for a fair amount of the later Sith lords. Slowly, over time, these apprentices would further taint the order's lineage.
From my point of view, Plagueis destroyed the rule of two..
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Delusional
Do a discussion video on what you guys think Padme would say to Luke and Leia if she was around in someway and the rest of her family afterwards like Mara Jade Skywalker and the rest of the Skywalker’s and do a video on Mara Jade’s power story and how she fell in love with Luke and her relationship to other Characters
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Can you do a vid on the differences between sith philosophy over the ages ???
Also, what is the grand plan and who started it???
In the words a wise person and one which Darth Bane would react if he had the power of Clairvoyance -
D'OH!!!!
To be fair, Tulak Hord only had one Apprentice and he betrayed his Master and killed him. I wouldn't say Palpatine was wrong, all it takes is one extra selfish Sith to ruin everything.
It's because there was nobody that could beat him on the dark side. Had Vader not burned hed be dead 10 years later. There was no other but luke and he wouldn't turn . Rey isn't even Lucas so hard to say any Disney is cannon.
He was wrong.
The Sith’s own corruption and Palpatine’s selfish ambition was his undoing. The choosing one fulfilled the Jedi prophecy..
Bane would be disgusted of Sidious's selfishness
Older sith were disgusted by Banes greed to.
@goddessomai9177 The brotherhood of darkness was weak and dragging the darkside down with them
@@goddessomai9177 nope. Stop making up BS cause you're a fan of a shriveled prune of a man. 😂
The irony is Darth Sidious was very devoted to Bane's Rule of Two, calling it the first and only reality of the Sith.
Probably 2 different sources.
Bane was an interesting Sith in that he was selflessly selfish. He had no problem dying for the cause if it was HIS cause. HIS philosophy. He trained his apprentice, Zannah, from childhood, and she grew up to embody his ideals, and he even had a hand in choosing her apprentice Darth Cognus. Of course, after Bane, and all those that knew him were dead, the Sith started to change. Cognus' own apprentice turned against the rule of two and fled in fear of his master, she found another, but it set a dangerous precedence. After that, the Sith began the slow evolution that led to Sidious. If Sidious had completed Vader's training, burned or not, I don't think that even Luke would have turned him back. Emperor Vader, as a fully trained Sith Lord might have turned either Luke or Leia to the dark side and continued the line, but since Sidious never intended that, Bane's victory faded after a mere two decades.
He didn't want Dooku as an apprentice he referred to him as a tool/weapon while the lose of maul was great
Darth Bane was a bit optimistic in his hopes that he could start an order of self absorbed power hungry sociopaths and keep them on track with what he wanted
Bane: The rule of two is needed
Palpatine: Yolo
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Awesome!
Bane also tried the Rule of One. In the final chapter of the final book he started a ritual to take over the body of his apprentice.
And it's his way to achieve the ultimate goal of the Sith; cheat death and become immortal.
We all know Jedi and Sith are opposites. Jedi allow themselves to be used by the force and rejoice death, to be one with the force.
Sith bend the Force to their will and see death as the final chain that needs to be broken in order to be free.
The rule of Two is a method to achieve victory against the Jedi but also a means to an end to achieving immortality. That's why we saw Palpatine create clones and why Vader was slowly changed from apprentice to enforcer, like Maul.
We see this Rule of One in all Sith stories where a Sith found a way to immortality. Never in those stories you meet an apprentice, only the master because there's no need for an apprentice to carry on the research.
Egotism destroys everything. A controlled ego is the only way. Pain, suffering that is training. Gained power is the result and purpose. By breaking the law of 2, his ego effectively killed the sith and potential empire (the eternal of course). The Jedi will find this amusing for future generations of Jedi. I really wish they did this ( some of the comics) rather than the crap we got. Love seasons 1 and two of the mandalorian. I didn’t get to see anymore. Never seen Kenobi, though I did see the fight between Vader and Kenobi. Badass. That’s the Star Wars I remember as a kid.
Great video. I would line up right now for a movie done about Bane. One of THE best book series ever!
Me too, the Bane Trilogy is a masterpiece!
The Rule Of Two worked well for ploting against the jedis and the Republic, but ultimatly it is uncompatible with a longstanding stable empire
I was always curious about this
If i was a sith lord and my apprentice challenge me... Yesss come i have taught you everything you know... BUT I HAVEN'T TAUGHT YOU EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW.
I think the rule of 2 was always destined to get watered down. I view it as a game of telephone with the messaging and purpose continuously diluting over time.
I do this a lot, but I think we are even giving to much credit to the vaunted Darth Bane. He wasn't some idealist who accepted that his vision was great, but he wasn't. Even he, who claim "one who can't accept that their death will come, and the one they created to supplant them WOULD supplant them, for the better of the ideal" wussed out, and allowed his own bloated opinion of himself press him into trying essence transfer. Even he, the one who came up with the idea, still thought he should also be rhe ultimate one to see it through, even though the very way he designed it demanded that definitely he, even if nobody else, would have to come up short, and just pass on his knowledge to a newer, better practitioner. Even he was that self-absorbed, so it's odd he wouldn't expect other to be trapped by their own greatness...or delusions of grandeur.
You know what I still don't understand about Jedi, Sith and just force users in general....
Why don't they fly?
They can levitate and manipulate matter and even energy, telekinesis is so versatile, and yet every time we see them use the force it's always the same...pushing each other, pulling things or crushing them.
That scene with Qui Gon and Anakin when they were in the desert walking for miles...Why not just fly using the force? We've seen the stronger force users hold star ships in place, suspend humanoids in the air and push/throw objects.
Why not just use the force to fly? It's a practical application that could help out in so many situations.
I mean really, that's not even the craziest idea, Palps was using the force in all sorts of ways with his Sith alchemy, is flying such a huge stretch of the imagination? Plus it would be such an asset. That colosseum scene in Attack of the Clones, just fly away. Jedi were getting cut down all over the place, and Anakin was freed. Just block the incoming fire like you always do...but as you're all flying away.
I would not say slowly. All the rest did that before him, he just finished the job, deleting the rule of two.
Sith are how i justify it to be cruel (just evil as palpatine or pragmatic just as revan/kreia) but the dark side is an means to an end without fuel the fire does not burn.
The rule of two is a great way to make each generation stronger, more deceitful, more opportunistic etc than the one before. But it also dooms tje order the second both of them die at the same time. My personal idea that I'm using in a rpg right now is the rule of twos: The same principle, but more than one master each with one apprentice. Like the time when the roman empire had an emperor for tje east and one for the west, each in turn having a co-emperor below them
I would rebuttal that a sudden change in emperor via assassination wouldn't have created the most stable Empire over the, long term. So perhaps Palpatine's enteral rule would have been more politically stable for the Empire than a random change in Emperor at any moment.
This is completely true. Sad for Bane. He had good idea. Despite of everything. Others were megalomaniacs who didn't care about Rule of Two and Sith Order. Everything you say is true. Palpatine completely broke it. May the Force be with you too😊
Bane wasn't wrong... but he was also entirely presumptuous to believe that future generations of the Sith Order would be faithful to the ideology of the Rule of Two, as he envisioned and decreed it.
It's the same with any code or religion or doctrine or creed, all of which come and go as the generations pass by, with new information added and old information subtracted, to the point where the idea becomes completely unrecognizable from its conception, even if the basic idea is maintained.
The Dark Side can corrupt, but as certain dark side factions have proven, there can be a symbiotic relationship between it and those who wield it. The Sith however have never been symbiotic with the Dark Side, but rather their relationship with it has always been parasitic.
Those who devote themselves to the Order of the Sith do so for the sake of power, which itself is the purpose and goal of all true Sith. But 'power' is a generic term that can be interpreted in many ways, such as power over a person, a group, a civilization, the power of wealth, the power of fear, glory, conquest, and so on. But such views of 'power' are what lead to corruption in the Sith, as the individuals who join or serve the Sith have their own ideas of what power is and how they might achieve it through the Dark Side.
Tenebris, Plagueis, Sidious, these three, as well as Dooku, all planned to do away with the Rule of Two once the Sith had claimed the galaxy for themselves, out of the arrogant belief that it would have served its purpose and thus become irrelevant and obsolete, not understanding, or worse disregarding the notion that Bane meant for his decree to be an eternal one.
Again however, Bane was foolish to think those who came after him would be faithful to what he envisioned for the Rule of Two and the Sith Order. Nothing lasts forever. The Sith accused the Jedi of their failure to change and grow and evolve out of dogmatic arrogance, but the Sith of the Rule of Two era, especially in the times leading to their inevitable downfall, were just as arrogant, if not more so.
Tenebris thought he could rule forever by defying the will of the Force.
Plagueis dismissed the "mysticism" of the Force and believed his scientific mind could unravel the mysteries of the midi-chlorians and achieve true immortality.
Sidious, or rather Palpatine, was a consummate megalomaniac who only used the Sith philosophy to justify (in his own twisted mind) his right to rule absolutely, and eternally.
All three of them defied the Rule of Two both in practicality and philosophically out of the hubris that they could rise and become immortal rulers of the galaxy.
The one time I thot Palpatine was a true believer in the Rule of Two was when he was faced by Yoda, and declared to the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order "Darth Vader will become more powerful than ether of us", sounding like he relished the very idea of his apprentice becoming even greater than himself. Like he even would have welcomed the day when Vader overthrew him... until he saw Vader, broken, ruined, scarred upon Mustafar and deemed his prized pupil a failure, damaged goods, a disappointment.
That, I think, was what cemented the idea in Palpatine's mind that he should rule as the one true Sith for all of eternity, becuz he felt he deserved it, that he was entitled to it, that it was his destiny.
Thus any semblance of the Rule of Two died completely in Sidious's mind, with Vader's futile plans and attempts otherwise ultimately amounting to nothing... except for when Vader, redeemed by his son and returned to being Anakin, successfully destroyed Sidious, and then decades later Palpatine was vanquished once and for all by his granddaughter Rey, ending the Sith at long last with his final death.
Bane had a vision... and for a time, it worked. But overtime, the vision was skewed, poisoned, disregarded, and ultimately perverted and completely discarded by the ultimate disappointment that was Palpatine.
And what of the Legends continuity? In that timeline, I might be remembering it wrong but, Palpatine had clones of himself made so that through his Sith rituals he can make his soul possess one of them at time. Granted those sorts of stories were made by different authors putting their own two cents on the galaxy far far away, but what can you do?
Speaking honestly... in my opinion, the Rule of Two was doomed form the start.
Darth Bane - despite _everything_ he'd been through - somehow managed to underestimate the selfishness inherent in the Sith philosophy.
The Rule of Two lasted as long as it did, because the selfishness of each Sith prior to Tenebrous' Master manifested - at least in part - in a desire for a _legacy._
But the moment this wasn't true, the Rule of Two started to degrade. Until Sidious abandoned it almost entirely.
If you had a truely smart Sith Lord, they would have multiple apprentices. That Sith Lord would make sure the apprentices would constantly be pitted amongst each other. Always craving power and believing no other can be trusted except for the master.
The Rule of Two, while theoretically brilliant, was at odds with the nature of the Dark Side and it's usual practitioners. Many turn to the Dark Side for inherently selfish reasons. Expecting *ALL* his successors to be driven by the cause instead of by greed, fear, vainglory and other selfishness was a fault in the plan he failed to fully consider.
Sidious was a heretic. Selfish, weak...not worthy of the title Darth. Bane was no doubt disgusted. Sidious was weak, and his downfall was forseen...Darth Bane =Sithari.
Keep up the great work bruddah, may the force be with you
He was correct in limiting in fighting, but he should've secured a successor to continue the rule of one. Only one sith in charge of tools of the dark side
This presents an interesting theory, if vader had succeeded palpatine, gained more power, and continued the lineage. Imagine in 100 years how powerful 2 sith could have been… they’d be able to do unimaginable things
I don't think the Rule of Two was perfect. The way the Sith worship power and ambition, they were bound to make the mistakes especialy whe one Sith became so succsesful he became blinded by his ego like most real life empire builders.
Seems like a personal problem, not a philosophy problem. 😊
Honestly, it's pretty much impossible for the rule of two to have ever been completely successful the way Darth Bane thought it would. Especially when there are human Sith that are overly ambitious in the long run. There are certain species on races in Star Wars that could actually hold the discipline necessary to achieve such a goal in the long run. In theory it could work the way Bane wanted it to, but the likelihood is extremely low of a success rate. Especially when you factor in the levels of ambition people have with great power.
I do have trouble understanding the philosophy of Bane from the perspective of someone who would choose to be a Sith. If you want to become more powerful at any cost and the Dark Side respects ambition, shouldn't you be trying to live forever and ultimately become some sort of god? Time spent teaching your apprentice anything they don't need to complete the tasks you assign them is time you could have spent on yourself.
This is the paradox that every Sith Lord faces. They are all arrogant and hypocritical. They all believe in the rule of 2 to begin with until the time comes to actually follow it through. Every Sith master tries to live forever and it’s usually at that time that they all fail and get defeated.
The rule of two serves the master to gain more power along with the apprentice in secret, the master has less rivals and survives longer when there is only one other threat to his power, likewise an apprentice only has his master to deal with in gaining said power, it works in both their favour more than it works against them but inevitably the more power they gain the more they crave it and fear losing it and like all things, in time the original plan or purpose gets corrupted by the arrogance and ambitions of the unworthy
You think like Darth Sidious. Darth Sidious caused the extinction of the Sith with that same thought process. Maybe watch the movies. Maybe pay attention. Maybe you'll learn something. 😊
@watchmesquatch If I became a Sith, it would be because I thought the Sith Order and the Dark Side should serve me, not the other way around.
Many people don’t see the unintended reality behind the rule of two. The Jedi believed to maintain balance in the force you must practice the light side to seek that balance. This was an incorrect assumption. When anakin meets the living embodiments of the force they tell him both light and dark are necessary to maintain the balance and it is the habit of the dark side to grow unchecked and it is the responsibility of the light side to maintain balance and become that check. When the rule of two was introduced this check was now made by the dark side itself meaning now the Jedi were growing unchecked. The Jedi caused the imbalance in the force and order 66 brought it back. Anakin brought balance to the force as it was foretold. After order 66 there remained a very close number of Jedi to Sith and wether you agree with it or not the empire actually brought an era of peace, prosperity, and security to a majority of the galaxy. Things only ever get rough when the Jedi try and recover their ranks during and after the fall of the empire. Most of the sith are gone and as the Jedi add to their numbers the imbalance happens again. This is why Luke’s school failed.
I want to point out something tsw said
2 things actually
" The sith were tired of hiding their true nature while ruling from the shadows
"Banes rule of 2 demands the sith believe in a higher cause than their own glory
Both point out how sidious is not a sith
Sidious actively surpressed knowledge of the fact that the galaxy was ruled by a sith but instead just" the emperor, continuing to rule in the shadows
In fact, the only sith allowed to be known of is vader who in his heart is actually a jedi and was championed as such by palpatine
Which seems like a huge dis to the sith imo
the statement at the start was exactly what is wrong with the rule of 2, warriors commanding the forces of nature into politicians. all politicians and oligarchs use power and money to destroy rivals and the moniker of sith from that point on only denoted who the rivals are and how badly they wanted to destroy them, not even requiring them to dip a toe into force use or martial skill. the rule of 2 was flawed from the start, even in the ideal situation with every successive generation small pieces of info/power would be lost in a forgotten book or teaching or a simple understanding of a fundamental to one is something that another may need to be taught, wish so few practicing the order would decay into nothing eventually.
I've always said that palpatine knows damn well maul will NEVER be as powerful this he'd never have overthrown him. Lol.
If Palpatine planned to be the only sith, then technically, he wouldn't be a master of anything. How ironic, as wasn't it him who said that a sith without an apprentice is the master of nothing!
Post scriptum- I didn’t mean to say that twice 😂
Can somebody tell me what the background music is called? Tried to find it for ages
Banes rule of two was very far from the best way. It was simply his own misguided understanding of Revans teaching which I think is simply pick one and train him well while using the rest as tools to solve problems. With out the sith council, a single ruler or ten's of thousand's of sith to move a plan the Jedi had it easy.
I agree. However I do believe If things went a little differently then The rule of 2 would’ve no longer been needed.
If Anakin didn’t burn and he killed Obi Wan Palpatine would trained Anakin more why Anakin Raised his children.
When Anakin would’ve killed Palpatine he would’ve taken Anakin as a host and from then on Palpatine’s rule of 1 would’ve worked. The only threat Would’ve been Luke and Leia together if they both reached their full potential. But by then He would’ve Cracked the code on Cloning and would make each Clone of Anakin more powerful then the next.
At this point the force would be in a panic as its plan to bring balance failed.
It would’ve most likely started making more and more powerful Force users and also Creating Dyads that Palpatine would force drain and train these force users to serve him. But with his host body Being many times more powerful then a Full potential Anakin not even Abeloth would stand a chance. Heck idk if WBW father Anakin would stand a chance.
The universe would fall under Palpatine’s rule the balance broken He would start moving towards the multiverse his hunger for control never ending.
What if palpatine took a legitimate apprentice and stuck to the rule of 2?
Palpatine broke it alright.
Bane was among the wiser of sith but was ignorant of revans wisdom
The ro2 was the path to power but in becoming the antithesis of the jedi, the ro2 sith kept the jedi true to their cause
Revans teachings ultimately brought balance
Let’s gooooooooooo!!!!!!❤
What was the Personal lightsaber style of Canon General Grievous?
I believe Sith would very much be toppled if they kept Bane's philosophy.
I always thought that the rule of two was implemented only for one purpose - to hide from the Jedi and the Galaxy. If there were only two Sith in the entire galaxy at the time, it would be much easier to escape notice for hundred years or even millenia. But I also thought that the plan always was to end the rule of two once the Sith again exposed themselves to the galaxy and toppled the Jedi.
But if the plan was to always continue the rule of two even after that, than I think it exposes how stupid the plan always was.
In fact, I would think it was always very risky. If there are alwys going to be only two Sith at any one time, it's very easy for the entire Sith lineage and philosophy to easily vanish from the galaxy by an accident, betrayal or being discovered. Not to mention that the hiring practices of the Sith mixed with the Sith impulsive nature and predisposition door satisfying their own dark desires above others, that's not a mindset that is good to keep traditions. So even if the Sith didn't accidentally kill themselves over this millenia, it was always very lucky that they managed to retain their history and knowledge for so long, when the individuals who absolutely needed to keep and pass those traditions were unstable from their very nature.
How did they even pass history and knowledge to the next generation? Did the Sith master always carry a library with them? Did they always shred this library with their one student? If yes, then the student could have offend them prematurely. If not, than parts of the complete knowledge would always be lost in every new generation.
They wouldn't be getting stronger over time. They'd be getting weaker.
Bane thought that limitation to only one student will prevent multiple weak students to kill one strong master. But that's such academic was of thinking, that will not work in the real world. Because once the Sith are known to exist in the galaxy, especially if they rule it, then this need of the Sith to isolate themselves from other Sith does nothing for them in terms of their survivability. Because it's not just the Sith who will want to kill them. It will be many people from across the galaxy. And Bane made a very stupid miscalculation in his philosophy, by supposing that only a Sith can kill another Sith. And that every single time that happens, the remaining Sith survives and successfully finds a new apprentice and successfully teaches him everything. If there is a single loss in this entire process, the Sith are gone forever. Especially considering that they were so secretive that nobody else has their knowledge. And that the Jedi themselves remove their knowledge from the history books.
Under these conditions, it was a miracle that the Sith lineage even survived this long. Their secrecy greatly contributed to that. Though as I said, this secrecy was a double edged sword. Yeah, it eliminated a lot of people from trying to end the Sith. But it also created conditions that would make it next to impossible for the Sith to ever return if two Sith died at any point. So luck was a major factor that kept the Sith going for so long.
Kinda the big flaw of the rule of two if the current master decides he doesn't give a fuck then there's really no consequences for it in the plaguis novel it was even noted that few sith actually honored it
The rule of two was bound to be broken. With each passing generation, the lords cared less and less about THE SITH and more about themselves. Unless they were indoctrinated to beleive that THE SITH was a higher concept that should be upheld at all costs, they would eventually just the see the order as a way to empower themselves.
Observing from this angle, one might contemplate that Bane was somewhat naive and too optimistic.
To be fair, Plapatine did not have any good candidates for continuing the rule of two after Revenge of the A Sith. Vader was too physically damaged and politically inept to carry the Sith legacy anf rule as emperor if Sidious died. At the same time, he was also too powerful for a new apprentice to defeat him and take his place. The rule of two only became feasible to be reinstated when Luke Skywalker entered the picture, as he was the only one with enough potential to replace either of them.
Greed is eternal ! Bain should have known better
As cool as the sith are from the outside perspective; they're nothing but a bunch of internet edge lords who finally got an audience but messed it for themselves. The order cannabalized itself through lack of introspection and self-awareness.
Rule of two is a complete joke. It failed at the first rung with Bane, who withheld knowledge from his apprentice, then got shitty about her not challenging him and decided to essence transfer his way to victory. How many instances were there of actual duels making sure the most powerful Sith was the master? Plagueis killed his master in a rock cave in, Palpatine killed him after getting him drunk. Its was all bullshit self delusion and a recipe to lose what little knowledge remained that the Sith had spent millennia developing.
I think the eternal ro2 was perfect
I actually blame plagius
It was him that told palpatine they were beyond the rule of two
And failed to recognize the monster he made when he tipped the balance and his foolishness in being killed like his he did his own master
If you really think about it Bane was a weak idiot that got lucky but because of this he destroyed the Sith with his rules. Never to actually last long for any amount of time compared to the old ways.
Bane rule of 2... hide for a millennium then wipe out the jedi and rule the galaxy...for less than 3 decades....so worth it....then the jedi return after a fashion
Day 743 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Darth Sidious is perhaps the best and worst sith to ever be introduced in the rule of 2. Like Plaugis before him, he suffered the same obsessive tendencies that crippled the order.
I don't think it would've continued because of their pride
I always woundered if during the rule of palp what was happening to babies born force sensitive
I got to ask. Your videos are always the same but with different narration. Do you know how to make different videos?
Violating the rule of 2 was by no means a Palpatine thing. It seems that every single Sith Master we have been able to learn of, broke it in one way or another. From training multiple apprentices, to planning to live forever, etc. Palps, Plagueis, & Tenebrous all did it. Even Bane himself, with essence transfer, and his apprentice was Zanna, taking on an apprentice while she was still one herself.
the difference with what bane did was for preservation of the order when zana was perceived to be breaking it. she had not challenged him in years and bane was worried she was going to wait for him to weaken which was against the rule of 2 which saw the student surpass and slay the master in open combat.
tenebrous and all the others intended on keeping themselves alive to rule. while bane was trying to keep the rule alive itself not his rule specifically.
@ - I understand that, and to a certain extent I agree with his original reason for looking into the practice, but he still violated it.
Besides, his very last action before being killed by his apprentice, was to attempt to transfer his essence into her.
THAT was a clear breaking of his rule of 2, and can’t be blamed on anything but his desire to survive and continue as the Master.
Expect Palatine's selfishness actually caused the extinction of the sith. He's a true loser.
@@watchmesquatch - Yes, all of the other Sith Masters were foiled/killed by their apprentices before they could end the line of Bane.
Then again. That’s also what happened to Sidious, but his apprentice died as well. 🤔
Ironic.
Palpatine, hiding in the shadows for the rest of his life like the other Siths. HELL NO!! My boy got things to see and people to do.
Also. Are you telling me that Vitiate and Palpatine, 2 psychopaths are the downfall of the Sith?
Speaking of downfall. The Sith that reigned for centuries are failures in comparison to the rules 2's that hid in the shadows and the one that reigned for 20 years?
Like lose his empire in the most embarrassing way possible after looking like a walking foreskin for 3 movies. 😂😂😂 He's the weakest sith master in all of star wars. Sorry, bud, he lit ruined the sith with his greedy, selfish ways.
Are they Sith or Highlanders? "There can be only One"
All Sith all the time is getting tiresome.
Sideous never cared about the legacy of the sith he was selfish and he had alotnof in fighting he betrayed Ventress and instead of welcoming Maul he was a bitter old fool and a coward when he saw Maul actually progressing with his teaching....Sideous wants to be above everyone so the rule of two would have to die in his mind...
I think the rule of two truly ended with Palpatine because Vader was not fit to rule even if he didn't turn back to the light. Vader is and forever will be a sith warrior, not a ruler.
What if Palpatine just reveals the inherant flaw with the rule of 2.
The rule of 2 is meant to gather, focus, and pass down darkside enegy from one generation of sith to the next via the apprentice overthrowing the master.
Eventually, the collation of power within the Master will become so great that the apprentice can never hope to overthrow the master and survive.
Incorrect, as the master teaches the student, so the student becomes just as powerful, until they surpass the master. Do you even understand the Rule of Two's purpose? 😂
@@watchmesquatch Except for all the knowledge that the master kept from their apprentice right? Like how Palpatine was never taught the secret of the Midichlorians by Plagueis. And Plagueis was never taught the secret of Maxichlorians created by Tenebrous. And Zannah was never taught secret of essence transfer by Bane.
Wow, turns out in the actual stories the Sith don't actually teach there apprentices anything past the underlining philosophy of the Sith and how to make yourself 'attractive' to the dark side and force their apprentices to learn the deeper mysteries by discovering it themselves. After Palpatine kills Plagueis, he literally criticizes him for this: "sharing some of his knowledge but withholding his most powerful secrets, [...]".
The rule of two has very little to do with knowledge, it's about cultivating and passing down raw force 'power' generationally.
If it was about knowledge like you suggest, then killing your master with cunning and trickery would be the single worst and looked down upon thing you could ever do for the grand plan. The only reason to resort to cunning and trickery is because the apprentice is not as or more powerful then the master. If power is derived from passed down knowledge then whenever a weaker apprentice kills their master with cunning it removes whatever knowledge was left to be learned and undermines the entire purpose of the Rule of Two.
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Sidious most definitely ruined the sith permanently with his selfish greed.
The Rule of Two was an absurdly stupid idea. 1, how does one dominate a society with only two people? 2, if two are in the same place at the same time and a disaster happens, poof, the Sith are gone. 3, you don't know which student will be successful. Imagine if instead of hundreds of scientists, lawyers, doctors whichever, that get trained and ya hope one or two of them think of a great idea to move the profession forward, you are stuck with a single student and you have to hope they don't end up the drug addict stoner student? lol
Heretical? I mean the rule of 2 was basicly formed by the ravings of a schizophrenic with multiple personalities with underlying anger issues named Reven and he is the most contradictory character ever penned for science fiction. Bane was at best a sociopathic predator with the heart of a serial life ender. No the rule of 2 was never sacred nor even a rule it was however a notion that could never be sustained.
Seriously brother you, dash and theory are the oasis in the desert when it comes to star wars content with the "legends" material. Disney will never be my canon.
the rule of 2 is effective on paper but the sith are selfish so it was doomed to eventualy to crumble
Darth Krayt had it down better The One Sith kicked ass
Pretty dumb idea tbh. That's also Sidious's philosophy and he's the reason the sith are extinct. 😂
The rule of two is flawed because it requires Sith to deal in absolutes….. just kidding. The rule of two is flawed because the Sith with exception of a few are all power hungery it is in their nature. The Sith will use whatever they can to gain more power twisting it to their own ends. The rule of could never fully come to fruition with the Sith
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