The debate for 2 Ducks vs 2 Sabrinas you had on stream is so interesting to me, because of the matchup table of this deck being so vast. Glad you settled with 2 ducks, really is the best choice having the 6th basic.
This deck list is super fun. I've tried it but with some changes as i don't have 2nd Misty so i placed 2nd Sabrina instead. I've also replaced X-speed for a Potion as X-speed seems to be only useful if we get it early on and don't have our evolutions, while potion can fix the 20 damage you may have received any time. Both cards have their uses i just felt like x-speed is pointless later on and i kinda didn't like that. Misty is also nice early on for potential surprise hit but Sabrina can be crucial if all you have are lumineons and can't hit active pokemon, so... overall the changes i made felt good enough to make this deck list still work well.
I always look at the decks you make, play them for 5 games, and then watch your full video, I feel it getms a more rounded insight into the deck itself. Enjoying the deck so far, a little bit more fragile than I am used to, but I think I am getting the grasp of maneuvering the stage 1s around
21:30 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't have using the Starmie on the Mew and then energy on the Lumineon have been lethal? Is there an opponent's out that he's playing around that I'm not considering?
This is now my favourite deck! I used to play it without Misty cause I didn't like the Misty RNG but it feels good in this deck since most of the time you just want her to hit 1 heads rather than multiple like in Blastoise or Gyarados decks. Love your Pokemon Pocket content and regularly try out your decks. Thanks!
Looks like a good deck, but sadly Starmie is the Ex that still eludes me. Hoping that when trading arrives I can fix this as I have more than 2 of most other Exs.
Watched the stream and have been playing around with this deck for the last week, thanks for highlighting it! I’m not sure if you’ve tried this variation or not, but I ended up dropping the second duck and adding a single pokeflute for another win condition after watching you play Victreebel. It really only makes a difference later in matches but it helps pick up an easy last prize point if your opponent manages to keep pace.
Man.... I saw that 2 mistake a mile a way and screamed.... Never ever underestimate how Brock Ramps insanely fast with that God draw... Losing due to the 2nd Misty bail out and not drawing his only Gio made my heartbreak for him.... 😢
I like the deck. Thank you for the deck highlight and the gameplay. The weakness IMO is when the stage 1 evos are in the second half of your deck but at the same time any deck can brick.
Would love to see this deck played in regular queue to demonstrate how you have to play differently when you don't know what's in your opponent's deck.
People don't watch on this platform to learn. Data shows people turn off videos and even unsub from the channel at higher rates when losses are included. If you want organic content best for learning, watch a live stream.
@@BlackViperGX this platform has basically always been like this for the decade I've been on it. Just how humans behave - that's why you see lots of super cuts of decks that are actually terrible saying they are good. I at least do my best to have actual results for things I'm showcasing instead of just posting random queue wins.
Jeff the card game GOAT has done breakdowns of how he earns 6 figures playing games on the internet. He knows exactly what he's doing. If you want to learn, turn the sound on. He's the best TCG teacher on any platform.
I use Starmie EX and Lumi in my Wash Out deck. Blastoise EX is my one of End game Sweeper. I'll say it can be vulnerable to Gust effects, but the High HP pool bolsters me to the point it isn't end of the world territory in most cases.
I cant say that i enjoy the format of knowing your opponents decks ahead of time. It impacts decisions. I never knew the eliets 4 pokemon beforei fought them.
Playing the Pikachu match up more made me realize it's is fine without the Bull. Games you lead on Bull are basically unwinnable and Duck is better against Mewtwo.
You've lamented on stream that highlighting losses results in viewers leaving the video and unsubscribing. Hopefully the last Golem match will be a healthy alternative, holding viewer retention for a dramatic win while also giving an opportunity to talk about improving play lines. That was an epic game, it was fun to catch it live on stream!
That would be a card similar to celebi where there is no ceiling? Maybe something more creative like heal for as much blue energy tacked on.. Jan 29, be tomorrow already
Sometimes it's Gardevoir that carries the game in a Mewtwo deck. Have an energy on her to threaten and pivot her around the board. It's real fun having 2 gardevoirs going back and forth on bench and active with mew. I usually do this when it's a Mewtwo mirror and the opponent is banking on mew genome hacking Mewtwo.
I played a 50-turn game against juggling Gardevoirs when I was trying out a goofy Mr. Mime deck. It was very long but fun and I wound up wearing them down just before turns maxed out
Still farming for a second Starmie 😭 But this reminds me of my Pidgeot (non-EX) / Greninja deck I've played from the very start. I know double stage 2s is scary, but I _very_ consistently get at least two of them simultaneously active fairly early game and so many fun plays come from it. Definitely takes some skill to navigate, but when you can hit the entire board for 20 and have infinite Sabrinas it feels unstoppable, especially with the flexibility of extremely low attack and retreat costs. I tried to spruce it up with Mythical Island cards (i.e. Druddigon, Chatot, Pidgeot EX, Pokeflute, etc) but it seems to run best with my original lineup, with Farfetch'd as the 5th basic to deal early damage.
I was playing this for a while without leek duck, absolutely loved the bounce between the two water Pokémon. I see the value in farfetch'd I just wish it wasn't weak too electric so you could have a better matchup against Pikachu. I really wish those colorless energy non colorless cards like Meinshao were usable
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game. You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
Been trying out the deck but having no luck in my matchups. It feels like my opponent can math out the damage in the back and easily counterplay as soon as they see lumineon which needs 2-3 turns to set up. Makes me miss my exeggutor ex which makes people gamble if they're gonna get the 80 damage or not.
Starmie EX is basically the only meta relevant card I don't have yet, kinda sucks as I want to try a water deck. Still pulling Charizard packs hoping to snag them lol
42:00 this game is so funny. He goes on about how you should learn to play better instead of blaming the game. And then the opponent just loses with no fault of his own despite hoo admitting to several mistakes. Bad time to make that point I guess. 😅
All serious tournaments are open decklist across most top card games. If you need it explained you probably need to stay away from competitive card games.
@@shadearca "If you need it explained you probably need to stay away from competitive card games" okay nerd go stack some paper, why are you gatekeeping lmao
@@wheatleyworks7785 I am not gatekeeping at all, but this is a question that pops up in the first 2 months of every card game that has ever come out. It has been explained myriads of times and anyone interested can easily find the answer within 20 secs if they have internet access.
@@paulbeeman626 completely disagree. It is far more strategic and skill testing to play with open lists. Blowing people out with random cards isn't remotely "strategic"
@ agree to disagree. I just find if boring when you start out saying, I know he doesn't have a red card so I don't have to worry about keeping cards in my hand. It takes out the fun. There is strategy there 100%. Whether I put a red card in my hand or say a Giovanni is a huge difference but knowing that up front takes out the competitiveness. I mise well play it like I'm teaching my son and put all our cards face up.
@@paulbeeman626what are you talking about man, every single competitive collectible card game (MTG, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon etc) has open decklists in their top tournaments including world championships with hundreds of thousands in prizes. But sure they are not very competitive enough for you...
Starmie was the first Full Art card that I opened, and I haven't been able to use her much recently. Great to see Jeff found a Starmie deck that is competitive in tournaments!
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game. You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
Pikachu ex deck often takes two or more turns to start dealing significant damage, which is enough time for Farfetch'd to do some real damage and Starmie ex to get online. Also, one of the typical strengths of the Pika deck is that it can retreat often to deny KO points, which Lumineon can exploit. Matchup is better than it might seem, despite the Weakness.
Starmie is so good on paper, i still feel we havent found its best deck and maybe wont until new cards are added. Misty is definitively hurting the whole water type
@ a lot of water cards are balanced around her, because of this their attacks usually cost more than normal making misty usually a most have card even if its a dead card 50% of the time. Of course when it hits is a free win, which type would not win if given free energy that could let you attack turn one? Which also makes it a super feels bad card for you and your opponent, not matter the outcome
@@user-rj9gk2iv8hwhat are you on about. The top water types have the same cost of attack as their counter parts (Gyarados 4 and is only a first stage, starmie 2 same as Pikachu and ninetales).
@@shadearca gyarados is kept in check by magikarp, starmie is a stage one, ninetaiks has 90 health… now look at lapras, and blastoise ex. And look at how aerodactyl is a good card even if its ability is never used, because of good stats like starmie , but with good supporting cards too like marshadow, primeape and hitmonlee. Starmie is craked on paper, more health than pika, same attack, stage one as aerodactyl, and free retreat, i just think water needs better supports cards to shine
water deck is hard to top deck in tourney, due to massive amount of pikachu and mewtwo decks..except gyarados ex deck which is an exception due to gyarados one shot pretty much every meta card in the game
yea true, its a tough matchup if against a zebra one.. but in some major tourney.. gyarados deck has been in top 4 to winner before.. i rarely see any other water deck before gyarados top before
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game. You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
yeah, but the extra 20 dmg on weakness plays very important roles in decision making.. example lumineon can be 2 shotted just by zapdos peck or blitzle atk, staryu dies in 1 shot with gio, etc.. even dedenne can 2 shot any basic 60 hp water pokemon.. they just need 1 head on coin flip and they basically take 1 point
I love how you reflected on your mistakes for the last golem game. Encouraging viewers to reflect on their moves is always great
Looks like a fun deck with a lot of interesting decisions. So 99% of the player base isn’t going to touch that deck with a 10 foot pole
Painfully accurate. Much harder to execute than slamming people with Mewtwo or Gyarados.
LOL, club beats brain, yeah the average player just wants to smash, and not worry about interesting decisions they can make.
"Most top 8s without a win" the meme lives!
This deck is so much fun, Lumineon having no retreat cost along side Starmie gets those tempo happy brain chemicals flowing.
The debate for 2 Ducks vs 2 Sabrinas you had on stream is so interesting to me, because of the matchup table of this deck being so vast. Glad you settled with 2 ducks, really is the best choice having the 6th basic.
tried this. So fun retreating and weaving between starmie lumi and farfetched.
Got 9-1 in tcg queue, lost to a mewtwo with perfect gardevoir curve t-t
This deck list is super fun.
I've tried it but with some changes as i don't have 2nd Misty so i placed 2nd Sabrina instead. I've also replaced X-speed for a Potion as X-speed seems to be only useful if we get it early on and don't have our evolutions, while potion can fix the 20 damage you may have received any time. Both cards have their uses i just felt like x-speed is pointless later on and i kinda didn't like that. Misty is also nice early on for potential surprise hit but Sabrina can be crucial if all you have are lumineons and can't hit active pokemon, so... overall the changes i made felt good enough to make this deck list still work well.
I always look at the decks you make, play them for 5 games, and then watch your full video, I feel it getms a more rounded insight into the deck itself.
Enjoying the deck so far, a little bit more fragile than I am used to, but I think I am getting the grasp of maneuvering the stage 1s around
Exodia in duck form in that first round, you love to see it
21:30 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't have using the Starmie on the Mew and then energy on the Lumineon have been lethal? Is there an opponent's out that he's playing around that I'm not considering?
That's a good line. Looks better than what I did.
This is now my favourite deck! I used to play it without Misty cause I didn't like the Misty RNG but it feels good in this deck since most of the time you just want her to hit 1 heads rather than multiple like in Blastoise or Gyarados decks. Love your Pokemon Pocket content and regularly try out your decks. Thanks!
Looks like a good deck, but sadly Starmie is the Ex that still eludes me. Hoping that when trading arrives I can fix this as I have more than 2 of most other Exs.
Same 😅 starmie and exeggutor won't grace my account
Watched the stream and have been playing around with this deck for the last week, thanks for highlighting it! I’m not sure if you’ve tried this variation or not, but I ended up dropping the second duck and adding a single pokeflute for another win condition after watching you play Victreebel. It really only makes a difference later in matches but it helps pick up an easy last prize point if your opponent manages to keep pace.
Man.... I saw that 2 mistake a mile a way and screamed.... Never ever underestimate how Brock Ramps insanely fast with that God draw...
Losing due to the 2nd Misty bail out and not drawing his only Gio made my heartbreak for him.... 😢
The CLAP* Heard on that very first match you showed in your video was heard around the world. GG
I like the deck. Thank you for the deck highlight and the gameplay. The weakness IMO is when the stage 1 evos are in the second half of your deck but at the same time any deck can brick.
Would love to see this deck played in regular queue to demonstrate how you have to play differently when you don't know what's in your opponent's deck.
Played something similar in normal queue games last week: ua-cam.com/video/GtR2EhkcH2o/v-deo.html
We salute sir farfetched with thr mighty leak slap of doom ❤
That first game was absolutely beautiful
Why do you show only victories? The games you lose are the ones that teach you the most
People don't watch on this platform to learn. Data shows people turn off videos and even unsub from the channel at higher rates when losses are included.
If you want organic content best for learning, watch a live stream.
@@HooglandiaPocketso sad what UA-cam have become, data this, algorithm that.
@@BlackViperGX this platform has basically always been like this for the decade I've been on it. Just how humans behave - that's why you see lots of super cuts of decks that are actually terrible saying they are good.
I at least do my best to have actual results for things I'm showcasing instead of just posting random queue wins.
Not always, sometimes you just lose bc you drew poorly. Nothing to learn from that
Jeff the card game GOAT has done breakdowns of how he earns 6 figures playing games on the internet. He knows exactly what he's doing. If you want to learn, turn the sound on. He's the best TCG teacher on any platform.
I use Starmie EX and Lumi in my Wash Out deck. Blastoise EX is my one of End game Sweeper. I'll say it can be vulnerable to Gust effects, but the High HP pool bolsters me to the point it isn't end of the world territory in most cases.
I cant say that i enjoy the format of knowing your opponents decks ahead of time. It impacts decisions. I never knew the eliets 4 pokemon beforei fought them.
I’ve been enjoying the variant with Tauros over the second Farfetch’d you showcased earlier, what made you change it to a second duck if I may ask?
Playing the Pikachu match up more made me realize it's is fine without the Bull. Games you lead on Bull are basically unwinnable and Duck is better against Mewtwo.
@HooglandiaPocket great, thanks for explaining! I liked the bull, but I definitely see your point, it can slow down what's mostly a fast set up deck
Misty as a way to over come first energy advantage is interesting way to think about the supporter
By far the most fun deck you can play. It's so flexible which adds to its fun. Been a favorite deck of mine for a while.
You've lamented on stream that highlighting losses results in viewers leaving the video and unsubscribing. Hopefully the last Golem match will be a healthy alternative, holding viewer retention for a dramatic win while also giving an opportunity to talk about improving play lines.
That was an epic game, it was fun to catch it live on stream!
Love the vids brother! Is there anyplace we can watch the whole vod from the tournaments?
You can check the live tab on this channel for past live streams. All the weekday events I play in are on stream.
new week, new deck from master jeff
Nice deck! I hope with the new boosters there will be a brew of yours which includes Vaporeon to its full potential ;)
That would be a card similar to celebi where there is no ceiling?
Maybe something more creative like heal for as much blue energy tacked on.. Jan 29, be tomorrow already
Sometimes it's Gardevoir that carries the game in a Mewtwo deck. Have an energy on her to threaten and pivot her around the board.
It's real fun having 2 gardevoirs going back and forth on bench and active with mew. I usually do this when it's a Mewtwo mirror and the opponent is banking on mew genome hacking Mewtwo.
I played a 50-turn game against juggling Gardevoirs when I was trying out a goofy Mr. Mime deck. It was very long but fun and I wound up wearing them down just before turns maxed out
This deck reminds me of hitmonlee and machamp the way u weaken the back line and then bring a bigger attacker in the finish em off in 1 more hit
I enjoy the math of the deck. 50 + 90 + a gio = mewtwo
Still farming for a second Starmie 😭 But this reminds me of my Pidgeot (non-EX) / Greninja deck I've played from the very start. I know double stage 2s is scary, but I _very_ consistently get at least two of them simultaneously active fairly early game and so many fun plays come from it. Definitely takes some skill to navigate, but when you can hit the entire board for 20 and have infinite Sabrinas it feels unstoppable, especially with the flexibility of extremely low attack and retreat costs. I tried to spruce it up with Mythical Island cards (i.e. Druddigon, Chatot, Pidgeot EX, Pokeflute, etc) but it seems to run best with my original lineup, with Farfetch'd as the 5th basic to deal early damage.
I was playing this for a while without leek duck, absolutely loved the bounce between the two water Pokémon. I see the value in farfetch'd I just wish it wasn't weak too electric so you could have a better matchup against Pikachu.
I really wish those colorless energy non colorless cards like Meinshao were usable
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game.
You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
What do you think will be the most consistent deck to get the 5 straight wins in the next event
Probably Pikachu. Your bad match ups are winnable and you dunk Gyarados.
This may be a dumb question, but how do you know which cards and how many your opponent has before they play them?
Tournament Rounds are generally open deck list.
My deck has no pathetic cards, Kaiba. But it does have FARFETCH'D! THE ON-CURVE ONE!
I would love to play a Starmie EX deck, IF I HAD TWO!
Been trying out the deck but having no luck in my matchups. It feels like my opponent can math out the damage in the back and easily counterplay as soon as they see lumineon which needs 2-3 turns to set up. Makes me miss my exeggutor ex which makes people gamble if they're gonna get the 80 damage or not.
Starmie EX is basically the only meta relevant card I don't have yet, kinda sucks as I want to try a water deck. Still pulling Charizard packs hoping to snag them lol
42:00 this game is so funny.
He goes on about how you should learn to play better instead of blaming the game. And then the opponent just loses with no fault of his own despite hoo admitting to several mistakes. Bad time to make that point I guess. 😅
Finally got my 2nd starmie been trying this out the lumineon is so strong
Can’t wait for trading so that I can give this deck a shot, it looks quite fun
Like it. Will give this a crack.
How do you know what the oppenent has? Calling out they have two Sabrina etc?
Tournaments are open deck lists.
Love this deck ❤
Why is it open decklist?
All serious tournaments are open decklist across most top card games. If you need it explained you probably need to stay away from competitive card games.
Because open decklist is more skill testing.
@@shadearca "If you need it explained you probably need to stay away from competitive card games" okay nerd go stack some paper, why are you gatekeeping lmao
@@wheatleyworks7785 I am not gatekeeping at all, but this is a question that pops up in the first 2 months of every card game that has ever come out. It has been explained myriads of times and anyone interested can easily find the answer within 20 secs if they have internet access.
@@shadearca gatekeeping fucking pokemon pocket point and laugh
This is probably a dumb question, but how do you know what cards they have in their hand? Unless you had played them previously...
These are matches from a tournament and tournaments are open deck list for both players.
@HooglandiaPocket ah, okay.....that is a weird setup cause it takes out part of strategy.
@@paulbeeman626 completely disagree. It is far more strategic and skill testing to play with open lists. Blowing people out with random cards isn't remotely "strategic"
@ agree to disagree. I just find if boring when you start out saying, I know he doesn't have a red card so I don't have to worry about keeping cards in my hand. It takes out the fun. There is strategy there 100%. Whether I put a red card in my hand or say a Giovanni is a huge difference but knowing that up front takes out the competitiveness. I mise well play it like I'm teaching my son and put all our cards face up.
@@paulbeeman626what are you talking about man, every single competitive collectible card game (MTG, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokémon etc) has open decklists in their top tournaments including world championships with hundreds of thousands in prizes. But sure they are not very competitive enough for you...
He finally pronounces Lumineon correctly! Huzzah!
how are you playing on pc? i heard emulators dont work
Setup video here ua-cam.com/video/FcJI81lghP4/v-deo.html
@@HooglandiaPocket i swear to god, i searched this before.
your video never came up in my search algo. thanks a lot
@@muhammad_zaman1990 no worries, youtube doesn't really promote my content unfortunately.
Nice! I played in that one too
Awesome deck 🤩
I saw a guy running pokeflute on this deck today and he won because of it hahah
I still havent got a second Starmie 😭
Starmie was the first Full Art card that I opened, and I haven't been able to use her much recently. Great to see Jeff found a Starmie deck that is competitive in tournaments!
Sorry Jeff but I AM playing this deck for a while now 🤔 😎
This deck's only weakness is pika decks?
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game.
You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
Pikachu ex deck often takes two or more turns to start dealing significant damage, which is enough time for Farfetch'd to do some real damage and Starmie ex to get online. Also, one of the typical strengths of the Pika deck is that it can retreat often to deny KO points, which Lumineon can exploit. Matchup is better than it might seem, despite the Weakness.
Starmie is so good on paper, i still feel we havent found its best deck and maybe wont until new cards are added.
Misty is definitively hurting the whole water type
why is it hurting the water type?
@ a lot of water cards are balanced around her, because of this their attacks usually cost more than normal making misty usually a most have card even if its a dead card 50% of the time. Of course when it hits is a free win, which type would not win if given free energy that could let you attack turn one? Which also makes it a super feels bad card for you and your opponent, not matter the outcome
@ yea ehh, I think they should balance it a little esp w articuno
@@user-rj9gk2iv8hwhat are you on about. The top water types have the same cost of attack as their counter parts (Gyarados 4 and is only a first stage, starmie 2 same as Pikachu and ninetales).
@@shadearca gyarados is kept in check by magikarp, starmie is a stage one, ninetaiks has 90 health… now look at lapras, and blastoise ex.
And look at how aerodactyl is a good card even if its ability is never used, because of good stats like starmie , but with good supporting cards too like marshadow, primeape and hitmonlee.
Starmie is craked on paper, more health than pika, same attack, stage one as aerodactyl, and free retreat, i just think water needs better supports cards to shine
Pikachu is definitely a bad match up
How many times have you played it? Because I'd wager I've played it more and I very much disagree.
I literally think startmi is the best pokemon
water deck is hard to top deck in tourney, due to massive amount of pikachu and mewtwo decks..except gyarados ex deck which is an exception due to gyarados one shot pretty much every meta card in the game
Gyarados literally gets farmed by Pikachu. Someone was looking at the tournament stats and Pikachu had almost 80% winrate vs Gyarados
yea true, its a tough matchup if against a zebra one.. but in some major tourney.. gyarados deck has been in top 4 to winner before.. i rarely see any other water deck before gyarados top before
I think people are way too reductionist about weakness in this game. I'm 3-2 against Pikachu in BO3 tournament matches in the last week with this deck. The match up is incredibly close like a lot in a well balanced game.
You need to not just see weakness = bad, and actually learn how match ups play out.
yeah, but the extra 20 dmg on weakness plays very important roles in decision making.. example lumineon can be 2 shotted just by zapdos peck or blitzle atk, staryu dies in 1 shot with gio, etc.. even dedenne can 2 shot any basic 60 hp water pokemon.. they just need 1 head on coin flip and they basically take 1 point