@@danielsher5439 I like the subtlety of how where Gregson faces away while bathed in the yellow light, it represents how where he should be in blue but he's actually bathed under Mael's influence of yellow light. You can also see Gorey face away while bathed in blue light because she's supposed to be part of Mael's influence but looks away from her mom because of their opposite viewpoints
Even better foreshadowing, Stronghart standing with his arms out over his pawns: Courtney Sithe, John Wilson, Seishiro Jigoku, Genshin Asogi, and Klint van Zieks.
@@Khalengen Barok also being mostly in blue light with a bit of yellow at his back representing being a subordinate of Hart, while still having strong sense of justice. His disciple is the other way around, representing how much he has been deceived, yet have a small hope to see the truth (with the location of the blue light a foreshadowing).
I love Stronghart as a villain because it shows what both Barok and Kazuma COULD HAVE become. Both were relentless in their pursuit of the truth, and easily could have ended up pursuing the same path as Mael. Hell, Kazuma almost killed Gregson because of his pursuit of "justice".
And I love the fact how much he will benefit from it It really didn’t matter to him the outcome of this trial since he already took care of what would have risked exposing him… And the fact that he used kazuma own hatred towards barok… He really is one of Ace Attorney most ‘powerful’ villeins
It seems as though Kazuma would have converted to the next reaper of the bailey if he kept going down the path of revenge, I've no doubt Mael was ready to adapt Kazuma's story to that of the cursed prosecutor and use him to continue the reaper's legacy.
I'd say Barok would never kill someone (10 years, still hates Japanese and criminals but never committed murder), but Kazuma was way too close to killing someone
In terms of literally any Ace Attorney villain, Mael Stronghart (or Hart Vortex in Japan) is perhaps the best villain that we have ever seen in the series. He was the one responsible behind a multitude of cases throughout the two games, and that is just brilliant. He had influence over Jezaille Brett, which led to the first murder case, he was able to control Kazuma into becoming an assassin, which led to Herlock having to claim the accident on the ship was Kazuma's death, and the Kazuma almost killing off Gregson later on when he regains his memories, He sent the letter in Morse code to Jigoku which conspired Magnus McGilded to hire Ashley Graydon to intercept it, resulting in Cases 3 and 5 for the first game, and his influence over Klint van Zieks as a manipulator led to the Professor killings, which would lead to the fake execution of Genshin Asogi to cause distrust between Barok and Kazuma, and even had control over both Courtney Sithe and John Wilson as a means to guarantee Genshin's arrest, and his later deal to allow Genshin to escape, only for Stronghart to have Jigoku kill Genshin, and this act would end up causing ruin to Enoch Drebber's life, which ultimately means that he is the cause for cases 3, 4 and 5 in the second game! Some people might call him "Victorian Damon Gant", but Gant was on a much smaller scale compared to Stronghart's manipulation scheme. He even manages to manipulate the high judiciary by claiming to have used his manipulation of the truth to keep the entire British legal system under control from going back to the last century, when it was all to save his own skin. He really is just an ingenious villain, and that's why Ace Attorney is such a great game for character writing.
"He who fights a monster should see that he does not become one in the process" (DGS1-5) Here we can see the real difference between Barok and his brother (and Vortex) I love how they show both sides
@@PWLfr Ironic how well that line works for both Crogley and Vortex, despite how they are polar opposites. Crogley didn't want to go down the path he ended up in, however in the end he ended up just as bad as Megundal even though it wasn't really his fault. Whereas Vortex (while he had good intentions) ended up just as bad as the people he had ordered to be killed, however Vortex didn't have to get any of them killed. Not to mention he also got the previous Chief Justice killed, despite him not really doing anything wrong.
I feel like the game kind of glosses over the fact that much of the judiciary present cheers Stronghart on AFTER he admits to arranging countless murders. Like, that's a lot of the legal system that agrees with him!
Yeah, but honestly he did have a point as much as I wanted to see him burn. He did threaten them that the legal system in Britain might as well be in chaos afterwards with every judical instance involved killing people where the court failed in his opinion. Basically even the justice system does not follow the system otherwise criminals like McGilded run free. Therefore he sold it as vigilantism and necessary evil for the greater good. Even though at the core he was a power hungry manipulator who destroyed countless lifes Kinda liked how it was not black and white, make it public or hide it longer. Both ways have their issues.
Well, to put it this way, how many fans love Batman/vigilante series? Fans in the real world tend to like those who "fight fire with fire" in fiction and "make themselves into what they hate in order to destroy the evil/darkness." It's understandable that a vigilante type of villain has support if that vigilante does what he does to defend the people/order/reduce crime etc. It's a motivation that makes sense even when you justify such horrible crimes to do it.
remenber the queen saw everything and isnt in favor of it. So the others are fucked regardless as the queen knows that fact and will most likely have some trustworthy people look into that.
You're acting like stronghart would tell his lawyer when that would just make him another person who knows too much and needs to be eliminated.... his lawyer would be freaking out hearing that (as Ryuunosuke did)
I was a little bit distracted by how much the guy reminded me of Damon Gant, but unlike Gant he managed to keep his hands clean while getting Klint van Zieks, Gregson, Brett (granted she was evil to begin with), Jigoku, Sithe, and others to do his dirty work. a master manipulator who even manipulated Barok van Zieks into taking the heat for the "Reaper curse". and all of this wasn't for justice, even though he did an incredible job at making some of the people he manipulated think it was about justice. it was always pure ego. He didn't care about revolutionizing police work through forensic tech for the sake of improving police work, but merely to extend his control. and forensics is just potentially another avenue to railroad people through the system, as we know from other Ace Attorney games. I also love how he's manipulated into unraveling using the crowd of justice system insiders who he wants to impress. it corners him for a long time until he finally reaches a breaking point and is like "oh yeah I could just end this at any time". so of course no less than the bloody Queen has to be his undoing. sucks to live in a monarchy, lol, maybe you should have thought of that buddy.
Finally finished the game and i agree. His actions may have lowered crime rate for a decade, but his breakdown reveals just how egotistical he was. If the remarks of kazuma and ryunosuke didnt hit home, then he wouldnt have freaked out as much as he did. He also wouldn't have cared about losing power so long as his point was made and the idea of forensics was slowly being integrated into law. I mean, Gant was relatively calm once his clapping stopped and accepted his fate.
Gant also straight up murders 2 police officers lol. Stronghart had the common sense to focus on the corrupt first and then kill off anybody who could have potentially betrayed him.
I think you forgot about him citing twelve solid arguments and two hundred and twenty-three individual reasons to support his claim about smaller crime figures if he'd be in power. It seems he truly did care about fighting crime. Even Ryunosuke comments on his passion for forensic science. It's just that his sense of justice was "a bit" jaded. I guess he was a firm believer in "the end justifies the means" if he's willing to commit crimes to get rid of them.
@@dbclass4075 Note: Your perspective may shift such that you experience the world through chibii drawn cutouts in a theatre while the story itself replays on a screen. Also it's Herlock's "Memory Regaining Device", ignore the clear labelling on it ok-
While this is definitely you-know-who's breakdown theme, the main thing I was thinking about while I was playing is how much potential this theme has in the way it parallels the events referenced by the last case. I'm probably reading too much into this lol but it really adds a layer of drama to it: (dgs2 spoilers below) The theme immediately starts with the professor leitmotif- the year is 189-something and there's a killer out there, but there is nothing that can identify them. They kill people, they're known as the professor, and, that's literally it. 0:14, a lone harpsichord chord plays. 0:17, another, and after that, the instrument starts playing, very carefully at first, almost as if scared, and then more and more organized and a lot more confident, but still quieter than the rest to not draw too much attention, but the killer is hiding in plain sight. Needless to say, the harpsichord is a very Van Ziekesque instrument, no? But, 0:47 has a sudden change of pace: the harpsichord completely changes its rhythm, and suddenly goes from being a bit erratic to being very measured but unstable, as it trying to keep its footing. This is also the part where the violin stops being a passive observer who gently supports the melody, and starts matching the patterns of the harpsichord in a way that's, frankly, a bit aggressive. There's some kind of back and forth between the two of them, where they both seem to struggle, in, I guess you could say, a duel. At 1:00, the harpsichord plays its last note. It goes completely quiet after that, and the bell really emphasises it as something 'final'. This also happens to be the part where the violin starts to really shine, and it plays what people point out to be Barok's theme, which is true! This is a leitmotif that appears in Barok's theme. However, due to the instrument playing and the precise moment where it appears, I raise to your consideration that it's actually meant to be Genshin, who, from this point on, will live (and die) with the guilt that should have targeted the Van Zieks family instead. In fact, the note progression of this leitmotif is oddly similar to the one in Samurai with a Mission (though they give off very different impressions because their rhythms are nothing alike). Not sure if that's done on purpose, but Barok and Kazuma tend to share a lot of musical patterns, so I'm gonna hold onto that. One last thing is that this violin only stars for one musical sentence, after which it's replaced by a wind instrument that continues the melody the violin started (and the violin goes in the background for a bit, only to reappear in the foreground for the last few notes). It feels reminiscent of the way Genshin had his chance at a trial, couldn't go anywhere with it, but made sure to secure what he could so that when Ryuunosuke and Kazuma would push for the case to be solved 10 years later, he would indirectly help them to see it through thanks to the last minute evidence he had left inside of Karuma, which sealed the conclusion of this trial for good. TL;DR bro if i squint hard enough this music is a cool metaphor for the whole professor case tbh :-)
This song perfectly blends together the desperation of Ryuunosuke, Kazuma and van Zieks in finding the truth and taking down stronghart, but also the fear of that truth and how hard it is to grasp given the insurmountable odds: but it is also empowering and makes it feel like they can still just about do it if they have enough resolve
Lord Stronghart is a dark reflection of both Naruhodo and Asogi. They each want to change their respective legal systems for the better. But while Stronghart believes it should be done by concealing the truth and reveling in the darkness criminals hold dear, Naruhodo and Asogi believe in revealing the truth and doing the right thing.
@@akiren302 Bro, I beat the game already before making this comment. I know, it just kinda feels like a truth theme. 100% tho, Stronghart’s breakdown is the best. And, it does not only play in his breakdown. It starts to play sometime when he says “There is nothing more we can learn from this three paged woebegone will.” And “It was Jigoku, your Japanese acquaintance, who shot Asogi in the end.”
this song just makes me feel something. idk what emotion, really. something about the jingle in the background, the violin melody, it all comes together so melancholy...
You can compare him to Simon Keyes because he's kind of a puppet master too... but he did NOT get his hands dirty AT ALL. You can't actually catch him, and it takes the freaking QUEEN to strip him off his power. If it wasn't for Holmes slight deus ex machina, he'll never get his punishment.
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF DGS2-5 (FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE THIS IF YOU WISH) "......." "I've fought tirelessly against London's darkness for the past ten years." "For the sake of justice, I fought with every means available to me!"
*im about to write a transcript so becareful of the spoilers.* "Sir Klimt van Zieks wrote a Will, in which he made a full confession. Revealing everything." My blood froze when Genshin told me that. I knew I had to get rid of the will at all costs. However, we couldn't find it after searching his cell... And that was your reason for enacting the prison escape, was it not? Wh-what do you mean? ........ My highest priority was to secure that will... He would've brought Klimt's will with him during the escape... Or so I thought However, the will was nowhere to be found when I searched his body in the cemetery. I never imagined that it was hidden in his katana... There is only one thing I'm disheartened by. That my brother left this world without leaving a single word for me... Sir van Zieks... From what I can see... You are wrong about that. Huh? How so? "As the end of my life approaches, I write regrets I bear for my younger brother. You have followed my example, having just taken your first steps on the path of a prosecutor.... I pray with all my heart that my actions will not close to you. I do not ask for your understanding. I only ask for your forgiveness." ..Asougi was an excellent detective, and an honorable hunter The first is to leave behind this will, And the second, i cannot pen down here.
The crazy thing about stronghart is when I first saw him I thought oh he’s going to be like a fun uncle type but as the game kept progressing he just kept getting more and more ominous his mannerisms, his ambitions he kept mentioning, his presence so when It was clarified yes he is bad I felt so validated and terrified due to this man’s power beating him was so worth it
Technically it is a piece of Asogi's theme, given that Asogi's theme has a piece of the Professor's theme in his, and the professor was thought to be his own father.
SPOILERS I called it when I first saw this bastard. Hart Vortex reminded me so much of Damon Gant, right from the motive. A position of power where he can escape from his crimes and be untouchable. By being Lord Chancellor, no one would oppose him. He used everyone and caused chaos in London for 10 years, and all for what? To fuel his own ego and ruin people's lives? The man was a sociopath truly fitting the true title of The Professor. It was so satisfying seeing this bastard fall. The best villain of these games with the best Breakdown. 100% guilty that the entirety of London turned on him, even the Queen. Jigoku, Klimpt van Zieks, Genshin Asougi and many more lives he ruined. Yeah, he's getting the death penalty, big time.
Remember he did *nothing wrong* personally. Apart for the Queen, most of the legal system was ready to support him and judged his actions as legitimate. He got demoted but I don't think he was given the death penalty
@@usermcskull4713 Well, he never stated anything about Jigoku betraying him. All you missed was the easy to overlook but crucial Punctuation. "[...] Queen. Jigoku, [...]"
@@PWLfr How could Stronghart only get demoted? He has killed and coerced like 1,000 people. If I were the queen, I would just kill that guy. But, I kinda liked him as a character until Gregson’s life got taken by him. His first breakdown is also like Damon Gant’s.
@@PWLfr The queen literally states he will be REVOKED of his position and prosecuted for his crimes in a public trial. And coercing hundreds of people and being the mastermind behind Britains worst serial killer is gonna get you the death penalty.
Beneath the gateway to the truth i have prepared the most hideous hound of all. Once someone opens the gate, it will be slaughtered by the beast. And soon after, people will forget and fear the truth, the hound will be gatekeeping this until the dawn of the new world and the fall of its myth, dying of starvation. These are necessary measures that I must take on behalf of this country and its progress.
Best "villain". I know what he did was evil but it was due to that that London's crimes decrease. He truly believed what he did was for the best of the country. They were criminals who escaped by bribery and so. The true "end justifies the means" instead of a certain someone in AA5
No he didnt, its was just an easy ploy for him to manipulate everything, the whole point of Stronghart was to have utter control of everything. The rest was just an excuse
@@ManoloRibera070 They aren't mutually exclusive. Stronghart wanted absolute control of Great Britain's legal system so he'd have the complete power to achieve justice by any means neccesary. It wasn't simply power for power's sake. His whole trip into the darkness started because he saw the previous Lord Chief Justice as too weak against the criminal forces plaguing London. It won't change the evil of his actions.
the powerful villains in this series, like gant, alba and vortex himself, have had a bigger impact on me than the likes of the mastermind in AAI2. as impressive as keyes is, I think a big part of his success in avoiding the law is the fact that his involvement in the murders and everything remains hidden, and tries his damnedest to refute every claim until the end. vortex actually owns up to being the culprit, and actually would have walked away unscathed if it weren't for the silly hologram business that they pulled to wrap up the case. it's kinda scary if you think about it, the fact that they needed to resort to that to bring vortex down
Truth 2017 has a pretty idk kinda sad vibe to it. All I need to say is damn Mael Stronghart! I liked u as a character until he coerced Jigoku and had him murder my favorite character, Inspector Gregson.
One thing about Vortex that I love is how he uses all your arguments against you, you say he didn't do anything? He agrees as him not doing anything makes him innocent. You say he's responsible for thousands of deaths? Well it was a necessary evil and the gallery seems to agree with him.
Well it's not exactly a first in the game. Sure, Shamspeare and Drebber go the usual "no evidence" route, but Sithe and Jigoku both wanted to end the trial so as to not get charged with something more serious.
My head canon is the end of this game is why Germany is one of the best places to become a lawyer in this world because with out a chief Justice they had to find and train a new one which would take many years as well this game takes place at the beginning of 20th meaning the first world war would take place 14 years later and France could easily be taken out by Germany and Austrai hungry or world war 1 doesn't take place. Germany would still be the world super power.
And one more thing: this case made it clear to Japanese legislators that English law was not as good as German law, which is why the core of Japanese law today is essentially base on German law.
Stronghart: Everything I did was for the betterment of our society, even the jury has voiced their full support of my deeds. Ryunosuke: This has got to be the absolute worst judicial system. *A few years later* Susato: So the trial is set to being. Ryunosuke: ... We were just informed my client received a guilty verdict. Susato: But we have evidence, testimony and a conclusive motive that proves that the supposed witness is a serial killer and he still hasn't cleaned the bloodstains of the victims. We need the trial to begin or- Ryunosuke: ... We're in America ... and he's caucasian. Susato: A fair point, this was a momentous waste of time.
During the 5th case about 4 or 5 times playing for talking about the Truth of Professor Killings acting somewhat like a Telling the Truth theme but not completely
''You claim to have done all of these crimes for the people, but tell me what have you really done?'' ''All of these deaths were caused by your assassins, you didn't do anything!''
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Man in hindsight seeing Gregson facing away from the rest of the main casts gaze really does great foreshadowing.
You can't see the full thing in the video, but the golden light represents Strongharts influence, while the blue light represents Justice.
@@danielsher5439 I like the subtlety of how where Gregson faces away while bathed in the yellow light, it represents how where he should be in blue but he's actually bathed under Mael's influence of yellow light. You can also see Gorey face away while bathed in blue light because she's supposed to be part of Mael's influence but looks away from her mom because of their opposite viewpoints
Even better foreshadowing, Stronghart standing with his arms out over his pawns: Courtney Sithe, John Wilson, Seishiro Jigoku, Genshin Asogi, and Klint van Zieks.
10/10 art direction.
@@Khalengen Barok also being mostly in blue light with a bit of yellow at his back representing being a subordinate of Hart, while still having strong sense of justice. His disciple is the other way around, representing how much he has been deceived, yet have a small hope to see the truth (with the location of the blue light a foreshadowing).
I love Stronghart as a villain because it shows what both Barok and Kazuma COULD HAVE become. Both were relentless in their pursuit of the truth, and easily could have ended up pursuing the same path as Mael. Hell, Kazuma almost killed Gregson because of his pursuit of "justice".
And I love the fact how much he will benefit from it
It really didn’t matter to him the outcome of this trial since he already took care of what would have risked exposing him…
And the fact that he used kazuma own hatred towards barok…
He really is one of Ace Attorney most ‘powerful’ villeins
It seems as though Kazuma would have converted to the next reaper of the bailey if he kept going down the path of revenge, I've no doubt Mael was ready to adapt Kazuma's story to that of the cursed prosecutor and use him to continue the reaper's legacy.
I'd say Barok would never kill someone (10 years, still hates Japanese and criminals but never committed murder), but Kazuma was way too close to killing someone
As Barok put it in the first game: "He who chases monsters, should see to it that he does not become one himself"
In terms of literally any Ace Attorney villain, Mael Stronghart (or Hart Vortex in Japan) is perhaps the best villain that we have ever seen in the series.
He was the one responsible behind a multitude of cases throughout the two games, and that is just brilliant. He had influence over Jezaille Brett, which led to the first murder case, he was able to control Kazuma into becoming an assassin, which led to Herlock having to claim the accident on the ship was Kazuma's death, and the Kazuma almost killing off Gregson later on when he regains his memories, He sent the letter in Morse code to Jigoku which conspired Magnus McGilded to hire Ashley Graydon to intercept it, resulting in Cases 3 and 5 for the first game, and his influence over Klint van Zieks as a manipulator led to the Professor killings, which would lead to the fake execution of Genshin Asogi to cause distrust between Barok and Kazuma, and even had control over both Courtney Sithe and John Wilson as a means to guarantee Genshin's arrest, and his later deal to allow Genshin to escape, only for Stronghart to have Jigoku kill Genshin, and this act would end up causing ruin to Enoch Drebber's life, which ultimately means that he is the cause for cases 3, 4 and 5 in the second game!
Some people might call him "Victorian Damon Gant", but Gant was on a much smaller scale compared to Stronghart's manipulation scheme. He even manages to manipulate the high judiciary by claiming to have used his manipulation of the truth to keep the entire British legal system under control from going back to the last century, when it was all to save his own skin. He really is just an ingenious villain, and that's why Ace Attorney is such a great game for character writing.
I would say the mastermind of AAI2 to be better than Stronghart but he's right up there tbh
It was morse code, not braille lmao
@@dhans9662 Alright, let me fix that.
@@davepanpa5787 Sorry to act all nitpicky lol
@@dhans9662 It's the internet. I expect this most the time, so it doesn't bother me.
To destroy darkness, one has to become an even greater darkness.
Aster, son of D I O Well said my friend. It really matches to the goal of the main villain
"To destroy the darkness, we need more darkness."
Okay Xehanort.
"He who fights a monster should see that he does not become one in the process"
(DGS1-5)
Here we can see the real difference between Barok and his brother (and Vortex) I love how they show both sides
@@PWLfr Ironic how well that line works for both Crogley and Vortex, despite how they are polar opposites.
Crogley didn't want to go down the path he ended up in, however in the end he ended up just as bad as Megundal even though it wasn't really his fault.
Whereas Vortex (while he had good intentions) ended up just as bad as the people he had ordered to be killed, however Vortex didn't have to get any of them killed.
Not to mention he also got the previous Chief Justice killed, despite him not really doing anything wrong.
Ok I believe you
I feel like the game kind of glosses over the fact that much of the judiciary present cheers Stronghart on AFTER he admits to arranging countless murders. Like, that's a lot of the legal system that agrees with him!
Yeah, but honestly he did have a point as much as I wanted to see him burn. He did threaten them that the legal system in Britain might as well be in chaos afterwards with every judical instance involved killing people where the court failed in his opinion.
Basically even the justice system does not follow the system otherwise criminals like McGilded run free.
Therefore he sold it as vigilantism and necessary evil for the greater good. Even though at the core he was a power hungry manipulator who destroyed countless lifes
Kinda liked how it was not black and white, make it public or hide it longer. Both ways have their issues.
Well, to put it this way, how many fans love Batman/vigilante series? Fans in the real world tend to like those who "fight fire with fire" in fiction and "make themselves into what they hate in order to destroy the evil/darkness." It's understandable that a vigilante type of villain has support if that vigilante does what he does to defend the people/order/reduce crime etc. It's a motivation that makes sense even when you justify such horrible crimes to do it.
remenber the queen saw everything and isnt in favor of it. So the others are fucked regardless as the queen knows that fact and will most likely have some trustworthy people look into that.
yeah that was kinda weird
Sounds like a great setup for a sequel hm *hint hint* TGA Investigations *hint hint*
"And the three-paged last will and testament, penned in black ink." If Stronghart had a lawyer here, he'd be saying "Lord Stronghart ... SHUT UP NOW."
You're acting like stronghart would tell his lawyer when that would just make him another person who knows too much and needs to be eliminated.... his lawyer would be freaking out hearing that (as Ryuunosuke did)
@@JB-pk8gd Heh. Damned right. Dude thought he was untouchable.
"Lord Klint Van Zieks left a will in which he confessed to everything."
I was a little bit distracted by how much the guy reminded me of Damon Gant, but unlike Gant he managed to keep his hands clean while getting Klint van Zieks, Gregson, Brett (granted she was evil to begin with), Jigoku, Sithe, and others to do his dirty work. a master manipulator who even manipulated Barok van Zieks into taking the heat for the "Reaper curse". and all of this wasn't for justice, even though he did an incredible job at making some of the people he manipulated think it was about justice. it was always pure ego. He didn't care about revolutionizing police work through forensic tech for the sake of improving police work, but merely to extend his control. and forensics is just potentially another avenue to railroad people through the system, as we know from other Ace Attorney games.
I also love how he's manipulated into unraveling using the crowd of justice system insiders who he wants to impress. it corners him for a long time until he finally reaches a breaking point and is like "oh yeah I could just end this at any time". so of course no less than the bloody Queen has to be his undoing. sucks to live in a monarchy, lol, maybe you should have thought of that buddy.
Finally finished the game and i agree. His actions may have lowered crime rate for a decade, but his breakdown reveals just how egotistical he was. If the remarks of kazuma and ryunosuke didnt hit home, then he wouldnt have freaked out as much as he did. He also wouldn't have cared about losing power so long as his point was made and the idea of forensics was slowly being integrated into law. I mean, Gant was relatively calm once his clapping stopped and accepted his fate.
Gant also straight up murders 2 police officers lol. Stronghart had the common sense to focus on the corrupt first and then kill off anybody who could have potentially betrayed him.
no i think he believed he was actually doing good
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
I think you forgot about him citing twelve solid arguments and two hundred and twenty-three individual reasons to support his claim about smaller crime figures if he'd be in power. It seems he truly did care about fighting crime. Even Ryunosuke comments on his passion for forensic science. It's just that his sense of justice was "a bit" jaded. I guess he was a firm believer in "the end justifies the means" if he's willing to commit crimes to get rid of them.
WHY DID I HAVE TO FINISH THIS GAME
Try a fire extinguisher, if wanting a fresh experience.
@@dbclass4075 Note: Your perspective may shift such that you experience the world through chibii drawn cutouts in a theatre while the story itself replays on a screen.
Also it's Herlock's "Memory Regaining Device", ignore the clear labelling on it ok-
While this is definitely you-know-who's breakdown theme, the main thing I was thinking about while I was playing is how much potential this theme has in the way it parallels the events referenced by the last case. I'm probably reading too much into this lol but it really adds a layer of drama to it:
(dgs2 spoilers below)
The theme immediately starts with the professor leitmotif- the year is 189-something and there's a killer out there, but there is nothing that can identify them. They kill people, they're known as the professor, and, that's literally it.
0:14, a lone harpsichord chord plays. 0:17, another, and after that, the instrument starts playing, very carefully at first, almost as if scared, and then more and more organized and a lot more confident, but still quieter than the rest to not draw too much attention, but the killer is hiding in plain sight. Needless to say, the harpsichord is a very Van Ziekesque instrument, no?
But, 0:47 has a sudden change of pace: the harpsichord completely changes its rhythm, and suddenly goes from being a bit erratic to being very measured but unstable, as it trying to keep its footing. This is also the part where the violin stops being a passive observer who gently supports the melody, and starts matching the patterns of the harpsichord in a way that's, frankly, a bit aggressive. There's some kind of back and forth between the two of them, where they both seem to struggle, in, I guess you could say, a duel.
At 1:00, the harpsichord plays its last note. It goes completely quiet after that, and the bell really emphasises it as something 'final'.
This also happens to be the part where the violin starts to really shine, and it plays what people point out to be Barok's theme, which is true! This is a leitmotif that appears in Barok's theme. However, due to the instrument playing and the precise moment where it appears, I raise to your consideration that it's actually meant to be Genshin, who, from this point on, will live (and die) with the guilt that should have targeted the Van Zieks family instead. In fact, the note progression of this leitmotif is oddly similar to the one in Samurai with a Mission (though they give off very different impressions because their rhythms are nothing alike). Not sure if that's done on purpose, but Barok and Kazuma tend to share a lot of musical patterns, so I'm gonna hold onto that.
One last thing is that this violin only stars for one musical sentence, after which it's replaced by a wind instrument that continues the melody the violin started (and the violin goes in the background for a bit, only to reappear in the foreground for the last few notes). It feels reminiscent of the way Genshin had his chance at a trial, couldn't go anywhere with it, but made sure to secure what he could so that when Ryuunosuke and Kazuma would push for the case to be solved 10 years later, he would indirectly help them to see it through thanks to the last minute evidence he had left inside of Karuma, which sealed the conclusion of this trial for good.
TL;DR bro if i squint hard enough this music is a cool metaphor for the whole professor case tbh :-)
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Just as perceptive as Holmes himself, I see...
To quote Apollo Justice, "There's such a thing as thinking too much..."
Hey wait a minute, you're that person who made all those musescore covers. Absolutely love them 🙏
@@dhans9662 Oh! Fancy seeing you here then, and thank you, because it means a lot that they stuck with you like that 😳
Squint your ears it seems, but a very good analysis!
This song perfectly blends together the desperation of Ryuunosuke, Kazuma and van Zieks in finding the truth and taking down stronghart, but also the fear of that truth and how hard it is to grasp given the insurmountable odds: but it is also empowering and makes it feel like they can still just about do it if they have enough resolve
Lord Stronghart is a dark reflection of both Naruhodo and Asogi.
They each want to change their respective legal systems for the better.
But while Stronghart believes it should be done by concealing the truth and reveling in the darkness criminals hold dear, Naruhodo and Asogi believe in revealing the truth and doing the right thing.
Honestly..?
This is my favourite song to come out of this series. Ever.
Truth2017 is your favorite song? Tbh, I like all of the soundtracks so I can’t really choose.
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa8887 This isn't a truth theme.
SPOILERS
It's Mael Stronghart's final breakdown theme
@@akiren302 Bro, I beat the game already before making this comment. I know, it just kinda feels like a truth theme. 100% tho, Stronghart’s breakdown is the best. And, it does not only play in his breakdown. It starts to play sometime when he says “There is nothing more we can learn from this three paged woebegone will.” And “It was Jigoku, your Japanese acquaintance, who shot Asogi in the end.”
this song just makes me feel something. idk what emotion, really. something about the jingle in the background, the violin melody, it all comes together so melancholy...
Everything is coming together. This is the conclusion. The Truth. What you are feeling is finality.
This has been stuck in my head for a month now.
Edit: Eight months.
Edit 2: Three years.
everybody rise up for the national anthem of the best aa villain
I absolutely love this manipulative bastard.
He's not Simon Keyes...but he's pretty dang close
You can compare him to Simon Keyes because he's kind of a puppet master too... but he did NOT get his hands dirty AT ALL. You can't actually catch him, and it takes the freaking QUEEN to strip him off his power.
If it wasn't for Holmes slight deus ex machina, he'll never get his punishment.
@@lyonvensa to be fair, aside from killing the Body Double Simon didn't get his hands dirty at all
@@usermcskull4713 Yeah, very true.
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF DGS2-5 (FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE THIS IF YOU WISH)
"......."
"I've fought tirelessly against London's darkness for the past ten years."
"For the sake of justice, I fought with every means available to me!"
- Lord Chief Injustice -
- Lord Chief Injustice -
@@MarioSmashLink Bobby Fulbright is declaring war. Big time.
They didn’t need to cook so hard with this soundtrack, but they did. Wonderful music
why would someone dislike this
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
i really wouldn't know it's a masterpiece
Because to destroy dislikes, one has to become an even greater dislike.
@@TheBohobemeister I just realized how well this quote applies to Vortex, considering his breakdown
vortex himself did
This is the reminiscence theme after the big bad's breakdown.
No, this is the announce the truth theme after the big bad breakdown, in my opinion NEways.
this really has an "...it's over..." feeling
hearing this theme at the end of the trial when stronghart was covered in soot made me go “woah…. This game is fucking amazing”
burning by goddess' scale
*angry Courtney noises*
@@PWLfr Justine Courtney or Courtney Sithe?
@@letranger8497 Justine
@@letranger8497
It's definitely Justine, she's a judge after all.
I love how you can hear kazuma's theme in this
*im about to write a transcript so becareful of the spoilers.*
"Sir Klimt van Zieks wrote a Will, in which he made a full confession. Revealing everything."
My blood froze when Genshin told me that.
I knew I had to get rid of the will at all costs.
However, we couldn't find it after searching his cell...
And that was your reason for enacting the prison escape, was it not?
Wh-what do you mean?
........
My highest priority was to secure that will...
He would've brought Klimt's will with him during the escape... Or so I thought
However, the will was nowhere to be found when I searched his body in the cemetery.
I never imagined that it was hidden in his katana...
There is only one thing I'm disheartened by.
That my brother left this world without leaving a single word for me...
Sir van Zieks...
From what I can see...
You are wrong about that.
Huh?
How so?
"As the end of my life approaches, I write regrets I bear for my younger brother.
You have followed my example, having just taken your first steps on the path of a prosecutor....
I pray with all my heart that my actions will not close to you.
I do not ask for your understanding. I only ask for your forgiveness."
..Asougi was an excellent detective, and an honorable hunter
The first is to leave behind this will, And the second, i cannot pen down here.
I love how Klimt is pleading for Barok's forgiveness
IM CRYING
😔
Klimt
K L I M T… Hold on… wait a minute… something ain’t right!
The crazy thing about stronghart is when I first saw him I thought oh he’s going to be like a fun uncle type but as the game kept progressing he just kept getting more and more ominous his mannerisms, his ambitions he kept mentioning, his presence so when It was clarified yes he is bad I felt so validated and terrified due to this man’s power beating him was so worth it
I only realized this when I heard the 2 songs in tandem, but the beggining of this song has the same melody as the end of the Professor's theme
Also the end of Revived Prosecutor
MAJOR DGS 2 SPOILERS
Can we all just agree that Hart Vortex had the best breakdown of the entire series?
Not the best, the greatest. Literaly and figuratively
There was so much symbolism in it I loved it
The breakdown followed by him at the witness stand covered by soot made it so much better
I especially like the metaphor behind the falling scales.
@@vintprox my dude was quite literally crushed under the weight of his own crimes
Is it just me, or do I hear some bits of Asougi's theme?
That's kind of the point technically
I think it's more the Professor theme.
It's just that both Asogi's prosecutor theme and this song have bits of it.
Technically it is a piece of Asogi's theme, given that Asogi's theme has a piece of the Professor's theme in his, and the professor was thought to be his own father.
@@voidoflight2420 Asogi's theme was Samurai with a mission tho, his prosecutor theme was a mash-up of his theme & Professor's theme.
@@yosumarainesuable Yeah, I think AlphaWho is talking about Asogi's persecutor theme, which is the only bit I can really hear in Mael's theme.
It's a damn wonder that all it took for me to like Damon Gant was an actually GOOD case for him to be the villain of.
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I called it when I first saw this bastard. Hart Vortex reminded me so much of Damon Gant, right from the motive. A position of power where he can escape from his crimes and be untouchable. By being Lord Chancellor, no one would oppose him. He used everyone and caused chaos in London for 10 years, and all for what? To fuel his own ego and ruin people's lives? The man was a sociopath truly fitting the true title of The Professor.
It was so satisfying seeing this bastard fall. The best villain of these games with the best Breakdown. 100% guilty that the entirety of London turned on him, even the Queen. Jigoku, Klimpt van Zieks, Genshin Asougi and many more lives he ruined. Yeah, he's getting the death penalty, big time.
Remember he did *nothing wrong* personally. Apart for the Queen, most of the legal system was ready to support him and judged his actions as legitimate. He got demoted but I don't think he was given the death penalty
Jigoku never turned on him, he never gave away that he worked with Vortex
@@usermcskull4713 Well, he never stated anything about Jigoku betraying him.
All you missed was the easy to overlook but crucial Punctuation. "[...] Queen. Jigoku, [...]"
@@PWLfr How could Stronghart only get demoted? He has killed and coerced like 1,000 people. If I were the queen, I would just kill that guy. But, I kinda liked him as a character until Gregson’s life got taken by him. His first breakdown is also like Damon Gant’s.
@@PWLfr The queen literally states he will be REVOKED of his position and prosecuted for his crimes in a public trial. And coercing hundreds of people and being the mastermind behind Britains worst serial killer is gonna get you the death penalty.
Beneath the gateway to the truth i have prepared the most hideous hound of all.
Once someone opens the gate, it will be slaughtered by the beast. And soon after, people will forget and fear the truth, the hound will be gatekeeping this until the dawn of the new world and the fall of its myth, dying of starvation.
These are necessary measures that I must take on behalf of this country and its progress.
Seeing Lord Vortex/Stronghart's immensely imposing figure now burnt, looking down in shame... you truly feel the outcome was earned
Best breakdown by far
Best "villain". I know what he did was evil but it was due to that that London's crimes decrease. He truly believed what he did was for the best of the country. They were criminals who escaped by bribery and so. The true "end justifies the means" instead of a certain someone in AA5
No he didnt, its was just an easy ploy for him to manipulate everything, the whole point of Stronghart was to have utter control of everything. The rest was just an excuse
@@ManoloRibera070
They aren't mutually exclusive. Stronghart wanted absolute control of Great Britain's legal system so he'd have the complete power to achieve justice by any means neccesary. It wasn't simply power for power's sake. His whole trip into the darkness started because he saw the previous Lord Chief Justice as too weak against the criminal forces plaguing London.
It won't change the evil of his actions.
He did not think it was for justice, bruh.
to me, his rant at the end just sounded like a flimsy excuse
He's still very much a villian, even if he viewed what he did as justice. By your logic, Thanos would be considered an antihero.
Thinking about it this is stronghart’s villain theme
the powerful villains in this series, like gant, alba and vortex himself, have had a bigger impact on me than the likes of the mastermind in AAI2. as impressive as keyes is, I think a big part of his success in avoiding the law is the fact that his involvement in the murders and everything remains hidden, and tries his damnedest to refute every claim until the end. vortex actually owns up to being the culprit, and actually would have walked away unscathed if it weren't for the silly hologram business that they pulled to wrap up the case. it's kinda scary if you think about it, the fact that they needed to resort to that to bring vortex down
Truth 2017 has a pretty idk kinda sad vibe to it. All I need to say is damn Mael Stronghart! I liked u as a character until he coerced Jigoku and had him murder my favorite character, Inspector Gregson.
god susato's neck is long af now that i notice
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This is a great thing you're doing, extending phoenix wright ost. But if i can request something. Is it any trouble doing the first game soundtracks?
Rayfa Padma brawlbrstm did it, tom did it, c2 doesn't need to
I can extend any tracks that aren't already extended
@@anthonykwasigroh9819 Can you do some AAI2 songs? Most songs from that game aren't extended anymore thanks to Brawl's channel going under.
One thing about Vortex that I love is how he uses all your arguments against you, you say he didn't do anything? He agrees as him not doing anything makes him innocent.
You say he's responsible for thousands of deaths? Well it was a necessary evil and the gallery seems to agree with him.
*Stromhart.
Well it's not exactly a first in the game. Sure, Shamspeare and Drebber go the usual "no evidence" route, but Sithe and Jigoku both wanted to end the trial so as to not get charged with something more serious.
@@AB-dm1wz My comment was made long before the localization lol, I had no way of knowing his localized name.
@@usermcskull4713 Yeah, I know, I know, lol.
@@usermcskull4713 Out of curiosity, what WAS his unofficial name? "Vortex" is a LOT different from "Stronghart"
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My head canon is the end of this game is why Germany is one of the best places to become a lawyer in this world because with out a chief Justice they had to find and train a new one which would take many years as well this game takes place at the beginning of 20th meaning the first world war would take place 14 years later and France could easily be taken out by Germany and Austrai hungry or world war 1 doesn't take place. Germany would still be the world super power.
I'm pretty sure this game happens in 1899
@@anthonym9977 my timing may be off so I'll edit the original post to be more accurate.
And one more thing: this case made it clear to Japanese legislators that English law was not as good as German law, which is why the core of Japanese law today is essentially base on German law.
This sounds amazing at 2x speed
What...
It really doesnt lmao
Stronghart: Everything I did was for the betterment of our society, even the jury has voiced their full support of my deeds.
Ryunosuke: This has got to be the absolute worst judicial system.
*A few years later*
Susato: So the trial is set to being.
Ryunosuke: ... We were just informed my client received a guilty verdict.
Susato: But we have evidence, testimony and a conclusive motive that proves that the supposed witness is a serial killer and he still hasn't cleaned the bloodstains of the victims. We need the trial to begin or-
Ryunosuke: ... We're in America ... and he's caucasian.
Susato: A fair point, this was a momentous waste of time.
What?
@@dhans9662 he's trying to make it seem like white people are never found guilty, man's a racist.
@@dhans9662 I would also "What?" this comment.
When does this play?
During the 5th case about 4 or 5 times playing for talking about the Truth of Professor Killings acting somewhat like a Telling the Truth theme but not completely
@@aayushdhurka2425 so it is not really... Hahahaha i can't believe i found u here
@@elsebasvlogs2674 lol ya
It also plays as Vortex explains his crimes in detail after his final breakdown
Pretty sure it's played as you're about to present Klint's will.
objection
''You claim to have done all of these crimes for the people, but tell me what have you really done?''
''All of these deaths were caused by your assassins, you didn't do anything!''
"Indeed, young attorney. It is as you say, I have not done a thing."
"And therefore, I am indicted for 'doing nothing'!"
Reminiscence - The Chief Justice's Crimes
Uh, no. Truth2017
Oh, mine would be “Recollection- The Flames of the Fallen” because well, BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN.
@@pinzokiyama3387 holy shit thats an amazing title